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This really needs a merge with Reasons and Persons.... Evercat 00:43, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
In general: this (good) article could use guideline-std info such as year of birth, nationality, etc; and a little more NPOV (vs eg "bury").
Re Ethics and Rationality: I just finished a copyedit, but paragraph 6 had two things that confused me: 1] Sentence 1 mentions "directly collectively self defeating", but only "indirectly" has yet been addressed, and nothing on individually/collectively (explicitly, at least). 2] Sentence 3 speaks of "The appeal to full relativity" when all that has been mentioned is "partial relativity".
Thx, and hope this helps, "alyosha" 06:50, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I did the best i could (quickly) with the future section, but a couple things were unclear enough that i'd like someone expert in parfit or attached to the article to check that i got the right sense of things. The article and future section could use more work, esp the last sentence, IMO. Thx and hope this helps, "alyosha" 04:17, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
This is also quoted on the book cover of "Reasons and Persons" and I find it rather lowering. What would be required to call it a "genuine work of genius"? I know this is not the Derek Parfit discussion board but I would'nt know where else to ask. Herbert heart 07:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Parfit's knowledge and study of Kant, as seen in Climbing the Mountain should be noted. -- 70.111.218.254 21:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
This man had the great misfortune of being used as a source for Richard Dawkins, and now his influence has suddenly diminished. Poor guy! -- Merzul 12:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
This article sorely needs some source references. Cosmic Philosopher ( talk) 02:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Cosmic Philosopher
Agreed. Also, note that the change made by 24.45.2.63 was actually me (I forgot to log in). I changed the name of the forthcoming book to On What Matters (this is the title given in the updated manuscript given by Parfit to a reading group I'm participating in). The linked pdf is still called Climbing the Mountain - I don't know if there's a newer copy under the other title floating around on the web somewhere. The announcement of Parfit's Tanner Lectures at Berkeley mentions three book projects, one of which is On What Matters (since these lectures were in 2002 it suggests the book has had that title for several years now).
Also, I'd be happy to start incorporating some of the material from OWM into the article as soon as our reading group ends, but I'm not sure if that's appropriate. The book hasn't been published yet; however, it's also been freely distributed by Parfit himself for commentary. Thoughts? I could just start working on a section about the book and withhold putting it on WP until the book is being published. Anthony Mohen ( talk) 21:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I've just finished Part 3 of Reasons and Persons (on personal identity) and I'm going to revise this section in light of it. It misdescribes Parfit in some key respects as written. Anthony Mohen ( talk) 15:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand this passage:
Is there not more to this? The obvious response would seem to be that under self interest theory, you just subtract the cost from the benefit, and then do whatever puts you more ahead. I can only guess his real argument has to do with discontinuous identity over time... but as far as I can see this passage goes right ahead to assuming that future benefit can't be taken into account without explaining why or even clarifying if that's what is self-defeating. Sestibel ( talk) 09:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
My copy of Reasons and Persons has three reviews of the book tucked in the cover (I bought it second hand). The citations are below:
If anyone is interested in refactoring the article, I can help by quoting material from the reviews (as for Parfit's book? It's on my long list of things to read.) — Tom Morris ( talk) 09:09, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
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The sources cited for this claim are inappropriate. The sources given are William Grimes of the New York Times, and Larissa MacFarquhar of the New Yorker. They are both news reporters, not professional moral philosophers, do not provide citations for their claims, and are not themselves in a position to make authoritative claims about which books are "the most significant works of moral philosophy since the 1800s". Moreover, when professional philosophers were asked to make a list of the 10 most important philosophy books since the 1950s – top 10 since the 1950s, not number 1 since the 1800s – "Reasons and Persons" still didn't get that honor for moral philosophy. It went to "A Theory of Justice" by John Rawls in a landslide. (See http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2009/05/the-most-important-philosophical-books-since-1950.html)
This claim is hyperbolic, and should be toned down. Recommend: "has been described as one of the 10 most important philosophy books since 1950", and replacing the irrelevant newspaper citations with the Leiter survey of professional philosophers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.161.0.114 ( talk) 12:20, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
I did a bit of tidying on the numerous citations to Reasons and Persons, but I did not consolidate ref #1 (published by Oxford University Pres) with the rest at ref # 11 (Clarendon Press) because they appear to be two different editions. Since ref #1 is souced to prefatory material, it seems likely the preface for the Clarendon Press edition may be by a different person? Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene ( talk) 18:23, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
After speaking with those close to Derek the matters surrounding his death are that he passed at some point between 11pm on Jan 1 and 7am Jan 2. Since he was only confirmed to have died on Jan 2 I think this should be the date of death. I could source his death certificate if need be as this states January 2. TBase2 ( talk) 12:09, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
The death certificate is in the public domain yes. All UK DCs are. -- TBase2 ( talk) 08:52, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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This really needs a merge with Reasons and Persons.... Evercat 00:43, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
In general: this (good) article could use guideline-std info such as year of birth, nationality, etc; and a little more NPOV (vs eg "bury").
Re Ethics and Rationality: I just finished a copyedit, but paragraph 6 had two things that confused me: 1] Sentence 1 mentions "directly collectively self defeating", but only "indirectly" has yet been addressed, and nothing on individually/collectively (explicitly, at least). 2] Sentence 3 speaks of "The appeal to full relativity" when all that has been mentioned is "partial relativity".
Thx, and hope this helps, "alyosha" 06:50, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I did the best i could (quickly) with the future section, but a couple things were unclear enough that i'd like someone expert in parfit or attached to the article to check that i got the right sense of things. The article and future section could use more work, esp the last sentence, IMO. Thx and hope this helps, "alyosha" 04:17, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
This is also quoted on the book cover of "Reasons and Persons" and I find it rather lowering. What would be required to call it a "genuine work of genius"? I know this is not the Derek Parfit discussion board but I would'nt know where else to ask. Herbert heart 07:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Parfit's knowledge and study of Kant, as seen in Climbing the Mountain should be noted. -- 70.111.218.254 21:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
This man had the great misfortune of being used as a source for Richard Dawkins, and now his influence has suddenly diminished. Poor guy! -- Merzul 12:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
This article sorely needs some source references. Cosmic Philosopher ( talk) 02:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Cosmic Philosopher
Agreed. Also, note that the change made by 24.45.2.63 was actually me (I forgot to log in). I changed the name of the forthcoming book to On What Matters (this is the title given in the updated manuscript given by Parfit to a reading group I'm participating in). The linked pdf is still called Climbing the Mountain - I don't know if there's a newer copy under the other title floating around on the web somewhere. The announcement of Parfit's Tanner Lectures at Berkeley mentions three book projects, one of which is On What Matters (since these lectures were in 2002 it suggests the book has had that title for several years now).
Also, I'd be happy to start incorporating some of the material from OWM into the article as soon as our reading group ends, but I'm not sure if that's appropriate. The book hasn't been published yet; however, it's also been freely distributed by Parfit himself for commentary. Thoughts? I could just start working on a section about the book and withhold putting it on WP until the book is being published. Anthony Mohen ( talk) 21:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I've just finished Part 3 of Reasons and Persons (on personal identity) and I'm going to revise this section in light of it. It misdescribes Parfit in some key respects as written. Anthony Mohen ( talk) 15:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand this passage:
Is there not more to this? The obvious response would seem to be that under self interest theory, you just subtract the cost from the benefit, and then do whatever puts you more ahead. I can only guess his real argument has to do with discontinuous identity over time... but as far as I can see this passage goes right ahead to assuming that future benefit can't be taken into account without explaining why or even clarifying if that's what is self-defeating. Sestibel ( talk) 09:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
My copy of Reasons and Persons has three reviews of the book tucked in the cover (I bought it second hand). The citations are below:
If anyone is interested in refactoring the article, I can help by quoting material from the reviews (as for Parfit's book? It's on my long list of things to read.) — Tom Morris ( talk) 09:09, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
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The sources cited for this claim are inappropriate. The sources given are William Grimes of the New York Times, and Larissa MacFarquhar of the New Yorker. They are both news reporters, not professional moral philosophers, do not provide citations for their claims, and are not themselves in a position to make authoritative claims about which books are "the most significant works of moral philosophy since the 1800s". Moreover, when professional philosophers were asked to make a list of the 10 most important philosophy books since the 1950s – top 10 since the 1950s, not number 1 since the 1800s – "Reasons and Persons" still didn't get that honor for moral philosophy. It went to "A Theory of Justice" by John Rawls in a landslide. (See http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2009/05/the-most-important-philosophical-books-since-1950.html)
This claim is hyperbolic, and should be toned down. Recommend: "has been described as one of the 10 most important philosophy books since 1950", and replacing the irrelevant newspaper citations with the Leiter survey of professional philosophers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.161.0.114 ( talk) 12:20, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
I did a bit of tidying on the numerous citations to Reasons and Persons, but I did not consolidate ref #1 (published by Oxford University Pres) with the rest at ref # 11 (Clarendon Press) because they appear to be two different editions. Since ref #1 is souced to prefatory material, it seems likely the preface for the Clarendon Press edition may be by a different person? Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene ( talk) 18:23, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
After speaking with those close to Derek the matters surrounding his death are that he passed at some point between 11pm on Jan 1 and 7am Jan 2. Since he was only confirmed to have died on Jan 2 I think this should be the date of death. I could source his death certificate if need be as this states January 2. TBase2 ( talk) 12:09, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
The death certificate is in the public domain yes. All UK DCs are. -- TBase2 ( talk) 08:52, 22 September 2020 (UTC)