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How long should a person wait until having sexual intercourse, after a dilationa and curettage is performed
Should the first external link below be removed? It has nothing to do with D&C, but rather abortion, which is rarely in the form of D&C. It's also a site promoting illegal, unsafe DIY abortions.-- Dub8lad1 20:15, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
It gives full directions to how a D&C is performed. That's a lot of relevant information. It belongs here. Al 23:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I totally agree. The first link needs to be removed because it is dangerous to women. I'm also not sure that the statistics on the prevalence of D&C abortions are correct. The surgery complication at the end of the article also seems biased because it does not mention how extremely rare a complication like that is. An abortion is the safest medical procedure on the planet.
Is it just me, or does this article seem to be focused on abortion. AS far as I know, a D&C is not often, if at all used for removal of a live fetus at least not in this day and age. This proceedure is used primarily for removal of products of conception from a miscarriage, and is a life saving medical proceedure. I think this article may not fairly represent the primary use of this proceedure, and may cause undue grief for women having to go through this proceedure if the article focuses on removal of a living fetus. rmosler 22:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi all,
I'd like to hear opinions about the removal of this link.
Especially from who has removed it and from who objects its removal.
Thank you and happy editing,
Snowolf (talk) CON COI - 21:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
(undent) I object to including this information at all. Anyone who wants to search the web for it can do so. However, in the wrong hands, this information could be extremely dangerous. We don't have do-it-yourself surgery links at any of the other articles regarding surgical procedures that I checked, we shouldn't link such instructions here either. Joie de Vivre 19:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Should I close the mediation as failed? It doesn't seems that the party can found a mediation.
Snowolf
(talk)
CON
COI -
15:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you all for expressing your opinions. I have to say that mediation is an informal process, nothing mandatory. Wikipedia isn't censored. The text is from a reliable source. I cannot help further. Also, nobody must do an apology. You apology if you think you should. I'll monitor the dispute and start contributing to the article as normal editor, not as mediator. Unfortunately, I have to close the case, since the parts cannot come to a compromise. Snowolf (talk) CON COI - 09:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
There is some discussion at Talk:Dilation and evacuation#A bit of a problem about procedure names, and what they are used for (abortion vs. miscarriage) that might end up being relevant to this article. Lyrl Talk C 17:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I've altered this section in several ways:
Lyrl
Talk
C
22:56, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure where to begin, there is so much to say. First of all, Asherman's syndrome IS the same thing as intrauterine adhesions. It is very disconcerting to say the least, that people making edits about this do not even know this.
Actually, D&C refers to a range of techniques from sharp curette to manual vacuum aspiration, as is mentioned in the article itself!As I mention below, most Drs use both sharp and suction curette to perform an evacuation.
The Weeks article is not talking about MVA- the study is about MVA, however they stats they provide in the Intro for worldwide induced abortion is a combination of D&Cs, definitely not MVA since this technology is not available in many countries.
Please do not remove citations which support scientific data. It is not ok to remove something someone has added just because you are not able to access the references which support the statements, or because you felt I was mistaken about a separate issue. As a scientist I have access to these articles with statistics on Asherman's. I've re-added the stats.
Just so you all know, I have no political agenda (pro choice or life) but I do want to raise women's awareness about the risks of D&C/suction D&C/MVA regardless of what situation is was used in. Asherman's sydrome is certainly not the rare condition it has been made out to be, and the highly credible statistics that I've quoted support this statement. I'm sure you are all realize there are alternatives to D&C such as misoprostol etc. which can be used in all situations a D&C is used in.
I can't understand why the subheadings for clinical uses have been removed. According to this entrance the only thing D&C is/was used for is abortion (elective abortion) which is complete nonsense.
Lastly, there is no evidence that suction D&C or MVA are safer in terms of Asherman's risks than sharp curette. I've added one reference. The rate of Asherman's is actually increasing even though sharp curette has mostly been replaced by suction D&C. Most Drs also use a variety of techniques for the same procedure. Again, if anyone has any doubts about this info I'm happy to forward emails from top world experts on Asherman's syndrome who personally answered this question last week. Floranerolia ( talk) 06:46, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
See page 32 of document: The preferred surgical technique for abortion up to 12 completed weeks of pregnancy is vacuum aspiration.
"The risk of Asherman's syndrome was found to be 30.9% in women who had D&C following a missed miscarriage"
What is meant by 'missed miscarriage'? 71.111.23.79 ( talk) 01:44, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Any idea what language the recently added videos are in? I don't recognize the alphabet that is used, although the narration sounds Asian. Lyrl Talk C 15:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Most wikipedia pages have a nice picture at the top to give you a visual of the subject matter so I don't have to waste my time reading. I'm sure there is a tasteful picture that could be included in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.227.254.193 ( talk) 13:37, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
WebMD citation is broken. There may be others. I don't know enough about the topic to correct them or find new ones. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 13:56, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
I need consensus on my addition of the medical definition of an incomplete miscarriage and whether that merits the deletion of the template for it. (Note: I have left the template on the top of the page until at such time as I get a consensus on the matter). 2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:340E:FED3:5670:62E8 ( talk) 04:24, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Added clarification that D&C is also performed for diagnostic purpose. FamPlanMD08 ( talk) 03:45, 2 August 2020 (UTC)FamPlanMD08
- Shall we merge this page into the "dilation and curettage" article? FamPlanMD08 ( talk) 17:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)FamPlanMD08
I propose rearranging the sections to start with "Clinical uses" and then "Procedure." Many other medical procedure pages are ordered this way, with Medical Uses first followed by a description of the procedure. Lukascolashop ( talk) 01:00, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
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How long should a person wait until having sexual intercourse, after a dilationa and curettage is performed
Should the first external link below be removed? It has nothing to do with D&C, but rather abortion, which is rarely in the form of D&C. It's also a site promoting illegal, unsafe DIY abortions.-- Dub8lad1 20:15, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
It gives full directions to how a D&C is performed. That's a lot of relevant information. It belongs here. Al 23:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I totally agree. The first link needs to be removed because it is dangerous to women. I'm also not sure that the statistics on the prevalence of D&C abortions are correct. The surgery complication at the end of the article also seems biased because it does not mention how extremely rare a complication like that is. An abortion is the safest medical procedure on the planet.
Is it just me, or does this article seem to be focused on abortion. AS far as I know, a D&C is not often, if at all used for removal of a live fetus at least not in this day and age. This proceedure is used primarily for removal of products of conception from a miscarriage, and is a life saving medical proceedure. I think this article may not fairly represent the primary use of this proceedure, and may cause undue grief for women having to go through this proceedure if the article focuses on removal of a living fetus. rmosler 22:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi all,
I'd like to hear opinions about the removal of this link.
Especially from who has removed it and from who objects its removal.
Thank you and happy editing,
Snowolf (talk) CON COI - 21:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
(undent) I object to including this information at all. Anyone who wants to search the web for it can do so. However, in the wrong hands, this information could be extremely dangerous. We don't have do-it-yourself surgery links at any of the other articles regarding surgical procedures that I checked, we shouldn't link such instructions here either. Joie de Vivre 19:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Should I close the mediation as failed? It doesn't seems that the party can found a mediation.
Snowolf
(talk)
CON
COI -
15:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you all for expressing your opinions. I have to say that mediation is an informal process, nothing mandatory. Wikipedia isn't censored. The text is from a reliable source. I cannot help further. Also, nobody must do an apology. You apology if you think you should. I'll monitor the dispute and start contributing to the article as normal editor, not as mediator. Unfortunately, I have to close the case, since the parts cannot come to a compromise. Snowolf (talk) CON COI - 09:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
There is some discussion at Talk:Dilation and evacuation#A bit of a problem about procedure names, and what they are used for (abortion vs. miscarriage) that might end up being relevant to this article. Lyrl Talk C 17:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I've altered this section in several ways:
Lyrl
Talk
C
22:56, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure where to begin, there is so much to say. First of all, Asherman's syndrome IS the same thing as intrauterine adhesions. It is very disconcerting to say the least, that people making edits about this do not even know this.
Actually, D&C refers to a range of techniques from sharp curette to manual vacuum aspiration, as is mentioned in the article itself!As I mention below, most Drs use both sharp and suction curette to perform an evacuation.
The Weeks article is not talking about MVA- the study is about MVA, however they stats they provide in the Intro for worldwide induced abortion is a combination of D&Cs, definitely not MVA since this technology is not available in many countries.
Please do not remove citations which support scientific data. It is not ok to remove something someone has added just because you are not able to access the references which support the statements, or because you felt I was mistaken about a separate issue. As a scientist I have access to these articles with statistics on Asherman's. I've re-added the stats.
Just so you all know, I have no political agenda (pro choice or life) but I do want to raise women's awareness about the risks of D&C/suction D&C/MVA regardless of what situation is was used in. Asherman's sydrome is certainly not the rare condition it has been made out to be, and the highly credible statistics that I've quoted support this statement. I'm sure you are all realize there are alternatives to D&C such as misoprostol etc. which can be used in all situations a D&C is used in.
I can't understand why the subheadings for clinical uses have been removed. According to this entrance the only thing D&C is/was used for is abortion (elective abortion) which is complete nonsense.
Lastly, there is no evidence that suction D&C or MVA are safer in terms of Asherman's risks than sharp curette. I've added one reference. The rate of Asherman's is actually increasing even though sharp curette has mostly been replaced by suction D&C. Most Drs also use a variety of techniques for the same procedure. Again, if anyone has any doubts about this info I'm happy to forward emails from top world experts on Asherman's syndrome who personally answered this question last week. Floranerolia ( talk) 06:46, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
See page 32 of document: The preferred surgical technique for abortion up to 12 completed weeks of pregnancy is vacuum aspiration.
"The risk of Asherman's syndrome was found to be 30.9% in women who had D&C following a missed miscarriage"
What is meant by 'missed miscarriage'? 71.111.23.79 ( talk) 01:44, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Any idea what language the recently added videos are in? I don't recognize the alphabet that is used, although the narration sounds Asian. Lyrl Talk C 15:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Most wikipedia pages have a nice picture at the top to give you a visual of the subject matter so I don't have to waste my time reading. I'm sure there is a tasteful picture that could be included in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.227.254.193 ( talk) 13:37, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
WebMD citation is broken. There may be others. I don't know enough about the topic to correct them or find new ones. BeenAroundAWhile ( talk) 13:56, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
I need consensus on my addition of the medical definition of an incomplete miscarriage and whether that merits the deletion of the template for it. (Note: I have left the template on the top of the page until at such time as I get a consensus on the matter). 2607:FCC8:9008:7E00:340E:FED3:5670:62E8 ( talk) 04:24, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Added clarification that D&C is also performed for diagnostic purpose. FamPlanMD08 ( talk) 03:45, 2 August 2020 (UTC)FamPlanMD08
- Shall we merge this page into the "dilation and curettage" article? FamPlanMD08 ( talk) 17:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)FamPlanMD08
I propose rearranging the sections to start with "Clinical uses" and then "Procedure." Many other medical procedure pages are ordered this way, with Medical Uses first followed by a description of the procedure. Lukascolashop ( talk) 01:00, 24 August 2020 (UTC)