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A fact from Dick Graves appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 January 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that Dick Graves sold his casino to an employee on a handshake, telling him "pay me when you can"?
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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SL93 (
talk) 06:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)reply
I don't think the typical reader (or editor) remembers the exact article related to a Wikipedia dick joke from a year ago.
Juxlos (
talk) 10:10, 9 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Given that the paragraph the hook is taken from was deliberately written in an unencyclopedic style in order to unnecessarily include seven instances of the word "cock" in a single paragraph, none of which are needed or appropriate, this is a problematic nomination from the start, and has been included in a discussion at
WT:DYK. The paragraph has been revised to improve its accuracy and replace "cock" with "rooster"—the bird was created to help draw attention to the casino's "Golden Rooster Room" restaurant—and I rather doubt that either of the hooks will ultimately be allowed.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 02:07, 11 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Strike both hooks. Offensive material should function kind of like fair use: minimal use (including "only use if strictly necessary"), clear encyclopedic purpose, and clear signaling from sources that using the offensive material is important. These hooks fail all three of those tests—DYK cannot be a repository of uncle jokes that lack encyclopedic value.
theleekycauldron (
talk •
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they/she) 02:13, 11 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Article is new enough, long enough, sourced, neutral, and plagiarism free. I'm vetoing both hooks as the reviewer; a QPQ has been done. New hooks will be needed.
theleekycauldron (
talk •
contribs) (
they/she) 02:20, 11 January 2022 (UTC)reply
leeky I don't think that's much of an improvement. I would object to something as infantile as mocking a man's name, even on April Fools Day. That hook was
specifically mentioned by Fram in his ANI complaint. What about something like, ALT3 "... that Dick Graves paid a man to sit on top of a 60-foot pole for seven months to promote his casino?"
Pawnkingthree (
talk) 15:24, 14 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi there,
Pawnkingthree! I'll approve ALT3 in good faith for normal running (not AFD); if this is the best way to move forward for everyone, I won't make too big a fuss.
theleekycauldron (
talk •
contribs) (
they/she) 12:42, 15 January 2022 (UTC)reply
theleekycauldron, I've struck ALT2; I'm another who objects to the hook as phrased. It doesn't seem likely that an April Fools hook can be constructed from this article, but I'm glad that Dick Graves will get a chance at the main page; he seems to have been an interesting person. If an acceptable AFD hook doesn't come along in the next few days, I'll move this nomination back to the Approved page.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 15:13, 15 January 2022 (UTC)reply
No objections, @
BlueMoonset: looks I slightly misread some past nominations to get to the judgement I did anyways. :D I've got no other suggestions re: April Fools.
theleekycauldron (
talk •
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they/she) 15:16, 15 January 2022 (UTC)reply
ALT4: ... that Dick Graves sold his casino to an employee on a handshake, saying, "Pay me when you can", because he felt a debt of loyalty?
valereee (
talk) 15:13, 16 January 2022 (UTC)reply
ALT4a: ... that Dick Graves sold his casino to an employee on a handshake, saying, "Pay me when you can"?
valereee (
talk) 22:35, 16 January 2022 (UTC)reply
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A fact from Dick Graves appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 January 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that Dick Graves sold his casino to an employee on a handshake, telling him "pay me when you can"?
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by
SL93 (
talk) 06:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)reply
I don't think the typical reader (or editor) remembers the exact article related to a Wikipedia dick joke from a year ago.
Juxlos (
talk) 10:10, 9 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Given that the paragraph the hook is taken from was deliberately written in an unencyclopedic style in order to unnecessarily include seven instances of the word "cock" in a single paragraph, none of which are needed or appropriate, this is a problematic nomination from the start, and has been included in a discussion at
WT:DYK. The paragraph has been revised to improve its accuracy and replace "cock" with "rooster"—the bird was created to help draw attention to the casino's "Golden Rooster Room" restaurant—and I rather doubt that either of the hooks will ultimately be allowed.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 02:07, 11 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Strike both hooks. Offensive material should function kind of like fair use: minimal use (including "only use if strictly necessary"), clear encyclopedic purpose, and clear signaling from sources that using the offensive material is important. These hooks fail all three of those tests—DYK cannot be a repository of uncle jokes that lack encyclopedic value.
theleekycauldron (
talk •
contribs) (
they/she) 02:13, 11 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Article is new enough, long enough, sourced, neutral, and plagiarism free. I'm vetoing both hooks as the reviewer; a QPQ has been done. New hooks will be needed.
theleekycauldron (
talk •
contribs) (
they/she) 02:20, 11 January 2022 (UTC)reply
leeky I don't think that's much of an improvement. I would object to something as infantile as mocking a man's name, even on April Fools Day. That hook was
specifically mentioned by Fram in his ANI complaint. What about something like, ALT3 "... that Dick Graves paid a man to sit on top of a 60-foot pole for seven months to promote his casino?"
Pawnkingthree (
talk) 15:24, 14 January 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi there,
Pawnkingthree! I'll approve ALT3 in good faith for normal running (not AFD); if this is the best way to move forward for everyone, I won't make too big a fuss.
theleekycauldron (
talk •
contribs) (
they/she) 12:42, 15 January 2022 (UTC)reply
theleekycauldron, I've struck ALT2; I'm another who objects to the hook as phrased. It doesn't seem likely that an April Fools hook can be constructed from this article, but I'm glad that Dick Graves will get a chance at the main page; he seems to have been an interesting person. If an acceptable AFD hook doesn't come along in the next few days, I'll move this nomination back to the Approved page.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 15:13, 15 January 2022 (UTC)reply
No objections, @
BlueMoonset: looks I slightly misread some past nominations to get to the judgement I did anyways. :D I've got no other suggestions re: April Fools.
theleekycauldron (
talk •
contribs) (
they/she) 15:16, 15 January 2022 (UTC)reply
ALT4: ... that Dick Graves sold his casino to an employee on a handshake, saying, "Pay me when you can", because he felt a debt of loyalty?
valereee (
talk) 15:13, 16 January 2022 (UTC)reply
ALT4a: ... that Dick Graves sold his casino to an employee on a handshake, saying, "Pay me when you can"?
valereee (
talk) 22:35, 16 January 2022 (UTC)reply