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To-do list for Derbyshire:
The list of places of interest is now a template which has been added to places alphabestically less than Chatsworth which have a Wiki page Victuallers 14:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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Mention should be made of Chatsworth house, and its role in films such as Pride and Prejudice. SheffGruff 18:39, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
225,074 ha? What's ha? -- Zoe
In the hope that some natives of Derbyshire watch this page, would any of you know (or be able to check) whether William Jauderell is indeed buried underneath the Taxal Church, or if it is only his son Roger whose grave is marked by a 5' plaque on the sanctuary floor? Sherurcij ( talk) ( Terrorist Wikiproject) 07:03, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
"...some of England's most attractive scenery." Sounds a little biased to me. Jfing ers 88 19:53, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that Warwickshire was shown on the list of bordering counties. I have removed Warwickshire, because there is not actually a border between it and Derbyshire. There is a gap of a few miles. Ted Ted 17:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Not impressed by this page .. I have boldly deleted the list of settlements ... it was as interesting as a tel. directory and goes against Wiki policy (<30% list). The list of places of interest might be of some use if heavily editted to remove stuff like Foremark Resovoir (I pick on this one as its "mine"). Hope I haven't offended but this county deserves a better article. I understand there is a move to create a Derbyshire wikiproject ... we need one Victuallers 12:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The list of "places of interest" is now a template. It can be obtained from a link at the end of the article. Victuallers 14:07, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm trying to make this page a little more presentable and i don't know what to do with the list of football teams. A lot of work has gone into it and it is useful i'm just not sure the main derbyshire page is right for it. I was going to start a new page and just transfer it across, maybe to something like List of football clubs in Derbyshire. However there is no precedent. Anyway i'll check back and if nothing has been proposed soonish i'll remove the list and put it into prose. Dom mc cas 17:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Since someone tagged the trivia section with a 'discouraged' marker, I've now eliminated it. Some of the contents I've integrated into the article with citation tags where appropriate (Overseal's claim to be centre of Britain in particular needs support, as would the similar claims made occasionally by just about every other Derbyshire settlement - although most of them settle for England). I've also removed some of the more trivial details (such as what shows and films were filmed in Derbyshire).
Also (and I've not made this alteration yet as I'm conscious that I'm biased as a result of my total lack of interest in football), do we really need 21 football teams listed? After all, just about every town in the UK has a local team, but only a relative few are really of national, much less global, significance. I don't wish to offend members and supporters of the smaller teams, but I think this does make the football section disproportionately large in comparision to the other sections of the article (and in comparison to other sports), and Derbyshire isn't just about football. Can we at least limit it to the more prominent teams such as Derby and Chesterfield? - Shrivenzale ( talk) 14:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Well done for deleting it and even better for moving best bits into main section. re overseal - it was reported as the population centre only [1]
I agree about the Derbyshire football teams, but at present we do not have anything better... Eventually this section could become List of football teams in Derbyshire maybe ... oh just read comment above. Nevermind the precedent! You can just do it! but nice to discuss with prime author first as its good stuff if you are an amateur derbyshire football fan Victuallers ( talk) 16:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Is it normal to have a link to a template from an article? Wouldn't it be more conventional to include the template itself at the bottom of the page with {{Derbyshire}} and {{England counties}} (especially if the template contents can be minimised by default)? Dave.Dunford ( talk) 14:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
"The Derbyshire school system is comprehensive with no selective schools. There is selection by average house price in some areas." Is there really selection by average house price - are there any newspaper articles about this? (I'm staying in Derbyshire this weekend, I will ask the locals.) Wikimsd ( talk) 08:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Marple Bridge was not transferred to the Metropolitan Borough of Stockport in Greater Manchester. The civil parishes of Mellor and Ludworth were transferred to Marple Urban District in Cheshire in 1936. They subsequently passed to the Metropolitan Borough of Stockport under the 1974 reorganisation of local government. Marple Bridge was part of Ludworth. Skinsmoke ( talk) 03:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
"Derbyshire can make some claims to be at the centre of Britain: a farm near Coton in the Elms has been identified as the furthest from the sea, whilst Rodsley and Overseal were the centres of population during the twentieth century." I can see what it's getting at, but there's two problems with this.
Firstly, it's not clear. There's no obvious connection between the two clauses, and what does "the centres of population" mean, anyway? Following the link to the reference, it's an archived version of a parish website, and no longer exists on the current version. It cites an article in the Daily Mail from 2002 that apparently refers to work by an academic (Daniel Dorling) at the University of Leeds. From what I can work out, he said that Appleby Parva is the median point of the British population. That's not at all clear from the sentence given (and doesn't match the claim above, though I don't have Dorling's original claim to hand).
Secondly, the explanation doesn't really match the claim. There's a substantial difference between the median population point of Britain, or even the furthest point from the sea, and the most obvious meaning of "centre of Britain", which is geographical. Derbyshire's vaguely in the middle of England, but with Scotland in the mix that point shifts a long way north. The precise point will depend on what you include as "Britain" (Northern Ireland? The Channel Islands?).
I think the sentence is misleading, and I'm not sure it's especially useful anyway. I'm tempted just to remove it. Any thoughts? -- Shimmin Beg ( talk) 21:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
As it currently reads, the way which this claim is phrased is still somewhat confusing, and in fact in my view doesn't actually make sense. The claim in question is in the first paragraph of the introduction, and reads: "In 2003 the Ordnance Survey placed Church Flatts farm, approximately 35 kilometres (22 mi) north, at Coton in the Elms, Derbyshire, as the furthest point from the sea in Great Britain." Unless it is made clear what it is 35 km north of, then this sentence is not very helpful. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 21:43, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Derbyshire's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "OS":
Reference named "BBC":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:54, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Have you looked at what data went? I suspect you are just guessing that the 3K of missing data is now in the template. Im not going to have an edit war, but you are deleting stuff, then being told that you are deleting stuff ... you revert that information without looking. Please ...... look. Don't reply to this or do anything please until you have looked at what you are deleting Victuallers ( talk) 15:11, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Two points for others more informed than me to deal with: 1) As at 2014 the Executive at Derbyshire County Council is Labour-controlled. Where in the info box is the line for editing this? (it still states Conservative) 2) Using CartesianArea in MapInfo GIS as the method to measure the area of the ceremonial county boundary of Derbyshire, the OS Map boundary data I have access to (within DerbyshireCC) shows me that the area of the county is not 2,625sq km, but 2,628.74 sq km. I wouldn't want to change this without citing a source, but thought I'd point this out for others to ponder and deal with. Parkywiki ( talk) 22:06, 26 September 2014 (UTC) It may be worth adding that a Cartesian Area measurement of the historic 19th century boundary of Derbyshire (used by HCWatson as vice-county and digitised recently by the National Biodiversity Network gives a figure of 2633.42 sq km. I can upload an image I have created showing the quite significant differences in these two different definitions of 'Derbyshire' if others think this would be of use to have on Wikimedia. Parkywiki ( talk) 22:47, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Having added a few more basic facts about the county to the introductory paragraph, my question is whether people think these would best be placed in an Info box, or be used as the start of a new section on Physical Geography? Parkywiki ( talk) 19:54, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
There is currently a proposal mooted to rename the Derby article, and for there no longer to be a primary topic of this name (as far as I can tell). The proposal is:
To view this proposal or to express opinions based on naming policy see the article's Discussion page. This discussion may be closed after 15th July. Parkywiki ( talk) 10:38, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
Can someone please explain what a KML file is and why it is deemed necessary to remove the coordinates in order to install it? The coordinates link was easy to use and was prominently placed within the infobox, whereas the KML link is right at the bottom of the page and doesn't seem to work anyway - I certainly couldn't get it to display anything that made any sense. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 21:14, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
"The file content is either corrupted or does not contain supported data types.
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1. <Placemark/> Derbyshire County Council: too large, the maximum size is limited to 10K."
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To-do list for Derbyshire:
The list of places of interest is now a template which has been added to places alphabestically less than Chatsworth which have a Wiki page Victuallers 14:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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Mention should be made of Chatsworth house, and its role in films such as Pride and Prejudice. SheffGruff 18:39, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
225,074 ha? What's ha? -- Zoe
In the hope that some natives of Derbyshire watch this page, would any of you know (or be able to check) whether William Jauderell is indeed buried underneath the Taxal Church, or if it is only his son Roger whose grave is marked by a 5' plaque on the sanctuary floor? Sherurcij ( talk) ( Terrorist Wikiproject) 07:03, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
"...some of England's most attractive scenery." Sounds a little biased to me. Jfing ers 88 19:53, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that Warwickshire was shown on the list of bordering counties. I have removed Warwickshire, because there is not actually a border between it and Derbyshire. There is a gap of a few miles. Ted Ted 17:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Not impressed by this page .. I have boldly deleted the list of settlements ... it was as interesting as a tel. directory and goes against Wiki policy (<30% list). The list of places of interest might be of some use if heavily editted to remove stuff like Foremark Resovoir (I pick on this one as its "mine"). Hope I haven't offended but this county deserves a better article. I understand there is a move to create a Derbyshire wikiproject ... we need one Victuallers 12:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The list of "places of interest" is now a template. It can be obtained from a link at the end of the article. Victuallers 14:07, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm trying to make this page a little more presentable and i don't know what to do with the list of football teams. A lot of work has gone into it and it is useful i'm just not sure the main derbyshire page is right for it. I was going to start a new page and just transfer it across, maybe to something like List of football clubs in Derbyshire. However there is no precedent. Anyway i'll check back and if nothing has been proposed soonish i'll remove the list and put it into prose. Dom mc cas 17:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Since someone tagged the trivia section with a 'discouraged' marker, I've now eliminated it. Some of the contents I've integrated into the article with citation tags where appropriate (Overseal's claim to be centre of Britain in particular needs support, as would the similar claims made occasionally by just about every other Derbyshire settlement - although most of them settle for England). I've also removed some of the more trivial details (such as what shows and films were filmed in Derbyshire).
Also (and I've not made this alteration yet as I'm conscious that I'm biased as a result of my total lack of interest in football), do we really need 21 football teams listed? After all, just about every town in the UK has a local team, but only a relative few are really of national, much less global, significance. I don't wish to offend members and supporters of the smaller teams, but I think this does make the football section disproportionately large in comparision to the other sections of the article (and in comparison to other sports), and Derbyshire isn't just about football. Can we at least limit it to the more prominent teams such as Derby and Chesterfield? - Shrivenzale ( talk) 14:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Well done for deleting it and even better for moving best bits into main section. re overseal - it was reported as the population centre only [1]
I agree about the Derbyshire football teams, but at present we do not have anything better... Eventually this section could become List of football teams in Derbyshire maybe ... oh just read comment above. Nevermind the precedent! You can just do it! but nice to discuss with prime author first as its good stuff if you are an amateur derbyshire football fan Victuallers ( talk) 16:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Is it normal to have a link to a template from an article? Wouldn't it be more conventional to include the template itself at the bottom of the page with {{Derbyshire}} and {{England counties}} (especially if the template contents can be minimised by default)? Dave.Dunford ( talk) 14:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
"The Derbyshire school system is comprehensive with no selective schools. There is selection by average house price in some areas." Is there really selection by average house price - are there any newspaper articles about this? (I'm staying in Derbyshire this weekend, I will ask the locals.) Wikimsd ( talk) 08:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Marple Bridge was not transferred to the Metropolitan Borough of Stockport in Greater Manchester. The civil parishes of Mellor and Ludworth were transferred to Marple Urban District in Cheshire in 1936. They subsequently passed to the Metropolitan Borough of Stockport under the 1974 reorganisation of local government. Marple Bridge was part of Ludworth. Skinsmoke ( talk) 03:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
"Derbyshire can make some claims to be at the centre of Britain: a farm near Coton in the Elms has been identified as the furthest from the sea, whilst Rodsley and Overseal were the centres of population during the twentieth century." I can see what it's getting at, but there's two problems with this.
Firstly, it's not clear. There's no obvious connection between the two clauses, and what does "the centres of population" mean, anyway? Following the link to the reference, it's an archived version of a parish website, and no longer exists on the current version. It cites an article in the Daily Mail from 2002 that apparently refers to work by an academic (Daniel Dorling) at the University of Leeds. From what I can work out, he said that Appleby Parva is the median point of the British population. That's not at all clear from the sentence given (and doesn't match the claim above, though I don't have Dorling's original claim to hand).
Secondly, the explanation doesn't really match the claim. There's a substantial difference between the median population point of Britain, or even the furthest point from the sea, and the most obvious meaning of "centre of Britain", which is geographical. Derbyshire's vaguely in the middle of England, but with Scotland in the mix that point shifts a long way north. The precise point will depend on what you include as "Britain" (Northern Ireland? The Channel Islands?).
I think the sentence is misleading, and I'm not sure it's especially useful anyway. I'm tempted just to remove it. Any thoughts? -- Shimmin Beg ( talk) 21:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
As it currently reads, the way which this claim is phrased is still somewhat confusing, and in fact in my view doesn't actually make sense. The claim in question is in the first paragraph of the introduction, and reads: "In 2003 the Ordnance Survey placed Church Flatts farm, approximately 35 kilometres (22 mi) north, at Coton in the Elms, Derbyshire, as the furthest point from the sea in Great Britain." Unless it is made clear what it is 35 km north of, then this sentence is not very helpful. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 21:43, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Derbyshire's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "OS":
Reference named "BBC":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:54, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Have you looked at what data went? I suspect you are just guessing that the 3K of missing data is now in the template. Im not going to have an edit war, but you are deleting stuff, then being told that you are deleting stuff ... you revert that information without looking. Please ...... look. Don't reply to this or do anything please until you have looked at what you are deleting Victuallers ( talk) 15:11, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Two points for others more informed than me to deal with: 1) As at 2014 the Executive at Derbyshire County Council is Labour-controlled. Where in the info box is the line for editing this? (it still states Conservative) 2) Using CartesianArea in MapInfo GIS as the method to measure the area of the ceremonial county boundary of Derbyshire, the OS Map boundary data I have access to (within DerbyshireCC) shows me that the area of the county is not 2,625sq km, but 2,628.74 sq km. I wouldn't want to change this without citing a source, but thought I'd point this out for others to ponder and deal with. Parkywiki ( talk) 22:06, 26 September 2014 (UTC) It may be worth adding that a Cartesian Area measurement of the historic 19th century boundary of Derbyshire (used by HCWatson as vice-county and digitised recently by the National Biodiversity Network gives a figure of 2633.42 sq km. I can upload an image I have created showing the quite significant differences in these two different definitions of 'Derbyshire' if others think this would be of use to have on Wikimedia. Parkywiki ( talk) 22:47, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Having added a few more basic facts about the county to the introductory paragraph, my question is whether people think these would best be placed in an Info box, or be used as the start of a new section on Physical Geography? Parkywiki ( talk) 19:54, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
There is currently a proposal mooted to rename the Derby article, and for there no longer to be a primary topic of this name (as far as I can tell). The proposal is:
To view this proposal or to express opinions based on naming policy see the article's Discussion page. This discussion may be closed after 15th July. Parkywiki ( talk) 10:38, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
Can someone please explain what a KML file is and why it is deemed necessary to remove the coordinates in order to install it? The coordinates link was easy to use and was prominently placed within the infobox, whereas the KML link is right at the bottom of the page and doesn't seem to work anyway - I certainly couldn't get it to display anything that made any sense. PaleCloudedWhite ( talk) 21:14, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
"The file content is either corrupted or does not contain supported data types.
Details: unable to parse due to
1. <Placemark/> Derbyshire County Council: too large, the maximum size is limited to 10K."
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The 17th-century plague should be included in the history section. Kdammers ( talk) 05:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)