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This page has <onlyinclude> tags in it which were removed by the reverted edit. These tags refer the content to a sandbox version of this and other pages I am building. If you wish to merge this and other pages in the mean time, please ensure the relevant content is still transcluded to my page User:Trev_M/Yoga_asanas (page merging and development). Thanks, Trev M ( talk) 00:11, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
1. User:now.nupe is editing some of the W:Category:Asanas articles, and has undone a referenced edit of mine in this page without providing alternative references (please also note the general style of edits by the users in question).
Apart from what I have received from several professional teachers (following different schools) by word of mouth and so inadmissible here, the following are on-line if not definitive references that support my statement that now.nupe is changing. I do not have a definitive yoga text to quote from right now but I am attempting to get a reference from a definitive yoga text from one of my teachers. In the mean time the following reasonable-standard external links support my edit:
http://www.langkawi-yoga.com/chakrasana-wheel-pose.html ( the reference I gave) gives Halasana or Sarvangasana as the counter pose for Chakrasana.
http://www.free-yoga-classes.com/tag/yoga-poses defines counter pose: A counter pose is a yoga pose that stretches your spine in the opposite direction from a previous pose or returns your spine to a neutral position.
http://www.hathayogamysore.com/Home/courses says chakrasana(counter pose to halasana)
http://www.totalyogapractice.com/FreeYogaNewsletter0705.php says Repeat Dhanurasana 2 - 5 times. Counter pose – Any forward bending asana
http://www.fitsugar.com/Yoga-Pose-Wheel-aka-Backbend-Explained-885472 Hug your knees into your chest to release your lower back. Then roll up to a sitting position and do a Seated Forward Bend as a counter pose.
In the mean time, much "disinformation" has propagated based on this article (see wikitext - too much to display here)
2. I am working in the background – with respect to my own time spent on many articles in Wikipedia and with respect to the appearance of the yoga asana section – to build a page as an alternative to the
List of yoga positions and the non-notable stubs linked only to it. When my page is complete, I will ask for a consensus as to whether it should be substituted or in some other way integrated. Consensus is not a process of one person's dissent preventing change, it is a process of accepting the majority's opinion or seeking to change it, and if this cannot happen, withdrawing one's minority views. I am prepared to abide by this process. I am attempting to build here, in public space, a yoga asana resource of the quality that I would like, that I do not feel able to do within the existing structure of the pages. So far, only two other editors have made any input to this dispute
W:Talk:List of yoga positions who say delete the non-notable articles altogether.
In the mean time, I am using the process of transclusion to allow other editors to continue working on the documents that are incorporated in mine, whilst also making improvements in them myself. If now.nupe wants to merge Dhanurasana and Chakrasana, then I'm not going to argue, as long as my invisible noinclude tags and own merge propsal remain in them. Personally, I don't think merging two Asanas stubs (without even posting a merge proposal, when it is known that someone else is working on them) purely because they happen to be backbends, makes them any more notable and thus worth removing my own "merge" proposal from. So, please can I have my noincludes and the merge template I placed on the Dhanurasana page replaced or the pages reverted.
3. Finally User:now.nupe makes a personal remark about me in W:Talk:List of yoga positions that I ask editors with administrative experience to respond to, please. Trev M ~ 19:43, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Third opinion: In this case, I think I'm going to agree with both of you somewhat. I find Trev M's edits of adding includeonly tags to be marginally disruptive, or confusing at the very least. If you're going to use the templating to include this page elsewhere, then just merge the article into there. Honestly I think that all of these poses should be merged into a List page, and only those with actual notability - like one has a greater significance or something - should get their own articles. Anyway, I more or less undid Now.nupe's edit for several reasons. The first is that it was particularly heavy on external links, particularly to blogs and such. The main reason, though, is that Wikipedia is not a how-to. People shouldn't be coming here to learn how to do yoga poses. There are plenty of other venues for such information - Wikibooks, maybe a yoga-themed Wikia, or other external sites. I think if you were to apply that logic to all the yoga pose pages, you might find that not all of them really deserve their own pages, and it would probably be better shuffled into a list page. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 19:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Why does 'Akarna Dhanurasana' redirect to 'Dhanurasana'? They are two very different poses. Akarna Dhanurasana is a seated pose with the right leg extended without a bend at the knee, right hand touching the big toe of the extended leg, and the left leg bent so that the big toe of the left leg touches the left ear. The left hand holds / supports the left leg in its place. (Of course you repeat the pose with the left leg extended and right leg bent...)
- Sarang — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.195.14.220 ( talk) 07:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
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This page has <onlyinclude> tags in it which were removed by the reverted edit. These tags refer the content to a sandbox version of this and other pages I am building. If you wish to merge this and other pages in the mean time, please ensure the relevant content is still transcluded to my page User:Trev_M/Yoga_asanas (page merging and development). Thanks, Trev M ( talk) 00:11, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
1. User:now.nupe is editing some of the W:Category:Asanas articles, and has undone a referenced edit of mine in this page without providing alternative references (please also note the general style of edits by the users in question).
Apart from what I have received from several professional teachers (following different schools) by word of mouth and so inadmissible here, the following are on-line if not definitive references that support my statement that now.nupe is changing. I do not have a definitive yoga text to quote from right now but I am attempting to get a reference from a definitive yoga text from one of my teachers. In the mean time the following reasonable-standard external links support my edit:
http://www.langkawi-yoga.com/chakrasana-wheel-pose.html ( the reference I gave) gives Halasana or Sarvangasana as the counter pose for Chakrasana.
http://www.free-yoga-classes.com/tag/yoga-poses defines counter pose: A counter pose is a yoga pose that stretches your spine in the opposite direction from a previous pose or returns your spine to a neutral position.
http://www.hathayogamysore.com/Home/courses says chakrasana(counter pose to halasana)
http://www.totalyogapractice.com/FreeYogaNewsletter0705.php says Repeat Dhanurasana 2 - 5 times. Counter pose – Any forward bending asana
http://www.fitsugar.com/Yoga-Pose-Wheel-aka-Backbend-Explained-885472 Hug your knees into your chest to release your lower back. Then roll up to a sitting position and do a Seated Forward Bend as a counter pose.
In the mean time, much "disinformation" has propagated based on this article (see wikitext - too much to display here)
2. I am working in the background – with respect to my own time spent on many articles in Wikipedia and with respect to the appearance of the yoga asana section – to build a page as an alternative to the
List of yoga positions and the non-notable stubs linked only to it. When my page is complete, I will ask for a consensus as to whether it should be substituted or in some other way integrated. Consensus is not a process of one person's dissent preventing change, it is a process of accepting the majority's opinion or seeking to change it, and if this cannot happen, withdrawing one's minority views. I am prepared to abide by this process. I am attempting to build here, in public space, a yoga asana resource of the quality that I would like, that I do not feel able to do within the existing structure of the pages. So far, only two other editors have made any input to this dispute
W:Talk:List of yoga positions who say delete the non-notable articles altogether.
In the mean time, I am using the process of transclusion to allow other editors to continue working on the documents that are incorporated in mine, whilst also making improvements in them myself. If now.nupe wants to merge Dhanurasana and Chakrasana, then I'm not going to argue, as long as my invisible noinclude tags and own merge propsal remain in them. Personally, I don't think merging two Asanas stubs (without even posting a merge proposal, when it is known that someone else is working on them) purely because they happen to be backbends, makes them any more notable and thus worth removing my own "merge" proposal from. So, please can I have my noincludes and the merge template I placed on the Dhanurasana page replaced or the pages reverted.
3. Finally User:now.nupe makes a personal remark about me in W:Talk:List of yoga positions that I ask editors with administrative experience to respond to, please. Trev M ~ 19:43, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Third opinion: In this case, I think I'm going to agree with both of you somewhat. I find Trev M's edits of adding includeonly tags to be marginally disruptive, or confusing at the very least. If you're going to use the templating to include this page elsewhere, then just merge the article into there. Honestly I think that all of these poses should be merged into a List page, and only those with actual notability - like one has a greater significance or something - should get their own articles. Anyway, I more or less undid Now.nupe's edit for several reasons. The first is that it was particularly heavy on external links, particularly to blogs and such. The main reason, though, is that Wikipedia is not a how-to. People shouldn't be coming here to learn how to do yoga poses. There are plenty of other venues for such information - Wikibooks, maybe a yoga-themed Wikia, or other external sites. I think if you were to apply that logic to all the yoga pose pages, you might find that not all of them really deserve their own pages, and it would probably be better shuffled into a list page. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 19:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Why does 'Akarna Dhanurasana' redirect to 'Dhanurasana'? They are two very different poses. Akarna Dhanurasana is a seated pose with the right leg extended without a bend at the knee, right hand touching the big toe of the extended leg, and the left leg bent so that the big toe of the left leg touches the left ear. The left hand holds / supports the left leg in its place. (Of course you repeat the pose with the left leg extended and right leg bent...)
- Sarang — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.195.14.220 ( talk) 07:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)