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What is up with the "External links" dumping ground. A section, subsection, and eleven links fertilizing a link farm where three or four would be more than enough! Maybe someone can take a look at trimming or integrating. Otr500 ( talk) 19:58, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
I think we should reconsider whether to have a whole section on Ratcliffe's proposed nomination. Sure, it was newsworthy at the time, but now it's yesterday's news - didn't even really pass the one-week test. And we don't have any detail in this article AT ALL about the nominations of the previous directors. Or in most other articles about cabinet level positions. I think we should reconsider whether this section even belongs here or whether it should be removed as WP:NOTNEWS. -- MelanieN ( talk) 01:54, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
So Ratcliffe is in now I believe. Not entirely sure because my understanding of bureaucracy is sort of poor. Funny that I still use this site given that. Here are some articles.
[1]
[2]
[3]
puggo (
talk)
00:57, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
References
In the lede, "The director of national intelligence (DNI)" should have lowercase "d", "n", and "I" per the closed RfC at
RfC: First mention in the first sentence... (MOS:JOBTITLES). —
Eyer (If you
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21:44, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Eyer: I disagree. That RfC closed with No consensus moreso, this article clearly is used to talk about the entity that is The Director, not just a director. If you disagree, then Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and plethora of others should be changed too. Bulhis899 ( talk) 07:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
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11:05, 4 May 2020 (UTC)Wikipedia uses
MOS:JOBTITLES, not government sources, to determine capitalization. —
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01:19, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Eyer here. And the parallels suggested are not very parallel. "National intelligence" is not the name of an org like "Central Intelligence Agency" and "Joint Chiefs of Staff" are, so those get caps. But "director" only does when attached to a name, like it says at JOBTITLES. Dicklyon ( talk) 03:21, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
The acronym NIP is used twice but is not defined anywhere on the page. It’s first referenced in the lines about the 2013 and 2014 budgets where MIP is also used. It’s hard for me to know whether NIP is a typo of MIP or something else. Christopher.Eagan ( talk) 20:58, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I have added President-elect Biden’s nomination of Avril Haines to the article. But the date of her nomination is a bit ambiguous: Biden’s intention to nominate her first leaked to the press on Saturday, November 21, was confirmed by multiple sources on November 22, was confirmed by the transition office on November 23, and formally announced at an event in Wilmington with other national security nominees on Tuesday, November 24.
I have included the November 23 date in the article, given that this is the date when a) the incoming administration confirmed her nomination to the press, and b) the press referred to her as “nominated”, past tense. If there’s a more-correct official date to use, that should be substituted in the article. Informal words like “announced”, “named”, or “presented” could allow the use of the 22nd or 24th, but would mostly just increase the ambiguity in my opinion.
(Addendum: Also, in looking for sources to cite, I only found reputable news articles from Nov 23, using the past tense for “nominated”; it would be rather odd to cite a news source as authoritative when referring to an event that wouldn’t happen until after its publication—even if that event had since occurred.) TreyHarris ( talk) 21:54, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Inappropriate to add Bidens' selections at this time. He is NOT the presidential successor yet, nor is he the president-elect. The president-elect will not be selected by electors PER the Constitution of the United States until Jan 6th
THus this section has been removed. ( Personal attack removed) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.255.168.210 ( talk) 02:13, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
On November 23, 2020, President-elect Joe Biden nominated Avril Haines to assume the office in January 2021. If confirmed, she will become the first woman to hold the position.
As of Date…
annotations everywhere. We don’t do that. We simply use the present tense and, when possible, mention future dates after which we know certain information will become stale.The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 22:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Assistant Deputy Director of National Intelligence for Open Source isn't notable enough for a standalone article, but is a valid search term and merging/redirect here is a good WP:ATD. Boleyn ( talk) 15:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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What is up with the "External links" dumping ground. A section, subsection, and eleven links fertilizing a link farm where three or four would be more than enough! Maybe someone can take a look at trimming or integrating. Otr500 ( talk) 19:58, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
I think we should reconsider whether to have a whole section on Ratcliffe's proposed nomination. Sure, it was newsworthy at the time, but now it's yesterday's news - didn't even really pass the one-week test. And we don't have any detail in this article AT ALL about the nominations of the previous directors. Or in most other articles about cabinet level positions. I think we should reconsider whether this section even belongs here or whether it should be removed as WP:NOTNEWS. -- MelanieN ( talk) 01:54, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
So Ratcliffe is in now I believe. Not entirely sure because my understanding of bureaucracy is sort of poor. Funny that I still use this site given that. Here are some articles.
[1]
[2]
[3]
puggo (
talk)
00:57, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
References
In the lede, "The director of national intelligence (DNI)" should have lowercase "d", "n", and "I" per the closed RfC at
RfC: First mention in the first sentence... (MOS:JOBTITLES). —
Eyer (If you
reply, add {{reply to|Eyer}}
to your message to
let me know.)
21:44, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
@ Eyer: I disagree. That RfC closed with No consensus moreso, this article clearly is used to talk about the entity that is The Director, not just a director. If you disagree, then Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and plethora of others should be changed too. Bulhis899 ( talk) 07:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
{{reply to|Eyer}}
to your message to
let me know.)
11:05, 4 May 2020 (UTC)Wikipedia uses
MOS:JOBTITLES, not government sources, to determine capitalization. —
Eyer (If you
reply, add {{reply to|Eyer}}
to your message to
let me know.)
01:19, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Eyer here. And the parallels suggested are not very parallel. "National intelligence" is not the name of an org like "Central Intelligence Agency" and "Joint Chiefs of Staff" are, so those get caps. But "director" only does when attached to a name, like it says at JOBTITLES. Dicklyon ( talk) 03:21, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
The acronym NIP is used twice but is not defined anywhere on the page. It’s first referenced in the lines about the 2013 and 2014 budgets where MIP is also used. It’s hard for me to know whether NIP is a typo of MIP or something else. Christopher.Eagan ( talk) 20:58, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I have added President-elect Biden’s nomination of Avril Haines to the article. But the date of her nomination is a bit ambiguous: Biden’s intention to nominate her first leaked to the press on Saturday, November 21, was confirmed by multiple sources on November 22, was confirmed by the transition office on November 23, and formally announced at an event in Wilmington with other national security nominees on Tuesday, November 24.
I have included the November 23 date in the article, given that this is the date when a) the incoming administration confirmed her nomination to the press, and b) the press referred to her as “nominated”, past tense. If there’s a more-correct official date to use, that should be substituted in the article. Informal words like “announced”, “named”, or “presented” could allow the use of the 22nd or 24th, but would mostly just increase the ambiguity in my opinion.
(Addendum: Also, in looking for sources to cite, I only found reputable news articles from Nov 23, using the past tense for “nominated”; it would be rather odd to cite a news source as authoritative when referring to an event that wouldn’t happen until after its publication—even if that event had since occurred.) TreyHarris ( talk) 21:54, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Inappropriate to add Bidens' selections at this time. He is NOT the presidential successor yet, nor is he the president-elect. The president-elect will not be selected by electors PER the Constitution of the United States until Jan 6th
THus this section has been removed. ( Personal attack removed) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.255.168.210 ( talk) 02:13, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
On November 23, 2020, President-elect Joe Biden nominated Avril Haines to assume the office in January 2021. If confirmed, she will become the first woman to hold the position.
As of Date…
annotations everywhere. We don’t do that. We simply use the present tense and, when possible, mention future dates after which we know certain information will become stale.The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 22:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Assistant Deputy Director of National Intelligence for Open Source isn't notable enough for a standalone article, but is a valid search term and merging/redirect here is a good WP:ATD. Boleyn ( talk) 15:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)