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The result of the move request was: MOVED per request. Consensus has arisen that the common name of the opera in the English language is actually the full-on German name. The consistency that the move will create with other similar articles was cited as a factor in the move, as well. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 22:51, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
The Flying Dutchman (opera) → Der fliegende Holländer – The English name of The Flying Dutchman is not overwhelming common enough to justify its use over the original German name, Der fliegende Holländer. Firstly, we must consider our Wikipedia practices; all 14 of our other Wikipedia articles on operas by Wagner use the, original, German names; this is the only one that does not. The most authoritative encyclopedia of music uses the German name ( Grove), as do the two most important opera houses in English-Speaking countries ( MET & ROH); other notable sites do as well ( IMSLP, Operabase, Naxos and VIAF). While not fully reliable (but noteworthy, nonetheless), a Google search shows the English name recieves fewer results than the German name; suggesting not only the German name's dominance, but the lack of justification to use the English name. Flying Dutchman (disambiguation) has all English names, yes, but these all go back to the ship, not the opera... this is an opera, not a ship! Aza24 ( talk) 23:11, 10 April 2021 (UTC)—Relisting. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:14, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, that is qualified by continuing to read
as you would find it in reliable sources (for example other encyclopedias and reference works, scholarly journals, and major news sources). — Ched ( talk) 23:50, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: MOVED per request. Consensus has arisen that the common name of the opera in the English language is actually the full-on German name. The consistency that the move will create with other similar articles was cited as a factor in the move, as well. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 22:51, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
The Flying Dutchman (opera) → Der fliegende Holländer – The English name of The Flying Dutchman is not overwhelming common enough to justify its use over the original German name, Der fliegende Holländer. Firstly, we must consider our Wikipedia practices; all 14 of our other Wikipedia articles on operas by Wagner use the, original, German names; this is the only one that does not. The most authoritative encyclopedia of music uses the German name ( Grove), as do the two most important opera houses in English-Speaking countries ( MET & ROH); other notable sites do as well ( IMSLP, Operabase, Naxos and VIAF). While not fully reliable (but noteworthy, nonetheless), a Google search shows the English name recieves fewer results than the German name; suggesting not only the German name's dominance, but the lack of justification to use the English name. Flying Dutchman (disambiguation) has all English names, yes, but these all go back to the ship, not the opera... this is an opera, not a ship! Aza24 ( talk) 23:11, 10 April 2021 (UTC)—Relisting. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:14, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, that is qualified by continuing to read
as you would find it in reliable sources (for example other encyclopedias and reference works, scholarly journals, and major news sources). — Ched ( talk) 23:50, 15 April 2021 (UTC)