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I am deleting the Globalize tag. The word "transportation" is unique to American English, which implies that only American governments have an agency called the Department of Transportation. -- Coolcaesar 19:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Is MassHighway really the best Massachusetts equivalent? I think the Massachusetts Executive Office of Transportation may be the best equivalent to a Department of Transportation, though it doesn't use the name "Department". -- 71.124.173.134 21:43, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I expanded the article some and have more but wanted to add something at this time with references of which there were none. Otr500 ( talk) 05:27, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I assume this article serves no actual purpose. I see now that there is a USDOT page and also see an editor deleted information I contributed. It may belong in a USDOT article but the article I read, this article, is about Department of Transportation. This means that for some reason, that seems to be justified as a disambiguation explanation page, a redundant page exists. Since an editor decided, on his or her on, without using this talk page, to automatically delete information, I will request a merge or deletion. It will be interesting to see how the reasoning to keep this page works out. Otr500 ( talk) 12:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I am also glad you have "years" of experience so you can explain some things, with your infinite editing knowledge to someone that might be perceived as ignorant. Wait! Before you jump off the proverbial bridge, considering you "checked me out" (and I have yet to return the favor), you might have noticed on my user page I always WP:AGF. With this in mind I just assume that you are just being "very" informational by adding, "clearly a very" to inexperienced, in case I didn't know or forgot. I would like to point out that this "might" be a little unnecessary as it could be taken the wrong way. Even if I started editing yesterday this does not mean I should be ignored when I "might" have a point. I also realize I have a lot to learn and appreciate admonishment and direction.
Ignorance is a lack of knowledge and experience is a lack of knowledge so considering this I probably fit the category. Along with my lack of editing knowledge I am also endowed with some common knowledge and common sense. This does not mean it is always 100% accurate, thus the need for accurate information availability. Your statement above, "(i.e. that it is used primarily in North America, and that other places use terms like Department for Transport or Ministry of Transport), might show some confusion. The Canadian government (North America) does not use "Department of Transportation" (that I can find) and has a Minister of Transport (Canada) (Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities) that oversees Transport Canada. There is one province, Department of Transportation (New Brunswick) that actually uses the name.
By including in the lead, "All U.S. states, Canadian provinces, and many local agencies also have similar organizations...", there is confusion. The fact that all but one province in Canada uses a terms that might be common in other countries, we (Wikipedia) have something that may not appear accurate and certainly confusing to the common reader, at least to this "clearly very" inexperienced editor. The sentence, "The term Department of Transportation is used ONLY in North America", may be true but adding "similar organizations means what? North America is not usually applied to all of the United States and one province in Canada. The term, "similar organizations" also includes organizations in other countries that function in the same capacity as the name used in the United States and maybe "one" (please show if there are more) province in Canada. This means, especially with the inclusion of the above, "similar organizations", that this would be considered an article with a definition "used in multiple countries" and of worldwide usage. Would not the German Ministry of Transportation (or others) be considered "similar organizations" to the Department of Transportation? It would also mean that the deleted "Globalize tag" that was removed was correct as it stands. There is my inexperience showing again so maybe you or some other clearly very experienced editor can explain this to me.
I am not trying to be argumentative or sway "years" of debate, wars, and mega tons of information but maybe the acronym, "KISS", might be appropriate. Either the article is about organizations that are predominately in the United States and one province in Canada or it is about organizations that serve the same functions as the name, "Department of Transportation", which "does" make the article about more than North America. I realize I have "inexperience" but surely my reasoning can not escape the Wikipedia guideline followers and all those that have contributed to the confusion.
If I am not clear on the perceived problem then, even though I am a new editor, I hope that I can use some form of verbiage to explain what I see as a problem. Maybe the statement; "None of your proposals or edits make any sense", can be explained better. Also, the sentence, "All U.S. states, Canadian provinces, and many local agencies", seems to my inexperience to be confusing. By placing "Canadian provinces" in between the other two it brings up the question of "which" many local agencies, and the potential of an appropriate tag.
Conclusion: I hope I have expounded on what I have seen as confusion enough so that all those that are less "clearly very inexperienced" can see what "might" be a problem. The above stated, "UNLESS there is an actual risk of confusion", is an exception of which I see in the article. That would be why I mentioned either the lead or the title in my "proposals or edits". How this is rectified is up to those that may like "wars" but again, to me, including "similar organizations" does in fact include highway departments in other countries. If Wikipedia is attempting to be less confusing then how does this article that has possibly erroneous information, or (I still submit) an inappropriate (with the information now included) title, but at the very least a lack of information, make things less confusing? I may be "clearly very inexperienced" but this does not mean I am unlearned. In fact, would it not be a little more in line with civility, when something "might" be misunderstood, to simply ask for clarification of what does not seem to make sense? Thank you, Otr500 ( talk) 21:22, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
two list articles on the same topic but geo split with no reason (the name is not relevant as it's the topic) Widefox; talk 07:11, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
An RfC is underway at Talk:Ministry of Transport#RfC: Transport governance article titles which affects this article. Please feel free to comment. Triptothecottage ( talk) 01:37, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) NNADIGOODLUCK ( Talk| Contribs) 09:44, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Department of transportation → Department of Transportation – This disambiguation-like list article is bizarrely titled as Department of transportation but Department of Transportation is a proper noun and Department of transportation should be retained as a redirect with the rcat R from other capitalization. Doug Mehus T· C 03:31, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Cutting the NAC debate off at the head, hopefully... ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vaticidal prophet 05:09, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Department of Transportation →
Department of transportation – Article is about the generic institution
Primergrey (
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This move to a plural form (sans RM) violates MOS:PLURAL. That the article is about many departments of transportation does not mean the title ought to be plural. Our Bird article, for instance, begins "Birds are..." and, indeed, is about all kinds of birds. Yet the title remains singular. Primergrey ( talk) 00:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
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I am deleting the Globalize tag. The word "transportation" is unique to American English, which implies that only American governments have an agency called the Department of Transportation. -- Coolcaesar 19:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Is MassHighway really the best Massachusetts equivalent? I think the Massachusetts Executive Office of Transportation may be the best equivalent to a Department of Transportation, though it doesn't use the name "Department". -- 71.124.173.134 21:43, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I expanded the article some and have more but wanted to add something at this time with references of which there were none. Otr500 ( talk) 05:27, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I assume this article serves no actual purpose. I see now that there is a USDOT page and also see an editor deleted information I contributed. It may belong in a USDOT article but the article I read, this article, is about Department of Transportation. This means that for some reason, that seems to be justified as a disambiguation explanation page, a redundant page exists. Since an editor decided, on his or her on, without using this talk page, to automatically delete information, I will request a merge or deletion. It will be interesting to see how the reasoning to keep this page works out. Otr500 ( talk) 12:07, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I am also glad you have "years" of experience so you can explain some things, with your infinite editing knowledge to someone that might be perceived as ignorant. Wait! Before you jump off the proverbial bridge, considering you "checked me out" (and I have yet to return the favor), you might have noticed on my user page I always WP:AGF. With this in mind I just assume that you are just being "very" informational by adding, "clearly a very" to inexperienced, in case I didn't know or forgot. I would like to point out that this "might" be a little unnecessary as it could be taken the wrong way. Even if I started editing yesterday this does not mean I should be ignored when I "might" have a point. I also realize I have a lot to learn and appreciate admonishment and direction.
Ignorance is a lack of knowledge and experience is a lack of knowledge so considering this I probably fit the category. Along with my lack of editing knowledge I am also endowed with some common knowledge and common sense. This does not mean it is always 100% accurate, thus the need for accurate information availability. Your statement above, "(i.e. that it is used primarily in North America, and that other places use terms like Department for Transport or Ministry of Transport), might show some confusion. The Canadian government (North America) does not use "Department of Transportation" (that I can find) and has a Minister of Transport (Canada) (Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities) that oversees Transport Canada. There is one province, Department of Transportation (New Brunswick) that actually uses the name.
By including in the lead, "All U.S. states, Canadian provinces, and many local agencies also have similar organizations...", there is confusion. The fact that all but one province in Canada uses a terms that might be common in other countries, we (Wikipedia) have something that may not appear accurate and certainly confusing to the common reader, at least to this "clearly very" inexperienced editor. The sentence, "The term Department of Transportation is used ONLY in North America", may be true but adding "similar organizations means what? North America is not usually applied to all of the United States and one province in Canada. The term, "similar organizations" also includes organizations in other countries that function in the same capacity as the name used in the United States and maybe "one" (please show if there are more) province in Canada. This means, especially with the inclusion of the above, "similar organizations", that this would be considered an article with a definition "used in multiple countries" and of worldwide usage. Would not the German Ministry of Transportation (or others) be considered "similar organizations" to the Department of Transportation? It would also mean that the deleted "Globalize tag" that was removed was correct as it stands. There is my inexperience showing again so maybe you or some other clearly very experienced editor can explain this to me.
I am not trying to be argumentative or sway "years" of debate, wars, and mega tons of information but maybe the acronym, "KISS", might be appropriate. Either the article is about organizations that are predominately in the United States and one province in Canada or it is about organizations that serve the same functions as the name, "Department of Transportation", which "does" make the article about more than North America. I realize I have "inexperience" but surely my reasoning can not escape the Wikipedia guideline followers and all those that have contributed to the confusion.
If I am not clear on the perceived problem then, even though I am a new editor, I hope that I can use some form of verbiage to explain what I see as a problem. Maybe the statement; "None of your proposals or edits make any sense", can be explained better. Also, the sentence, "All U.S. states, Canadian provinces, and many local agencies", seems to my inexperience to be confusing. By placing "Canadian provinces" in between the other two it brings up the question of "which" many local agencies, and the potential of an appropriate tag.
Conclusion: I hope I have expounded on what I have seen as confusion enough so that all those that are less "clearly very inexperienced" can see what "might" be a problem. The above stated, "UNLESS there is an actual risk of confusion", is an exception of which I see in the article. That would be why I mentioned either the lead or the title in my "proposals or edits". How this is rectified is up to those that may like "wars" but again, to me, including "similar organizations" does in fact include highway departments in other countries. If Wikipedia is attempting to be less confusing then how does this article that has possibly erroneous information, or (I still submit) an inappropriate (with the information now included) title, but at the very least a lack of information, make things less confusing? I may be "clearly very inexperienced" but this does not mean I am unlearned. In fact, would it not be a little more in line with civility, when something "might" be misunderstood, to simply ask for clarification of what does not seem to make sense? Thank you, Otr500 ( talk) 21:22, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
two list articles on the same topic but geo split with no reason (the name is not relevant as it's the topic) Widefox; talk 07:11, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
An RfC is underway at Talk:Ministry of Transport#RfC: Transport governance article titles which affects this article. Please feel free to comment. Triptothecottage ( talk) 01:37, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) NNADIGOODLUCK ( Talk| Contribs) 09:44, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Department of transportation → Department of Transportation – This disambiguation-like list article is bizarrely titled as Department of transportation but Department of Transportation is a proper noun and Department of transportation should be retained as a redirect with the rcat R from other capitalization. Doug Mehus T· C 03:31, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Cutting the NAC debate off at the head, hopefully... ( closed by non-admin page mover) Vaticidal prophet 05:09, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Department of Transportation →
Department of transportation – Article is about the generic institution
Primergrey (
talk) 04:41, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
This move to a plural form (sans RM) violates MOS:PLURAL. That the article is about many departments of transportation does not mean the title ought to be plural. Our Bird article, for instance, begins "Birds are..." and, indeed, is about all kinds of birds. Yet the title remains singular. Primergrey ( talk) 00:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC)