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Someone correctly observed that the article on Die Walküre should have the umlaut in the article's title, but made the mistake of doing it with a cut and paste rather than with "Rename this article" as described in Wikipedia:How to rename (move) a page. That has been fixed, but sorry, your user name got lost in the shuffle. -- Jerzy 08:22, 2004 Jan 12 (UTC)
If the previous edits are significant enough to retain (not the case here IIRC), then a developer can do a merger. But there is no reason to sacrifice a coherant history of the text in order to keep track of the sequence of redirects.
The situation you describe does indeed disallow the move w/o the intervention of a sysop/admin, which in my experience can hold you up as much as a half hour.
Let's review the documentation on this, including the path from Main Page, in which your input on what about the docs led you that direction should be especially valuable. (I don't want you to feel bad; this isn't peculiar to you!) And thanks for calling attention to the feasibility, and the neglect, of the title change. -- Jerzy 13:43, 2004 Jan 12 (UTC)
I have changed the name of the sword, in the place where it is introduced, from Balmung (Nibelungenlied) to Nothung (The Ring). As "Not" means emergency or need in German, the following words ("which evokes the dire need, for a weapon against Hunding") now make more sense, and it agrees with two further references below to Nothung.-- John 11:41, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Would it be possible to include a mention of the orchestra used for this music drama (and other works by Wagner)? Does anyone know how large the orchestras were for Wagner's music dramas?
Per Wikipedia guidelines of giving an article its most common name in English ( WP:UE), is there support to move this article to The Valkyrie? -- Elonka 19:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I included a “real” libretto rather tan a “mere” description of each act and adding an introduction introducing this second opera of the Tetralogy Cycle. One can apprehend the entire opera reading the synopsis and can get an idea of the whole work with the Intro summarizing what happened in the first - Das Reihngol - and a few historical composition facts with History section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reiko-chin ( talk • contribs) 10:01, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
From the first paragraph of the introduction; "...he refused to part with Freia, who provides the gods with the apples of eternal youth." I thought it was the goddess Idunn who provided those apples, not Freia. Lily20 ( talk) 18:11, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Fafner transformes into a dragon but not with the Tarnhelm. After killing Fafner Siegfried goes in the Neidhöhle, and from that place he take the Ring and the Tarnhelm. That shows that Fafner can not wear the Tarnhelm during the battle against Siegfried. In Wagner`s sources the giant Fafnir transformes himself also without the Tarnhelm. I will change that in the article, but write it at first here because on many other web pages one can read that Fafner use the Tarnhelm but it`s wrong. The only thing Fafner wants is sleep and own the Hort; he wouldn't use anything of it. (Excuse the false, I'm German and my English isn't that great.)-- Operalistener ( talk) 11:24, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Infoboxes should be added after discussion on talkpage. No discussion took place here. I don't think the box very appropriate. Have removed it pending further discussion. I am flagging the issue at WP:Opera and WP:Wagner. -- Smerus ( talk) 10:27, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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B class (62 points). This article is similar in quality to
Das Rheingold. As with the other article, I have 'credited' it with the information in the three Ring articles (
Der Ring des Nibelungen,
Der Ring des Nibelungen: Composition of the text,
Der Ring des Nibelungen: Composition of the music). It could benefit from:
-- Kleinzach 00:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC) Agreed. Comments as per Kleinzach. -- GuillaumeTell 10:46, 11 September 2007 (UTC) Low Start 38/100. I disagree with the above reviewers on fully crediting the contents of the other articles. WP:Summary makes it clear that a summary of the information should be included here as well as the more detailed analysis elsewhere.
-- Peter cohen 10:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC) Further to discussion at WT:Richard Wagner I am downgrading this article to Start as the views expressed there are that information from other articles should not be assumed.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC) |
Last edited at 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC). Substituted at 13:24, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
I uploaded a version of Ride of the Valkyries performed by U of Chicago orchestra and distributed under creative commons 3.0, I expected to stay even though there is no performance date, it was obtained from here. Should we have it replace the 1921 version? It is of higher quality. Rybkovich ( talk) 01:19, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
I've copied this discussion from my talk page, so other interested editors can voice their opinion.
I undid the revision of @ Markhh: which deleted a number of contributions made by two editors. I expanded the article while @ Schissel: took time to go over and correct the edits. There was key information missing from the version that you restored: Ash tree, the fact that Siegfried was wounded and exhausted and collapsed as he came in, the intimate connection that emerges in the conversation between the twins, also there was no citation to the quote used in the previous version. The corrections I made all added to the already provided info, no previous additions (aside from the quote without a citation) were deleted. We can discuss my contributions here and how to improve them here. Rybkovich ( talk) 17:49, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi @ Markhh: @ Schissel: @ Michael Bednarek: and all other editors working on this. I uploaded audio files corresponding to each title in the section. Since we have the same info listed twice I propose something like the audio files listed in Enrico Caruso and try to make it clearer than how it is in Caruso. Rybkovich ( talk) 22:08, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page have been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 11:51, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
The article is being expanded and improved in stages, as part of an overall project to improve all the Ring-related articles. Apologies to readers while the article remains in a half-cooked state. Things will get better. Brianboulton ( talk) 22:53, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
I may be misremembering, but I thought that the reason Fricka demands that that Siegmund and Sieglinde be punished is for breaking the rules of hospitality, not really "for their adultery and incest". -- 208.81.184.11 ( talk) 22:26, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
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Someone correctly observed that the article on Die Walküre should have the umlaut in the article's title, but made the mistake of doing it with a cut and paste rather than with "Rename this article" as described in Wikipedia:How to rename (move) a page. That has been fixed, but sorry, your user name got lost in the shuffle. -- Jerzy 08:22, 2004 Jan 12 (UTC)
If the previous edits are significant enough to retain (not the case here IIRC), then a developer can do a merger. But there is no reason to sacrifice a coherant history of the text in order to keep track of the sequence of redirects.
The situation you describe does indeed disallow the move w/o the intervention of a sysop/admin, which in my experience can hold you up as much as a half hour.
Let's review the documentation on this, including the path from Main Page, in which your input on what about the docs led you that direction should be especially valuable. (I don't want you to feel bad; this isn't peculiar to you!) And thanks for calling attention to the feasibility, and the neglect, of the title change. -- Jerzy 13:43, 2004 Jan 12 (UTC)
I have changed the name of the sword, in the place where it is introduced, from Balmung (Nibelungenlied) to Nothung (The Ring). As "Not" means emergency or need in German, the following words ("which evokes the dire need, for a weapon against Hunding") now make more sense, and it agrees with two further references below to Nothung.-- John 11:41, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Would it be possible to include a mention of the orchestra used for this music drama (and other works by Wagner)? Does anyone know how large the orchestras were for Wagner's music dramas?
Per Wikipedia guidelines of giving an article its most common name in English ( WP:UE), is there support to move this article to The Valkyrie? -- Elonka 19:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I included a “real” libretto rather tan a “mere” description of each act and adding an introduction introducing this second opera of the Tetralogy Cycle. One can apprehend the entire opera reading the synopsis and can get an idea of the whole work with the Intro summarizing what happened in the first - Das Reihngol - and a few historical composition facts with History section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reiko-chin ( talk • contribs) 10:01, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
From the first paragraph of the introduction; "...he refused to part with Freia, who provides the gods with the apples of eternal youth." I thought it was the goddess Idunn who provided those apples, not Freia. Lily20 ( talk) 18:11, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Fafner transformes into a dragon but not with the Tarnhelm. After killing Fafner Siegfried goes in the Neidhöhle, and from that place he take the Ring and the Tarnhelm. That shows that Fafner can not wear the Tarnhelm during the battle against Siegfried. In Wagner`s sources the giant Fafnir transformes himself also without the Tarnhelm. I will change that in the article, but write it at first here because on many other web pages one can read that Fafner use the Tarnhelm but it`s wrong. The only thing Fafner wants is sleep and own the Hort; he wouldn't use anything of it. (Excuse the false, I'm German and my English isn't that great.)-- Operalistener ( talk) 11:24, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Infoboxes should be added after discussion on talkpage. No discussion took place here. I don't think the box very appropriate. Have removed it pending further discussion. I am flagging the issue at WP:Opera and WP:Wagner. -- Smerus ( talk) 10:27, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Die Walküre/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Comment(s) | Press [show] to view → |
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B class (62 points). This article is similar in quality to
Das Rheingold. As with the other article, I have 'credited' it with the information in the three Ring articles (
Der Ring des Nibelungen,
Der Ring des Nibelungen: Composition of the text,
Der Ring des Nibelungen: Composition of the music). It could benefit from:
-- Kleinzach 00:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC) Agreed. Comments as per Kleinzach. -- GuillaumeTell 10:46, 11 September 2007 (UTC) Low Start 38/100. I disagree with the above reviewers on fully crediting the contents of the other articles. WP:Summary makes it clear that a summary of the information should be included here as well as the more detailed analysis elsewhere.
-- Peter cohen 10:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC) Further to discussion at WT:Richard Wagner I am downgrading this article to Start as the views expressed there are that information from other articles should not be assumed.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC) |
Last edited at 19:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC). Substituted at 13:24, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
I uploaded a version of Ride of the Valkyries performed by U of Chicago orchestra and distributed under creative commons 3.0, I expected to stay even though there is no performance date, it was obtained from here. Should we have it replace the 1921 version? It is of higher quality. Rybkovich ( talk) 01:19, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
I've copied this discussion from my talk page, so other interested editors can voice their opinion.
I undid the revision of @ Markhh: which deleted a number of contributions made by two editors. I expanded the article while @ Schissel: took time to go over and correct the edits. There was key information missing from the version that you restored: Ash tree, the fact that Siegfried was wounded and exhausted and collapsed as he came in, the intimate connection that emerges in the conversation between the twins, also there was no citation to the quote used in the previous version. The corrections I made all added to the already provided info, no previous additions (aside from the quote without a citation) were deleted. We can discuss my contributions here and how to improve them here. Rybkovich ( talk) 17:49, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi @ Markhh: @ Schissel: @ Michael Bednarek: and all other editors working on this. I uploaded audio files corresponding to each title in the section. Since we have the same info listed twice I propose something like the audio files listed in Enrico Caruso and try to make it clearer than how it is in Caruso. Rybkovich ( talk) 22:08, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page have been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 11:51, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
The article is being expanded and improved in stages, as part of an overall project to improve all the Ring-related articles. Apologies to readers while the article remains in a half-cooked state. Things will get better. Brianboulton ( talk) 22:53, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
I may be misremembering, but I thought that the reason Fricka demands that that Siegmund and Sieglinde be punished is for breaking the rules of hospitality, not really "for their adultery and incest". -- 208.81.184.11 ( talk) 22:26, 13 September 2019 (UTC)