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Is it worth mentioning the stuff Cat Yronwoode mentions about Dez allegedly snaffling up Miracleman royalty payments by claiming to be an agent for Mick Austin a/o? Does anyone know anything further about this? I've got scans of a Comics International feature where Dez says something along the lines of "Cat's apologised for criticising me in MM #24" or somesuch, but sadly there's no issue number on the scans. Anyone got any further information? Is this even worth mentioning considering Yronwoode could have basically been gibbering about nothing in the first place, or that it could have been a storm in a teacup which was sorted at the time?
Tom Prankerd 21:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed the following material from the article as it still seems to be a source of contention and the citations are weak: -- stoshmaster ( talk) 21:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
In 2006 Skinn was sued in the High Court of Justice by Mick Anglo's family for inappropriately appropriating Marvelman. [1]
And here's the material about Skinn's book Comix: The Underground Revolution (which I've left there for now) which seems to undermine the attack:
In 2004 Skinn authored the book Comix: The Underground Revolution for publisher Collins & Brown. Skinn's authorship of the book was contested by Patrick Rosenkranz and Trina Robbins. Rosenkranz alleged that Skinn had "extensively ''borrowed'' from his own book Rebel Visions: The Underground Comix Revolution 1963-1975, helping himself to quotes from many interviews" and reprinting "seven of my photographs without my permission". Skinn responded by insisting that "No theft was intended". [2] Robbins noted that she wrote Chapter 6, "Girls on Top?" but was not given credit. "... Dez e-mailed me with a request to contribute a chapter on women in the underground ... I did get paid for it ... one usually expects to be credited for what one writes". [3]
And regarding Skinn's first Comic Heroes column:
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I think there's a lot wrong with this article. The controversy section is wrong per the MOS, we don;t have such sections. It also contains a lot of unsourced statements regarding what happened. There are also a number of instances of weasel words and peacock terms, for example, in a number of instances Skinn is described as being "head-hunted". Unless we can source these assertions, we should use more neutrally minded language. The whole section on his involvement in chatlines is unsourced and again worded in a biased manner, and appears to be original research, perhaps based upon first hand knowledge. If it isn't verifiable in reliable, secondary sources, then it will ultimately have to go. I think it is also somewhat unbalanced, mostly due to the controversy header; rewriting the section an integrating it better into the article will establish better context. I think there also needs to be better sourcing regarding a lot of the claims Skinn is alleged to have made regarding copyrights, character conception and phrase coinage. There also needs to be sources found for the quotations used, and it generally needs copyediting for spelling and something of a complete rewrite based upon all the above concerns. I also removed a large number of commented out paragraphs; I don't think that's acceptable per WP:BLP. They're either in or they are out. Hiding T 11:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Former Comics International editor Phil Hall has made numerous allegations about Skinn's character, including claiming that Skinn fired him in January 1997 for missing a business meeting to attend his mother's funeral. [1]. Skinn claims that as Hall was working freelance, he could not be fired and that Hall's memory must be at fault as his mother had died almost a year earlier.
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Is it worth mentioning the stuff Cat Yronwoode mentions about Dez allegedly snaffling up Miracleman royalty payments by claiming to be an agent for Mick Austin a/o? Does anyone know anything further about this? I've got scans of a Comics International feature where Dez says something along the lines of "Cat's apologised for criticising me in MM #24" or somesuch, but sadly there's no issue number on the scans. Anyone got any further information? Is this even worth mentioning considering Yronwoode could have basically been gibbering about nothing in the first place, or that it could have been a storm in a teacup which was sorted at the time?
Tom Prankerd 21:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed the following material from the article as it still seems to be a source of contention and the citations are weak: -- stoshmaster ( talk) 21:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
In 2006 Skinn was sued in the High Court of Justice by Mick Anglo's family for inappropriately appropriating Marvelman. [1]
And here's the material about Skinn's book Comix: The Underground Revolution (which I've left there for now) which seems to undermine the attack:
In 2004 Skinn authored the book Comix: The Underground Revolution for publisher Collins & Brown. Skinn's authorship of the book was contested by Patrick Rosenkranz and Trina Robbins. Rosenkranz alleged that Skinn had "extensively ''borrowed'' from his own book Rebel Visions: The Underground Comix Revolution 1963-1975, helping himself to quotes from many interviews" and reprinting "seven of my photographs without my permission". Skinn responded by insisting that "No theft was intended". [2] Robbins noted that she wrote Chapter 6, "Girls on Top?" but was not given credit. "... Dez e-mailed me with a request to contribute a chapter on women in the underground ... I did get paid for it ... one usually expects to be credited for what one writes". [3]
And regarding Skinn's first Comic Heroes column:
References
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I think there's a lot wrong with this article. The controversy section is wrong per the MOS, we don;t have such sections. It also contains a lot of unsourced statements regarding what happened. There are also a number of instances of weasel words and peacock terms, for example, in a number of instances Skinn is described as being "head-hunted". Unless we can source these assertions, we should use more neutrally minded language. The whole section on his involvement in chatlines is unsourced and again worded in a biased manner, and appears to be original research, perhaps based upon first hand knowledge. If it isn't verifiable in reliable, secondary sources, then it will ultimately have to go. I think it is also somewhat unbalanced, mostly due to the controversy header; rewriting the section an integrating it better into the article will establish better context. I think there also needs to be better sourcing regarding a lot of the claims Skinn is alleged to have made regarding copyrights, character conception and phrase coinage. There also needs to be sources found for the quotations used, and it generally needs copyediting for spelling and something of a complete rewrite based upon all the above concerns. I also removed a large number of commented out paragraphs; I don't think that's acceptable per WP:BLP. They're either in or they are out. Hiding T 11:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Former Comics International editor Phil Hall has made numerous allegations about Skinn's character, including claiming that Skinn fired him in January 1997 for missing a business meeting to attend his mother's funeral. [1]. Skinn claims that as Hall was working freelance, he could not be fired and that Hall's memory must be at fault as his mother had died almost a year earlier.
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