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Dimash currently has one "album" (mini-album/EP) and several "singles", mostly live, listed in the Discography section, but are these actually official releases? The only one which I've found available to buy is Eternal Memory (the Battle of Memories film theme song). Can someone direct me to any sources (ideally in English, but any language would be better than nothing) to indicate whether the other claimed discography items are official audio releases? Does Dimash have an official website (in any language)? Contains Mild Peril ( talk) 23:06, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
His songs including Bastau are found on iTunes. I have yet to add links. His website is in progress. AubreyChin ( talk) 13:34, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
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I made two corrections in the Singer 2017 section of this article. I do not have time to supply formal inline references for these changes right now, so I will just briefly explain them here. The Wikipedia article for Singer 2017 has the songwriters for all of the Dimash songs listed correctly.
In the case of Adagio, the music was long attributed to Tomaso Albinoni; however (as the Wikipedia article on Adagio in G minor discusses at length), there has never be any evidence that Albinoni had anything to do with that particular composition. The original music appears to be entirely the work of the Italian composer and Albinoni biographer Remo Giazotto. Lyricist Lara Fabian and the two other songwriters (as correctly listed) made it, in 1999, into the song that is commonly used today.
In the case of "Unforgettable Day," Dimash Kudaibergen was correctly listed as the composer of the music, however his father had been incorrectly listed as the lyricist. This same mistake was made on the original television broadcast of Singer 2017. The Wikipedia article for Singer 2017 has the songwriters for this song listed correctly. (The original error probably happened because the lyrics for "Unforgettable Day" were not written by Dimash's father, but by the father of a friend of Dimash.) The actual lyricist was Oral Baisengir. The original song was only written in the Kazakh language, but for the Chinese Singer 2017 episode, a part of the lyrics were sung by Dimash in Mandarin. This is why a Mandarin lyricist is also listed. X5dna ( talk) 09:10, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Who added these templates? With all due respect: They seem HIGHLY subjective, for example I can't find a single not "neutral" sentence on the page, yet someone claims that the whole page was not neutral. I also just clicked through several links and didn't see a single one that was "not trust-worthy". Can the person who added these templates please specify WHICH links are supposed to be not trust-worthy, so that someone (for example me) can replace them? Claiming something like that without pointing out which links are supposed to be affected is neither kind nor very professional. And I neither agree that the content of the page is not generally "interesting" enough, which is btw a subjective value statement in itself. Unfortunately, most of the content was already deleted, including some of those information that are of major public interest (like for example his exact vocal range which is probably one of the main reasons why people visit this page). Who is doing all of these things? Is there a Dimash hater who is doing all of that? This is getting more and more suspicious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.96.12.152 ( talk) 11:29, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
With all due respect: I don't understand the templates either. First of all: Apart from the fact that the page had been more informative and better elaborated before all these changes were made, I don't see anything wrong with this page. And it is actually unusually well sourced for a Wikipedia article.
And with all due respect: To, Drmies, who allegedly added these templates: You ideally first check, if a reference link is REALLY not suitable, and if it REALLY isn't, you ideally remove the link, EXPLAIN why it needed to be removed, and then add a citation needed tag. This way, people have the chance to improve Wikipedia articles. I absolutely don't expect you to look for and replace links yourself, I would never expect you to spend your free time with looking for links for Wikipedia articles, but you could give others the chance to do so. Adding templates without pointing out what would you like to have replaced and why, is not really helpful, and with all due respect: It does not raise the quality of a Wikipedia article, it rather lowers it.
However, I just looked through many currently used reference links and all of those looked perfectly fine to me.
Concerning your YT links argument: Once again, it would have been amazing, if you could have highlighted the links you are not happy with. Generally: I'm not sure, if there is even a single piece of information on this page that is solely sourced with a video link, and even if so: video links are allowed as reference links for Wikipedia, as long as the respective video uploads don't infringe copyright, and don't collide with any other Wikipeda guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.117.10.160 ( talk) 21:01, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
I don't understand the templates either. This article is very well sourced. I just compared it with the Wikpedia articles about several world famous singers, and all of them were much less well sourced. All contain many completely unsourced information, and the used sources are partly not allowed links (for example unofficial (fan) uploads on YouTube).
With all due respect, the templates here seem enormously subjective. This article is very well sourced and well written, generally, and especially compared to the the average Wikipedia standard. — Preceding
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Dinmukhamed Kanatuly Kudaibergen — Дінмұхаммед Қанатұлы Құдайберген (See Latin script) as Dinmuhammed Qanatuly Qudaibergen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.117.81.214 ( talk) 07:16, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
It is Dimash Kudaibergenov, not just Kudaibergen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.192.35.176 ( talk) 21:25, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
17 Jan 2019: Kudaibergen / Qudaibergen is acceptable, and is the Kazakh version of the name. Kudaibergenov is the Russian version of the name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacy38 ( talk • contribs) 04:52, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Please stop unnecessarily adding further possibilities of spelling his name. There is someone who changed it several times in the last days, allegedly because of the new Kazakh alphabet, but used (varying) wrong spellings each time — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.81.48.60 ( talk) 21:31, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm seeing what looks like it could be a wedding ring on his left ring finger in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnc-CQ8yaPM But I'm not sure what such a ring means in his culture. Is he married?
No, he is not married. Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 13:26, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
I came across this article because it was featured in this YT video that was published 2 days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJbqz0YwVsE&t=3m10s So I decided to look for the issues.
The a) Fanpov b) Unreliable sources c) Primary sources Templates didn't seem justifiable.
The article is written in a neutral way, the used sources are realiable and only 2 of the more than 200 used sources are primary. And in those cases the usage of primary links seems to make sense. (e.g. linking to a BBC interview as proof that this very BBC interview actually happened) This article is unusually well-sourced for a Wikipedia article. I've rarely seen such a well-sourced article to be honest. In almost all Wikipedia articles there are many unsourced information and the used sources often do not seem to be very reliable, also primary sources are usually used much more often. And this also applies to many articles that are tagged as "good articles" and articles that are semi-protected. This article is light years above Wikipedia average with respect to neutrality and sources.
I did not remove the Fanpov template because I agree that it could be shortened. 80.121.19.224 ( talk) 20:24, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
As already mentioned above in the "Vocal Range" debate, the current vocal range image needs to be corrected, either by Tösö8 (the uploader) himself or by someone else. The overall range of A1 - D8 is right, but the belting range is 2/3 octaves off, that's an immense inaccuracy. E5 is BY FAR not his highest belt. Kudaibergen has always been known for his huge upper extension of B5 (belt) - F6 (head voice) and D8(whistle), until he hit a new highest belt a few months ago, a C6.
To showcase this: Here are just a few of his belts that are higher than E5:
F5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra4v19Rp6cQ&t=5m13s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeoHpw9TRio&t=3m8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOSSeUY1uq0&t=4m2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69RSkKu7MOs&t=2m50s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaq24OhkBRE&t=3m40s
F#5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEz1qGS0T1Q&t=2m05s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXR1GCsLTSw&t=3m42s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QtI_fpTIxc&t=4m21s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATOTl1x83o0&t=3m38s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXCpnsz5TM&t=46s
G5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul3kpE1qcow&t=3m50s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul3kpE1qcow&t=4m18s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8m9ECdLTYY&t=4m10s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUSvj8UvFLo&t=4m42s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UR5uTwGDlE&t=3m16s
G#5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmi2cVijdMo&t=5m42s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23HYymUjIHE&t=2m37s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATOTl1x83o0&t=4m29s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33eUVjXeKjI&t=2m52s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=673WBhBwpoE&t=2m42s
A5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G92IVn8DIw&t=4m7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kZTJjLoD64&t=2m53s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhBbPkA-hcU&t=4m2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBgueGdgh4g&t=4m6s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QtI_fpTIxc&t=4m32s
Bb5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9FlDMCo8LU&t=4m42s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrPaLLBHvYo&t=2m52s several Bb5s in this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58SQXFZbkiA
B5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WK7ycnafwQ&t=3m16s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WK7ycnafwQ&t=3m16s
C6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcPC9f1XtkM&t=1m23s
PLEASE anyone correct this, 91.114.160.57 ( talk) 00:57, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Regrettably, there is some minor edit war regarding Dimash's lowest note.
Low note in Sinful Passion is an E2, AFAICT (hard to hear due to vocal fry), not a C2, as wrongly claimed in some YouTube comments and echoed on Wikipedia. Love is Like a Dream starts with Dimash 'speaking' rather than singing, but when the melody repeats at 0:56 you can hear the low note from the beginning was an F♯2, if I'm not mistaken. Therefore, his lowest note, that I know of, is the D2 in Love of Tired Swans.
Before editing the article please do install a piano app and check for yourself. Blindly copying YouTube comments is not reliable! Claims on YT get echoed by lots of people, but this doesn't necessarily make them correct.
Searching won't help either: If you search YouTube for "Dimash lowest note" (as of March 2019) you end up with F2, because you find videos from mid 2018, predating Sinful Passion and Tired Swans. Google search, too, turns up a Quora answer from 2017.
Another pitfall: naming differs between countries, a German's b2 means B♭5 in English, a German H is a B2 and a Spanish la2 is an A3.
Check it yourself, use good headphones and maybe slow video to 0.75. Russian orchestras usually tune to A4 = 443 Hz instead of 440 Hz, however the difference is negligable, so it's not a big problem if your piano app doesn't allow tuning.
The D8 in Gakku's Unforgettable Day is correct, though a piano won't help. ☺
And anticipating rubbish about highest notes: Most digital audio recording today uses 48 kHz sampling, which cannot possibly reproduce any sounds exceeding 48/2 = 24 kHz (≈ F♯10) (→ Nyquist). CDs (44.1 kHz sampling) can't even reach F10 (22.4 kHz). Human hearing (young adult) already ends roughly around D10 (19 kHz), which audio encoding takes advantage of to save space. MP3 won't bother much beyond 16 kHz (B9) and even fullband Opus as usually used in YouTube cuts off at 20 kHz (D♯10). Which means all those YouTube videos claiming to feature a G10 (25 kHz) are technically impossible.
Please never change the lowest/highest note without providing a link for reference, allowing others to double-check. -- 93.221.223.243 ( talk) 16:30, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
It's basically very, very nice that
Tösö8 uploaded an image displaying Dimash's vocal range, and I basically absolutely love the idea and the range chart looks really professional, well done, but unfortunately, the displayed range is not correct. Well, the overall range (A1 - D8) is, but the belting range isn't.
/info/en/?search=Dimash_Kudaibergen#/media/File:Dimash's_range_of_voice.jpg
According to this image, Dimash's belting range is F2 - E5, which is veeery far from the truth. Dimash had always been known for a belting range going up til B5, and he recently further expanded it by hitting a C6 in belt in his performance of "Superstar" at the "New Year Global Gala" in Beijing on 31 Dec.
A belting range is usually defined by the range of notes the chest voice can stretch, which includes all notes hit in chest voice per se and all notes hit in mix (chest voice (M1) mixed with head voice (M2)).
In Dimash's case this would be A1 - C6, which is considerably bigger than F2 - E5. Dimash is especially known for his vocal range and many users who visit this article do so because they want to know his exact range, so we need to be really precise here.
Just as a little demonstration: E5 is absolutely not the top of his belting range, E5 belts are not high for him at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLEQzfqO_l0&t=5m47s ...and almost all of his most popular belts are higher than E5. Some examples: F#5 in SOS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEz1qGS0T1Q&t=2m05s ; G5 in Show Must Go On: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gJg_MLrjKc&t=3m27s ; A5 in Hello: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmyWxEm0xLk&t=3m59s ; Bb5 in Sinful Passion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9FlDMCo8LU&t=4m45s ; ...and here's his so far highest belt: C6 in Superstar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcPC9f1XtkM&t=1m23s
Just to let everyone know: With his performance of "Diva Dance" at the Shanghai Spring Festival Gala on 25 January, Dimash hit a new low note: F#1. But it was growling and there is no scientific consensus on whether growling is officially part of the vocal range or not. Thus, I would still use A1 - D8 (his vocal range in the narrower sense) — Preceding
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Hello dear everybody! Thanks for all comments. The consensus seems to be that the picture contains only Dimash’s overall vocal range. I’ve prepared and a few minuts ago uploaded a new version of the image – valid both at English speaking territories and in continental Europe: in the international language of music, Italian. I hope to everyone's satisfaction.
Special thanks to 91.115.237.69 for your attention; really. You didn't know that exceptionally I remember that C, D, E, F, G, A, B/H are the white keys of the piano, and the semitones # are black. But that’s all, my knowledge here ends.:) :) :) Best wishes -- Tösö8 ( talk) 19:35, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
With all due respect: Who changed the text to what it looks like now? It looked very professional before, now it looks like it was written by a child, and it's extremely repetitive. And why are the documentaries not mentioned anymore?
"Kudaibergen calls his fans "Dears"[214]
Kudaibergen was voted among "The 100 Most Handsome Faces" by international independent critics in 2017 and 2018.[215]
Kudaibergen has been a model[216] for fashion labels[217][218] and for Lifestyle and Fashion magazines." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.46.176.56 ( talk) 22:59, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
I don't understand the context and reasoning with regards to the Admin revisions on this page. If Admins determined that text was Spam, why was the entire section removed? From reading this talk page, it seems a Wiki Admin (looking at this text, name appears to be Drmies) unceremoniously removed text from the Triva section. And, after reading further, it appears as if the same Admin deleted the entire Triva section. I have checked other singers Wikipedia pages, and this Trivia section did not appear to be in any violation. I hate to think that there would be any kind of descriptive bias against or undue prejudice towards this page; that kind of action would be most unprofessional. My apologies, if my assessment of Prejudice, seems harsh, but when I see what was done to the information on this page, it is the conclusion that immediately comes to my mind. I certainly hope this can be rectified without Prejudice. Truocnipbaec ( talk) 21:53, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
This is very sad and upsetting. It had always been very informative and looked very professional. Now it is rather the opposite, even some of the most relevant information is missing now! What happened? Vandalism? Can the original page somehow be restored? I have never edited anything on Wikipedia and unfortunately, I don't know how to do it. Can someone please bring back the original page? It really hurts to see what happened here.
Dimash is a perfect singer, a natural and powerfull vocalist.
This is nothing but discrimination. I knew the article before. It was and is very well-sourced. Most Wikipedia articles about other singers are MUCH less well-sourced, most include many, many, many completely unsourced information. And what happens here? Most of Dimash's page gets removed and these templates are added. e.g. by saying that YT is not a legit source for Wikipedia (and that IG links are not a legit source for Wikipeda, even though there were only appr. 2 or 3 used and even tough they are already gone). Funnily, almost all singers have YT links as sources on their pages AND it is, if you read through the Wikipedia guidelines, officially allowed to use YT links, as long as there is no copyright infringement involved. And there never was any on this page, because on this page (contrarily to most others) all used YT links were uploads by the copyright holders/TV channels. Even his VOCAL RANGE was removed by saying that his exact vocal range was irrelevant, even though this is the singer with the biggest vocal range in the world. There are so many singers with muuuch smaller ranges who are "allowed" to have their exact ranges on Wikipedia.
By the way, I just compared it to the page of another wide range singer, Devin Townsend. And guess what? a) HE is allowed to have his exact range there, even though it's
b) HE is allowed to have his YT channel (and other personal links) in his "External Links", whereas Dimash's was removed c) The page is AWFULLY SOURCED in comparison. There are so many completely unsourced information, and those that are sourced mainly use freaking Twitter links as sources. Most sources are literally Twitter. The rest are e.g. YT links. There are hardly any newspaper articles. AND NOW GUESS WHAT. That page is not only not mainly removed and receives no templates, it is even marked as "Good Article"!!! Are you kidding me? That's absolutely unfair and pure discrimination of Dimash. Is it because he is Kazakh? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.23.48.91 ( talk) 16:44, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Incomplete info
What happened to Dimash Kudaibergen's wikipedia? We used to be able to find a VERY complete information there and I have been using it for reference, if anyone ever asks about him. Nowadays his wiki looks so unprofessional and incomplete. Whoever edited his wiki into such a mess should be fired. I have been checking his wikipedia time and time again and I find it strange that sometimes it's complete and well written when other days it is butchered and chopped to bits. I seriously want his old wikipedia back!
I'm not good with technology but... did someone hack into his wikipedia account or something? I think Wikipedia team should look into this. I'm so upset by how ridiculous his wiki page looks right now. Please fix it soon! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.244.235.215 ( talk • contribs)
I have made a comment regarding the Triva section and feel I need to repeat some of my text as a general comment for the Entire Page. I reference this Wikipedia very frequently and have noticed a form of "butchering" happening to this page. I have seen that the Admin name [Drmies] frequently noted; and with distinctly unacceptable and sarcastic comments. I hate to think that there would be any kind of descriptive bias against or undue prejudice towards this page; that kind of action would be most unprofessional. My apologies, if my assessment of Prejudice seems harsh. But, when I see what was done to much of the information on this page; it is the conclusion that immediately comes to my mind. I certainly hope this can be rectified without Prejudice. Truocnipbaec ( talk) 22:10, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Dear El C, I do understand that the info box shouldn't contain too much information. However, the genre "classical music" is of big relevance. Singing in many genres is one of the things this singer is primarly known for, but there are only those genres he's most noted for in the info box anyway. If all musical genres he sings in were mentioned, there would be almost all existing musical genres in the info box. I may either remove "classical crossover" or "operatic pop" from the list, as these genres are similar. But classical music is a very own genre and it's one of the genres he is most known for. His education is the one of a classical singer, and he often performs well-known purely classical cantate (with exclusively bel canto singing) at big events (e.g. recently at the Opening Ceremony of the European Olympic Games, the Closing Ceremony of the World Skills, the Chinese Culture Carnival etc), as well as his own classical cantate (with a pure bel canto singing approach) that were composed for him by the Russian classical composer Igor Krutoy who e.g. also collaborates with Anna Netrebko. Kudaibergen recently even won the Russian Music Award for "Best Vocalist in Classical Music" (other nominees were e.g. Anna Netrebko and Aida Garifullina). He is noted for being inter alia a classical (bel canto) singer. And many people in Russia, Belarus and Ukraine mainly know him as a classical singer. "Classical music" is really relevant with respect to this Wikipedia article. I may remove either "classical crossover" or "operatic pop" instead, if you want to have one genre less listed (which would be understandable). I am looking forward to hearing from you. Thank you very much in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasmin Ariane ( talk • contribs) 12:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Hello everyone!
As we had talked about it in the "The Belting Range of the Vocal Range Image needs to be corrected" section: As
a) his exact vocal range, that had been mentioned in the lead, was removed several months ago, as not suitable for the lead text, (but is one of the main reasons for people reading this article) and
b) we'd decided that it wouldn't be a good idea to implement the exact range into an image (that would needed to be adjusted each time his range expands)
I've now added an own section for his vocal range and singing style. "Role models" were e.g. the Wikipedia articles about
Devin Townsend (officially a "good article"),
Mariah Carey and
Mike Patton.
I reaaally hope it's okay for everyone that and how I did it.
I. Vocal range: I think pretty much everything has already been said about his range in the "Vocal range" and the "The Belting Range of the Vocal Range Image needs to be corrected" sections on the talk page. Just a little additional input from my side: The new note F#1 in growling (as already mentioned in the other sections) has been checked by many experienced musicians, and in the meantime also a vocal coach with absolute hearing who runs a big YT channel has analysed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7YkL78hl1Y&t=3m57s (Note: Apart from the F#1, he also hears a short E1. I decided to only use the F#1 for Wikipedia, because the F#1 could be pitched by all people who analysed the note (including me), but the E1 is just hit briefly, and not everyone was able to pitch it.)
II. Vocal genres and styles: I decided not to use any video links for Wikipedia, as newspaper articles are to be prefered. However, in order to additionally prove that he can and does sing in these genres and styles: Here are examples of each genre/style/influece:
Main genre Classical Crossover
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEz1qGS0T1Q
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QtI_fpTIxc
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9FlDMCo8LU
Other genres: Classical (and Neoclassical) Music (Bel Canto)
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18li0andhmU
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkPS6t84qg4
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaQFfqC3lnU
Other genres: Pop
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBgueGdgh4g (Western Pop)
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdENiC74Ikc (Kazakh Pop)
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVFKdXRL1Ck& (Chinese Pop)
Other genres: Folk (Kazakh Folk)
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo8Oe90qZh4
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NkoFc-bQ_s
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra4v19Rp6cQ
Other genres:
World Music
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9giehnHDsj4 (traditional Chinese music, mixed with modern Chinese and Western elements)
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LEXQctl0Q0 (blend of traditional Chinese, Mongolian, Kazakh and Western musical elements)
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9FlDMCo8LU&t=4m16s (very fast
Yakutian riff)
Other influences: Rock
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHkimxzO_50&t=3m21s
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZePti7pSCs&t=5m1s
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiWL_gyFmFQ&t=7m5s +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiWL_gyFmFQ&t=7m42s
Other influences: Growls (metal)
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3DwN6lIjVU&t=3m22s +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnH399ciCJE&feature=youtu.be&t=2m56s
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJBgiXWGGtk&t=25s
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvXQ3LmPz8Y&t=3s
Other influenes: RnB
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG7Nn7Dn3UU
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAv0H6pt9ZM
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBk4RLnCj20
Other influences: Musical Theater
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WyJrMNB3UU&t=35m57s
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up9ksQP0MnY
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0yO7Sy9IcY
Other influences: Jazz
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=673WBhBwpoE&
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CciILvyFlwc&&t=332s
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmEaxCg6_8k&t=1h40m37s
Other influences: Rap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBgueGdgh4g&t=2m21s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR-xLyxMm-0&t=24s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDXT9zqqGDc
Note: I decided not to add other slight influences or mere techniques (such as soul, ethnic chants, scatting, Western + Eastern melismas, beatboxing etc)
Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 17:34, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Other singers are permitted to have their Vocal Range on Wikipedia, and, it seems that only Dimash Kudaibergen is not allowed, without any legitimate validation or reason. In my research, it was noted that [Drmies] actioned many removals of Vocal Range and [Drmies] noted it was due to it being inappropriate for the “lead”. In an attempt to respect [Drmies] these noted guidelines, it was then applied to a separate section. And, now I see that [Drmies] has again, removed the Vocal Range, contradicting the reason for the previous deletions. So, can you explain a) why it is acceptable for one singer to have these links and it is not acceptable for Dimash Kudaibergen to have the same type of links? and b) why it is acceptable for one singer to have these information without any links? c) and it is not acceptable for Dimash Kudaibergen to have the same type of information with well-suitable (for example newspaper) links ? Thank you for your assistance, I really need to understand your motivation in this, so that the Dimash Kudaibergen Wikipedia page can be made as perfect as some American Singer Wikipedia pages. I am trying to help to improve this page, I am BSA-Certified Professional, so I need to understand your analysis of the problem here. Again, to reiterate, I am detecting implied Racism and Bigotry in this decision, and I would ask that you provide information that justifies your disregard of valid sourced information.
I will be blunt regarding the Dimash Kudaibergen Range and relative reference Links. There seems to be no apparent problem with the ranges and reference links of American / British / Christian singers, is this censorship because he is a Kazakhstani or Muslim? And, the relevance regarding blatant Racism and Censorship intensifies, if referenced to the fact that [Drmies] had previously removed renowned Kazakhstan newspapers, and [Drmies] had previously removed links of The Official Website of the Federal Government of the Republic of Kazakhstan from the reference links, by claiming that they were not trustworthy. I mean, no disrespect, but the implications of Ethnic intolerance by [Drmies] applied to this Wiki page seems very apparent to me. In addition, I'd like to point out that this page is very well sourced for Wikipedia standards. I would appreciate an intelligent response and not “Blocking” me, would indicate your genuine approach to work together to resolve these issues. Truocnipbaec ( talk) 01:12, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Drmies Hmm why are you doing that now? (Re-adding all templates that had already got removed, completely removing his vocal range from Wikipedia and changing the lead to "he is "nicknamed the Six Octave Man")? With all due respect: This is really getting a little suspicious tbh... And Dimash is not generally nicknamed the "Six Octave Man", that was just the nick name that was used on the 3 episodes of The World's Best he appeared in in 2019. And why did you say in the edit history that you did it because the used reference links didn't mention his range at all and only said that his nickname was "Six Octave Man"? That's, once again, not true. Here's a quote from one of the two used reference links: "The 25-year-old singer from Kazakhstan is known for his wide vocal range of six octaves, from D2 to D8 (and 6 octaves and 5 semitones, from A1 to D8, including chest voice with vocal fry)." With all due respect: Did you even read them? And I sent you dozens of articles yesterday (and I can send you even more) mentioning his range, and told you you could choose the article you personally preferred and I would add it. Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 19:17, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello
El C!
I'm soo sorry to bother you, but can you maybe tell me what is going on here? ...and what I can do about it? This is very confusing (and doesn't make a lot of sense imo tbh), and is kind of hurtful...
Jasmin Ariane (
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19:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Drmies Oh, and with all due respect: It's not true that there are mainly primary sources used, there are hardly any. There indeed were some, but I spend many, many hours in the last months to replace them, and except for maybe appr. 3 I have already replaced all of them (and I will, of course, also replace the very few left). Here are literally all sources used in this article. I listed all of them for you (in the order of appearance in the article):
HuffPost, Caspian News, Asian Broadcast Union, KAZinform, The Astana Times, Sputnik News Kazakhstan, NUR Kazahstan, Caravan News Kazakhstan, Radio Azattyq Russia, Oblast Maslikhat News, Baribar Kazakhstan, DKN World News, Avestnik News Kazakhstan, Neonomad News Kazakhstan, Musical News Italia, Minsk News, Global Times China, QQ News, New Times Kazakhstan, Central Asian Media News, AI News Kazakhstan, Khabar Kazakhstan, Diapazon Kazakhstan, The Regional Government of Aktobe, Kazakhstan, Federal Government of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Tengri News, Slavianski Bazaar, Meteo News Belarus, TUT Belarus, China Daily, Kazakh TV News, KazakhUni, European Broadcasting Union, Narodni News Maribor, Baige News Kazakhstan, Belarus News, Bala Dausy, Kursiv Journal Kazakkhstan, Seldon News Russia, Pravda Kazakhstan, The Presidential Office of the Republic of Kazakhstan, SOHU News China, CGTN News, KTK Kazakhstan, Grate News China, Inform Buro Kazakhstan, Wangyi China, Tencent News, 365 Info Kazakhstan, Sina News China, KK News China, Kaisa Culture & Sports News, Central Asia Monitor, Lenta Inform Kazakhstan, MTV Taiwan, Massaget New Kazakhstan, Pavlodar News Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan Express, Dvevnik News Croatia, CCTV, Zhunluan News China, BGENT China, WAP News Online, BBC UK, BBC News Kyrgyz, Candid Magazine, 1883 Magazine, TASS Russia, Alamy News, InterMedia, Minsitry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Mango TV News, Forbes Magazine Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan 24, MeaWWW, Talent Recap, Cinema Blend, Carter Matt, Skuky Net Russia, Times Kazakhstan, Khabar 24, KNews Kyrgyzstan, CT Belarus, QazaqUni, Kazakhstan Time, Aktobe Administration, World People News China, L'Officiel, People China, Ifeng News China, Silu News China, Stan Kazakhstan, The Russian Academy of Music, The World News, Gutseriev Media Russia, Novosti Express Russia, Esquire Kazakhstan, Forum Daily, Music Trespass, Yandex News Russia, ILO Kazakhstan, Otyrar Kazakhstan, Yvision Russia, The Regional Government of Uralsk, Kazakhstan, Moy Gorod Russia, Zaman Are We, Tilshi News Kazakhstan, Ibirzha News Kazakhstan, Today Kazakhstan, Chozan China, ULT Kazakhstan, Rednet China, SBS News Kazakhstan, Shanghai Pet Adoption Day, The Diplomat Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 20:08, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Dear
Drmies, its exceptionally wide vocal range is one of if not THE most evident characteristic of Kudaibergen's voice and thus definitely deserves to be mentioned in the article. I understand that reliable secondary sources would be needed to verify the lower and the upper bound of his diapason, but the mere fact that it's exceptionally wide cannot be seriously disputed. Everyone can listen to a random performance of Kudaibergen's to convince themselves it's true. Why do you insist on a secondary source verifying that statement while other equally or even less obvious statements — such as him being male or from Kazakhstan — are accepted without that kind of proof? What's wrong with including a sentence such as "Kudaibergen has [or: is known to have] an exceptionally wide vocal range" in the article's introduction without a reference being given when there's only a single person in this part of the Milky Way
who actually disputes that statement?
Greetings to Mrs. Drmies and your growling son, I hope he's better now!
Beihilfebeleg (
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15:25, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
There's a slippery slope here: since a series of editors seem to have no problem inserting their own research into this article, we now have 120k of stuff, much of which trivial and improperly verified, from metal growls to speaking or singing 12 languages or whatever. And that is why the article is tagged for poor sourcing and for being a fan site. Drmies ( talk) 15:33, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not intending to fight you or get on your nerves, but a Wikipedia article about Kudaibergen without his diapason even being mentioned is like a Wikipedia article about Donald Trump without any indication he's the current POTUS.
Like you, I'm also wondering why it's so hard to find a secondary source about a musicological analysis of Kudaibergen's voice. Most probably there are some reliable sources in Kazakh, Russian, or Mandarin none of us editors are aware of, and we'll definitely continue searching for them. For the time being, however, I'm still convinced a low-key wording such as "Kudaibergen has an exceptionally wide vocal range" (not mentioning how wide exactly) should make it to the article's intro even without a secondary source having been cited yet.
Cheers, Beihilfebeleg ( talk) 16:28, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Drmies, I've been a silent reader here for a while, and the used reference links were absolutely fine. Also: there is a list of numerous further links on this very Talk Page that includes many further suitable links you could have chosen from. There was no objective reason to remove the information.
Oh, and this singer is known for his vocal range of six octaves.Not including this is irrational and immensely lowers the informational quality of the article. Kind regards, Petra ~~ — Preceding
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213.147.164.228 (
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19:00, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
And your argumentation is highly questionable. You said you removed his range because you needed to remove 2 (of the more than 10) links in this article that include his vocal range. And your argument was the following: That these 2 articles didn't include his range but only called him "Six Octave Man"; And that this doesn't mean and that the authors don't want to say by that that he has six octaves. I reaaally try to be as polite as possible, but I can't find another word for it. This is ridiculous. 1) An article with the title "‘The Six Octave Man’ Astounds With His Range On ‘The World’s Best’" that also includes "The 24-year-old singer said in his intro video that when his voice deepened as he got older, he was able to retain his high pitch." does absolutely not want to say that this singer has a 6 octave range. Sure. Logical. Congratulations. 2) The second article included the following sentence: "The 25-year-old singer from Kazakhstan is known for his wide vocal range [...] of 6 octaves and 5 semitones, from A1 to D8 [...]). " Yet, you lied on both the talk page and in the edit summary and said that the used sources didn't say anything about his vocal range. And you are not interested in the many, many other suitable sources that were offered to you either. Why do you do that? And why do you keep removing legitimate content? I am sorry, but it is more than obvious that you are not objective. And the fact that you are fine with all the wrong and unsourced ranges in other articles that were shown to you, and reject to remove (any of) them, but remove legitimate and highly relevant sourced content from this page doesn't make it look better. 190.46.74.201 ( talk) 00:10, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Drmies And why did you remove the growling from the page by claiming that the used source was just a video showing someone growling? That's, once again, not true. It was a Sputnik News Kazakhstan article saying that he growled, both in the text and even in the title (linked with a report about a press conference Kudaibergen took part in). An article saying that he growled is a suitable source for growling. (Which he, btw, does in all of his concerts). I would be very glad, if you could answer (preferably in a neutral way). Thank you very much in advance. Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 08:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
a. do you think that for technical musical information we should cite publications that specialize in music, or that we should cite state-run media organizations such as Sputnik (news agency) ("frequently described as a Russian propaganda outlet"), who have a vested interest in supporting and promoting artists who sing nice nationalist songs and promote their country's agenda?
b. can you please explain that when someone growls, or is said to growl, it is to be taken as using "vocal styles and techniques" of metal? My son wants to know; he was growling yesterday.
c. When he growls, can you please specify which metal we're talking about? Maybe the article does? There are 38 types of metal listed in Category:Heavy metal genres--surely your source, if it's reliable and knowledgeable, is precise and accurate. That is, your source does say, right, that he growled and thus showed he was using "vocal styles and techniques" of metal?
My last, more general, question is this: should we on Wikipedia put in our opinions and interpretations, or should we go with what reliable and knowledgeable sources say?
BTW I started a new section for this, since it got so big it might crash someone's computer. And I'm going to ask for some input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music; I'm sure there's a few metalheads there who can help out. Drmies ( talk) 13:38, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
I really don't mean to be disrespectful, but you are absolutely unnecessarily overcomplicating and things, and please don't act like you have no idea about music, I really respect you, but this is not necessary.
Also: There are not 38 types of metal. Maybe if you count in each subgenre of each subgenre... However, the demand of a subgenre classification of growls is redundant. All kinds of growls are very similar (both technique- and soundwise) and all subgenres of metal include all of them (except for the few metal genres in which growls are very unusual, such as Power Metal). No growling styles are limited to a certain subgenre. The question alone shows that you are not informed about this genre and are trying to artifically make something up that isn't there.
And just to let you know: I'm a singer in a choir, but also singer in a metal band.
(And you will see that many of those who follow Dimash Kudaibergen's career are musicians themselves (of many different genres because he attracts people from different fields due to his vocal versatility; and growls are absolutely part of his vocal repertoire, he does them in all of his concerts; and he is not a mainstream singer with catchy tunes, this is a extremely skilled singer with an extremely big vocal range, which is why especially musicians (singers and voice teachers) follow him).
By the way, I saw that on this talk page here there is also a list with video examples of the mentioned styles. If you click the links under "Other influences: Growls (metal)" you see 2 vocal coach analyses of one of his growls, both vocal coaches (and one of them is an internationally well-known metal vocal coach) say that this is a metal growl.
What else should it be? GROWLING IS A METAL TECHNIQUE.
...which is why "metal growl" is actually a tautology.
I'd additionally like to say that this article stands out compared to the vast majority of articles about singers in a very positive way. It is neutrally written, and it is exceptionally well-sourced. Neither your removals not the templates were justified.
On top of that, genres and styles of singers do not even necessarily need sources. And in almost all singers' articles, there aren't any for genres and styles. THIS article is a positive exception.
And just to let you know: calling Sputnik News Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan's most popular daily newspaper (which is by the way NOT Sputnik News Russia) indirectly a propaganda medium is not only unnecessary, that is outrageous. Yes, I'm sure they just called a growl a "growl" in an article about a press conference because of a conspiracy to boost the artist. (And on top of that this is, of course, even aiming to boost his popularity in foreign countries whose inhabitants do not even speak the language the article is written in.) This really makes sense. I really try my best to be as respectful as possible. I really, really do. But you don't make it very easy.
190.46.74.201 (
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23:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Just to let everyone know
I started shortening the article a while I go, but I'll need to shorten it more. I'm currently trying to get in contact with those who created the page, because I don't want to make them feel like their work is being "destroyed" without them even knowing why and without having a say in what is most important and should not be removed,
Jasmin Ariane (
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16:14, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
As people complained about the missing Trivia section, shall we maybe bring it back...? I don't know why it was removed, but imo there was no necessity to do so. I would e.g. understand, if the modeling paragraph needed to be shortened or if a few reference links needed to be replaced, but I personally don't see a reason, why the Trivia section as a whole shouldn't be here.
The "Dears" are mentioned in so many articles about Dimash, so it's apparently of public interest. Also that he was voted among the "100 Most Handsome Faces" is mentioned in most articles that include some kind of short biography about him. The modeling topic is mentioned in less articles, but it's still not really rare, and the documentaries are not often mentioned in articles about him, but, on the other hand, documentaries about a living person are probably always a legit part of a Wikipedia article. Hmm.
Does anyone else have an opinion on this?
This is what the "original" Trivia section would look like (without any changes so far, but it would be, of course, possible to e.g. shorten it ):
"Kudaibergen calls his fans "Dears", [1] which he explains in his own words as follows: “They are so devoted and give me so much support! So they are very dear to me. They are like family to me. Just as we love every member of the family, I love and cherish my fans and call them my dears.” [2]
Kudaibergen was voted among "The 100 Most Handsome Faces" by international independent critics in 2017 and 2018. [3]
Kudaibergen has been a model [4] for fashion labels [5] [6] and for Lifestyle and Fashion magazines. He was on the magazine covers of Men's Health, [7] Southern Metropolis, [7] Starbox, [8] Easy, [9] L’Officiel Hommes, [10] Ivyplume, [11] Chic, [12] Chic Teen, [13] and Elle. [14] He was featured in further photo series of many other magazines, including Cosmopolitan, [15] OnlyLady, [16] and Men's Wear, [17] and had video shoots for e.g. Elle Shop, [18] Cosmopolitan [19] and the Esentai Mall. [20]
Several documentaries have already been made about Kudaibergen. "Great Dimash" was released in 2017 by the Kazakh TV channel Khabar TV. [21] [22] In 2017 also the Chinese TV channel Hunan TV aired a documentary about Kudaibergen, with the title "The Singer". [23] [24] In 2019 Qazaqstan TV aired its documentary "Dimash".” [25] [26] "
Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 20:13, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Edit: I just saw that the Wiki article for the Esentai Mall had been removed in the meantime... Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 20:14, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
I've read that article before several sections got removed and also after that. Yes, the amount of details was excessive and some were just irrelevant fluff, but unfortunately relevant things got removed, too, and it bothered me since then. I even copied parts of the deleted stuff to my Sandbox with the intention to maybe re-adding it later in a more Wikipedia-suitable form.
I'd suggest following:
- Add a new section "Modeling" and put the handsome faces (2017, 2018 and 2019; I think, he was among them again last year) and the model jobs there. Maybe adding "model" as one of his occupations should be considered, too, if he regularly or semi-regularly does model jobs and not just did the mentioned ones.
- Add a new section "Filmography" and put the documentaries there and also the short play (I don't remember the title, but the short music movie was about boxing)
- Add a new section "Tours, Concerts and Performances" and put there a link to (a new article to create) "List of concerts and performances of Dimash Kudaibergen". I have the old list in my sandbox and will remove all the other stuff like talk shows and interviews and leave only Date, Event, TV Channel and Song(s). However, I don't know most of his performances since then, because I'm not a member of any fan clubs, neither his nor other singers, and don't collect data about them, so someone else would have to add that.
- I have yet no idea, how to add the "Dears". Maybe in "Trivia" section again...
MeUnknown010 (
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04:01, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Jasmin Ariane I checked it and found out, that "BLPs should not have trivia sections."
Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Tone, so it will always get removed. But I don't understand, why the admin didn't simply inform you about that, instead of fighting here with the users :(
- No one assumes, that he gets invited as a singer because of a pretty face. Just as no one assumes, that he gets invited as a singer because he plays piano. He is internationally known as a singer and not as a pianist or a model. What he likes more is irrelevant, he still does 3 things (singing/playing/modeling), but that doesn't change the fact, that singing is his main occupation and what he is known for.
- Music videos don't belong in "Filmography" section, which is for movies, variety shows, documentaries and the like. Music Videos are a separate "Videography" section, which could be added to his "Discography" page.
- Concerts broadcasted on TV are not "Filmography", either, but belong to "List of Tours, Concerts and Performances" (there is no such page for him yet) and that it was broadcasted could be mentioned there as Remark.
MeUnknown010 (
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22:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Documentaries about Kudaibergen | ||||
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Year | TV channel | English Title | Original Title | Language |
2019 | Qazaqstan TV | DIMASH [27] [28] | DIMASH | Russian and Kazakh |
2017 | Khabar TV | Great Dimash [29] [30] | Kazakh: Дүлдүл Димаш (Düldül Dimash) | Kazakh |
2017 | Hunan TV | The Singer [31] [32] | Chinese: 歌手 (Gēshǒu) | Mandarin and Kazakh |
Acting roles | |||||||
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Year | Production type | TV channel | English Title | Original Title | Language | Role | Remarks |
2019 | TV Musical | NTV | 1001 Nights, Territory of Love [33] [34] | Russian: 1001 ночь, или Территория любви (1001 noch', ili Territoriya lyubvi) | Russian | Supporting role (a Middle Eastern prince) | Featured Kudaibergen's song "Love of Tired Swans"; the lyrics of all featured songs were written by the Russian poet Mikail Gutseriev |
2018 | Short Movie | Hunan TV | PhantaCity [35] [36] | PhantaCity | Mandarin and English | Main role (a boxer) | Featured Kudaibergen's songs "If I Never Breathe Again" and "When You Believe" |
2017 | TV Show (an episode) | iQiyi | My Boyfriend's A Superstar/Fan Fan Boyfriend [37] [38] | Chinese: 饭饭男友 (Fàn fàn nányǒu) | Mandarin and Kazakh | Main role (a fan's boyfriend) |
Best wishes, Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 12:01, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
I have made Comments in the "What is Happening to this Page" and "Trivia sections". I felt important to make a note under "Bringing back the Trivia section". As, I have stated in the above mentioned paragraphs, I am concerned about the implied prejudiced deletions and revisions being made by a certain Admin, and perhaps others. I mean, no disrespect, but the implications of intolerance applied to this Wiki page seems very apparent to me. And, the same intolerance is NOT applied to Wikipedia pages of other Singers. It is important that information be applied within Wikipedia guidelines and that is understood. But, when information is unceremoniously butchered and/or removed.. the prejudice is not implied.. It is obvious. Again, my apologies, If I seem to be conveying a harsh assessment of bigotry. The Triva section should be returned with the understanding the text meets the Wikipedia guidelines.
Truocnipbaec (
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22:31, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
References
How does Wikipedia handle cases where a claim is sourced, but the source might be wrong?
This article claims Dimash has absolute pitch, referencing 2 sources. The 1st source in fact doesn't support this claim at all. It only says young child Dimash could repeat a melody played to him, which is pretty much the opposite of what absolute pitch means. So I'd propose deleting that reference, at least, as it doesn't support the claim.
The 2nd source does indeed say he has absolute pitch. But is this really true? Does anything qualify for Wikipedia if someone on the internet wrote it and we can reference it?
The thing is, there is a YT video, where Dimash is waiting for the show to begin - stage hands are still sweeping the floor, sound engineers are setting up their stuff and Dimash is bored. So he idly starts singing a bit. And because he's uber-alien Dimash of course he sings a bit of Mozart's Queen of the Night aria (at 1:37) - just one of the most infamously difficult pieces for female sopranos - sure, why not... 8-) After I stopped hyperventilating I became curious if he did sing it in the original key. So I checked what his highest note was, which would've been F6 in the original. I don't have absolute pitch, so I used Audacity to check. Which told me he sang 1030 Hz there, pretty much in the middle between B5 (994.5 Hz) and C6 (1053.6 Hz, assuming Russian tuning): he sang off-key, hitting the 'void' between 'official' notes.
So when Dimash has no instruments as a reference, as was the case here, he just sings some tone (like 96% of all musicians do), he seems not to be among those rare 4% of musicians with absolute pitch, who can identify any note e.g. C6 without need of e.g. a tuning fork for reference.
So I think this claim in the current article is wrong. Any thoughts? -- 93.237.6.242 ( talk) 02:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
The fandom had been added to a totally random position in the Career section by the creators of the List of fandom names Wiki article ( Þjarkur ( talk · contribs)). It really made no sense there. I didn't know where to put it, discussed it with some others and made an own headline for the fandom. In my opinion not ideal, but I assume it will do until hopefully a better section will be created (for example Public image). I also replaced the reference link with better ones. 85.127.165.38 ( talk) 09:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Official news website (en) uses form Dimash Qudaibergen so should´t it be used here too? Also Facebook, Twitter and YouTube uses Qudaibergen. Ärrännä ( talk) 09:42, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
He performed at various festivals and projects last year that have not yet been added to his 2021 career section. for example, the new wave 2021 festival where he served as a judge and also released three of his most popular songs (ave maria,stranger,fly away) or his participation in super shine brothers. or his performance at the silk road international festival where he released a new song(God and Earth as a witness)or his music video for the song Ómir Óter on Kazakhstan Independence Day. I can go on but I think these are the most important ones also I believe his song fly away reach second place for several weeks on Billboard's Hot Trending Songs. also, Dimash and Igor released a joint album called ("DIMASH KUDAYBERGEN I IGOR KRUTOY") I think it should add to his discography since he released it on his Spotify I don't know what is a reliable source for adding this information. can we use http://en.dimashnews.com/ ? my English isn't that great. I would be happy if someone add this information with sources also I believe he hit g6 in head voice( or maybe whistle) at his recent Dubai concert thank you for reading Mehran uy1 ( talk) 20:40, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
I haven't read about the song Dimash did during the height of Pandemic. How he is so concerned about the world situation. This song is an eye opener for us to be united amidst worldwide problem.
Also, another epic song War and Peace, Dimash is not just an ordinary singer/performer. He performs with depth. An he is an endorser of World Peace. 136.158.10.125 ( talk) 02:24, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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Dimash currently has one "album" (mini-album/EP) and several "singles", mostly live, listed in the Discography section, but are these actually official releases? The only one which I've found available to buy is Eternal Memory (the Battle of Memories film theme song). Can someone direct me to any sources (ideally in English, but any language would be better than nothing) to indicate whether the other claimed discography items are official audio releases? Does Dimash have an official website (in any language)? Contains Mild Peril ( talk) 23:06, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
His songs including Bastau are found on iTunes. I have yet to add links. His website is in progress. AubreyChin ( talk) 13:34, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
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I made two corrections in the Singer 2017 section of this article. I do not have time to supply formal inline references for these changes right now, so I will just briefly explain them here. The Wikipedia article for Singer 2017 has the songwriters for all of the Dimash songs listed correctly.
In the case of Adagio, the music was long attributed to Tomaso Albinoni; however (as the Wikipedia article on Adagio in G minor discusses at length), there has never be any evidence that Albinoni had anything to do with that particular composition. The original music appears to be entirely the work of the Italian composer and Albinoni biographer Remo Giazotto. Lyricist Lara Fabian and the two other songwriters (as correctly listed) made it, in 1999, into the song that is commonly used today.
In the case of "Unforgettable Day," Dimash Kudaibergen was correctly listed as the composer of the music, however his father had been incorrectly listed as the lyricist. This same mistake was made on the original television broadcast of Singer 2017. The Wikipedia article for Singer 2017 has the songwriters for this song listed correctly. (The original error probably happened because the lyrics for "Unforgettable Day" were not written by Dimash's father, but by the father of a friend of Dimash.) The actual lyricist was Oral Baisengir. The original song was only written in the Kazakh language, but for the Chinese Singer 2017 episode, a part of the lyrics were sung by Dimash in Mandarin. This is why a Mandarin lyricist is also listed. X5dna ( talk) 09:10, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Who added these templates? With all due respect: They seem HIGHLY subjective, for example I can't find a single not "neutral" sentence on the page, yet someone claims that the whole page was not neutral. I also just clicked through several links and didn't see a single one that was "not trust-worthy". Can the person who added these templates please specify WHICH links are supposed to be not trust-worthy, so that someone (for example me) can replace them? Claiming something like that without pointing out which links are supposed to be affected is neither kind nor very professional. And I neither agree that the content of the page is not generally "interesting" enough, which is btw a subjective value statement in itself. Unfortunately, most of the content was already deleted, including some of those information that are of major public interest (like for example his exact vocal range which is probably one of the main reasons why people visit this page). Who is doing all of these things? Is there a Dimash hater who is doing all of that? This is getting more and more suspicious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.96.12.152 ( talk) 11:29, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
With all due respect: I don't understand the templates either. First of all: Apart from the fact that the page had been more informative and better elaborated before all these changes were made, I don't see anything wrong with this page. And it is actually unusually well sourced for a Wikipedia article.
And with all due respect: To, Drmies, who allegedly added these templates: You ideally first check, if a reference link is REALLY not suitable, and if it REALLY isn't, you ideally remove the link, EXPLAIN why it needed to be removed, and then add a citation needed tag. This way, people have the chance to improve Wikipedia articles. I absolutely don't expect you to look for and replace links yourself, I would never expect you to spend your free time with looking for links for Wikipedia articles, but you could give others the chance to do so. Adding templates without pointing out what would you like to have replaced and why, is not really helpful, and with all due respect: It does not raise the quality of a Wikipedia article, it rather lowers it.
However, I just looked through many currently used reference links and all of those looked perfectly fine to me.
Concerning your YT links argument: Once again, it would have been amazing, if you could have highlighted the links you are not happy with. Generally: I'm not sure, if there is even a single piece of information on this page that is solely sourced with a video link, and even if so: video links are allowed as reference links for Wikipedia, as long as the respective video uploads don't infringe copyright, and don't collide with any other Wikipeda guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.117.10.160 ( talk) 21:01, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
I don't understand the templates either. This article is very well sourced. I just compared it with the Wikpedia articles about several world famous singers, and all of them were much less well sourced. All contain many completely unsourced information, and the used sources are partly not allowed links (for example unofficial (fan) uploads on YouTube).
With all due respect, the templates here seem enormously subjective. This article is very well sourced and well written, generally, and especially compared to the the average Wikipedia standard. — Preceding
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Dinmukhamed Kanatuly Kudaibergen — Дінмұхаммед Қанатұлы Құдайберген (See Latin script) as Dinmuhammed Qanatuly Qudaibergen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.117.81.214 ( talk) 07:16, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
It is Dimash Kudaibergenov, not just Kudaibergen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.192.35.176 ( talk) 21:25, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
17 Jan 2019: Kudaibergen / Qudaibergen is acceptable, and is the Kazakh version of the name. Kudaibergenov is the Russian version of the name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacy38 ( talk • contribs) 04:52, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Please stop unnecessarily adding further possibilities of spelling his name. There is someone who changed it several times in the last days, allegedly because of the new Kazakh alphabet, but used (varying) wrong spellings each time — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.81.48.60 ( talk) 21:31, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm seeing what looks like it could be a wedding ring on his left ring finger in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnc-CQ8yaPM But I'm not sure what such a ring means in his culture. Is he married?
No, he is not married. Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 13:26, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
I came across this article because it was featured in this YT video that was published 2 days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJbqz0YwVsE&t=3m10s So I decided to look for the issues.
The a) Fanpov b) Unreliable sources c) Primary sources Templates didn't seem justifiable.
The article is written in a neutral way, the used sources are realiable and only 2 of the more than 200 used sources are primary. And in those cases the usage of primary links seems to make sense. (e.g. linking to a BBC interview as proof that this very BBC interview actually happened) This article is unusually well-sourced for a Wikipedia article. I've rarely seen such a well-sourced article to be honest. In almost all Wikipedia articles there are many unsourced information and the used sources often do not seem to be very reliable, also primary sources are usually used much more often. And this also applies to many articles that are tagged as "good articles" and articles that are semi-protected. This article is light years above Wikipedia average with respect to neutrality and sources.
I did not remove the Fanpov template because I agree that it could be shortened. 80.121.19.224 ( talk) 20:24, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
As already mentioned above in the "Vocal Range" debate, the current vocal range image needs to be corrected, either by Tösö8 (the uploader) himself or by someone else. The overall range of A1 - D8 is right, but the belting range is 2/3 octaves off, that's an immense inaccuracy. E5 is BY FAR not his highest belt. Kudaibergen has always been known for his huge upper extension of B5 (belt) - F6 (head voice) and D8(whistle), until he hit a new highest belt a few months ago, a C6.
To showcase this: Here are just a few of his belts that are higher than E5:
F5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra4v19Rp6cQ&t=5m13s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeoHpw9TRio&t=3m8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOSSeUY1uq0&t=4m2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69RSkKu7MOs&t=2m50s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaq24OhkBRE&t=3m40s
F#5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEz1qGS0T1Q&t=2m05s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXR1GCsLTSw&t=3m42s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QtI_fpTIxc&t=4m21s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATOTl1x83o0&t=3m38s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXCpnsz5TM&t=46s
G5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul3kpE1qcow&t=3m50s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul3kpE1qcow&t=4m18s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8m9ECdLTYY&t=4m10s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUSvj8UvFLo&t=4m42s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UR5uTwGDlE&t=3m16s
G#5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmi2cVijdMo&t=5m42s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23HYymUjIHE&t=2m37s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATOTl1x83o0&t=4m29s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33eUVjXeKjI&t=2m52s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=673WBhBwpoE&t=2m42s
A5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G92IVn8DIw&t=4m7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kZTJjLoD64&t=2m53s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhBbPkA-hcU&t=4m2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBgueGdgh4g&t=4m6s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QtI_fpTIxc&t=4m32s
Bb5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9FlDMCo8LU&t=4m42s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrPaLLBHvYo&t=2m52s several Bb5s in this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58SQXFZbkiA
B5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WK7ycnafwQ&t=3m16s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WK7ycnafwQ&t=3m16s
C6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcPC9f1XtkM&t=1m23s
PLEASE anyone correct this, 91.114.160.57 ( talk) 00:57, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Regrettably, there is some minor edit war regarding Dimash's lowest note.
Low note in Sinful Passion is an E2, AFAICT (hard to hear due to vocal fry), not a C2, as wrongly claimed in some YouTube comments and echoed on Wikipedia. Love is Like a Dream starts with Dimash 'speaking' rather than singing, but when the melody repeats at 0:56 you can hear the low note from the beginning was an F♯2, if I'm not mistaken. Therefore, his lowest note, that I know of, is the D2 in Love of Tired Swans.
Before editing the article please do install a piano app and check for yourself. Blindly copying YouTube comments is not reliable! Claims on YT get echoed by lots of people, but this doesn't necessarily make them correct.
Searching won't help either: If you search YouTube for "Dimash lowest note" (as of March 2019) you end up with F2, because you find videos from mid 2018, predating Sinful Passion and Tired Swans. Google search, too, turns up a Quora answer from 2017.
Another pitfall: naming differs between countries, a German's b2 means B♭5 in English, a German H is a B2 and a Spanish la2 is an A3.
Check it yourself, use good headphones and maybe slow video to 0.75. Russian orchestras usually tune to A4 = 443 Hz instead of 440 Hz, however the difference is negligable, so it's not a big problem if your piano app doesn't allow tuning.
The D8 in Gakku's Unforgettable Day is correct, though a piano won't help. ☺
And anticipating rubbish about highest notes: Most digital audio recording today uses 48 kHz sampling, which cannot possibly reproduce any sounds exceeding 48/2 = 24 kHz (≈ F♯10) (→ Nyquist). CDs (44.1 kHz sampling) can't even reach F10 (22.4 kHz). Human hearing (young adult) already ends roughly around D10 (19 kHz), which audio encoding takes advantage of to save space. MP3 won't bother much beyond 16 kHz (B9) and even fullband Opus as usually used in YouTube cuts off at 20 kHz (D♯10). Which means all those YouTube videos claiming to feature a G10 (25 kHz) are technically impossible.
Please never change the lowest/highest note without providing a link for reference, allowing others to double-check. -- 93.221.223.243 ( talk) 16:30, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
It's basically very, very nice that
Tösö8 uploaded an image displaying Dimash's vocal range, and I basically absolutely love the idea and the range chart looks really professional, well done, but unfortunately, the displayed range is not correct. Well, the overall range (A1 - D8) is, but the belting range isn't.
/info/en/?search=Dimash_Kudaibergen#/media/File:Dimash's_range_of_voice.jpg
According to this image, Dimash's belting range is F2 - E5, which is veeery far from the truth. Dimash had always been known for a belting range going up til B5, and he recently further expanded it by hitting a C6 in belt in his performance of "Superstar" at the "New Year Global Gala" in Beijing on 31 Dec.
A belting range is usually defined by the range of notes the chest voice can stretch, which includes all notes hit in chest voice per se and all notes hit in mix (chest voice (M1) mixed with head voice (M2)).
In Dimash's case this would be A1 - C6, which is considerably bigger than F2 - E5. Dimash is especially known for his vocal range and many users who visit this article do so because they want to know his exact range, so we need to be really precise here.
Just as a little demonstration: E5 is absolutely not the top of his belting range, E5 belts are not high for him at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLEQzfqO_l0&t=5m47s ...and almost all of his most popular belts are higher than E5. Some examples: F#5 in SOS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEz1qGS0T1Q&t=2m05s ; G5 in Show Must Go On: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gJg_MLrjKc&t=3m27s ; A5 in Hello: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmyWxEm0xLk&t=3m59s ; Bb5 in Sinful Passion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9FlDMCo8LU&t=4m45s ; ...and here's his so far highest belt: C6 in Superstar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcPC9f1XtkM&t=1m23s
Just to let everyone know: With his performance of "Diva Dance" at the Shanghai Spring Festival Gala on 25 January, Dimash hit a new low note: F#1. But it was growling and there is no scientific consensus on whether growling is officially part of the vocal range or not. Thus, I would still use A1 - D8 (his vocal range in the narrower sense) — Preceding
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Hello dear everybody! Thanks for all comments. The consensus seems to be that the picture contains only Dimash’s overall vocal range. I’ve prepared and a few minuts ago uploaded a new version of the image – valid both at English speaking territories and in continental Europe: in the international language of music, Italian. I hope to everyone's satisfaction.
Special thanks to 91.115.237.69 for your attention; really. You didn't know that exceptionally I remember that C, D, E, F, G, A, B/H are the white keys of the piano, and the semitones # are black. But that’s all, my knowledge here ends.:) :) :) Best wishes -- Tösö8 ( talk) 19:35, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
With all due respect: Who changed the text to what it looks like now? It looked very professional before, now it looks like it was written by a child, and it's extremely repetitive. And why are the documentaries not mentioned anymore?
"Kudaibergen calls his fans "Dears"[214]
Kudaibergen was voted among "The 100 Most Handsome Faces" by international independent critics in 2017 and 2018.[215]
Kudaibergen has been a model[216] for fashion labels[217][218] and for Lifestyle and Fashion magazines." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.46.176.56 ( talk) 22:59, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
I don't understand the context and reasoning with regards to the Admin revisions on this page. If Admins determined that text was Spam, why was the entire section removed? From reading this talk page, it seems a Wiki Admin (looking at this text, name appears to be Drmies) unceremoniously removed text from the Triva section. And, after reading further, it appears as if the same Admin deleted the entire Triva section. I have checked other singers Wikipedia pages, and this Trivia section did not appear to be in any violation. I hate to think that there would be any kind of descriptive bias against or undue prejudice towards this page; that kind of action would be most unprofessional. My apologies, if my assessment of Prejudice, seems harsh, but when I see what was done to the information on this page, it is the conclusion that immediately comes to my mind. I certainly hope this can be rectified without Prejudice. Truocnipbaec ( talk) 21:53, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
This is very sad and upsetting. It had always been very informative and looked very professional. Now it is rather the opposite, even some of the most relevant information is missing now! What happened? Vandalism? Can the original page somehow be restored? I have never edited anything on Wikipedia and unfortunately, I don't know how to do it. Can someone please bring back the original page? It really hurts to see what happened here.
Dimash is a perfect singer, a natural and powerfull vocalist.
This is nothing but discrimination. I knew the article before. It was and is very well-sourced. Most Wikipedia articles about other singers are MUCH less well-sourced, most include many, many, many completely unsourced information. And what happens here? Most of Dimash's page gets removed and these templates are added. e.g. by saying that YT is not a legit source for Wikipedia (and that IG links are not a legit source for Wikipeda, even though there were only appr. 2 or 3 used and even tough they are already gone). Funnily, almost all singers have YT links as sources on their pages AND it is, if you read through the Wikipedia guidelines, officially allowed to use YT links, as long as there is no copyright infringement involved. And there never was any on this page, because on this page (contrarily to most others) all used YT links were uploads by the copyright holders/TV channels. Even his VOCAL RANGE was removed by saying that his exact vocal range was irrelevant, even though this is the singer with the biggest vocal range in the world. There are so many singers with muuuch smaller ranges who are "allowed" to have their exact ranges on Wikipedia.
By the way, I just compared it to the page of another wide range singer, Devin Townsend. And guess what? a) HE is allowed to have his exact range there, even though it's
b) HE is allowed to have his YT channel (and other personal links) in his "External Links", whereas Dimash's was removed c) The page is AWFULLY SOURCED in comparison. There are so many completely unsourced information, and those that are sourced mainly use freaking Twitter links as sources. Most sources are literally Twitter. The rest are e.g. YT links. There are hardly any newspaper articles. AND NOW GUESS WHAT. That page is not only not mainly removed and receives no templates, it is even marked as "Good Article"!!! Are you kidding me? That's absolutely unfair and pure discrimination of Dimash. Is it because he is Kazakh? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.23.48.91 ( talk) 16:44, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
Incomplete info
What happened to Dimash Kudaibergen's wikipedia? We used to be able to find a VERY complete information there and I have been using it for reference, if anyone ever asks about him. Nowadays his wiki looks so unprofessional and incomplete. Whoever edited his wiki into such a mess should be fired. I have been checking his wikipedia time and time again and I find it strange that sometimes it's complete and well written when other days it is butchered and chopped to bits. I seriously want his old wikipedia back!
I'm not good with technology but... did someone hack into his wikipedia account or something? I think Wikipedia team should look into this. I'm so upset by how ridiculous his wiki page looks right now. Please fix it soon! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.244.235.215 ( talk • contribs)
I have made a comment regarding the Triva section and feel I need to repeat some of my text as a general comment for the Entire Page. I reference this Wikipedia very frequently and have noticed a form of "butchering" happening to this page. I have seen that the Admin name [Drmies] frequently noted; and with distinctly unacceptable and sarcastic comments. I hate to think that there would be any kind of descriptive bias against or undue prejudice towards this page; that kind of action would be most unprofessional. My apologies, if my assessment of Prejudice seems harsh. But, when I see what was done to much of the information on this page; it is the conclusion that immediately comes to my mind. I certainly hope this can be rectified without Prejudice. Truocnipbaec ( talk) 22:10, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Dear El C, I do understand that the info box shouldn't contain too much information. However, the genre "classical music" is of big relevance. Singing in many genres is one of the things this singer is primarly known for, but there are only those genres he's most noted for in the info box anyway. If all musical genres he sings in were mentioned, there would be almost all existing musical genres in the info box. I may either remove "classical crossover" or "operatic pop" from the list, as these genres are similar. But classical music is a very own genre and it's one of the genres he is most known for. His education is the one of a classical singer, and he often performs well-known purely classical cantate (with exclusively bel canto singing) at big events (e.g. recently at the Opening Ceremony of the European Olympic Games, the Closing Ceremony of the World Skills, the Chinese Culture Carnival etc), as well as his own classical cantate (with a pure bel canto singing approach) that were composed for him by the Russian classical composer Igor Krutoy who e.g. also collaborates with Anna Netrebko. Kudaibergen recently even won the Russian Music Award for "Best Vocalist in Classical Music" (other nominees were e.g. Anna Netrebko and Aida Garifullina). He is noted for being inter alia a classical (bel canto) singer. And many people in Russia, Belarus and Ukraine mainly know him as a classical singer. "Classical music" is really relevant with respect to this Wikipedia article. I may remove either "classical crossover" or "operatic pop" instead, if you want to have one genre less listed (which would be understandable). I am looking forward to hearing from you. Thank you very much in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasmin Ariane ( talk • contribs) 12:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Hello everyone!
As we had talked about it in the "The Belting Range of the Vocal Range Image needs to be corrected" section: As
a) his exact vocal range, that had been mentioned in the lead, was removed several months ago, as not suitable for the lead text, (but is one of the main reasons for people reading this article) and
b) we'd decided that it wouldn't be a good idea to implement the exact range into an image (that would needed to be adjusted each time his range expands)
I've now added an own section for his vocal range and singing style. "Role models" were e.g. the Wikipedia articles about
Devin Townsend (officially a "good article"),
Mariah Carey and
Mike Patton.
I reaaally hope it's okay for everyone that and how I did it.
I. Vocal range: I think pretty much everything has already been said about his range in the "Vocal range" and the "The Belting Range of the Vocal Range Image needs to be corrected" sections on the talk page. Just a little additional input from my side: The new note F#1 in growling (as already mentioned in the other sections) has been checked by many experienced musicians, and in the meantime also a vocal coach with absolute hearing who runs a big YT channel has analysed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7YkL78hl1Y&t=3m57s (Note: Apart from the F#1, he also hears a short E1. I decided to only use the F#1 for Wikipedia, because the F#1 could be pitched by all people who analysed the note (including me), but the E1 is just hit briefly, and not everyone was able to pitch it.)
II. Vocal genres and styles: I decided not to use any video links for Wikipedia, as newspaper articles are to be prefered. However, in order to additionally prove that he can and does sing in these genres and styles: Here are examples of each genre/style/influece:
Main genre Classical Crossover
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEz1qGS0T1Q
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QtI_fpTIxc
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9FlDMCo8LU
Other genres: Classical (and Neoclassical) Music (Bel Canto)
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18li0andhmU
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkPS6t84qg4
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaQFfqC3lnU
Other genres: Pop
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBgueGdgh4g (Western Pop)
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdENiC74Ikc (Kazakh Pop)
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVFKdXRL1Ck& (Chinese Pop)
Other genres: Folk (Kazakh Folk)
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo8Oe90qZh4
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NkoFc-bQ_s
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra4v19Rp6cQ
Other genres:
World Music
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9giehnHDsj4 (traditional Chinese music, mixed with modern Chinese and Western elements)
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LEXQctl0Q0 (blend of traditional Chinese, Mongolian, Kazakh and Western musical elements)
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9FlDMCo8LU&t=4m16s (very fast
Yakutian riff)
Other influences: Rock
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHkimxzO_50&t=3m21s
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZePti7pSCs&t=5m1s
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiWL_gyFmFQ&t=7m5s +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiWL_gyFmFQ&t=7m42s
Other influences: Growls (metal)
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3DwN6lIjVU&t=3m22s +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnH399ciCJE&feature=youtu.be&t=2m56s
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJBgiXWGGtk&t=25s
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvXQ3LmPz8Y&t=3s
Other influenes: RnB
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG7Nn7Dn3UU
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAv0H6pt9ZM
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBk4RLnCj20
Other influences: Musical Theater
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WyJrMNB3UU&t=35m57s
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up9ksQP0MnY
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0yO7Sy9IcY
Other influences: Jazz
1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=673WBhBwpoE&
2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CciILvyFlwc&&t=332s
3)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmEaxCg6_8k&t=1h40m37s
Other influences: Rap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBgueGdgh4g&t=2m21s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR-xLyxMm-0&t=24s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDXT9zqqGDc
Note: I decided not to add other slight influences or mere techniques (such as soul, ethnic chants, scatting, Western + Eastern melismas, beatboxing etc)
Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 17:34, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
Other singers are permitted to have their Vocal Range on Wikipedia, and, it seems that only Dimash Kudaibergen is not allowed, without any legitimate validation or reason. In my research, it was noted that [Drmies] actioned many removals of Vocal Range and [Drmies] noted it was due to it being inappropriate for the “lead”. In an attempt to respect [Drmies] these noted guidelines, it was then applied to a separate section. And, now I see that [Drmies] has again, removed the Vocal Range, contradicting the reason for the previous deletions. So, can you explain a) why it is acceptable for one singer to have these links and it is not acceptable for Dimash Kudaibergen to have the same type of links? and b) why it is acceptable for one singer to have these information without any links? c) and it is not acceptable for Dimash Kudaibergen to have the same type of information with well-suitable (for example newspaper) links ? Thank you for your assistance, I really need to understand your motivation in this, so that the Dimash Kudaibergen Wikipedia page can be made as perfect as some American Singer Wikipedia pages. I am trying to help to improve this page, I am BSA-Certified Professional, so I need to understand your analysis of the problem here. Again, to reiterate, I am detecting implied Racism and Bigotry in this decision, and I would ask that you provide information that justifies your disregard of valid sourced information.
I will be blunt regarding the Dimash Kudaibergen Range and relative reference Links. There seems to be no apparent problem with the ranges and reference links of American / British / Christian singers, is this censorship because he is a Kazakhstani or Muslim? And, the relevance regarding blatant Racism and Censorship intensifies, if referenced to the fact that [Drmies] had previously removed renowned Kazakhstan newspapers, and [Drmies] had previously removed links of The Official Website of the Federal Government of the Republic of Kazakhstan from the reference links, by claiming that they were not trustworthy. I mean, no disrespect, but the implications of Ethnic intolerance by [Drmies] applied to this Wiki page seems very apparent to me. In addition, I'd like to point out that this page is very well sourced for Wikipedia standards. I would appreciate an intelligent response and not “Blocking” me, would indicate your genuine approach to work together to resolve these issues. Truocnipbaec ( talk) 01:12, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Drmies Hmm why are you doing that now? (Re-adding all templates that had already got removed, completely removing his vocal range from Wikipedia and changing the lead to "he is "nicknamed the Six Octave Man")? With all due respect: This is really getting a little suspicious tbh... And Dimash is not generally nicknamed the "Six Octave Man", that was just the nick name that was used on the 3 episodes of The World's Best he appeared in in 2019. And why did you say in the edit history that you did it because the used reference links didn't mention his range at all and only said that his nickname was "Six Octave Man"? That's, once again, not true. Here's a quote from one of the two used reference links: "The 25-year-old singer from Kazakhstan is known for his wide vocal range of six octaves, from D2 to D8 (and 6 octaves and 5 semitones, from A1 to D8, including chest voice with vocal fry)." With all due respect: Did you even read them? And I sent you dozens of articles yesterday (and I can send you even more) mentioning his range, and told you you could choose the article you personally preferred and I would add it. Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 19:17, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Hello
El C!
I'm soo sorry to bother you, but can you maybe tell me what is going on here? ...and what I can do about it? This is very confusing (and doesn't make a lot of sense imo tbh), and is kind of hurtful...
Jasmin Ariane (
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19:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Drmies Oh, and with all due respect: It's not true that there are mainly primary sources used, there are hardly any. There indeed were some, but I spend many, many hours in the last months to replace them, and except for maybe appr. 3 I have already replaced all of them (and I will, of course, also replace the very few left). Here are literally all sources used in this article. I listed all of them for you (in the order of appearance in the article):
HuffPost, Caspian News, Asian Broadcast Union, KAZinform, The Astana Times, Sputnik News Kazakhstan, NUR Kazahstan, Caravan News Kazakhstan, Radio Azattyq Russia, Oblast Maslikhat News, Baribar Kazakhstan, DKN World News, Avestnik News Kazakhstan, Neonomad News Kazakhstan, Musical News Italia, Minsk News, Global Times China, QQ News, New Times Kazakhstan, Central Asian Media News, AI News Kazakhstan, Khabar Kazakhstan, Diapazon Kazakhstan, The Regional Government of Aktobe, Kazakhstan, Federal Government of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Tengri News, Slavianski Bazaar, Meteo News Belarus, TUT Belarus, China Daily, Kazakh TV News, KazakhUni, European Broadcasting Union, Narodni News Maribor, Baige News Kazakhstan, Belarus News, Bala Dausy, Kursiv Journal Kazakkhstan, Seldon News Russia, Pravda Kazakhstan, The Presidential Office of the Republic of Kazakhstan, SOHU News China, CGTN News, KTK Kazakhstan, Grate News China, Inform Buro Kazakhstan, Wangyi China, Tencent News, 365 Info Kazakhstan, Sina News China, KK News China, Kaisa Culture & Sports News, Central Asia Monitor, Lenta Inform Kazakhstan, MTV Taiwan, Massaget New Kazakhstan, Pavlodar News Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan Express, Dvevnik News Croatia, CCTV, Zhunluan News China, BGENT China, WAP News Online, BBC UK, BBC News Kyrgyz, Candid Magazine, 1883 Magazine, TASS Russia, Alamy News, InterMedia, Minsitry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Mango TV News, Forbes Magazine Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan 24, MeaWWW, Talent Recap, Cinema Blend, Carter Matt, Skuky Net Russia, Times Kazakhstan, Khabar 24, KNews Kyrgyzstan, CT Belarus, QazaqUni, Kazakhstan Time, Aktobe Administration, World People News China, L'Officiel, People China, Ifeng News China, Silu News China, Stan Kazakhstan, The Russian Academy of Music, The World News, Gutseriev Media Russia, Novosti Express Russia, Esquire Kazakhstan, Forum Daily, Music Trespass, Yandex News Russia, ILO Kazakhstan, Otyrar Kazakhstan, Yvision Russia, The Regional Government of Uralsk, Kazakhstan, Moy Gorod Russia, Zaman Are We, Tilshi News Kazakhstan, Ibirzha News Kazakhstan, Today Kazakhstan, Chozan China, ULT Kazakhstan, Rednet China, SBS News Kazakhstan, Shanghai Pet Adoption Day, The Diplomat Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 20:08, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Dear
Drmies, its exceptionally wide vocal range is one of if not THE most evident characteristic of Kudaibergen's voice and thus definitely deserves to be mentioned in the article. I understand that reliable secondary sources would be needed to verify the lower and the upper bound of his diapason, but the mere fact that it's exceptionally wide cannot be seriously disputed. Everyone can listen to a random performance of Kudaibergen's to convince themselves it's true. Why do you insist on a secondary source verifying that statement while other equally or even less obvious statements — such as him being male or from Kazakhstan — are accepted without that kind of proof? What's wrong with including a sentence such as "Kudaibergen has [or: is known to have] an exceptionally wide vocal range" in the article's introduction without a reference being given when there's only a single person in this part of the Milky Way
who actually disputes that statement?
Greetings to Mrs. Drmies and your growling son, I hope he's better now!
Beihilfebeleg (
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15:25, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
There's a slippery slope here: since a series of editors seem to have no problem inserting their own research into this article, we now have 120k of stuff, much of which trivial and improperly verified, from metal growls to speaking or singing 12 languages or whatever. And that is why the article is tagged for poor sourcing and for being a fan site. Drmies ( talk) 15:33, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not intending to fight you or get on your nerves, but a Wikipedia article about Kudaibergen without his diapason even being mentioned is like a Wikipedia article about Donald Trump without any indication he's the current POTUS.
Like you, I'm also wondering why it's so hard to find a secondary source about a musicological analysis of Kudaibergen's voice. Most probably there are some reliable sources in Kazakh, Russian, or Mandarin none of us editors are aware of, and we'll definitely continue searching for them. For the time being, however, I'm still convinced a low-key wording such as "Kudaibergen has an exceptionally wide vocal range" (not mentioning how wide exactly) should make it to the article's intro even without a secondary source having been cited yet.
Cheers, Beihilfebeleg ( talk) 16:28, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Drmies, I've been a silent reader here for a while, and the used reference links were absolutely fine. Also: there is a list of numerous further links on this very Talk Page that includes many further suitable links you could have chosen from. There was no objective reason to remove the information.
Oh, and this singer is known for his vocal range of six octaves.Not including this is irrational and immensely lowers the informational quality of the article. Kind regards, Petra ~~ — Preceding
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213.147.164.228 (
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19:00, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
And your argumentation is highly questionable. You said you removed his range because you needed to remove 2 (of the more than 10) links in this article that include his vocal range. And your argument was the following: That these 2 articles didn't include his range but only called him "Six Octave Man"; And that this doesn't mean and that the authors don't want to say by that that he has six octaves. I reaaally try to be as polite as possible, but I can't find another word for it. This is ridiculous. 1) An article with the title "‘The Six Octave Man’ Astounds With His Range On ‘The World’s Best’" that also includes "The 24-year-old singer said in his intro video that when his voice deepened as he got older, he was able to retain his high pitch." does absolutely not want to say that this singer has a 6 octave range. Sure. Logical. Congratulations. 2) The second article included the following sentence: "The 25-year-old singer from Kazakhstan is known for his wide vocal range [...] of 6 octaves and 5 semitones, from A1 to D8 [...]). " Yet, you lied on both the talk page and in the edit summary and said that the used sources didn't say anything about his vocal range. And you are not interested in the many, many other suitable sources that were offered to you either. Why do you do that? And why do you keep removing legitimate content? I am sorry, but it is more than obvious that you are not objective. And the fact that you are fine with all the wrong and unsourced ranges in other articles that were shown to you, and reject to remove (any of) them, but remove legitimate and highly relevant sourced content from this page doesn't make it look better. 190.46.74.201 ( talk) 00:10, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Drmies And why did you remove the growling from the page by claiming that the used source was just a video showing someone growling? That's, once again, not true. It was a Sputnik News Kazakhstan article saying that he growled, both in the text and even in the title (linked with a report about a press conference Kudaibergen took part in). An article saying that he growled is a suitable source for growling. (Which he, btw, does in all of his concerts). I would be very glad, if you could answer (preferably in a neutral way). Thank you very much in advance. Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 08:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
a. do you think that for technical musical information we should cite publications that specialize in music, or that we should cite state-run media organizations such as Sputnik (news agency) ("frequently described as a Russian propaganda outlet"), who have a vested interest in supporting and promoting artists who sing nice nationalist songs and promote their country's agenda?
b. can you please explain that when someone growls, or is said to growl, it is to be taken as using "vocal styles and techniques" of metal? My son wants to know; he was growling yesterday.
c. When he growls, can you please specify which metal we're talking about? Maybe the article does? There are 38 types of metal listed in Category:Heavy metal genres--surely your source, if it's reliable and knowledgeable, is precise and accurate. That is, your source does say, right, that he growled and thus showed he was using "vocal styles and techniques" of metal?
My last, more general, question is this: should we on Wikipedia put in our opinions and interpretations, or should we go with what reliable and knowledgeable sources say?
BTW I started a new section for this, since it got so big it might crash someone's computer. And I'm going to ask for some input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music; I'm sure there's a few metalheads there who can help out. Drmies ( talk) 13:38, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
I really don't mean to be disrespectful, but you are absolutely unnecessarily overcomplicating and things, and please don't act like you have no idea about music, I really respect you, but this is not necessary.
Also: There are not 38 types of metal. Maybe if you count in each subgenre of each subgenre... However, the demand of a subgenre classification of growls is redundant. All kinds of growls are very similar (both technique- and soundwise) and all subgenres of metal include all of them (except for the few metal genres in which growls are very unusual, such as Power Metal). No growling styles are limited to a certain subgenre. The question alone shows that you are not informed about this genre and are trying to artifically make something up that isn't there.
And just to let you know: I'm a singer in a choir, but also singer in a metal band.
(And you will see that many of those who follow Dimash Kudaibergen's career are musicians themselves (of many different genres because he attracts people from different fields due to his vocal versatility; and growls are absolutely part of his vocal repertoire, he does them in all of his concerts; and he is not a mainstream singer with catchy tunes, this is a extremely skilled singer with an extremely big vocal range, which is why especially musicians (singers and voice teachers) follow him).
By the way, I saw that on this talk page here there is also a list with video examples of the mentioned styles. If you click the links under "Other influences: Growls (metal)" you see 2 vocal coach analyses of one of his growls, both vocal coaches (and one of them is an internationally well-known metal vocal coach) say that this is a metal growl.
What else should it be? GROWLING IS A METAL TECHNIQUE.
...which is why "metal growl" is actually a tautology.
I'd additionally like to say that this article stands out compared to the vast majority of articles about singers in a very positive way. It is neutrally written, and it is exceptionally well-sourced. Neither your removals not the templates were justified.
On top of that, genres and styles of singers do not even necessarily need sources. And in almost all singers' articles, there aren't any for genres and styles. THIS article is a positive exception.
And just to let you know: calling Sputnik News Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan's most popular daily newspaper (which is by the way NOT Sputnik News Russia) indirectly a propaganda medium is not only unnecessary, that is outrageous. Yes, I'm sure they just called a growl a "growl" in an article about a press conference because of a conspiracy to boost the artist. (And on top of that this is, of course, even aiming to boost his popularity in foreign countries whose inhabitants do not even speak the language the article is written in.) This really makes sense. I really try my best to be as respectful as possible. I really, really do. But you don't make it very easy.
190.46.74.201 (
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23:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Just to let everyone know
I started shortening the article a while I go, but I'll need to shorten it more. I'm currently trying to get in contact with those who created the page, because I don't want to make them feel like their work is being "destroyed" without them even knowing why and without having a say in what is most important and should not be removed,
Jasmin Ariane (
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16:14, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
As people complained about the missing Trivia section, shall we maybe bring it back...? I don't know why it was removed, but imo there was no necessity to do so. I would e.g. understand, if the modeling paragraph needed to be shortened or if a few reference links needed to be replaced, but I personally don't see a reason, why the Trivia section as a whole shouldn't be here.
The "Dears" are mentioned in so many articles about Dimash, so it's apparently of public interest. Also that he was voted among the "100 Most Handsome Faces" is mentioned in most articles that include some kind of short biography about him. The modeling topic is mentioned in less articles, but it's still not really rare, and the documentaries are not often mentioned in articles about him, but, on the other hand, documentaries about a living person are probably always a legit part of a Wikipedia article. Hmm.
Does anyone else have an opinion on this?
This is what the "original" Trivia section would look like (without any changes so far, but it would be, of course, possible to e.g. shorten it ):
"Kudaibergen calls his fans "Dears", [1] which he explains in his own words as follows: “They are so devoted and give me so much support! So they are very dear to me. They are like family to me. Just as we love every member of the family, I love and cherish my fans and call them my dears.” [2]
Kudaibergen was voted among "The 100 Most Handsome Faces" by international independent critics in 2017 and 2018. [3]
Kudaibergen has been a model [4] for fashion labels [5] [6] and for Lifestyle and Fashion magazines. He was on the magazine covers of Men's Health, [7] Southern Metropolis, [7] Starbox, [8] Easy, [9] L’Officiel Hommes, [10] Ivyplume, [11] Chic, [12] Chic Teen, [13] and Elle. [14] He was featured in further photo series of many other magazines, including Cosmopolitan, [15] OnlyLady, [16] and Men's Wear, [17] and had video shoots for e.g. Elle Shop, [18] Cosmopolitan [19] and the Esentai Mall. [20]
Several documentaries have already been made about Kudaibergen. "Great Dimash" was released in 2017 by the Kazakh TV channel Khabar TV. [21] [22] In 2017 also the Chinese TV channel Hunan TV aired a documentary about Kudaibergen, with the title "The Singer". [23] [24] In 2019 Qazaqstan TV aired its documentary "Dimash".” [25] [26] "
Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 20:13, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Edit: I just saw that the Wiki article for the Esentai Mall had been removed in the meantime... Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 20:14, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
I've read that article before several sections got removed and also after that. Yes, the amount of details was excessive and some were just irrelevant fluff, but unfortunately relevant things got removed, too, and it bothered me since then. I even copied parts of the deleted stuff to my Sandbox with the intention to maybe re-adding it later in a more Wikipedia-suitable form.
I'd suggest following:
- Add a new section "Modeling" and put the handsome faces (2017, 2018 and 2019; I think, he was among them again last year) and the model jobs there. Maybe adding "model" as one of his occupations should be considered, too, if he regularly or semi-regularly does model jobs and not just did the mentioned ones.
- Add a new section "Filmography" and put the documentaries there and also the short play (I don't remember the title, but the short music movie was about boxing)
- Add a new section "Tours, Concerts and Performances" and put there a link to (a new article to create) "List of concerts and performances of Dimash Kudaibergen". I have the old list in my sandbox and will remove all the other stuff like talk shows and interviews and leave only Date, Event, TV Channel and Song(s). However, I don't know most of his performances since then, because I'm not a member of any fan clubs, neither his nor other singers, and don't collect data about them, so someone else would have to add that.
- I have yet no idea, how to add the "Dears". Maybe in "Trivia" section again...
MeUnknown010 (
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04:01, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Jasmin Ariane I checked it and found out, that "BLPs should not have trivia sections."
Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Tone, so it will always get removed. But I don't understand, why the admin didn't simply inform you about that, instead of fighting here with the users :(
- No one assumes, that he gets invited as a singer because of a pretty face. Just as no one assumes, that he gets invited as a singer because he plays piano. He is internationally known as a singer and not as a pianist or a model. What he likes more is irrelevant, he still does 3 things (singing/playing/modeling), but that doesn't change the fact, that singing is his main occupation and what he is known for.
- Music videos don't belong in "Filmography" section, which is for movies, variety shows, documentaries and the like. Music Videos are a separate "Videography" section, which could be added to his "Discography" page.
- Concerts broadcasted on TV are not "Filmography", either, but belong to "List of Tours, Concerts and Performances" (there is no such page for him yet) and that it was broadcasted could be mentioned there as Remark.
MeUnknown010 (
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22:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Documentaries about Kudaibergen | ||||
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Year | TV channel | English Title | Original Title | Language |
2019 | Qazaqstan TV | DIMASH [27] [28] | DIMASH | Russian and Kazakh |
2017 | Khabar TV | Great Dimash [29] [30] | Kazakh: Дүлдүл Димаш (Düldül Dimash) | Kazakh |
2017 | Hunan TV | The Singer [31] [32] | Chinese: 歌手 (Gēshǒu) | Mandarin and Kazakh |
Acting roles | |||||||
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Year | Production type | TV channel | English Title | Original Title | Language | Role | Remarks |
2019 | TV Musical | NTV | 1001 Nights, Territory of Love [33] [34] | Russian: 1001 ночь, или Территория любви (1001 noch', ili Territoriya lyubvi) | Russian | Supporting role (a Middle Eastern prince) | Featured Kudaibergen's song "Love of Tired Swans"; the lyrics of all featured songs were written by the Russian poet Mikail Gutseriev |
2018 | Short Movie | Hunan TV | PhantaCity [35] [36] | PhantaCity | Mandarin and English | Main role (a boxer) | Featured Kudaibergen's songs "If I Never Breathe Again" and "When You Believe" |
2017 | TV Show (an episode) | iQiyi | My Boyfriend's A Superstar/Fan Fan Boyfriend [37] [38] | Chinese: 饭饭男友 (Fàn fàn nányǒu) | Mandarin and Kazakh | Main role (a fan's boyfriend) |
Best wishes, Jasmin Ariane ( talk) 12:01, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
I have made Comments in the "What is Happening to this Page" and "Trivia sections". I felt important to make a note under "Bringing back the Trivia section". As, I have stated in the above mentioned paragraphs, I am concerned about the implied prejudiced deletions and revisions being made by a certain Admin, and perhaps others. I mean, no disrespect, but the implications of intolerance applied to this Wiki page seems very apparent to me. And, the same intolerance is NOT applied to Wikipedia pages of other Singers. It is important that information be applied within Wikipedia guidelines and that is understood. But, when information is unceremoniously butchered and/or removed.. the prejudice is not implied.. It is obvious. Again, my apologies, If I seem to be conveying a harsh assessment of bigotry. The Triva section should be returned with the understanding the text meets the Wikipedia guidelines.
Truocnipbaec (
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22:31, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
References
How does Wikipedia handle cases where a claim is sourced, but the source might be wrong?
This article claims Dimash has absolute pitch, referencing 2 sources. The 1st source in fact doesn't support this claim at all. It only says young child Dimash could repeat a melody played to him, which is pretty much the opposite of what absolute pitch means. So I'd propose deleting that reference, at least, as it doesn't support the claim.
The 2nd source does indeed say he has absolute pitch. But is this really true? Does anything qualify for Wikipedia if someone on the internet wrote it and we can reference it?
The thing is, there is a YT video, where Dimash is waiting for the show to begin - stage hands are still sweeping the floor, sound engineers are setting up their stuff and Dimash is bored. So he idly starts singing a bit. And because he's uber-alien Dimash of course he sings a bit of Mozart's Queen of the Night aria (at 1:37) - just one of the most infamously difficult pieces for female sopranos - sure, why not... 8-) After I stopped hyperventilating I became curious if he did sing it in the original key. So I checked what his highest note was, which would've been F6 in the original. I don't have absolute pitch, so I used Audacity to check. Which told me he sang 1030 Hz there, pretty much in the middle between B5 (994.5 Hz) and C6 (1053.6 Hz, assuming Russian tuning): he sang off-key, hitting the 'void' between 'official' notes.
So when Dimash has no instruments as a reference, as was the case here, he just sings some tone (like 96% of all musicians do), he seems not to be among those rare 4% of musicians with absolute pitch, who can identify any note e.g. C6 without need of e.g. a tuning fork for reference.
So I think this claim in the current article is wrong. Any thoughts? -- 93.237.6.242 ( talk) 02:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
The fandom had been added to a totally random position in the Career section by the creators of the List of fandom names Wiki article ( Þjarkur ( talk · contribs)). It really made no sense there. I didn't know where to put it, discussed it with some others and made an own headline for the fandom. In my opinion not ideal, but I assume it will do until hopefully a better section will be created (for example Public image). I also replaced the reference link with better ones. 85.127.165.38 ( talk) 09:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Official news website (en) uses form Dimash Qudaibergen so should´t it be used here too? Also Facebook, Twitter and YouTube uses Qudaibergen. Ärrännä ( talk) 09:42, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
He performed at various festivals and projects last year that have not yet been added to his 2021 career section. for example, the new wave 2021 festival where he served as a judge and also released three of his most popular songs (ave maria,stranger,fly away) or his participation in super shine brothers. or his performance at the silk road international festival where he released a new song(God and Earth as a witness)or his music video for the song Ómir Óter on Kazakhstan Independence Day. I can go on but I think these are the most important ones also I believe his song fly away reach second place for several weeks on Billboard's Hot Trending Songs. also, Dimash and Igor released a joint album called ("DIMASH KUDAYBERGEN I IGOR KRUTOY") I think it should add to his discography since he released it on his Spotify I don't know what is a reliable source for adding this information. can we use http://en.dimashnews.com/ ? my English isn't that great. I would be happy if someone add this information with sources also I believe he hit g6 in head voice( or maybe whistle) at his recent Dubai concert thank you for reading Mehran uy1 ( talk) 20:40, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
I haven't read about the song Dimash did during the height of Pandemic. How he is so concerned about the world situation. This song is an eye opener for us to be united amidst worldwide problem.
Also, another epic song War and Peace, Dimash is not just an ordinary singer/performer. He performs with depth. An he is an endorser of World Peace. 136.158.10.125 ( talk) 02:24, 18 September 2022 (UTC)