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The term Developed country is misguided. The terms Economically more developed country or More economically developed country (EMDC/MEDC) are more politically correct, and describe the situation more clearly. They are also terms modern geographers use, to avoid POV's as much as possible.
Shall I rename the page, and do a slight rewrite? Then maybe it will be clearer to point out which countries are to be named. This controversy about Developed country vs. developing country will also be mentioned in the rewrite.
I am also proposing the same idea on developing country.
List concerns/comments here! PeregrineAY 22:09, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Both disputed lists currently have very vague sources. Unless somebody can come up with some concrete references neither list should be included in Wikipedia. Joe D (t) 12:24, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
I believe this is quite exhaustive. Combine this information with List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita and UN Human Development Index and you'll have a pretty good idea of which countries are developed. — Cantus… ☎ 05:47, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
I wonder is it imperative to list nations that are generally regarded as developed nations? Though I agree with the current list, some people and stats may disagree. It might be a better to stay away from potential source of dispute. -- Taku 03:23, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
I removed Argentina because Britannica says:
And I don't think Argentina recovered considerably recently. -- Taku 04:17, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
OECD How about using the membership of OECD as one criterion of developed nations? The list seems very similar to the list we have now? -- Taku 04:25, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
I used Developed Countries Contact List and and memberships of OECD as source. I think this is fine. If we found a better source, we can switch the list to it. -- Taku 04:47, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
From developing nation: "The United Nations allows each nation to decide for itself whether it will be designated as "undeveloped" or "developing" (though many economists and other observers ignore the UN rule about self-designation)."
Is it the same for developed nations? -- Jiang 00:49, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I think the sources we're using are quite subjective, such as having Argentina listed for being a member of OECD: [1]. Isn't there a better way of doing this? -- Jiang 01:09, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Why is Brunei, a member of the UNEP DTIE Ozone Action Programme, left out? That list includes the EU as a partner. Do we include all EU countries? --` Jiang
This method of categorization doesn't work. Singapore and Andorra, for example, are clearly developed countries. They may not be part of certain international organizations because of their relative size, but that shouldn't discount them from being recognized as developed. -- TwinsFan48
Why don't you use the HDI (Human Development Index), provide by the United nations? It's by far the best and most accurate source to check what countries are developed or not.
Link to the full report: http://www.undp.org/hdr2003/pdf/hdr03_HDI.pdf
How come dependencies aren't included, or even mentioned, in this article. I've tried to add them a number of times, but they've been deleted. I think the Netherlands Antilles, Puerto Rico, Bermuda, French Polynesia, etc., are industrialized enough to be included. What's the problem?
This is the third time someone has deleted my mention of dependencies. Why are they not included? Can someone explain????? Hihellowhatsup 21:53, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
The country you mention above cannot classified as developed country.If is so,we also must take UAE,Brunei and Qatar as developed country.Why? because these country as the article say were depend overwhelming to oil production.As well as dependencies country,they also depend overwhelming for tourism industry and they did'nt have enough criteria industry to become as developed country.
--> Simple. Dependencies are NOT countries. The mention of a country implicitly includes its dependencies. There aren't any significant colonial empires remaining in deep poverty compared to their oftentimes more populous parent countries. The overwhelming majority of dependencies of developed countries are themselves at least almost as developed as the parent country.
So why don't we list dependencies separately? Well, beyond Bermuda, numerous tiny dependencies exist, from Anguilla to Saint Helena to tiny Norfolk Island. Even more dependencies lack any permanent population whatsoever, including the Coral Sea Islands, the French Antarctic Territory, Diego Garcia, and the Guano Islands.
Many of these dependencies are too small to declare "developed" without their relationship to a developed parent country. Limited population generally constrains potential economic diversification. These resulting single-industry nations, such as those of the West Indies, often lack "developed" status that their GDP seems to allow them.
Ok, but couldn't dependencies be mentioned somewhere in the article. I think it's only fair Hihellowhatsup 21:53, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Go ahead! WP:Be bold. But be aware that most dependencies don't need to be mentioned. Add ones that are unique (For example, Saint Helena is a dependency of the UK, and can be safely assumed that it is also a developed area/part of the developed nation).
http://www.worldbank.org/data/countryclass/classgroups.htm
I think the following countries should be included in the list:
These should be included for main reasons:
What we are seeing recently in Wikipedia is that, to include something, it must be cited from a source. Fair enough, but the fact is that, if reasons are proved, then it is also good to include those facts. Remember that Wikipedia isn't only simply a collection of facts from other sources, but rather an encyclopedia which gives its own facts if they are correct. Cantus said, "do not change info that was taken for a credited source". I did not change the info of the CIA World Factbook, because I clearly said that these countries can "also" be considered developed nations due to the above reasons.
It's not fare to leave out the V4 countries out of the list, please consider putting them on the developed list. And Turkey is not considered developed, many of the sectors of Turkey are in full fledged poverty. Thanks for reading.
With Hong Kong SAR, I corrected it to Hong Kong SAR from Hong Kong because is not a "developed nation" in the sense that while it is developed, it is not an independent nation. Therefore, we can either take it off the list, which would be a tad unfair, or we could rename it Hong Kong, China or the most common name "Hong Kong SAR" (Special Administrative Region). Rronline 06:17, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Do we want to add South Africa and/or maybe Egypt, just in the interest in having something from Africa on the list? Pakaran (ark a pan) 15:22, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a Mexican and I'm only giving the inside perspective about my country. Mexico is not a developed country, we feel we still have a long way to go, we went to the OECD mostly to learn from the experts. know we have democracy, but while insecurity and emigration to U.S. keep being a mayor issue no one from here would dare to say the contrary.
Bulgaria does not belong on the list, while these countries/dependencies do Aruba, Bahamas, The, Bahrain, Brunei, Cayman Islands, Qatar, Channel Islands, French Polynesia, Greenland, Guam, Isle of Man, Kuwait, Macao, China, Netherlands Antilles, New Caledonia, Puerto Rico, United Arab Emirates , and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Although some of these areas such as, Kuwait, Bahrain, Brunei, Qatar, and UAE are dependent on one source of income they are quickly diversifying their economies to solve this problem. -- Newtype88 (unsigned)
How can you people consider Turkey developed? Look up more info on what country is developed. I definitely think that new Europe should be on the developed countries list.
There hasn't been any discussion of ongoing issues on this talk page for over a week now, so I've removed protection. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 13:41, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I hope people agree with the changes I made. First off, I think that the Czech republic should be on this list, its development in comparison its neighbors in eastern Europe puts it closer to the sphere of influence of the developed nations of western Europe. Secondly, I checked, and Bermuda isn't even self governing. I removed it from the list considering its government is run by the united kingdom, which is already on the list.
Okay, but if you consider Czech Republic developed what about the country that has the most modern economy in central Europe, 'Poland'? And what about Hungary, or even Slovakia? I think that the V4 should definitely be on the list. Their GDP is growing rapidly fast soon they will join the ranks of other older EU members. The definition of eastern Europe is getting phased out, it no longer complies. There is only one Europe now.
Powertranz, please stop reverting this article. My version is based on facts from the sources cited, not speculations. Read your own post above, it is full of speculations. My version is based on facts and not my view of the world. Thank you. — Cantus… ☎ 00:34, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
Hi. You say "it is obvious all EU members are developed". That is a POV statement. Looking at the data from the UN, World Bank, IMF, OECD, CIA, I can't find anywhere where they consider Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, or Poland developed countries. Yet some of these sources do consider Turkey a developed nation. Please look at the FACTS before reverting to your preferred version. Also, please sign your posts using <nowicki> 68.12.219.7 01:38, 23 September 2005 (UTC)</nowicki> in the future. Thank you. — Cantus… ☎ 06:42, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
Show me one reputable source that says all 25 EU members are developed countries. Until then, please look at the evidence and stop reverting. Thank you. — Cantus… ☎ 10:28, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
Just write the thing so that you both agree on it. There's plenty of ways to decide whether a country is developed or not, so you can't produce a definitive list. If some sources say one thing, and the others the other, just write which sources say what. Zocky 12:32, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
No talk page edits by contributors since May 18, I see. I have protected this for 24 hours to get contributors to stop reverting and instead work out their differences on Talk. Revert wars are just as sterile even if the editors are experienced enough to stay just within the 3RR. Please contact me or any admin if things have been constructively addressed before the 24 hours are up.-- Bishonen | talk 12:48, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
Right, thank you for your message, and I'm very sorry you got no response from posting on WP:AN. If Powertranz is a vandal, he's not a very active one—as you say, he only edits this page—so I won't block him. If he should continue to edit war without replying to messages once the page is unprotected, though, I certainly will block him (and the same with anybody else who does that). I'll try to keep an eye on it, but it would be good if you'd also notify me if that happens. And please try to message Powertranz here, not just on his page, so that others can follow the progress of the discussion (I'm hoping there will be progress!). Bishonen | talk 11:36, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I am sorry I haven't replied in a while. Now concerning the argument that I've been having with Cantus, 'him calling a vandal' is unjustly and impolite. All I want is for this page to be left the way it is right now, it's correct and adequate. My only argument is that I want all of the EU members to be included in the Developed list. That's all. -- Powertranz | talk 14:49 Nov 24 2005 (UTC)
The UN link leads to the map that clearly shows all of EU members as developed. And I'm not sure what good is the OECD link, since its members include most of Eastern Europe and Mexico, but not some Eastern European countries which are just as developed or more developed than, say, Slovakia, e.g. Slovenia and Estonia. Zocky 11:16, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Why won't you just leave the version that Bishonen had it's direct and accurate. -- Powertranz | talk 14:25 Nov 25 2005 (UTC)
I suggest we only list those countries that all of the main sources agree on, and beneath the list we discuss those that the sources do not agree on. This has the added benefit of giving us the option of discussing why the sources do not agree on those countries. Joe D (t) 20:18, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Powertranz, could you please, on this Talk: page, directly quote and link to the sources which consider Czech republic, Hungary, Poland, and Slovenia to be "developed"? I'm sure that will help clear up any problems. Jayjg (talk) 23:28, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
I added Czechia, Hungary and Poland to the bottom for being newly developed nations (middle class if you will). Which infact many sources do cite they are, I don't even have to search it out it's listed all over Wikipedia. -- Powertranz | talk 11:42 27 May 2005 (UTC)
(The following links were added by Powertranz)
That the V4 are middle class so I classified them as so, link is here * United Nations Statistics Division (developed regions). So there. -- Powertranz | talk 14:57, May 29 2005 (UTC)
I will agree with you on that one, personally I've been to both Turkey and the V4 countries recently and I noticed that the living standards are a lot higher int he V4 countries (especially Poland & Czechia). I don't think we should be adding Turkey as developed in my opinion, it's overall economic situation is improving but not yet on par with developed countries. I think we should add the V4 countries as developed and obviously Slovenia. -- Powertranz | talk 13:25, May 30 2005 (UTC)
I've been clearly reading about Turkish situation and it's no better then Poland's, Hungary's, and Czech's. It purchasing parity is lower the Irans, half of Turkey lives in "poverty" do you see that in central Europe? Don't even add Turkey in the same context as developed statistics prove it; IRAN: purchasing power parity - $7,700 (2004 est.) - TURKEY: purchasing power parity - $7,400 (2004 est.). -- Powertranz | talk 1:10, May 30 2005 (UTC)
Cantus if you wouldn't mind give me the exact link demonstrating that Turkey is considered developed. Thanks. -- Powertranz | talk 14:46, 1 June 2005 (UTC)
Should Slovenia be added to the list of developed nations?
Pro: a) The World Bank and the United Nations classify it as a developed nation. See: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/mi/developed_new.htm (under developed and listed as high-income) http://www.worldbank.org/data/countryclass/classgroups.htm#High_income (under developed along with Malta and Cyprus)
b) It's HDI index is just below Portugal's (a difference 0.002 points, 1 being the maximum possible) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_HDI_index#Top_thirty_countries http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2004/pdf/hdr04_HDI.pdf
Note that the page says that the report (published for 2004) has most of the data from 2001 or 2002, and because Slovenia had a bigger economic growth than Portugal since then, it's most likely that economic indicators have pushed the country ahead of Portugal.
c) It's GDP per capita (2005 estimate) PPP is larger than Greece's and Portugal's (21,695 compared to 21,529 and 19,949 respectively). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita
d) It is a member of the EU and NATO, a donor to the World Bank (the first transition country to do that). http://lnweb18.worldbank.org/ECA/eca.nsf/0/8F40611796782AAE85256E5A0054CC6D?OpenDocument
e) It is the most developed post-communist country in Europe (see HDI index and GDP per capita figures).
Con: a) It is a post-communist state.
b) It is not a member of the OECD (Although this is a weird fact, considering it's more developed than some of the OECD's members and is hoping of entering soon). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OECD
My personal judgement is that the pro's outweigh the con's, I would like to add it to the list, but first I want to hear your comments. edolen1 18:08, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
This edit warring is not helping the article any. I'm going to block Powertranz for 24 hours for 3RR violations. Bishonen | talk 21:43, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
Just in case anyone has a problem with it, here are the changes I made to the other cases Central and Eastern Europe point:
changed remain significantly less affluent than western Europe to remain less affluent than the EU-15 member states. Firstly, saying they're significantly less affluent is not fair, because countries like Czechia, Slovenia, Malta and Cyprus are actually very close to the "developed countries" of the EU-15 - Spain, Greece, Portugal, etc. So there's no significant difference in affluence. Others like Hungary, Slovakia, Estonia are somewhat less affluent. The only ones it can be said are significantly less affluent are Poland, Lithuania and Latvia, who are at around 50% of the EU average. So I think it's better we let the text be more general - now it just says they're less affluent, but not by what margin. Secondly, this western Europe thing. Western Europe I tend to see as a fairly controversial definition. It's better that we use the more precise term in this case, and say EU-15, since we're specifically referring to the "old" EU members, which the article states are all developed, in comparison to the 2004 new ones. Ronline 10:08, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Please tell me where did you hear this? Baltic states richer then Poland? Poland still remains a popular destination for investments. It's GDP is low because it's a bigger country thus more money needs to be added from the EU fund. This is from Warsaw Business Journal an estimate for the future.
A favorable EU budget could make Poland Europe's sixth economic power 19th May 2005
A favorable EU budget could make Poland Europe's sixth economic power
If European Union leaders agree to a budget which is favorable for Poland for 2007-2013, then living standards in the country will rise so that it will be only 40% lower than the one in Germany in eight years time.
Over this period, the average person's purchasing parity would increase from 46% to 58% of the EU average. At the same time, the figure for Germany would drop from 106% of the EU average to 103%. This would mean that Poland would follow the economic success of Spain. The draft budget supported by the European Commission would see net transfer of 3.79% of Poland's GNP each year. According to data from the Vienna Institute of Economic Studies, by 2013 Poland's GNP would increase by one-third to EUR 299 billion. This would mean that Poland could become the sixth most important economic power in the EU. Now it all depends on the structure of the new EU budget, which could result in structural funds of between EUR 57-62 billion flowing into Poland during 2007-2013. -- Powertranz | talk 12:50, June 3 2005 (UTC)
The article states, "Organizations such as the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the Central Intelligence Agency, generally agree that the group of developed countries include..."
However, the CIA world factbook defines "Developed countries (DCs)" as "the top group in the hierarchy of developed countries (DCs), former USSR/Eastern Europe (former USSR/EE), and less developed countries (LDCs); includes the market-oriented economies of the mainly democratic nations in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), Bermuda, Israel, South Africa, and the European ministates; also known as the First World, high-income countries, the North, industrial countries; generally have a per capita GDP in excess of $10,000 although four OECD countries and South Africa have figures well under $10,000 and two of the excluded OPEC countries have figures of more than $10,000; the 34 DCs are: Andorra, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bermuda, Canada, Denmark, Faroe Islands, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Holy See, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, Netherlands, NZ, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, UK, US; note - similar to the new International Monetary Fund (IMF) term "advanced economies" that adds Hong Kong, South Korea, Singapore, and Taiwan but drops Malta, Mexico, South Africa, and Turkey".
This suggests that there is no consensus. We should perhaps give seperate lists for the World Bank, IMF, CIA, etc. -- Ji ang 03:05, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I certainly think a list would be helpful since the list itself (or the multiple lists) is not lengthy and can easily fit on the page. the disagreement is over a few items on the list, sufficently explained above by the factbook and not the entire list. -- Ji ang 03:37, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
The Human Development Index ( HDI) is a standard UN measure/ rank of how developed a country is or is not. It is a composite index based on GDP per capita (PPP), literacy, life expectancy, and school enrollment. However, as it is a composite index/rank, some may challenge its usefulness or applicability as information.
Thus, the following question is put to a vote:
Should any, some, or all of the following be included in the Wikipedia Infobox#Countries|country infobox/template:
YES / NO / UNDECIDED/ABSTAIN - vote here
Thanks!
E Pluribus Anthony 01:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I need to look for numbers to back this up but i'm oretty sure Trinidad and Tobago is more dependent on the oil industry than it is on the tourism industry.
Hi. I would like to propose adding Slovenia to the list of non-OECD developed countries, for the following reasons:
So, in both of these indicators, Slovenia is ahead of a developed country - Portugal - and at about the same level as other developed countries such as Greece. Is there any valid reason for not adding it to the main list? The Czech Republic has also overtaken Portugal in GDP per capita, but as of yet it still lags a little bit behind in HDI. But this is another potential country to add to the list. Thanks,
Ronline
✉ 13:38, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Should Taiwan be considered a seperate developed entity than China? In my opinion it should since it is largelly independent. Zachorious 06:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Well the problem is that the reason mentioned isn't that strong. Anyone can claim another country as their land but it doesn't make it so. For example Sudan can claim that the United States as their land or vice versa but it doesn't make it so. Taiwan still operates independently so I am going to research the % of the Taiwanese people that want to remain a seperate country. If most of the population is for independence while already doing things independently, then China really has no right over the "nation". So I will research and find some more information before I decide whether to movee Taiwan to the list. Zachorious 02:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Taiwan is a part of China, history already verified it. If not so, Hainan province would be an independent country. People in Taiwan speak Chinese, write and read Chinese. Are they not Chinese? I don't think so. Chinese is Chinese!!!!! this is a fact!!!! there is only one China in the world! If they want to be treated as an independent country, referendum should be needed in this case and let 1.3 billion people in China, including Taiwan itself, decide. 70.52.73.108 19:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Sure they can, but recognisation of independence by other countries is a deciding factor. In this case, most countries do not recognise Taiwan as an independent country, because of the economic importance of China. I should imagine those countries that recognise Taiwan have no strong/significant links to China, if they exist at all.
Equiratorial Guinea has one of the highest GDPs in the world. It is clearly not a developed country but it isn't mentioned. Similar Barbados has not only a fairly high GDP as mentioned but a high HDI. Indeed a number of the Carribean nations are similar. Again I'm not suggesting they are developed, simply that this is not mentioned. I dont have time to do it myself Nil Einne 16:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
This statement as it stood, while technically correct was confusing. It mentions Bulgarian and Romania as being significantly less affluent and then later goes on to say all EU members have a GDP per capita higher then the gloval average. However Bulgaria and Romania do not. I have modified it accordingly. However I have greater concerns about the way this is phrased. It compares the contries to the EU-15 but fails completely to mention that a number of these countries are in the range with other countries that many regard to be developing. Romania and Bulgaria being the primary examples are below countries many regard as to be developing in GDP per capitata (such as Malaysia and Chile) and indeed Bulgarian in particular has a HDI below 0.8. Perhaps by the time they become EU members things will be different but when need to make it clear that it's not just in comparison with the EU-15 members that they appear to be developing. Nil Einne 17:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
This has been protected for weeks and week, and there doesn't seem to be any ongoing discussion, so I'm unprotecting. -- Tony Sidaway 19:23, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry but I think Turkey belongs to this category. Turkey has an increasing economy, and may be in the EU. But I think this article is written by an " EU person", who hates Turkey. I want to change that mistake... Thanks.
Turkey is considered a developing country and not developed by all credible sources (IMF, World Bank, CIA, OECD). It is easy to see why. Per capita income is aprox $8.000, whereas for developed countries listed is above $20.000. Human development index is 0.75-medium, whereas for developed countries listed is above 0.9-high. We dont hate Turkey, we sometimes visit it as well. And when we do, frankly, we can see for ourselves why it is not listed on developed nations. Mywayyy 00:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps you haven't seen eastern Turkey, I certainly have and I can tell you it is nothing like western Turkey. Turkey has a loooong way to go before it is classified a developed country. That said, it is one of the more developed of the developed of the developing nations. And it is developing.
Before writing your own opinion, it is surely better to take a look at the research of CIA via " https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/appendix/appendix-b.html" under "developed countries". Rutilicus
Would Malaysia be considered a developed country, or developing country? It is a highly developed developing country if it is not a developed country... Yes, that confused me as well :P
Somebody tried to add Malaysia items into the list, meanwhile, to remove South Korea from the list; however, I don't think that Malaysia is considered a developed country because of its HDI(0.796) and GDP per capita($12,106). -- Nicolehayashi 16:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
This actical is BS and totally inaccurate. for example slovenia is clearly more developed in all regard to portugal yet is not of the list. why? ah, because it was communist and "newly industrialized." Here is a clue ALL of eastern europe has been industrialized for years! Have you not heard of the russian industrial revolution, it came much before places like Southern Europe! I would like some one to tell me why slovenia is not on the list? else it should be added.
Cyprus is classfied as an "advanced economy" by the IMF..... Sevenstar22:35 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Taiwan, Hong Kong are developed economies. however, the People's Republic of China, a developing country, claims the sovereignty and land of the first, and exercises sovereignty over the latter two.(vgiom330)
Casey 14 If taiwan really is a nation state then why are other countries cutting off diplomatic relations with Taiwan? they should oppose China, shouldn't they? so Casey 14 whenever you say that Taiwan is independent, think about your how your country cut off it's formal relation with ROC and how Taiwan's constitution still states it's relations with the mainland.
Cyprus, Faroe Islands, Bermuda are generally not considered developed countries because these economies depend overwhelmingly on the tourist industry.(vgiom330)
Cyprus is classfied as an "advanced economy" by the IMF. Faroe Islands and Bermuda are classified as DCs by the CIA...... BbJeffery]
Nevertheless, Cyprus's HDI is still below 0.9. Should Cyprus be included in the list? I noticed that someone added Cyprus into the list again. -- Nicolehayashi 16:37, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello all: I'm not too familiar with this page but judging from the consensus of the sources and editors above, South Korea should be listed as a developed country. An anonymous IP has been deleting South Korea from the list and I think this has been going on for a while to the point of this page being semi-protected a couple of months ago. Any advice would be appreciated to resolve the vandalism. Thanks. Tortfeasor 06:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
WTF???? Someone needs to correct the recent vandalism ( I think it was by 218.186.8.10). What the heck is North Korea, Nepal, Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, ect. there? These are not developed countries. And what happened to the other developed countries? And how come no one did anything for nearly 5 days? I'll try to correct the problem. Zachorious 08:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I think I have restored the list to normal, but you never know. If the list is still missing any that was there then add it. Also this page needs to be watched more because it seems to be vandalized a lot. Zachorious 09:28, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
It seems as if these countries are developed, and should be mentioned in the second section along with Hong Kong, Slovenia, etc. Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay both have high standards of living, high literacy rates, and are industrialized. They should at least receive some mention. Casey14 22:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
-- J intela 11:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe that Slovenia should be listed as a developed country, in that there is no longer any real difference in any indicator between it and other developed countries. For one, the country is classified as high-income by the World Bank, having a GDP per capita higher than that of Portugal. It also had a HDI higher than 0.9, which this article sets as the "development benchmark" for developed countries. Furthermore, it is, since 2007, a member of the Eurozone, and the IMF classifies all Eurozone economies as "advanced economies". Consequently, there is no rational reason as to why Slovenia should be omitted from the list. The cases of the Czech Republic and Slovakia are a bit more complex. The Czech Republic considers itself to be developed (see its official website) which, according to the UN, makes it meet the criteria (since the UN defines "developed countries" as being a category of voluntary association). The country also meets another developed country criteria: it is a net donor to the World Bank. On the other hand, it fails to meet the other criteria, by a small margin:
Personally, I would consider the Czech Republic developed in light of the above statistics, since in 2006 it probably did make the standard. However, it probably needs one or two years in order to more fully meet all of the criteria. The third country you brought up was Slovakia, which I believe is rather different to the above two. First of all, Slovakia's performance in the EU-8 group is rather average: if we were to list Slovakia as developed, then we would also have to list Estonia, Hungary, Lithuania, and probably Poland, Bulgaria and Romania as well. Slovakia fails to meet all of the criteria for developed-country status, by a rather sizeable margin:
So, if we're looking into the prospects of those three countries to be developed nations, I would say: Slovenia is already one, the Czech Republic barely makes it, but we can consider it developed by 2006/07, while Slovakia will become developed by 2009 at the earliest. By 2010, I believe that all of the EU-8 except Poland (and perhaps Latvia) will be considered developed countries (high-income and with a HDI of 0.9+).
Ronline
✉ 13:36, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
just go to cia world fact book mexico is number 14th in GPD
-- J intela 08:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
"Other parts of the world" mentions several countries as potential Developed countreis without giving references. Please note OR here is not that you gave reference for countries' GDP. It is OR because it claims a country is "likely to join the ranks of developed nations" without giving a clear source on that. Wikipedians are not in charge of identifing those countries. Outside researchers should say which country is "likely to join the ranks of developed nations". You should either bring reliable source clearly mention a country as potential developed country or it is OR. Farmanesh 16:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
There is this user that added Brazil to the list of "Other parts of the world". That's ok I guess, but he refuses to add sources. I had to edit his contributions, as they seem to be just boosterism practices with a lot of unencyclopedic statements. I formatted his references (one of them didn't even mention that the "south of Brazil is considered first world and the north third world) and use it properly to indicate that this expert guy thinks Brazil will reach EU standards by 2050. That was far most important and he didn't even see that. Well, that's not the point.
He just keeps reverting and adding his unsourced claims and call my reverts "vandalism". I tried to talk to him, I even was friendly and asked him to add sources, but he just refuses to listen. Can somebody else try to talk to him? He just won't listen to me. The problem is easy to fix: just adding sources. Thanks.
Alex
Covarrubias
( Talk? ) 17:10, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
For all non-sover. states like Hong Kong, Macau, Bermuda were written in italic forms. 74.14.122.64 22:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
theres no source listed, and it looks flawed.
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The term Developed country is misguided. The terms Economically more developed country or More economically developed country (EMDC/MEDC) are more politically correct, and describe the situation more clearly. They are also terms modern geographers use, to avoid POV's as much as possible.
Shall I rename the page, and do a slight rewrite? Then maybe it will be clearer to point out which countries are to be named. This controversy about Developed country vs. developing country will also be mentioned in the rewrite.
I am also proposing the same idea on developing country.
List concerns/comments here! PeregrineAY 22:09, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Both disputed lists currently have very vague sources. Unless somebody can come up with some concrete references neither list should be included in Wikipedia. Joe D (t) 12:24, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
I believe this is quite exhaustive. Combine this information with List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita and UN Human Development Index and you'll have a pretty good idea of which countries are developed. — Cantus… ☎ 05:47, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
I wonder is it imperative to list nations that are generally regarded as developed nations? Though I agree with the current list, some people and stats may disagree. It might be a better to stay away from potential source of dispute. -- Taku 03:23, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
I removed Argentina because Britannica says:
And I don't think Argentina recovered considerably recently. -- Taku 04:17, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
OECD How about using the membership of OECD as one criterion of developed nations? The list seems very similar to the list we have now? -- Taku 04:25, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
I used Developed Countries Contact List and and memberships of OECD as source. I think this is fine. If we found a better source, we can switch the list to it. -- Taku 04:47, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
From developing nation: "The United Nations allows each nation to decide for itself whether it will be designated as "undeveloped" or "developing" (though many economists and other observers ignore the UN rule about self-designation)."
Is it the same for developed nations? -- Jiang 00:49, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I think the sources we're using are quite subjective, such as having Argentina listed for being a member of OECD: [1]. Isn't there a better way of doing this? -- Jiang 01:09, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Why is Brunei, a member of the UNEP DTIE Ozone Action Programme, left out? That list includes the EU as a partner. Do we include all EU countries? --` Jiang
This method of categorization doesn't work. Singapore and Andorra, for example, are clearly developed countries. They may not be part of certain international organizations because of their relative size, but that shouldn't discount them from being recognized as developed. -- TwinsFan48
Why don't you use the HDI (Human Development Index), provide by the United nations? It's by far the best and most accurate source to check what countries are developed or not.
Link to the full report: http://www.undp.org/hdr2003/pdf/hdr03_HDI.pdf
How come dependencies aren't included, or even mentioned, in this article. I've tried to add them a number of times, but they've been deleted. I think the Netherlands Antilles, Puerto Rico, Bermuda, French Polynesia, etc., are industrialized enough to be included. What's the problem?
This is the third time someone has deleted my mention of dependencies. Why are they not included? Can someone explain????? Hihellowhatsup 21:53, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
The country you mention above cannot classified as developed country.If is so,we also must take UAE,Brunei and Qatar as developed country.Why? because these country as the article say were depend overwhelming to oil production.As well as dependencies country,they also depend overwhelming for tourism industry and they did'nt have enough criteria industry to become as developed country.
--> Simple. Dependencies are NOT countries. The mention of a country implicitly includes its dependencies. There aren't any significant colonial empires remaining in deep poverty compared to their oftentimes more populous parent countries. The overwhelming majority of dependencies of developed countries are themselves at least almost as developed as the parent country.
So why don't we list dependencies separately? Well, beyond Bermuda, numerous tiny dependencies exist, from Anguilla to Saint Helena to tiny Norfolk Island. Even more dependencies lack any permanent population whatsoever, including the Coral Sea Islands, the French Antarctic Territory, Diego Garcia, and the Guano Islands.
Many of these dependencies are too small to declare "developed" without their relationship to a developed parent country. Limited population generally constrains potential economic diversification. These resulting single-industry nations, such as those of the West Indies, often lack "developed" status that their GDP seems to allow them.
Ok, but couldn't dependencies be mentioned somewhere in the article. I think it's only fair Hihellowhatsup 21:53, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Go ahead! WP:Be bold. But be aware that most dependencies don't need to be mentioned. Add ones that are unique (For example, Saint Helena is a dependency of the UK, and can be safely assumed that it is also a developed area/part of the developed nation).
http://www.worldbank.org/data/countryclass/classgroups.htm
I think the following countries should be included in the list:
These should be included for main reasons:
What we are seeing recently in Wikipedia is that, to include something, it must be cited from a source. Fair enough, but the fact is that, if reasons are proved, then it is also good to include those facts. Remember that Wikipedia isn't only simply a collection of facts from other sources, but rather an encyclopedia which gives its own facts if they are correct. Cantus said, "do not change info that was taken for a credited source". I did not change the info of the CIA World Factbook, because I clearly said that these countries can "also" be considered developed nations due to the above reasons.
It's not fare to leave out the V4 countries out of the list, please consider putting them on the developed list. And Turkey is not considered developed, many of the sectors of Turkey are in full fledged poverty. Thanks for reading.
With Hong Kong SAR, I corrected it to Hong Kong SAR from Hong Kong because is not a "developed nation" in the sense that while it is developed, it is not an independent nation. Therefore, we can either take it off the list, which would be a tad unfair, or we could rename it Hong Kong, China or the most common name "Hong Kong SAR" (Special Administrative Region). Rronline 06:17, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Do we want to add South Africa and/or maybe Egypt, just in the interest in having something from Africa on the list? Pakaran (ark a pan) 15:22, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a Mexican and I'm only giving the inside perspective about my country. Mexico is not a developed country, we feel we still have a long way to go, we went to the OECD mostly to learn from the experts. know we have democracy, but while insecurity and emigration to U.S. keep being a mayor issue no one from here would dare to say the contrary.
Bulgaria does not belong on the list, while these countries/dependencies do Aruba, Bahamas, The, Bahrain, Brunei, Cayman Islands, Qatar, Channel Islands, French Polynesia, Greenland, Guam, Isle of Man, Kuwait, Macao, China, Netherlands Antilles, New Caledonia, Puerto Rico, United Arab Emirates , and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Although some of these areas such as, Kuwait, Bahrain, Brunei, Qatar, and UAE are dependent on one source of income they are quickly diversifying their economies to solve this problem. -- Newtype88 (unsigned)
How can you people consider Turkey developed? Look up more info on what country is developed. I definitely think that new Europe should be on the developed countries list.
There hasn't been any discussion of ongoing issues on this talk page for over a week now, so I've removed protection. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 13:41, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I hope people agree with the changes I made. First off, I think that the Czech republic should be on this list, its development in comparison its neighbors in eastern Europe puts it closer to the sphere of influence of the developed nations of western Europe. Secondly, I checked, and Bermuda isn't even self governing. I removed it from the list considering its government is run by the united kingdom, which is already on the list.
Okay, but if you consider Czech Republic developed what about the country that has the most modern economy in central Europe, 'Poland'? And what about Hungary, or even Slovakia? I think that the V4 should definitely be on the list. Their GDP is growing rapidly fast soon they will join the ranks of other older EU members. The definition of eastern Europe is getting phased out, it no longer complies. There is only one Europe now.
Powertranz, please stop reverting this article. My version is based on facts from the sources cited, not speculations. Read your own post above, it is full of speculations. My version is based on facts and not my view of the world. Thank you. — Cantus… ☎ 00:34, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
Hi. You say "it is obvious all EU members are developed". That is a POV statement. Looking at the data from the UN, World Bank, IMF, OECD, CIA, I can't find anywhere where they consider Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, or Poland developed countries. Yet some of these sources do consider Turkey a developed nation. Please look at the FACTS before reverting to your preferred version. Also, please sign your posts using <nowicki> 68.12.219.7 01:38, 23 September 2005 (UTC)</nowicki> in the future. Thank you. — Cantus… ☎ 06:42, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
Show me one reputable source that says all 25 EU members are developed countries. Until then, please look at the evidence and stop reverting. Thank you. — Cantus… ☎ 10:28, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
Just write the thing so that you both agree on it. There's plenty of ways to decide whether a country is developed or not, so you can't produce a definitive list. If some sources say one thing, and the others the other, just write which sources say what. Zocky 12:32, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
No talk page edits by contributors since May 18, I see. I have protected this for 24 hours to get contributors to stop reverting and instead work out their differences on Talk. Revert wars are just as sterile even if the editors are experienced enough to stay just within the 3RR. Please contact me or any admin if things have been constructively addressed before the 24 hours are up.-- Bishonen | talk 12:48, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
Right, thank you for your message, and I'm very sorry you got no response from posting on WP:AN. If Powertranz is a vandal, he's not a very active one—as you say, he only edits this page—so I won't block him. If he should continue to edit war without replying to messages once the page is unprotected, though, I certainly will block him (and the same with anybody else who does that). I'll try to keep an eye on it, but it would be good if you'd also notify me if that happens. And please try to message Powertranz here, not just on his page, so that others can follow the progress of the discussion (I'm hoping there will be progress!). Bishonen | talk 11:36, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I am sorry I haven't replied in a while. Now concerning the argument that I've been having with Cantus, 'him calling a vandal' is unjustly and impolite. All I want is for this page to be left the way it is right now, it's correct and adequate. My only argument is that I want all of the EU members to be included in the Developed list. That's all. -- Powertranz | talk 14:49 Nov 24 2005 (UTC)
The UN link leads to the map that clearly shows all of EU members as developed. And I'm not sure what good is the OECD link, since its members include most of Eastern Europe and Mexico, but not some Eastern European countries which are just as developed or more developed than, say, Slovakia, e.g. Slovenia and Estonia. Zocky 11:16, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Why won't you just leave the version that Bishonen had it's direct and accurate. -- Powertranz | talk 14:25 Nov 25 2005 (UTC)
I suggest we only list those countries that all of the main sources agree on, and beneath the list we discuss those that the sources do not agree on. This has the added benefit of giving us the option of discussing why the sources do not agree on those countries. Joe D (t) 20:18, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Powertranz, could you please, on this Talk: page, directly quote and link to the sources which consider Czech republic, Hungary, Poland, and Slovenia to be "developed"? I'm sure that will help clear up any problems. Jayjg (talk) 23:28, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
I added Czechia, Hungary and Poland to the bottom for being newly developed nations (middle class if you will). Which infact many sources do cite they are, I don't even have to search it out it's listed all over Wikipedia. -- Powertranz | talk 11:42 27 May 2005 (UTC)
(The following links were added by Powertranz)
That the V4 are middle class so I classified them as so, link is here * United Nations Statistics Division (developed regions). So there. -- Powertranz | talk 14:57, May 29 2005 (UTC)
I will agree with you on that one, personally I've been to both Turkey and the V4 countries recently and I noticed that the living standards are a lot higher int he V4 countries (especially Poland & Czechia). I don't think we should be adding Turkey as developed in my opinion, it's overall economic situation is improving but not yet on par with developed countries. I think we should add the V4 countries as developed and obviously Slovenia. -- Powertranz | talk 13:25, May 30 2005 (UTC)
I've been clearly reading about Turkish situation and it's no better then Poland's, Hungary's, and Czech's. It purchasing parity is lower the Irans, half of Turkey lives in "poverty" do you see that in central Europe? Don't even add Turkey in the same context as developed statistics prove it; IRAN: purchasing power parity - $7,700 (2004 est.) - TURKEY: purchasing power parity - $7,400 (2004 est.). -- Powertranz | talk 1:10, May 30 2005 (UTC)
Cantus if you wouldn't mind give me the exact link demonstrating that Turkey is considered developed. Thanks. -- Powertranz | talk 14:46, 1 June 2005 (UTC)
Should Slovenia be added to the list of developed nations?
Pro: a) The World Bank and the United Nations classify it as a developed nation. See: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/mi/developed_new.htm (under developed and listed as high-income) http://www.worldbank.org/data/countryclass/classgroups.htm#High_income (under developed along with Malta and Cyprus)
b) It's HDI index is just below Portugal's (a difference 0.002 points, 1 being the maximum possible) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_HDI_index#Top_thirty_countries http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2004/pdf/hdr04_HDI.pdf
Note that the page says that the report (published for 2004) has most of the data from 2001 or 2002, and because Slovenia had a bigger economic growth than Portugal since then, it's most likely that economic indicators have pushed the country ahead of Portugal.
c) It's GDP per capita (2005 estimate) PPP is larger than Greece's and Portugal's (21,695 compared to 21,529 and 19,949 respectively). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita
d) It is a member of the EU and NATO, a donor to the World Bank (the first transition country to do that). http://lnweb18.worldbank.org/ECA/eca.nsf/0/8F40611796782AAE85256E5A0054CC6D?OpenDocument
e) It is the most developed post-communist country in Europe (see HDI index and GDP per capita figures).
Con: a) It is a post-communist state.
b) It is not a member of the OECD (Although this is a weird fact, considering it's more developed than some of the OECD's members and is hoping of entering soon). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OECD
My personal judgement is that the pro's outweigh the con's, I would like to add it to the list, but first I want to hear your comments. edolen1 18:08, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
This edit warring is not helping the article any. I'm going to block Powertranz for 24 hours for 3RR violations. Bishonen | talk 21:43, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
Just in case anyone has a problem with it, here are the changes I made to the other cases Central and Eastern Europe point:
changed remain significantly less affluent than western Europe to remain less affluent than the EU-15 member states. Firstly, saying they're significantly less affluent is not fair, because countries like Czechia, Slovenia, Malta and Cyprus are actually very close to the "developed countries" of the EU-15 - Spain, Greece, Portugal, etc. So there's no significant difference in affluence. Others like Hungary, Slovakia, Estonia are somewhat less affluent. The only ones it can be said are significantly less affluent are Poland, Lithuania and Latvia, who are at around 50% of the EU average. So I think it's better we let the text be more general - now it just says they're less affluent, but not by what margin. Secondly, this western Europe thing. Western Europe I tend to see as a fairly controversial definition. It's better that we use the more precise term in this case, and say EU-15, since we're specifically referring to the "old" EU members, which the article states are all developed, in comparison to the 2004 new ones. Ronline 10:08, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Please tell me where did you hear this? Baltic states richer then Poland? Poland still remains a popular destination for investments. It's GDP is low because it's a bigger country thus more money needs to be added from the EU fund. This is from Warsaw Business Journal an estimate for the future.
A favorable EU budget could make Poland Europe's sixth economic power 19th May 2005
A favorable EU budget could make Poland Europe's sixth economic power
If European Union leaders agree to a budget which is favorable for Poland for 2007-2013, then living standards in the country will rise so that it will be only 40% lower than the one in Germany in eight years time.
Over this period, the average person's purchasing parity would increase from 46% to 58% of the EU average. At the same time, the figure for Germany would drop from 106% of the EU average to 103%. This would mean that Poland would follow the economic success of Spain. The draft budget supported by the European Commission would see net transfer of 3.79% of Poland's GNP each year. According to data from the Vienna Institute of Economic Studies, by 2013 Poland's GNP would increase by one-third to EUR 299 billion. This would mean that Poland could become the sixth most important economic power in the EU. Now it all depends on the structure of the new EU budget, which could result in structural funds of between EUR 57-62 billion flowing into Poland during 2007-2013. -- Powertranz | talk 12:50, June 3 2005 (UTC)
The article states, "Organizations such as the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the Central Intelligence Agency, generally agree that the group of developed countries include..."
However, the CIA world factbook defines "Developed countries (DCs)" as "the top group in the hierarchy of developed countries (DCs), former USSR/Eastern Europe (former USSR/EE), and less developed countries (LDCs); includes the market-oriented economies of the mainly democratic nations in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), Bermuda, Israel, South Africa, and the European ministates; also known as the First World, high-income countries, the North, industrial countries; generally have a per capita GDP in excess of $10,000 although four OECD countries and South Africa have figures well under $10,000 and two of the excluded OPEC countries have figures of more than $10,000; the 34 DCs are: Andorra, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bermuda, Canada, Denmark, Faroe Islands, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Holy See, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, Netherlands, NZ, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, UK, US; note - similar to the new International Monetary Fund (IMF) term "advanced economies" that adds Hong Kong, South Korea, Singapore, and Taiwan but drops Malta, Mexico, South Africa, and Turkey".
This suggests that there is no consensus. We should perhaps give seperate lists for the World Bank, IMF, CIA, etc. -- Ji ang 03:05, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I certainly think a list would be helpful since the list itself (or the multiple lists) is not lengthy and can easily fit on the page. the disagreement is over a few items on the list, sufficently explained above by the factbook and not the entire list. -- Ji ang 03:37, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
The Human Development Index ( HDI) is a standard UN measure/ rank of how developed a country is or is not. It is a composite index based on GDP per capita (PPP), literacy, life expectancy, and school enrollment. However, as it is a composite index/rank, some may challenge its usefulness or applicability as information.
Thus, the following question is put to a vote:
Should any, some, or all of the following be included in the Wikipedia Infobox#Countries|country infobox/template:
YES / NO / UNDECIDED/ABSTAIN - vote here
Thanks!
E Pluribus Anthony 01:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I need to look for numbers to back this up but i'm oretty sure Trinidad and Tobago is more dependent on the oil industry than it is on the tourism industry.
Hi. I would like to propose adding Slovenia to the list of non-OECD developed countries, for the following reasons:
So, in both of these indicators, Slovenia is ahead of a developed country - Portugal - and at about the same level as other developed countries such as Greece. Is there any valid reason for not adding it to the main list? The Czech Republic has also overtaken Portugal in GDP per capita, but as of yet it still lags a little bit behind in HDI. But this is another potential country to add to the list. Thanks,
Ronline
✉ 13:38, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Should Taiwan be considered a seperate developed entity than China? In my opinion it should since it is largelly independent. Zachorious 06:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Well the problem is that the reason mentioned isn't that strong. Anyone can claim another country as their land but it doesn't make it so. For example Sudan can claim that the United States as their land or vice versa but it doesn't make it so. Taiwan still operates independently so I am going to research the % of the Taiwanese people that want to remain a seperate country. If most of the population is for independence while already doing things independently, then China really has no right over the "nation". So I will research and find some more information before I decide whether to movee Taiwan to the list. Zachorious 02:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Taiwan is a part of China, history already verified it. If not so, Hainan province would be an independent country. People in Taiwan speak Chinese, write and read Chinese. Are they not Chinese? I don't think so. Chinese is Chinese!!!!! this is a fact!!!! there is only one China in the world! If they want to be treated as an independent country, referendum should be needed in this case and let 1.3 billion people in China, including Taiwan itself, decide. 70.52.73.108 19:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Sure they can, but recognisation of independence by other countries is a deciding factor. In this case, most countries do not recognise Taiwan as an independent country, because of the economic importance of China. I should imagine those countries that recognise Taiwan have no strong/significant links to China, if they exist at all.
Equiratorial Guinea has one of the highest GDPs in the world. It is clearly not a developed country but it isn't mentioned. Similar Barbados has not only a fairly high GDP as mentioned but a high HDI. Indeed a number of the Carribean nations are similar. Again I'm not suggesting they are developed, simply that this is not mentioned. I dont have time to do it myself Nil Einne 16:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
This statement as it stood, while technically correct was confusing. It mentions Bulgarian and Romania as being significantly less affluent and then later goes on to say all EU members have a GDP per capita higher then the gloval average. However Bulgaria and Romania do not. I have modified it accordingly. However I have greater concerns about the way this is phrased. It compares the contries to the EU-15 but fails completely to mention that a number of these countries are in the range with other countries that many regard to be developing. Romania and Bulgaria being the primary examples are below countries many regard as to be developing in GDP per capitata (such as Malaysia and Chile) and indeed Bulgarian in particular has a HDI below 0.8. Perhaps by the time they become EU members things will be different but when need to make it clear that it's not just in comparison with the EU-15 members that they appear to be developing. Nil Einne 17:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
This has been protected for weeks and week, and there doesn't seem to be any ongoing discussion, so I'm unprotecting. -- Tony Sidaway 19:23, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry but I think Turkey belongs to this category. Turkey has an increasing economy, and may be in the EU. But I think this article is written by an " EU person", who hates Turkey. I want to change that mistake... Thanks.
Turkey is considered a developing country and not developed by all credible sources (IMF, World Bank, CIA, OECD). It is easy to see why. Per capita income is aprox $8.000, whereas for developed countries listed is above $20.000. Human development index is 0.75-medium, whereas for developed countries listed is above 0.9-high. We dont hate Turkey, we sometimes visit it as well. And when we do, frankly, we can see for ourselves why it is not listed on developed nations. Mywayyy 00:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps you haven't seen eastern Turkey, I certainly have and I can tell you it is nothing like western Turkey. Turkey has a loooong way to go before it is classified a developed country. That said, it is one of the more developed of the developed of the developing nations. And it is developing.
Before writing your own opinion, it is surely better to take a look at the research of CIA via " https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/appendix/appendix-b.html" under "developed countries". Rutilicus
Would Malaysia be considered a developed country, or developing country? It is a highly developed developing country if it is not a developed country... Yes, that confused me as well :P
Somebody tried to add Malaysia items into the list, meanwhile, to remove South Korea from the list; however, I don't think that Malaysia is considered a developed country because of its HDI(0.796) and GDP per capita($12,106). -- Nicolehayashi 16:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
This actical is BS and totally inaccurate. for example slovenia is clearly more developed in all regard to portugal yet is not of the list. why? ah, because it was communist and "newly industrialized." Here is a clue ALL of eastern europe has been industrialized for years! Have you not heard of the russian industrial revolution, it came much before places like Southern Europe! I would like some one to tell me why slovenia is not on the list? else it should be added.
Cyprus is classfied as an "advanced economy" by the IMF..... Sevenstar22:35 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Taiwan, Hong Kong are developed economies. however, the People's Republic of China, a developing country, claims the sovereignty and land of the first, and exercises sovereignty over the latter two.(vgiom330)
Casey 14 If taiwan really is a nation state then why are other countries cutting off diplomatic relations with Taiwan? they should oppose China, shouldn't they? so Casey 14 whenever you say that Taiwan is independent, think about your how your country cut off it's formal relation with ROC and how Taiwan's constitution still states it's relations with the mainland.
Cyprus, Faroe Islands, Bermuda are generally not considered developed countries because these economies depend overwhelmingly on the tourist industry.(vgiom330)
Cyprus is classfied as an "advanced economy" by the IMF. Faroe Islands and Bermuda are classified as DCs by the CIA...... BbJeffery]
Nevertheless, Cyprus's HDI is still below 0.9. Should Cyprus be included in the list? I noticed that someone added Cyprus into the list again. -- Nicolehayashi 16:37, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello all: I'm not too familiar with this page but judging from the consensus of the sources and editors above, South Korea should be listed as a developed country. An anonymous IP has been deleting South Korea from the list and I think this has been going on for a while to the point of this page being semi-protected a couple of months ago. Any advice would be appreciated to resolve the vandalism. Thanks. Tortfeasor 06:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
WTF???? Someone needs to correct the recent vandalism ( I think it was by 218.186.8.10). What the heck is North Korea, Nepal, Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, ect. there? These are not developed countries. And what happened to the other developed countries? And how come no one did anything for nearly 5 days? I'll try to correct the problem. Zachorious 08:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I think I have restored the list to normal, but you never know. If the list is still missing any that was there then add it. Also this page needs to be watched more because it seems to be vandalized a lot. Zachorious 09:28, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
It seems as if these countries are developed, and should be mentioned in the second section along with Hong Kong, Slovenia, etc. Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay both have high standards of living, high literacy rates, and are industrialized. They should at least receive some mention. Casey14 22:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
-- J intela 11:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe that Slovenia should be listed as a developed country, in that there is no longer any real difference in any indicator between it and other developed countries. For one, the country is classified as high-income by the World Bank, having a GDP per capita higher than that of Portugal. It also had a HDI higher than 0.9, which this article sets as the "development benchmark" for developed countries. Furthermore, it is, since 2007, a member of the Eurozone, and the IMF classifies all Eurozone economies as "advanced economies". Consequently, there is no rational reason as to why Slovenia should be omitted from the list. The cases of the Czech Republic and Slovakia are a bit more complex. The Czech Republic considers itself to be developed (see its official website) which, according to the UN, makes it meet the criteria (since the UN defines "developed countries" as being a category of voluntary association). The country also meets another developed country criteria: it is a net donor to the World Bank. On the other hand, it fails to meet the other criteria, by a small margin:
Personally, I would consider the Czech Republic developed in light of the above statistics, since in 2006 it probably did make the standard. However, it probably needs one or two years in order to more fully meet all of the criteria. The third country you brought up was Slovakia, which I believe is rather different to the above two. First of all, Slovakia's performance in the EU-8 group is rather average: if we were to list Slovakia as developed, then we would also have to list Estonia, Hungary, Lithuania, and probably Poland, Bulgaria and Romania as well. Slovakia fails to meet all of the criteria for developed-country status, by a rather sizeable margin:
So, if we're looking into the prospects of those three countries to be developed nations, I would say: Slovenia is already one, the Czech Republic barely makes it, but we can consider it developed by 2006/07, while Slovakia will become developed by 2009 at the earliest. By 2010, I believe that all of the EU-8 except Poland (and perhaps Latvia) will be considered developed countries (high-income and with a HDI of 0.9+).
Ronline
✉ 13:36, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
just go to cia world fact book mexico is number 14th in GPD
-- J intela 08:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
"Other parts of the world" mentions several countries as potential Developed countreis without giving references. Please note OR here is not that you gave reference for countries' GDP. It is OR because it claims a country is "likely to join the ranks of developed nations" without giving a clear source on that. Wikipedians are not in charge of identifing those countries. Outside researchers should say which country is "likely to join the ranks of developed nations". You should either bring reliable source clearly mention a country as potential developed country or it is OR. Farmanesh 16:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
There is this user that added Brazil to the list of "Other parts of the world". That's ok I guess, but he refuses to add sources. I had to edit his contributions, as they seem to be just boosterism practices with a lot of unencyclopedic statements. I formatted his references (one of them didn't even mention that the "south of Brazil is considered first world and the north third world) and use it properly to indicate that this expert guy thinks Brazil will reach EU standards by 2050. That was far most important and he didn't even see that. Well, that's not the point.
He just keeps reverting and adding his unsourced claims and call my reverts "vandalism". I tried to talk to him, I even was friendly and asked him to add sources, but he just refuses to listen. Can somebody else try to talk to him? He just won't listen to me. The problem is easy to fix: just adding sources. Thanks.
Alex
Covarrubias
( Talk? ) 17:10, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
For all non-sover. states like Hong Kong, Macau, Bermuda were written in italic forms. 74.14.122.64 22:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
theres no source listed, and it looks flawed.