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I also updated the climate section to include some collapsible tables, because those other tables we had were ugly (but informative). I put the code into a transcluded file ( Denver, Colorado/Climate Statistics) because I thought it would make editing the normal page easier. The problem now is that apparently <ref> tags do not work from transcluded pages, but I will try and come up with a workaround for that soon. -- MattWright ( talk) 08:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
PROBLEM WITH CLIMATE BOX
Deleted reference to over 250 days of sunny weather in Denver. Statistic was based on Denver receiving sunshine on 69 percent of possible daylight hours. Apparently, over 250 days of sunshine was derived from .69 * 365.24 = 252 sunny days. But 69 percent of available sunshine, as defined by NOAA, does not mean that 69 percent of the days in the year are, on average, sunny. There are days which receive 40 percent of available sunshine (which contributes 40 percent to the annual average statistics), but this day would not be considered sunny. The NOAA statistic should be repeated and state that Denver receives 69 percent of annual average sunshine. You could also use this link to give a breakdown by month and use it in the temperature and precipitation table. See this reference http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/online/ccd/pctpos.txt You could also say Denver has 115 clear days, 120 cloudy days, while the rest are partly cloudy (130 days). So instead of there being over 250 sunny days, there are 245 days that are clear or partly cloudy in an average year. http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/CLIMATEDATA.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.69.133 ( talk) 05:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
The figure of 54F/12C as the average daily high for the year is wrong; the true temperature is much warmer. Looking at the average daily highs for each month proves that the real figure must be in the low seventies F/low twenties C. I can't work out the figure to the nearest degree, as I would need the precise (not to the nearest degree as shown) average highs for each month to do that accurately. The figure in question, at the top right of the chart, needs to be corrected to its true figure by someone who knows the precise details. Werdnawerdna ( talk) 05:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
The Denver metropolitan area has two census statistical areas defined by the United States Census Bureau:
The Denver-Aurora-Boulder Combined Statistical Area is considered to be the primary census statistical area. -- Buaidh 17:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone think it would be relevant to add a second population density that didn't include the airport land? It's a whole lot of undeveloped land that lies well outside the habitated part of the city. If you subtract it from the equation, the poputlation density is signifcantly higher. As a resident, I would say it gives a more accurate depiction of day to day Denver.coulderbolorado 21:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gtj82 ( talk • contribs)
I mean it's great and all, and I *love* the Denver skyline ... but I think we've got way too many pictures of the skyline. Maybe 2-3 is good, or specific areas (like 17th Street, LoDo, etc...). Denver is more than the CBD. How about some pictures of Cap Hill, Uptown, more of City Park? Maybe I'm just over-analyzing it, comments? Trodaikid1983 08:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
get a pic of the "mousetrap" if there isnt one already. ~`~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Binglebongle2000 ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Agree with idea to move:
Disagree with idea to move:
there is more than 1 denver in the us. keep it as is. Binglebongle2000 ( talk) 23:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Seems like we might want to talk about the panoramas. user:Buaidh has added two (the airport and night skyline). Excellent images though they are, these are full width images that IMO overwhelm the article. I don't know how they print (don't have a printer handy). Neither Image use policy: Displayed image size or Manual of Style: Images mention panoramas. My preference would be to leave these as the smaller images they used to be (making them wide thumbnails). Pending some definitive statement someplace that I'm not aware of prohibiting them, I think we're free to do whatever we agree to. Any other opinions? -- Rick Block ( talk) 00:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I am a resident of Denver, and I have yet to hear anybody refer to it as the "Wall Street of the West". The first time I've heard it was here. I suppose it makes sense considering that many banks were once based in Denver, but now that name seems erroneous and irrelevant to Denver because no major banks are still based here, to my knowledge. What do you think? -- Char645 08:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
While I give credit to Denver for a bit of civic boosterism, merely claiming that you have the "10th largest downtown" does not make it so.
First, I have done quite a bit of research online and through my contacts in the real estate industry about this claim. While I have seen the claim repeated on various websites, I have found absolutely no BASIS for this claim--it simply seems the city said it has the 10th largest downtown and other websites (such as Wikipedia) merely repeat the claim. Second, what criteria (if any) are being used to make this determination? If it is supposedly based on the 23 million of square feet of office space in downtown Denver (according to the 2007 Annual Information Report of Brookfield Properties and also according to the U.S. Conference of Mayors), then this does NOT establish Denver as the 10th largest downtown--more than 10 cities have more office space in each of their respective downtowns. Also, the claim doesn't appear to be based on downtown population. So, what is the basis of the claim? Land area? As in Denver literally as the 10th largest downtown by land area?
I simply don't think it is good precedent for Wikipedia to post unsubstantiated claims--at least not without noting that such claims are unsubstantiated or otherwise questionable. Simply posting that the city claims it has the 10th largest downtown gives the air of authority to the claim. It would be better to state that the city claims to have the 10th largest downtown but the basis for the claim is unclear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.120.40.2 ( talk) 02:12, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
isnt denver the least obese city in america? and jackson missisippi is the most? —Preceding
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70.23.228.12 (
talk) 16:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT ( talk) 16:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Nissanaltima reverted my edit, and I asked him/her why he/she reverted it. He/she didn't answer and deleted my question from his/her talk page. My edit was providing exact elevation information, because in reality, it's not quite a mile in elevation (5,280 feet). It's 5,278 feet (2 feet below a mile). -- IRP ( talk) 20:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
There is currently a proposal on the table to amend the Wikipedia naming conventions for US cities to follow the AP Stylebook's suggested names. This would effectively move a number of US city articles currently on the list, so Denver, Colorado would be moved to Denver. To comment on this discussion, please go here. Dr. Cash ( talk) 16:49, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
The average high over the entire year is clearly wrong. I would change it if I knew how. -- 162.18.172.11 ( talk) 18:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
In this series of edits the demographic data was changed to reflect an article in the Rocky Mountain News, which in turn claims to be sourced to US Census Bureau data. This numbers are in the same ballpark as this QuickFacts US Census Bureau data (from 2006). The old numbers are more consistent with this American Community Survey Census Bureau data (also from 2006). The major difference in the "white" number (50% vs. 68%) seems to be whether it includes Hispanics. The Census Bureau apparently does not treat Hispanic as a race. Anyone know if there's a consistent Wikipedia policy about this? -- Rick Block ( talk) 18:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand the numbers that you are using. The source you cite claims 50% white, not hispanic, or 82% white. You then change it to read 68%? Also, this source claims 10.6% black, but you changed it to 9.1%. If you don't match the facts with the source, why are you changing it? If you cannot provide a reasonable explanation for these changes, I am going to change back to the 50, 10, numbers that are represented both in the RockyMountain News source and the Denver Quick Facts. Thanks. -- gtj82 —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:28, 5 December 2008 (UTC).
Rick, I changed the numbers to at least match the source that you cited. If you change the numbers back to 68% White, 9.91% Black, at least try to find a source that backs up that information. Please note that I edited to say White, Non-Hispanic to clarify.-- gtj82 ( gtj82) 11:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I added an article and pictures for the Downtown Denver page. It used to just redirect to LoDo. I also changed the CBD link in the opening of the Denver page so it redirects to the downtown Denver page instead of the page that explains what a central business district is. I cited a number of sources, but the article could probably use more info and facts as opposed to generalizations. -- gtj82 ( gtj82) 5:30, 7 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.149.159.35 ( talk)
This is an
archive of past discussions for the period 2008. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
I also updated the climate section to include some collapsible tables, because those other tables we had were ugly (but informative). I put the code into a transcluded file ( Denver, Colorado/Climate Statistics) because I thought it would make editing the normal page easier. The problem now is that apparently <ref> tags do not work from transcluded pages, but I will try and come up with a workaround for that soon. -- MattWright ( talk) 08:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
PROBLEM WITH CLIMATE BOX
Deleted reference to over 250 days of sunny weather in Denver. Statistic was based on Denver receiving sunshine on 69 percent of possible daylight hours. Apparently, over 250 days of sunshine was derived from .69 * 365.24 = 252 sunny days. But 69 percent of available sunshine, as defined by NOAA, does not mean that 69 percent of the days in the year are, on average, sunny. There are days which receive 40 percent of available sunshine (which contributes 40 percent to the annual average statistics), but this day would not be considered sunny. The NOAA statistic should be repeated and state that Denver receives 69 percent of annual average sunshine. You could also use this link to give a breakdown by month and use it in the temperature and precipitation table. See this reference http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/online/ccd/pctpos.txt You could also say Denver has 115 clear days, 120 cloudy days, while the rest are partly cloudy (130 days). So instead of there being over 250 sunny days, there are 245 days that are clear or partly cloudy in an average year. http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/CLIMATEDATA.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.69.133 ( talk) 05:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
The figure of 54F/12C as the average daily high for the year is wrong; the true temperature is much warmer. Looking at the average daily highs for each month proves that the real figure must be in the low seventies F/low twenties C. I can't work out the figure to the nearest degree, as I would need the precise (not to the nearest degree as shown) average highs for each month to do that accurately. The figure in question, at the top right of the chart, needs to be corrected to its true figure by someone who knows the precise details. Werdnawerdna ( talk) 05:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
The Denver metropolitan area has two census statistical areas defined by the United States Census Bureau:
The Denver-Aurora-Boulder Combined Statistical Area is considered to be the primary census statistical area. -- Buaidh 17:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone think it would be relevant to add a second population density that didn't include the airport land? It's a whole lot of undeveloped land that lies well outside the habitated part of the city. If you subtract it from the equation, the poputlation density is signifcantly higher. As a resident, I would say it gives a more accurate depiction of day to day Denver.coulderbolorado 21:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gtj82 ( talk • contribs)
I mean it's great and all, and I *love* the Denver skyline ... but I think we've got way too many pictures of the skyline. Maybe 2-3 is good, or specific areas (like 17th Street, LoDo, etc...). Denver is more than the CBD. How about some pictures of Cap Hill, Uptown, more of City Park? Maybe I'm just over-analyzing it, comments? Trodaikid1983 08:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
get a pic of the "mousetrap" if there isnt one already. ~`~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Binglebongle2000 ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Agree with idea to move:
Disagree with idea to move:
there is more than 1 denver in the us. keep it as is. Binglebongle2000 ( talk) 23:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Seems like we might want to talk about the panoramas. user:Buaidh has added two (the airport and night skyline). Excellent images though they are, these are full width images that IMO overwhelm the article. I don't know how they print (don't have a printer handy). Neither Image use policy: Displayed image size or Manual of Style: Images mention panoramas. My preference would be to leave these as the smaller images they used to be (making them wide thumbnails). Pending some definitive statement someplace that I'm not aware of prohibiting them, I think we're free to do whatever we agree to. Any other opinions? -- Rick Block ( talk) 00:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I am a resident of Denver, and I have yet to hear anybody refer to it as the "Wall Street of the West". The first time I've heard it was here. I suppose it makes sense considering that many banks were once based in Denver, but now that name seems erroneous and irrelevant to Denver because no major banks are still based here, to my knowledge. What do you think? -- Char645 08:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
While I give credit to Denver for a bit of civic boosterism, merely claiming that you have the "10th largest downtown" does not make it so.
First, I have done quite a bit of research online and through my contacts in the real estate industry about this claim. While I have seen the claim repeated on various websites, I have found absolutely no BASIS for this claim--it simply seems the city said it has the 10th largest downtown and other websites (such as Wikipedia) merely repeat the claim. Second, what criteria (if any) are being used to make this determination? If it is supposedly based on the 23 million of square feet of office space in downtown Denver (according to the 2007 Annual Information Report of Brookfield Properties and also according to the U.S. Conference of Mayors), then this does NOT establish Denver as the 10th largest downtown--more than 10 cities have more office space in each of their respective downtowns. Also, the claim doesn't appear to be based on downtown population. So, what is the basis of the claim? Land area? As in Denver literally as the 10th largest downtown by land area?
I simply don't think it is good precedent for Wikipedia to post unsubstantiated claims--at least not without noting that such claims are unsubstantiated or otherwise questionable. Simply posting that the city claims it has the 10th largest downtown gives the air of authority to the claim. It would be better to state that the city claims to have the 10th largest downtown but the basis for the claim is unclear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.120.40.2 ( talk) 02:12, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
isnt denver the least obese city in america? and jackson missisippi is the most? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
70.23.228.12 (
talk) 16:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT ( talk) 16:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Nissanaltima reverted my edit, and I asked him/her why he/she reverted it. He/she didn't answer and deleted my question from his/her talk page. My edit was providing exact elevation information, because in reality, it's not quite a mile in elevation (5,280 feet). It's 5,278 feet (2 feet below a mile). -- IRP ( talk) 20:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
There is currently a proposal on the table to amend the Wikipedia naming conventions for US cities to follow the AP Stylebook's suggested names. This would effectively move a number of US city articles currently on the list, so Denver, Colorado would be moved to Denver. To comment on this discussion, please go here. Dr. Cash ( talk) 16:49, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
The average high over the entire year is clearly wrong. I would change it if I knew how. -- 162.18.172.11 ( talk) 18:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
In this series of edits the demographic data was changed to reflect an article in the Rocky Mountain News, which in turn claims to be sourced to US Census Bureau data. This numbers are in the same ballpark as this QuickFacts US Census Bureau data (from 2006). The old numbers are more consistent with this American Community Survey Census Bureau data (also from 2006). The major difference in the "white" number (50% vs. 68%) seems to be whether it includes Hispanics. The Census Bureau apparently does not treat Hispanic as a race. Anyone know if there's a consistent Wikipedia policy about this? -- Rick Block ( talk) 18:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand the numbers that you are using. The source you cite claims 50% white, not hispanic, or 82% white. You then change it to read 68%? Also, this source claims 10.6% black, but you changed it to 9.1%. If you don't match the facts with the source, why are you changing it? If you cannot provide a reasonable explanation for these changes, I am going to change back to the 50, 10, numbers that are represented both in the RockyMountain News source and the Denver Quick Facts. Thanks. -- gtj82 —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:28, 5 December 2008 (UTC).
Rick, I changed the numbers to at least match the source that you cited. If you change the numbers back to 68% White, 9.91% Black, at least try to find a source that backs up that information. Please note that I edited to say White, Non-Hispanic to clarify.-- gtj82 ( gtj82) 11:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I added an article and pictures for the Downtown Denver page. It used to just redirect to LoDo. I also changed the CBD link in the opening of the Denver page so it redirects to the downtown Denver page instead of the page that explains what a central business district is. I cited a number of sources, but the article could probably use more info and facts as opposed to generalizations. -- gtj82 ( gtj82) 5:30, 7 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.149.159.35 ( talk)