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Derby Station is clearly NOT a Victorian structure - are you telling me all those concrete columns are 19th century! It was also my understanding that the station had been relocated a significant distance North from its original location nearer London Road. following WWII. I am of course happy to be proved wrong - (but I was born & bred there just after WWII) Linuxlad 22:32, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Found a web-reference which largely confirms my childhood understanding. Station dates from 1839 - Carriage and Wagon and Loco works wee bombed by Zeppelins in 1916. In WWII Station was bombed on 15th Jan 1941 - half a dozen bombs exploded, destroying large part of roof and bridge. 'Original tri-junct station was swept away in rebuilding of 1952' ( http://webp1.mimas.ac.uk/~zzaascs/mrsoc/zepp.html)
Footnote - walked right down the south (London Road) end of platform one yesterday, nearly opposite where the Birnmngham and London lines merge.There is a short piece of apparently older platform there and also the dreaded 'milepost 0'. The 1952 structure in many places is covered by the more recent refurb - is this 'concrete- cancer'??? Linuxlad 20:35, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation here on location - it wasn't up when I 'pulled the big switch' last night - but I had in fact found the tri-junct station layout last thing (same Polish ref as yours I think), realised how it correlates with what still remains on platform 1, and was thinking to change the words (now done). Looks like I was relying too much on 'well-known fact' from my Derby school-days.
The mile post point is a little moot - when I first moved down to Berkeley/Bristol, my boss, (a Brummy and a railway buff) specifically commented on the mile post origin - the point IS that it is anomalous without the MR association and it doesn't matter if it wasn't until the 1900s.
The main point however is (or was when I first started the article off) that Derby station IS 'recent' in all its observable core structure - it was even more clearly so in the 50/60s when I was a kid - and that the reason for this, the bomb damage, is part of Derby-folk history. As kids we always found it significant that Derby had received so little bomb-damage, when it was home to Rolls-Royce, and the only major damage had been to give the place a nice new station (from the platform side anyway). RWH aka Linuxlad 08:09, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
PS. of course if we're going to be picky, it isn't at all clear that the Derby complex was deliberately targetted (because of strategic importance) in WWI and possibly not in WWII either.
Well haven't we just moved from direct causation to common correlate (why is the 0 where it is? Because it's the junction. Why is the junction there? Because the line was going to Derby station.)
Anyway, the fact is arguably less memorable than the near-correct fiction - perhaps we should start a 'history & folklore' section :-)
I would question whether it's fair to call the 1952 design 'stark' - at the time it seemed very 'New Elizabethan' I recall, and I was always rather proud as a child that Derby had a new modern structure, rather than an overblown Victorian high-vaulted monstrosity, like St Pancras or Paddington :-) Linuxlad 08:16, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Re Edit summary of 20th Dec 05, It seems unlikely that the connection is with the North Midland Railway, since its official name at first was the "Great Central Station" (which it was at first!) and its popular name the "Tripartite station" or the Tri Junct Station. Nothing to do of course with the Great Central Railway which was built much later. When its became known as the Midland is lost in the mists of time, but I feel it reasonable to assume that it came about when the Great Northern station was built in Friargate. This is how they were known to Baedeker in 1890. Chevin 13:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Tri Junct Station was just the old name for Derby Midland Station and therefore all the information in it (and there's plenty) should be merged into this article. I've added the relevant merge templates to the articles. - Green Tentacle 14:18, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Tri Junct Station was just the old name for Derby Midland Station
No it wasn't. It couldn't be if the Midland didn't exist.
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15:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
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This section is way off topic to be included in an article about a specific station. This information wither needs to be moved back into it's own article, or distributed amongst the articles for the various railway companies. DrFrench ( talk) 11:42, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
I propose the renaming of the article to Derby railway station for the following reasons:
Discuss. C. 22468 ( talk) 12:12, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
I think I will have a go turning the diagram of routes served into a {{
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That image of the departures board is extremely outdated, having been taken 12 years ago. I'm not the best photographer in the world, but I do travel through this station fairly regularly. I'll try and get a decent picture when I head through Derby next, unless someone else wants to try. AnselaJonla ( talk) 13:53, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
What is the " other station" in the sentences:
Following Vignoles's reassessment in 1835 a new route was proposed, either north or south of the Derby Canal to a terminus near St. Mary's Bridge with a branch to Full Street near to John Lombe's Silk Mill. Both options would cross the North Midland lines north of the other station.
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Derby Station is clearly NOT a Victorian structure - are you telling me all those concrete columns are 19th century! It was also my understanding that the station had been relocated a significant distance North from its original location nearer London Road. following WWII. I am of course happy to be proved wrong - (but I was born & bred there just after WWII) Linuxlad 22:32, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Found a web-reference which largely confirms my childhood understanding. Station dates from 1839 - Carriage and Wagon and Loco works wee bombed by Zeppelins in 1916. In WWII Station was bombed on 15th Jan 1941 - half a dozen bombs exploded, destroying large part of roof and bridge. 'Original tri-junct station was swept away in rebuilding of 1952' ( http://webp1.mimas.ac.uk/~zzaascs/mrsoc/zepp.html)
Footnote - walked right down the south (London Road) end of platform one yesterday, nearly opposite where the Birnmngham and London lines merge.There is a short piece of apparently older platform there and also the dreaded 'milepost 0'. The 1952 structure in many places is covered by the more recent refurb - is this 'concrete- cancer'??? Linuxlad 20:35, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation here on location - it wasn't up when I 'pulled the big switch' last night - but I had in fact found the tri-junct station layout last thing (same Polish ref as yours I think), realised how it correlates with what still remains on platform 1, and was thinking to change the words (now done). Looks like I was relying too much on 'well-known fact' from my Derby school-days.
The mile post point is a little moot - when I first moved down to Berkeley/Bristol, my boss, (a Brummy and a railway buff) specifically commented on the mile post origin - the point IS that it is anomalous without the MR association and it doesn't matter if it wasn't until the 1900s.
The main point however is (or was when I first started the article off) that Derby station IS 'recent' in all its observable core structure - it was even more clearly so in the 50/60s when I was a kid - and that the reason for this, the bomb damage, is part of Derby-folk history. As kids we always found it significant that Derby had received so little bomb-damage, when it was home to Rolls-Royce, and the only major damage had been to give the place a nice new station (from the platform side anyway). RWH aka Linuxlad 08:09, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
PS. of course if we're going to be picky, it isn't at all clear that the Derby complex was deliberately targetted (because of strategic importance) in WWI and possibly not in WWII either.
Well haven't we just moved from direct causation to common correlate (why is the 0 where it is? Because it's the junction. Why is the junction there? Because the line was going to Derby station.)
Anyway, the fact is arguably less memorable than the near-correct fiction - perhaps we should start a 'history & folklore' section :-)
I would question whether it's fair to call the 1952 design 'stark' - at the time it seemed very 'New Elizabethan' I recall, and I was always rather proud as a child that Derby had a new modern structure, rather than an overblown Victorian high-vaulted monstrosity, like St Pancras or Paddington :-) Linuxlad 08:16, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Re Edit summary of 20th Dec 05, It seems unlikely that the connection is with the North Midland Railway, since its official name at first was the "Great Central Station" (which it was at first!) and its popular name the "Tripartite station" or the Tri Junct Station. Nothing to do of course with the Great Central Railway which was built much later. When its became known as the Midland is lost in the mists of time, but I feel it reasonable to assume that it came about when the Great Northern station was built in Friargate. This is how they were known to Baedeker in 1890. Chevin 13:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Tri Junct Station was just the old name for Derby Midland Station and therefore all the information in it (and there's plenty) should be merged into this article. I've added the relevant merge templates to the articles. - Green Tentacle 14:18, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Tri Junct Station was just the old name for Derby Midland Station
No it wasn't. It couldn't be if the Midland didn't exist.
Chevin
15:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Copy of email sent to "You and Yesterday" http://www.youandyesterday.co.uk/articles/Derby_Midland_Station I notice that your article on Derby Midland Station is almost a direct crib of an article written by myself or others. In accordance with the terms under which it is made available, please will you accredit it to Wikipedia 81.156.82.46 ( talk) 15:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
This section is way off topic to be included in an article about a specific station. This information wither needs to be moved back into it's own article, or distributed amongst the articles for the various railway companies. DrFrench ( talk) 11:42, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
I propose the renaming of the article to Derby railway station for the following reasons:
Discuss. C. 22468 ( talk) 12:12, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
I think I will have a go turning the diagram of routes served into a {{
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That image of the departures board is extremely outdated, having been taken 12 years ago. I'm not the best photographer in the world, but I do travel through this station fairly regularly. I'll try and get a decent picture when I head through Derby next, unless someone else wants to try. AnselaJonla ( talk) 13:53, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
What is the " other station" in the sentences:
Following Vignoles's reassessment in 1835 a new route was proposed, either north or south of the Derby Canal to a terminus near St. Mary's Bridge with a branch to Full Street near to John Lombe's Silk Mill. Both options would cross the North Midland lines north of the other station.
I don't have the source so I cannot check it. Spinney Hill ( talk) 07:59, 26 April 2023 (UTC) Spinney Hill ( talk) 08:00, 26 April 2023 (UTC)