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This article is extremely one-sided and does not reflect the complexities of the "meat debate". There are multiple passages that advocate against meat in addition to the passages advocating that it is ok to eat meat. The blinding omission is too big to let slip. "Sikh Scholars" do not represent all - or even a fraction of the plethora of information on the Sikh community. Why not develop a fuller, more thoughtful article that gathers viewpoints from all sources as well as ALL parts of Baani. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.231.198 ( talk) 09:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I referenced the Guru Granth Sahib - the main source for information on SIKH positions. IS there an ISBN number for the Guru Granth Sahib? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.231.198 ( talk) 11:14, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I just put in quotations from Guru Granth Sahib and even gave references on the internet and for some reason they have been deleted. Why is that? this article is biased and its not truthfull in the slightest. Quotations in the Guru Granth Sahib that say meat should be neglected by a Sikh is stated below:
Shabad page 723: O human being, whatever you can see with your eyes, shall perish. The world eats dead carcasses, living by neglect and greed. ((Pause)) Like a goblin, or a beast, they kill and eat the forbidden carcasses of meat. So control your urges, or else you will be seized by the Lord, and thrown into the tortures of hell.
Shabad page 139: Telling lies, they eat dead bodies. And yet, they go out to teach others. They are deceived, and they deceive their companions. O Nanak, such are the leaders of men. ॥1॥
Shabad page 141: To take what rightfully belongs to another, would be like a Muslim eating pork, or a Hindu eating beef. Our Guru, our Spiritual Guide, stands by us, if we do not eat those carcasses. By mere talk, people do not earn passage to Heaven. Salvation comes only from the practice of Truth. By adding spices to forbidden foods, they are not made acceptable. O Nanak, from false talk, only falsehood is obtained. ॥2॥
Can someone put that on the page, these are just a few from MANYYYY quotations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.102.248 ( talk) 18:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
On a side note I would add Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so we tend not to tolerate WP:Fringe here and pay more weight to academic research.Thanks SH 18:47, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Some bhagats also do business related to Animal and Killing which includes:
Hello Commenter The content you have given is just brief, for detail you could visit the blog Meat Eating in Sikhism. It contains all historical information regarding said issue.
I am not a Sikh nor Indian, and I have to follow nearly every link to an Indian/Sikh term to understand it. Could a Sikh or Sikh expert amend that situation, as it is WP policy to write articles that do not require following links...? -- Eu-151 ( talk) 18:52, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
I have used a link which has been used at the Vegetarianism page under Sikhism and assumed therefore it was WP:Reliable. Jujhar Pannu disagrees. I am happy to discuss this further and get the sources verified. Thanks SH 15:29, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
I've been scanning through the the Sikh Review and cannot find the article cited. Here is the link to the contents. Which article is it? Thanks SH 10:06, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
books.google.com/books?id=ObIlAQAAIAAJ Jujhar.pannu ( talk) 18:58, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
I question the statement in the first paragraph that states the "general consensus" opinion without citing any statistics. I therefore went looking for sources that could be cited to uphold or refute the statement. I was able to find multiple lively debates about the topic, which indicates to me that there may not be a general consensus. Please consider revising the statement or providing reputable statistical data. Simuloid ( talk) 15:28, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Firstly I will say please stop. I have been analysing some of the disputed edits. Firstly you cannot use primary sources such as the Sri Guru Granth Sahib as a reference. Secondly this paragraph highlights exactly the problem with some of the references.
[[Sant Kabir]], who is quoted many times in the holy book of Sikhism ''Sri Guru Granth Sahib'' <ref>http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Search&Param=english</ref>, said that eating meat, killing an animal, a Hindu or Muslim way leading to hell <ref>http://www.spiritual.comuv.com/kabir-dohe-vegetarian.html</ref> (for [[Sant Kabir]], [[Muhammad]] and the early Muslims were vegetarians)<ref>http://www.spiritual.comuv.com/kabir-dohe-vegetarian.html</ref>. It was not to promote a new way to kill a creature. The Sikh gurus are in this perspective ; [[Guru Granth Sahib|Sri Guru Granth Sahib]] is sufficiently clear on this subject: kill an animal is a grave sin and asks to be compassionate to all living beings <ref>http://www.tapoban.org/meat.html</ref>. Meat consumption and kill an animal in any way is seen to many Sikhs as a serious betrayal of Sikhism <ref>http://www.panthkhalsa.org/rahit/rahit_kuthha.php</ref>.
This section uses these references below which are not WP:Reliable. I have looked at the site and have found the following:
I implore everyone to engage me here.
Thanks DeludedFan ( talk) 16:10, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
The following lines mentioned in Sarbloh Bibek section are completely irrelevant for the section and violate WP:OR and WP:SYNTH guidelines.
Sarbloh was used by Guru Gobind Singh to prepare Amrit during the Khalsa initiation ceremony in 1699. The Khanda (a double edged knife or sword) was also made of Sarbloh. To this day Amrit Sanchar ceremonies are conducted using a bata (bowl) and Khanda (sword) made of sarbloh.
I have checked the sources cited for these lines and they mention about Sarbloh and not Sarbloh Bibek. Sarbloh (steel or iron) and Sarbloh Bibek (practice of eating only from iron bowls and iron plates followed by some Sikh groups) are two separate things. So, these lines should be removed from the section. If anybody has objection to the removal of above lines then we can discuss it on this talk page otherwise I will remove these lines from the article after few days. Jasksingh ( talk) 17:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EAT MEAT!!! Sikhs have to be VEGETARIAN! Who wrote this article!! Sarbpreet1234567 ( talk) 06:14, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
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This article is extremely one-sided and does not reflect the complexities of the "meat debate". There are multiple passages that advocate against meat in addition to the passages advocating that it is ok to eat meat. The blinding omission is too big to let slip. "Sikh Scholars" do not represent all - or even a fraction of the plethora of information on the Sikh community. Why not develop a fuller, more thoughtful article that gathers viewpoints from all sources as well as ALL parts of Baani. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.231.198 ( talk) 09:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I referenced the Guru Granth Sahib - the main source for information on SIKH positions. IS there an ISBN number for the Guru Granth Sahib? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.231.198 ( talk) 11:14, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I just put in quotations from Guru Granth Sahib and even gave references on the internet and for some reason they have been deleted. Why is that? this article is biased and its not truthfull in the slightest. Quotations in the Guru Granth Sahib that say meat should be neglected by a Sikh is stated below:
Shabad page 723: O human being, whatever you can see with your eyes, shall perish. The world eats dead carcasses, living by neglect and greed. ((Pause)) Like a goblin, or a beast, they kill and eat the forbidden carcasses of meat. So control your urges, or else you will be seized by the Lord, and thrown into the tortures of hell.
Shabad page 139: Telling lies, they eat dead bodies. And yet, they go out to teach others. They are deceived, and they deceive their companions. O Nanak, such are the leaders of men. ॥1॥
Shabad page 141: To take what rightfully belongs to another, would be like a Muslim eating pork, or a Hindu eating beef. Our Guru, our Spiritual Guide, stands by us, if we do not eat those carcasses. By mere talk, people do not earn passage to Heaven. Salvation comes only from the practice of Truth. By adding spices to forbidden foods, they are not made acceptable. O Nanak, from false talk, only falsehood is obtained. ॥2॥
Can someone put that on the page, these are just a few from MANYYYY quotations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.102.248 ( talk) 18:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
On a side note I would add Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so we tend not to tolerate WP:Fringe here and pay more weight to academic research.Thanks SH 18:47, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Some bhagats also do business related to Animal and Killing which includes:
Hello Commenter The content you have given is just brief, for detail you could visit the blog Meat Eating in Sikhism. It contains all historical information regarding said issue.
I am not a Sikh nor Indian, and I have to follow nearly every link to an Indian/Sikh term to understand it. Could a Sikh or Sikh expert amend that situation, as it is WP policy to write articles that do not require following links...? -- Eu-151 ( talk) 18:52, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
I have used a link which has been used at the Vegetarianism page under Sikhism and assumed therefore it was WP:Reliable. Jujhar Pannu disagrees. I am happy to discuss this further and get the sources verified. Thanks SH 15:29, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
I've been scanning through the the Sikh Review and cannot find the article cited. Here is the link to the contents. Which article is it? Thanks SH 10:06, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
books.google.com/books?id=ObIlAQAAIAAJ Jujhar.pannu ( talk) 18:58, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
I question the statement in the first paragraph that states the "general consensus" opinion without citing any statistics. I therefore went looking for sources that could be cited to uphold or refute the statement. I was able to find multiple lively debates about the topic, which indicates to me that there may not be a general consensus. Please consider revising the statement or providing reputable statistical data. Simuloid ( talk) 15:28, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Firstly I will say please stop. I have been analysing some of the disputed edits. Firstly you cannot use primary sources such as the Sri Guru Granth Sahib as a reference. Secondly this paragraph highlights exactly the problem with some of the references.
[[Sant Kabir]], who is quoted many times in the holy book of Sikhism ''Sri Guru Granth Sahib'' <ref>http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Search&Param=english</ref>, said that eating meat, killing an animal, a Hindu or Muslim way leading to hell <ref>http://www.spiritual.comuv.com/kabir-dohe-vegetarian.html</ref> (for [[Sant Kabir]], [[Muhammad]] and the early Muslims were vegetarians)<ref>http://www.spiritual.comuv.com/kabir-dohe-vegetarian.html</ref>. It was not to promote a new way to kill a creature. The Sikh gurus are in this perspective ; [[Guru Granth Sahib|Sri Guru Granth Sahib]] is sufficiently clear on this subject: kill an animal is a grave sin and asks to be compassionate to all living beings <ref>http://www.tapoban.org/meat.html</ref>. Meat consumption and kill an animal in any way is seen to many Sikhs as a serious betrayal of Sikhism <ref>http://www.panthkhalsa.org/rahit/rahit_kuthha.php</ref>.
This section uses these references below which are not WP:Reliable. I have looked at the site and have found the following:
I implore everyone to engage me here.
Thanks DeludedFan ( talk) 16:10, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
The following lines mentioned in Sarbloh Bibek section are completely irrelevant for the section and violate WP:OR and WP:SYNTH guidelines.
Sarbloh was used by Guru Gobind Singh to prepare Amrit during the Khalsa initiation ceremony in 1699. The Khanda (a double edged knife or sword) was also made of Sarbloh. To this day Amrit Sanchar ceremonies are conducted using a bata (bowl) and Khanda (sword) made of sarbloh.
I have checked the sources cited for these lines and they mention about Sarbloh and not Sarbloh Bibek. Sarbloh (steel or iron) and Sarbloh Bibek (practice of eating only from iron bowls and iron plates followed by some Sikh groups) are two separate things. So, these lines should be removed from the section. If anybody has objection to the removal of above lines then we can discuss it on this talk page otherwise I will remove these lines from the article after few days. Jasksingh ( talk) 17:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EAT MEAT!!! Sikhs have to be VEGETARIAN! Who wrote this article!! Sarbpreet1234567 ( talk) 06:14, 6 August 2023 (UTC)