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Article is entirely cluttered with excessive text, Bartallen2 seems to think any newsworthy event is suitable for inclusion, although that is not the case per WP:NOTNEWS and also seems to believe any source that mentions him is worthy of being included in the article along with some text before the citation, although once again WP:NOTDIARY is not appropriate. This article contained nearly 70,000 characters (that's more than Larry Holmes article) on a guy who has achieved nothing in boxing. Now before I touched the article there was already a note at the top that stated "may not reflect the encyclopedic tone used on Wikipedia." as I suspect some promotion might be going on here. I removed text on the basis of WP policy, yet that has been contested for Bartallen2's own personal reason. LuckyLeftyy ( talk) 00:07, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I respect your inclusion; however I've only reverted the editing for the 'drug ban' and 'sparring' sections, due to the importance within the actual Wikipedia page and detail, for the most part, is paramount; as are most sections on Wikipedia relating to some form of drug-scandal (as I took inspiration from Dwain Chambers' Wikipedia entry), and there isn't exactly an "encyclopedic tone" merely clarification of details, and you suspect promotion? -.- Most of the alterations you did prior were without justification on a level of specificity. 70,000 characters which include kickboxing, mixed-martial arts and amateur boxing, mind you -- Bartallen2 ( talk) 00:15, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Deal, LuckyLeftyy :3 Even though I did remove all of the journalism-esque styles to both the 'professional career' and 'return to boxing' sections which I admit were a bit too cumbersome. But the lead, currently, only contains his ranking within the British Heavyweight scene; and the kickboxing section was something I was inspired with regard to the structure of the Vitali Klitschko and Alexander Povektin's highlight section, especially with regard to Whyte's title bouts. Many thanks Leftyy ^_^ But regarding his amateur boxing section, does the despite with regard to the ABA, have to go? -- Bartallen2 ( talk) 21:22, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
The fight against Balogh is listed as a win it was voided and should not be listed as a win. It should be listed in the results as a NC or Void. A win is wrong as the authorities have said he was cheating at the time due to PEDs in his system from a supplement. 91.110.126.37 ( talk) 10:28, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
It says he was born in April 1988 and that he moved to the UK in the 1990s at the age of 12. He would have been 12 between April 11, 2000 and April 10, 2001.
So either he didn't move when he was 12 or he moved at the start of the millennium, not in the 1990s.
The link says 1990s but doesn't say the age of 12. Should we take that out or is there another ref?
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Dilllian Whyte lost by KO and not TKO, please refer to https://combatmuseum.com/what-is-the-difference-between-a-ko-and-a-tko-in-boxing-mma/#:~:text=The%20difference%20is%20that%20a,defend%20themselves%20by%20the%20referee.
It states that 'The difference is that a KO (Knockout) occurs when the fighter is knocked unconscious, while a TKO (Technical Knockout) occurs when the fighter is still conscious but is deemed unable to intelligently defend themselves by the referee'
Please also refer to when Manny Pacquiao lost to Marquez in Dec 2012. Pacquiao was stopped under the same circumsates as Whyte and he lost by KO (as shown on his WIKI page)
Dillian Whyte also won the WBC Diamond Belt, alongside the WBC Interim Title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaizackjohnson ( talk • contribs) 19:59, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Just to point out, firstly this was in Gibraltar so wasn't fought under the auspices of the BBBofC, and secondly, Diamante consistently makes up his own outcomes (e.g. RSF, RSC) which often don't tally with the official outcomes. -- Michig ( talk) 07:33, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Please include this section on Dillians article. It is a great achievement, especially for the BAME community in Britain.
In commemoration of his fight with Povetkin in their rematch, the Gibraltan government issued a £2 coin (usable in the UK, as is the case with all countries who use UK Sterling) with Dillian Whytes face on it.
Officially, Dillian Whyte has now become the first ever non-white or ethnic minority person to ever feature on UK Sterling currency. No other non-white or ethnic minority person has ever featured on UK Sterling.
I edited his page, but someone removed this due to it not being sourced. Here are some sources:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/56429446
https://see.news/dillian-whyte-alexander-povetkin-feature-on-gibraltar-2-coin/
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/851113/hearn-gibraltar-government-coin-povetkin-whyte-rematch/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaizackjohnson ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Is it /ˈdɪlɪən/ ( DILI-ən) or /ˈdɪlən/ ( DIL-ən)? I keep hearing both, but how does the man himself say it? Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 17:08, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Lot of edit warring over this. The problem is interpretation of sources, and when to be selective. By most definitions, and mainstream media, that's a straight-up KO. The ref waved it off, Whyte was out cold in the most literal sense, no count. I don't know if it's David Diamante reading his cards wrong, or someone from the BBBofC (or their Gibraltarian equivalent) was drunk that night, but what on Earth is a "technical count-out"? It was identical to other contemporary one-punch KOs like Álvarez–Khan or Márquez–Pacquiao IV, none of which anyone would ever dream of listing as a TKO.
BoxRec, of course, loves to muddy the waters. They correctly list Povetkin–Whyte as a KO, but inexplicably list Froch–Groves II as a TKO. Another weird one is them listing Stevenson–Dawson as a KO, when Dawson was stopped on his feet. I don't have anything to suggest in terms of resolving this, but I can totally see why every man and their dog is changing it to a KO, when it literally was. Unfortunately, Diamante proves to be the definitive source with his bizarre call.. and sources are everything on here. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 18:18, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
It's not actually the dreadlock master making things up. BBBofC have their own versions of results, one of which is TCO (shown in section 3.33.3).
We shouldn't rely on BoxRec for type of stoppage as they make up their own rules on how to list them (eg. if a fight is stopped within the first 15 seconds of round 4 (TKO/KO) it's recorded as a 3rd-round RTD), and as you pointed out they're not always consistent (they've changed it from KO to TKO and back again multiple times). I don't think media sources are reliable in this case either as they routinely list TKOs as KOs. Considering TCO was the official announcement and the result is verified by BBBofC regulations, I think the best option is to stick with that.
On a very related note, this is a similar situation we have with California's 3-knockdowns-in-the-same-round rule; we record them as KOs even when the guy is wide awake. I disagree with the method but agree we should list their official result. – 2. O. Boxing 09:49, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Since we're now including varying results for Whyte and David Price's NC fights—that is, favouring the NC and relegating the win/loss to a lesser accepted result—shouldn't we do the same for Tyson Fury and the Christian Hammer fight? It's the exact same circumstances. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 12:28, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
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Article is entirely cluttered with excessive text, Bartallen2 seems to think any newsworthy event is suitable for inclusion, although that is not the case per WP:NOTNEWS and also seems to believe any source that mentions him is worthy of being included in the article along with some text before the citation, although once again WP:NOTDIARY is not appropriate. This article contained nearly 70,000 characters (that's more than Larry Holmes article) on a guy who has achieved nothing in boxing. Now before I touched the article there was already a note at the top that stated "may not reflect the encyclopedic tone used on Wikipedia." as I suspect some promotion might be going on here. I removed text on the basis of WP policy, yet that has been contested for Bartallen2's own personal reason. LuckyLeftyy ( talk) 00:07, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I respect your inclusion; however I've only reverted the editing for the 'drug ban' and 'sparring' sections, due to the importance within the actual Wikipedia page and detail, for the most part, is paramount; as are most sections on Wikipedia relating to some form of drug-scandal (as I took inspiration from Dwain Chambers' Wikipedia entry), and there isn't exactly an "encyclopedic tone" merely clarification of details, and you suspect promotion? -.- Most of the alterations you did prior were without justification on a level of specificity. 70,000 characters which include kickboxing, mixed-martial arts and amateur boxing, mind you -- Bartallen2 ( talk) 00:15, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Deal, LuckyLeftyy :3 Even though I did remove all of the journalism-esque styles to both the 'professional career' and 'return to boxing' sections which I admit were a bit too cumbersome. But the lead, currently, only contains his ranking within the British Heavyweight scene; and the kickboxing section was something I was inspired with regard to the structure of the Vitali Klitschko and Alexander Povektin's highlight section, especially with regard to Whyte's title bouts. Many thanks Leftyy ^_^ But regarding his amateur boxing section, does the despite with regard to the ABA, have to go? -- Bartallen2 ( talk) 21:22, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
The fight against Balogh is listed as a win it was voided and should not be listed as a win. It should be listed in the results as a NC or Void. A win is wrong as the authorities have said he was cheating at the time due to PEDs in his system from a supplement. 91.110.126.37 ( talk) 10:28, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
It says he was born in April 1988 and that he moved to the UK in the 1990s at the age of 12. He would have been 12 between April 11, 2000 and April 10, 2001.
So either he didn't move when he was 12 or he moved at the start of the millennium, not in the 1990s.
The link says 1990s but doesn't say the age of 12. Should we take that out or is there another ref?
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51.7.169.242 ( talk) 20:03, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Dilllian Whyte lost by KO and not TKO, please refer to https://combatmuseum.com/what-is-the-difference-between-a-ko-and-a-tko-in-boxing-mma/#:~:text=The%20difference%20is%20that%20a,defend%20themselves%20by%20the%20referee.
It states that 'The difference is that a KO (Knockout) occurs when the fighter is knocked unconscious, while a TKO (Technical Knockout) occurs when the fighter is still conscious but is deemed unable to intelligently defend themselves by the referee'
Please also refer to when Manny Pacquiao lost to Marquez in Dec 2012. Pacquiao was stopped under the same circumsates as Whyte and he lost by KO (as shown on his WIKI page)
Dillian Whyte also won the WBC Diamond Belt, alongside the WBC Interim Title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaizackjohnson ( talk • contribs) 19:59, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Just to point out, firstly this was in Gibraltar so wasn't fought under the auspices of the BBBofC, and secondly, Diamante consistently makes up his own outcomes (e.g. RSF, RSC) which often don't tally with the official outcomes. -- Michig ( talk) 07:33, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Please include this section on Dillians article. It is a great achievement, especially for the BAME community in Britain.
In commemoration of his fight with Povetkin in their rematch, the Gibraltan government issued a £2 coin (usable in the UK, as is the case with all countries who use UK Sterling) with Dillian Whytes face on it.
Officially, Dillian Whyte has now become the first ever non-white or ethnic minority person to ever feature on UK Sterling currency. No other non-white or ethnic minority person has ever featured on UK Sterling.
I edited his page, but someone removed this due to it not being sourced. Here are some sources:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/56429446
https://see.news/dillian-whyte-alexander-povetkin-feature-on-gibraltar-2-coin/
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/851113/hearn-gibraltar-government-coin-povetkin-whyte-rematch/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaizackjohnson ( talk • contribs) 16:44, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Is it /ˈdɪlɪən/ ( DILI-ən) or /ˈdɪlən/ ( DIL-ən)? I keep hearing both, but how does the man himself say it? Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 17:08, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Lot of edit warring over this. The problem is interpretation of sources, and when to be selective. By most definitions, and mainstream media, that's a straight-up KO. The ref waved it off, Whyte was out cold in the most literal sense, no count. I don't know if it's David Diamante reading his cards wrong, or someone from the BBBofC (or their Gibraltarian equivalent) was drunk that night, but what on Earth is a "technical count-out"? It was identical to other contemporary one-punch KOs like Álvarez–Khan or Márquez–Pacquiao IV, none of which anyone would ever dream of listing as a TKO.
BoxRec, of course, loves to muddy the waters. They correctly list Povetkin–Whyte as a KO, but inexplicably list Froch–Groves II as a TKO. Another weird one is them listing Stevenson–Dawson as a KO, when Dawson was stopped on his feet. I don't have anything to suggest in terms of resolving this, but I can totally see why every man and their dog is changing it to a KO, when it literally was. Unfortunately, Diamante proves to be the definitive source with his bizarre call.. and sources are everything on here. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 18:18, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
It's not actually the dreadlock master making things up. BBBofC have their own versions of results, one of which is TCO (shown in section 3.33.3).
We shouldn't rely on BoxRec for type of stoppage as they make up their own rules on how to list them (eg. if a fight is stopped within the first 15 seconds of round 4 (TKO/KO) it's recorded as a 3rd-round RTD), and as you pointed out they're not always consistent (they've changed it from KO to TKO and back again multiple times). I don't think media sources are reliable in this case either as they routinely list TKOs as KOs. Considering TCO was the official announcement and the result is verified by BBBofC regulations, I think the best option is to stick with that.
On a very related note, this is a similar situation we have with California's 3-knockdowns-in-the-same-round rule; we record them as KOs even when the guy is wide awake. I disagree with the method but agree we should list their official result. – 2. O. Boxing 09:49, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
Since we're now including varying results for Whyte and David Price's NC fights—that is, favouring the NC and relegating the win/loss to a lesser accepted result—shouldn't we do the same for Tyson Fury and the Christian Hammer fight? It's the exact same circumstances. Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 12:28, 19 February 2023 (UTC)