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I am unsure why the second image in this article is Lake Chad: 1) Desertification is defined as: a type of land degradation in drylands in which biological productivity is lost due to natural processes or induced by human activities whereby fertile areas become increasingly arid. Is Lake Chad a dryland?
2) It is unclear from the image or the article that the area that Lake Chad has retreated from is indeed becoming desert. From the large photo it looked pretty green, but it it is indeed turning into desert it would be good to have a reference clarify this.
3) The typical cause for desertification is stated as overgrazing. As nothing is grazing in Lake Chad, so the retreat of Lake Chad is not a typical example of desertification (if an example at all, see point 2). Should the second image of the article not be something that is typical for the process? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:285:8180:1A10:5C21:C3F2:217A:3D3C ( talk) 19:43, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
I don't thinks this long and outdated list of bibliography (= further reading ?) is useful here so I have taken it out:
Hi User:ASRASR, I see you have done some improvements on this article recently. Could you please summarise here what improvements you have made, and what still remains to be done? I wonder if the section on "causes" needs to be beefed up. It seems rather short when I compare it to the causes in the deforestation article and also in comparison to the rest of the article (see above on this talk page a table on section sizes, for comparison). I think we should explain better (also in the lead) whether climate change is a main cause or only "another cause". I assume it's not the main cause of desertification that we are seeing but I am no expert on this, nor have I read the available literature. EMsmile ( talk) 12:20, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from:
https://www.academia.edu/41269769/Desertification_Causes_and_Effects
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344600730_Greening_the_desert_areas_of_northern_Nigeria
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342944088_A_review_of_impact_of_recurrent_bush_burning_on_the_climate_change_paradigm_The_Nigerian_experience. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see
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Hello,
I saw the map for the 1998 desertification threat (the first to appear on the page) and either the year is wrong or the map is wrong as it says "1998" but Germany is still divided into GDR and FRG. Yugoslavia is also still on the map, so it must have been before 1990. My guess would be that the date is wrong and should read 1989 but I have no idea if that is correct.
Best regards David 170.133.4.62 ( talk) 12:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello,
I have made edits to this article to include some discussion of the scientific controversy surrounding the role of overgrazing and other land use practices in causing desertification. Particularly in the Sahel region, which is the poster child for desertification, the modern scientific consensus is that overgrazing and agricultural mismanagement had a relatively minor role in causing the 1980s drought. This is discussed extensively in " The End of Desertification? " by Behnke and Mortimore and the causes of drought/desertification are reviewed in "Rainfall trends in the African Sahel: Characteristics, processes, and causes" by Biasutti (2019).
It is my reading of the modern scholarship that desertification/loss of vegetation is largely driven by climate change and variability, not the other way around. It would be advisable to revise the article to soften language implicating overexploitation as the primary cause of desertification. I may undertake this later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acceptability ( talk • contribs) 00:35, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
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I am unsure why the second image in this article is Lake Chad: 1) Desertification is defined as: a type of land degradation in drylands in which biological productivity is lost due to natural processes or induced by human activities whereby fertile areas become increasingly arid. Is Lake Chad a dryland?
2) It is unclear from the image or the article that the area that Lake Chad has retreated from is indeed becoming desert. From the large photo it looked pretty green, but it it is indeed turning into desert it would be good to have a reference clarify this.
3) The typical cause for desertification is stated as overgrazing. As nothing is grazing in Lake Chad, so the retreat of Lake Chad is not a typical example of desertification (if an example at all, see point 2). Should the second image of the article not be something that is typical for the process? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:285:8180:1A10:5C21:C3F2:217A:3D3C ( talk) 19:43, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
I don't thinks this long and outdated list of bibliography (= further reading ?) is useful here so I have taken it out:
Hi User:ASRASR, I see you have done some improvements on this article recently. Could you please summarise here what improvements you have made, and what still remains to be done? I wonder if the section on "causes" needs to be beefed up. It seems rather short when I compare it to the causes in the deforestation article and also in comparison to the rest of the article (see above on this talk page a table on section sizes, for comparison). I think we should explain better (also in the lead) whether climate change is a main cause or only "another cause". I assume it's not the main cause of desertification that we are seeing but I am no expert on this, nor have I read the available literature. EMsmile ( talk) 12:20, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from:
https://www.academia.edu/41269769/Desertification_Causes_and_Effects
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344600730_Greening_the_desert_areas_of_northern_Nigeria
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342944088_A_review_of_impact_of_recurrent_bush_burning_on_the_climate_change_paradigm_The_Nigerian_experience. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see
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Hello,
I saw the map for the 1998 desertification threat (the first to appear on the page) and either the year is wrong or the map is wrong as it says "1998" but Germany is still divided into GDR and FRG. Yugoslavia is also still on the map, so it must have been before 1990. My guess would be that the date is wrong and should read 1989 but I have no idea if that is correct.
Best regards David 170.133.4.62 ( talk) 12:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello,
I have made edits to this article to include some discussion of the scientific controversy surrounding the role of overgrazing and other land use practices in causing desertification. Particularly in the Sahel region, which is the poster child for desertification, the modern scientific consensus is that overgrazing and agricultural mismanagement had a relatively minor role in causing the 1980s drought. This is discussed extensively in " The End of Desertification? " by Behnke and Mortimore and the causes of drought/desertification are reviewed in "Rainfall trends in the African Sahel: Characteristics, processes, and causes" by Biasutti (2019).
It is my reading of the modern scholarship that desertification/loss of vegetation is largely driven by climate change and variability, not the other way around. It would be advisable to revise the article to soften language implicating overexploitation as the primary cause of desertification. I may undertake this later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acceptability ( talk • contribs) 00:35, 25 May 2022 (UTC)