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I do agree that this article should be merged. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is clearly the direct descendant of the Roman Inquisition. One must also consider the Holy Office, as it was called between 1908 and 1966.
I have added an article on the archive of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Whilst it is at present only open until 1903 (and I do not believe it will be opened further even in the long term), the fact that much information has come out of the record between 1542 and 1902 should certainly warrant an article under the title above.
That link goes to a disambiguation page. The only likely candidate on that page is Antônio Conselheiro. I do not know the background well enough to confirm that this is the intended reference. That page does give some indication of disagreement with the formal religious organisation, but does not give sufficient detail to confirm that this is the person who fell foul of what would at that time have been the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition. Can someone who knows the original intent review the link in question and if appropriate replace the link to the disambig page with a direct reference?-- Shoka 16:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Cannot get a reference to a sub-sub section to work. There is a reasonable discussion of Fr Tissa Balasuriya (Sri Lanka) to fix the next redlink, but I can't make a link to that sub sub section work. Help appreciated.-- Shoka 16:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Robert_Nugent_Lynch looks like a candidate for the next redlink. Again confirm or deny?-- Shoka 17:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Catholic Country does not point to a definition of a catholic country but to a list of countries by catholic population. I was expecting a definition. What was that? — Preceding
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There are lots of articles in Wikipedia which reference a Notification from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (without the wikilink), as if the rest of the world would know what that is. Could somebody with more competence in Roman doctrine please do us the honor of explaining; and then maybe throw in a handful of wikilinks where they would do the most good, including in this article itself? -- Orange Mike | Talk 19:27, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Catholic Hierarchy confirms Ferrer took over on July 1. As shown here. [1] 2601:447:4101:B820:24FC:35F0:61FB:2CB9 ( talk) 14:35, 7 July 2017 (UTC) Also confirms that Muller resigned the same day as well. [2] 2601:447:4101:B820:24FC:35F0:61FB:2CB9 ( talk) 14:35, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Bmclaughlin9 is absolutely correct that Catholic-hierarchy.org is not a reputable source.
Müller's term was scheduled to end on July 2. On July 1, the pope informed Müller that his term would not be renewed. No source suggests that there was a firing or resignation on July 1 which took effect immediately.
I don't endorse every statement in these articles; some are written from a very partisan perspective. But they show no indication that Müller resigned one day before his term ended, or that Pope Francis fired him one day before his term ended. And even if that had happened -- which it didn't -- Ladaria's term would still have begun July 2, with a one-day vacancy between them. — Lawrence King ( talk) 20:33, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, but David Cheney, who operates Catholic Hierarchy and other various Catholic websites, is someone with better inside knowledge than the many news outlets. "The last day of my mandate" is also not at all the same as saying he let him stay one more day. The story's claim that his term officially ended on July 2 was also poorly written. The Pope is the still the head of Church and the appointment for the Prefect is not like the appointment of Bishops who wait for ordination. 68.47.65.239 ( talk) 16:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm afraid David Cheney vs Cardinal Mueller on this one. 2601:447:4101:B820:D507:68D:4ED4:4734 ( talk) 19:16, 10 July 2017 (UTC) I complied with request to not delete the website. Like I had typed before, the story was poorly worded. 2601:447:4101:B820:D507:68D:4ED4:4734 ( talk) 19:21, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Did more research and it turns out the five year term limit policy is even questionable. [6] Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral, but censoring things like that the words of a parish volunteer who writes unsanctioned info about the Church on websites, and yet has not been debunked by the Church throughout all his years of doing this is not at all neutral. 2601:447:4101:B820:D507:68D:4ED4:4734 ( talk) 19:31, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
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Vatican News has been using "Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith" consistently. Rutsq ( talk) 09:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
In phrases like "perform the holy office", I don't know if that's only the Mass (liturgy), some synonym of Sacrament, or includes other things but that other sense of the term (whatever it is exactly) needs to be in the dab hatnote far more than some random movie. — LlywelynII 08:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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I do agree that this article should be merged. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is clearly the direct descendant of the Roman Inquisition. One must also consider the Holy Office, as it was called between 1908 and 1966.
I have added an article on the archive of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Whilst it is at present only open until 1903 (and I do not believe it will be opened further even in the long term), the fact that much information has come out of the record between 1542 and 1902 should certainly warrant an article under the title above.
That link goes to a disambiguation page. The only likely candidate on that page is Antônio Conselheiro. I do not know the background well enough to confirm that this is the intended reference. That page does give some indication of disagreement with the formal religious organisation, but does not give sufficient detail to confirm that this is the person who fell foul of what would at that time have been the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition. Can someone who knows the original intent review the link in question and if appropriate replace the link to the disambig page with a direct reference?-- Shoka 16:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Cannot get a reference to a sub-sub section to work. There is a reasonable discussion of Fr Tissa Balasuriya (Sri Lanka) to fix the next redlink, but I can't make a link to that sub sub section work. Help appreciated.-- Shoka 16:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Robert_Nugent_Lynch looks like a candidate for the next redlink. Again confirm or deny?-- Shoka 17:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Catholic Country does not point to a definition of a catholic country but to a list of countries by catholic population. I was expecting a definition. What was that? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
205.255.224.10 (
talk)
22:18, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
There are lots of articles in Wikipedia which reference a Notification from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (without the wikilink), as if the rest of the world would know what that is. Could somebody with more competence in Roman doctrine please do us the honor of explaining; and then maybe throw in a handful of wikilinks where they would do the most good, including in this article itself? -- Orange Mike | Talk 19:27, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Catholic Hierarchy confirms Ferrer took over on July 1. As shown here. [1] 2601:447:4101:B820:24FC:35F0:61FB:2CB9 ( talk) 14:35, 7 July 2017 (UTC) Also confirms that Muller resigned the same day as well. [2] 2601:447:4101:B820:24FC:35F0:61FB:2CB9 ( talk) 14:35, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Bmclaughlin9 is absolutely correct that Catholic-hierarchy.org is not a reputable source.
Müller's term was scheduled to end on July 2. On July 1, the pope informed Müller that his term would not be renewed. No source suggests that there was a firing or resignation on July 1 which took effect immediately.
I don't endorse every statement in these articles; some are written from a very partisan perspective. But they show no indication that Müller resigned one day before his term ended, or that Pope Francis fired him one day before his term ended. And even if that had happened -- which it didn't -- Ladaria's term would still have begun July 2, with a one-day vacancy between them. — Lawrence King ( talk) 20:33, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, but David Cheney, who operates Catholic Hierarchy and other various Catholic websites, is someone with better inside knowledge than the many news outlets. "The last day of my mandate" is also not at all the same as saying he let him stay one more day. The story's claim that his term officially ended on July 2 was also poorly written. The Pope is the still the head of Church and the appointment for the Prefect is not like the appointment of Bishops who wait for ordination. 68.47.65.239 ( talk) 16:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm afraid David Cheney vs Cardinal Mueller on this one. 2601:447:4101:B820:D507:68D:4ED4:4734 ( talk) 19:16, 10 July 2017 (UTC) I complied with request to not delete the website. Like I had typed before, the story was poorly worded. 2601:447:4101:B820:D507:68D:4ED4:4734 ( talk) 19:21, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Did more research and it turns out the five year term limit policy is even questionable. [6] Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral, but censoring things like that the words of a parish volunteer who writes unsanctioned info about the Church on websites, and yet has not been debunked by the Church throughout all his years of doing this is not at all neutral. 2601:447:4101:B820:D507:68D:4ED4:4734 ( talk) 19:31, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Speedy moved consensus was clear ( non-admin closure) Bettering the Wiki ( talk) 01:01, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith → Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith – The Apostolic Constitution Praedicate Evangelium is active. Bettering the Wiki ( talk) 05:46, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Vatican News has been using "Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith" consistently. Rutsq ( talk) 09:45, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
In phrases like "perform the holy office", I don't know if that's only the Mass (liturgy), some synonym of Sacrament, or includes other things but that other sense of the term (whatever it is exactly) needs to be in the dab hatnote far more than some random movie. — LlywelynII 08:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)