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'It is also the final Bond film to feature the original series' James Bond.' What is this supposed to mean?
You beat me to it! Explain or someone will ditch it...
The article states that Die Another Day did not feature Llewelyn because he died. Actually, he officially announced he was done with the Bond movies shortly before his fatal car accident. I have edited the main page to reflect this. -The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kuvopolis ( talk • contribs) 04:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
I am surprised the "capitalist" film was even shown in North Korea. -fonzy
It was banned in North Korea. There was a big fuss in the news over it. -- Madchester 02:14, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)
Very few non-North Korean films are ever shown in North Korea, and so "banned" perhaps isn't quite the right word. It's not clear the film was ever seen by any North Korean officials before they condemned it. Then again, Kim Jong Il has a large personal library, so it's possible he's seen it... -- ProhibitOnions 23:31, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
Given the extremely limited freedom in North Korea, being banned would be very likely as I have thought, but North Korean officials would probably not even want to spend 133 minutes to review the whole movie. Kim Jong Il would probably hate these portions undermining his country.-- Jusjih 07:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Who said Branson was the inspiration for Graves? Seems a bit unlikely... Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 13:55, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I thought Ted Turner of CNN & TBS Superstation was the inspiration for Elliot Carver. In any case, Graves could be based on any daredevil millionaire, including the one who went to the ISS.
There was a guy with a lot of diamonds in his face. How did that come about?
About the reaction section... the info is wrong, considering that Judi Dench has played M since winning her Oscar in 1999. -- Madchester 02:14, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)
I removed the following trivia item ...
...on the basis that no source was provided. This sounds pretty far-fetched and I can't imagine the holders of the Bond franchise actually authorizing such a "jump the shark" moment. If someone can provide a source for this rumor, by all means put it back (with source cited, of course). 23skidoo 13:55, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
your theory is wrong remember Bond(George Lazenby) was married to Terresa and she was killed Bond(Roger Moore) Visits Terresa's grave in For your Eyes Only Bond(Dalton) visits Felix's house when Felix had just gotten married Felix says:"he was married once but that was a long time ago" Dudtz 8/25/05 4:27 PM EST
Was the fact to put Bond in jail for fourteen months in North Korea an attempt by the screenwriters to justify his inability (of Bond) to prevent September 11 ? Or am I going too far ? 194.183.196.141 5 July 2005 10:52 (UTC)
One thing this article lacks is a detailed listing of all the various references to Bond novels and films. Not counting unintentional rehashes of past themes (of which DAD has a few), there are enough intentional nods to past Bonds that I think it deserves its own section. 23skidoo 16:07, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
Are we going to list Centfox Film, Filmes Castello Lopes, Gativideo, Gemini Film, etc etc etc too? Now you're just pick and choosing - but no we will not. Precedent for EVERY FILM ON WIKIPEDIA shows we only list the main one, which is MGM. Examples, how about Million Dollar Baby, look how many it has - do we list them all here at Wikipedia? No we don't. Titanic. No we don't. The main distributor in this case, MGM, is all that we list. They are the distributor of the film. They allow other distributors to do so in other countries. It was financed by MGM. etc etc etc. It is an MGM film, not a 20th Century Fox film. K1Bond007 16:53, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
Who keeps changing cloaking device to adaptive camoflauge? The feature on Bond's car is a cloaking device. The name may seem too sci fi for some 007 fans, but as the saying goes, if it walks like a duck, it IS a duck. Simon Beavis
Anybody have a reference for the "buy another day" nickname? I've personally never heard this one before. Guinness 14:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
What about the so-called "switchblade" stealth gliders? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ralphybaby ( talk • contribs) .
Nearly a year ago I suggested a section be added referencing some of the major references to earlier Bond films, especially since the introduction makes explicit mention of this yet the article doesn't really follow up save for one trivia item. I just tried to add a list, but I realized that it was making the article too long (even though I was just listing major and notable references, not some of the the rather debatable and IMO dubious "references" contained within the IMDb listing for the film). Any ideas how this should be handled? I'm hesitant to create an article on the references as I've seen several go the way of AFD recently. Yet the references are undeniably a major part of the film, acknowledged by the creators, so they should be mentioned somehow ... 23skidoo 17:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I oppose splitting the article into separate film and novel articles. I fail to see how this would benefit Wikipedia, plus the resulting article would be simply a stub unless you want to simply repeat the plot summary given here. 23skidoo 13:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
There is a section headed "MPAA delay", but it doesn't actually mention any particular delay. Was the delay important and should it be mentioned? This sounds like somebody's pet peeve to me. Can this note simply be rewritten more briefly and added to the Overview? Any objections? Mooncow 17:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I cleaned up the bloated trivia section as much as I think I could. It was a judgement call on a lot of it. Some were pretty obvious deletions (eg: Chang is a very common oriental surname - its not notable to have people showing up in various movies with that surname). Some were inconsequential (Bond has long hair? Branson as a model for Graves?) or just out of date (Judi Dench is in Casino Royale hence its pointless to talk about her planned replacement in this movie). Discussions and analysis about Oedipal issues of Bond villains should not be really be dumped into trivia (its not really trivia - its an analysis and opinion IMO). I moved the item about elements being borrowed from Moonraker and other Bond books to the overview section as the analysis fits better there than being in the "trivia basket".
On the Lee Tamahori speculation that "James Bond" is a title and not a name, I have copied the item point here:
It really shouldn't be in the already bloated Trivia section of Die Another Day. Its really a fanboy discussion at best (start a new Wiki article if you want :) . I moved it here as a record of the item and as a politeness. I left in the trivia that he wanted Sean Connery for a cameo appearance but was nixed by the producers. -- Eqdoktor 19:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
There is a parody of this movie in Hokkien--a short one. [1] Do you think we should add it in the trivia section? Anyway, it's worth watching it. 165.21.155.11 03:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
This movie is such a piece of shite it is a parody of itself. Good thing they are making reasonable Bond movies again. 70.64.104.35 20:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
There's a major theme of Cold vs Heat going on throughout the whole movie. Compare Frost to Jynx. Or Cuba setting (where James macks in the hot hotel room) to Ice-Palace setting (where James macks on a giant ice swan). Or Caucasian villain (cool and relaxed) to Diamond-faced villain (a filibuster).
Or just look at the really obvious intro, where an ice woman is fighting a lava woman. ... Lots of red vs blue going on throughout this movie.
(I saw they had a theme of White for Agent 47, but I'm not sure if Movies can also have a theme section or not.) JimmmyThePiep 04:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Can someone explain about the mole, I know it was the girls but what exactly did she do? That's the one thing I didn't get throughout the whole movie.
That right actually goes to Live and Let Die.
The top 5 of the franchise are Thunderball Goldfinger From Russia With Love Live and Let Die Casino Royale http://k1bond007.shackspace.com/James%20Bond/Statistics/world_admissions.png ThirdEchelonSC1 01:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
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'It is also the final Bond film to feature the original series' James Bond.' What is this supposed to mean?
You beat me to it! Explain or someone will ditch it...
The article states that Die Another Day did not feature Llewelyn because he died. Actually, he officially announced he was done with the Bond movies shortly before his fatal car accident. I have edited the main page to reflect this. -The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kuvopolis ( talk • contribs) 04:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
I am surprised the "capitalist" film was even shown in North Korea. -fonzy
It was banned in North Korea. There was a big fuss in the news over it. -- Madchester 02:14, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)
Very few non-North Korean films are ever shown in North Korea, and so "banned" perhaps isn't quite the right word. It's not clear the film was ever seen by any North Korean officials before they condemned it. Then again, Kim Jong Il has a large personal library, so it's possible he's seen it... -- ProhibitOnions 23:31, 2005 May 23 (UTC)
Given the extremely limited freedom in North Korea, being banned would be very likely as I have thought, but North Korean officials would probably not even want to spend 133 minutes to review the whole movie. Kim Jong Il would probably hate these portions undermining his country.-- Jusjih 07:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Who said Branson was the inspiration for Graves? Seems a bit unlikely... Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 13:55, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I thought Ted Turner of CNN & TBS Superstation was the inspiration for Elliot Carver. In any case, Graves could be based on any daredevil millionaire, including the one who went to the ISS.
There was a guy with a lot of diamonds in his face. How did that come about?
About the reaction section... the info is wrong, considering that Judi Dench has played M since winning her Oscar in 1999. -- Madchester 02:14, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)
I removed the following trivia item ...
...on the basis that no source was provided. This sounds pretty far-fetched and I can't imagine the holders of the Bond franchise actually authorizing such a "jump the shark" moment. If someone can provide a source for this rumor, by all means put it back (with source cited, of course). 23skidoo 13:55, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
your theory is wrong remember Bond(George Lazenby) was married to Terresa and she was killed Bond(Roger Moore) Visits Terresa's grave in For your Eyes Only Bond(Dalton) visits Felix's house when Felix had just gotten married Felix says:"he was married once but that was a long time ago" Dudtz 8/25/05 4:27 PM EST
Was the fact to put Bond in jail for fourteen months in North Korea an attempt by the screenwriters to justify his inability (of Bond) to prevent September 11 ? Or am I going too far ? 194.183.196.141 5 July 2005 10:52 (UTC)
One thing this article lacks is a detailed listing of all the various references to Bond novels and films. Not counting unintentional rehashes of past themes (of which DAD has a few), there are enough intentional nods to past Bonds that I think it deserves its own section. 23skidoo 16:07, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
Are we going to list Centfox Film, Filmes Castello Lopes, Gativideo, Gemini Film, etc etc etc too? Now you're just pick and choosing - but no we will not. Precedent for EVERY FILM ON WIKIPEDIA shows we only list the main one, which is MGM. Examples, how about Million Dollar Baby, look how many it has - do we list them all here at Wikipedia? No we don't. Titanic. No we don't. The main distributor in this case, MGM, is all that we list. They are the distributor of the film. They allow other distributors to do so in other countries. It was financed by MGM. etc etc etc. It is an MGM film, not a 20th Century Fox film. K1Bond007 16:53, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
Who keeps changing cloaking device to adaptive camoflauge? The feature on Bond's car is a cloaking device. The name may seem too sci fi for some 007 fans, but as the saying goes, if it walks like a duck, it IS a duck. Simon Beavis
Anybody have a reference for the "buy another day" nickname? I've personally never heard this one before. Guinness 14:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
What about the so-called "switchblade" stealth gliders? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ralphybaby ( talk • contribs) .
Nearly a year ago I suggested a section be added referencing some of the major references to earlier Bond films, especially since the introduction makes explicit mention of this yet the article doesn't really follow up save for one trivia item. I just tried to add a list, but I realized that it was making the article too long (even though I was just listing major and notable references, not some of the the rather debatable and IMO dubious "references" contained within the IMDb listing for the film). Any ideas how this should be handled? I'm hesitant to create an article on the references as I've seen several go the way of AFD recently. Yet the references are undeniably a major part of the film, acknowledged by the creators, so they should be mentioned somehow ... 23skidoo 17:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I oppose splitting the article into separate film and novel articles. I fail to see how this would benefit Wikipedia, plus the resulting article would be simply a stub unless you want to simply repeat the plot summary given here. 23skidoo 13:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
There is a section headed "MPAA delay", but it doesn't actually mention any particular delay. Was the delay important and should it be mentioned? This sounds like somebody's pet peeve to me. Can this note simply be rewritten more briefly and added to the Overview? Any objections? Mooncow 17:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I cleaned up the bloated trivia section as much as I think I could. It was a judgement call on a lot of it. Some were pretty obvious deletions (eg: Chang is a very common oriental surname - its not notable to have people showing up in various movies with that surname). Some were inconsequential (Bond has long hair? Branson as a model for Graves?) or just out of date (Judi Dench is in Casino Royale hence its pointless to talk about her planned replacement in this movie). Discussions and analysis about Oedipal issues of Bond villains should not be really be dumped into trivia (its not really trivia - its an analysis and opinion IMO). I moved the item about elements being borrowed from Moonraker and other Bond books to the overview section as the analysis fits better there than being in the "trivia basket".
On the Lee Tamahori speculation that "James Bond" is a title and not a name, I have copied the item point here:
It really shouldn't be in the already bloated Trivia section of Die Another Day. Its really a fanboy discussion at best (start a new Wiki article if you want :) . I moved it here as a record of the item and as a politeness. I left in the trivia that he wanted Sean Connery for a cameo appearance but was nixed by the producers. -- Eqdoktor 19:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
There is a parody of this movie in Hokkien--a short one. [1] Do you think we should add it in the trivia section? Anyway, it's worth watching it. 165.21.155.11 03:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
This movie is such a piece of shite it is a parody of itself. Good thing they are making reasonable Bond movies again. 70.64.104.35 20:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
There's a major theme of Cold vs Heat going on throughout the whole movie. Compare Frost to Jynx. Or Cuba setting (where James macks in the hot hotel room) to Ice-Palace setting (where James macks on a giant ice swan). Or Caucasian villain (cool and relaxed) to Diamond-faced villain (a filibuster).
Or just look at the really obvious intro, where an ice woman is fighting a lava woman. ... Lots of red vs blue going on throughout this movie.
(I saw they had a theme of White for Agent 47, but I'm not sure if Movies can also have a theme section or not.) JimmmyThePiep 04:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Can someone explain about the mole, I know it was the girls but what exactly did she do? That's the one thing I didn't get throughout the whole movie.
That right actually goes to Live and Let Die.
The top 5 of the franchise are Thunderball Goldfinger From Russia With Love Live and Let Die Casino Royale http://k1bond007.shackspace.com/James%20Bond/Statistics/world_admissions.png ThirdEchelonSC1 01:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)