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Vmavanti has removed all discographical information for Budimir's albums that cannot be sourced to All Music Guide. This includes Budimir's first studio album, The Creeper, which was released on Mainstream in the mid-1960s. I pointed out that this album exists and noted its Discogs entry (which includes a photograph of the front cover of the album). Vmavanti has reverted, stating that there is no reliable source substantiating the album's existence. This appears to be systematic; Vmavanti is doing this on hundreds of artist pages (i.e., adding a footnote to Allmusic and removing any albums Allmusic does not list) and is working from some kind of alphabetical list (besides Budimir, see also Cal Collins, Robert Conti, Christy Doran, James Emery, Bruce Forman; on each of these pages, Vmavanti has removed at least one studio album from the discography, ostensibly because it does not appear in AMG's list). Pinging the usual suspects for discussion as to whether this is a good idea: @ EddieHugh:, @ 78.26:, @ DISEman:. Eddie, I'm particularly interested in your opinion here, as you seem to be more or less the sole decider and enforcer of consensus for anything jazz-related in Wikipedia. This is the direct result of the conversation we had at Talk:Joshua Breakstone; you've agreed that we should have no unsourced discographical information and that albums cannot serve as sources for their own catalog information - a third-party reliable source must be found (I'll remind you that Vmavanti is rigorously enforcing this statement). This is resulting in the removal of a large amount of uncontroversial discographical information. Are you comfortable with this sea change in how discographies are sourced - especially given that we have just had a discussion elsewhere suggesting that AMG perhaps isn't the only place we should be looking for definitive discographical information? Chubbles ( talk) 21:26, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Alright, well, it seems like a lot has happened in the last day or two. I think, as time permits over the next few days, I'll probably pick through the restorations and re-add helpful contributions. This whole series of conversations was motivated by baby/bathwater issues, and I don't want to see good infoboxes and such thrown out, either. Chubbles ( talk) 14:40, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
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Vmavanti has removed all discographical information for Budimir's albums that cannot be sourced to All Music Guide. This includes Budimir's first studio album, The Creeper, which was released on Mainstream in the mid-1960s. I pointed out that this album exists and noted its Discogs entry (which includes a photograph of the front cover of the album). Vmavanti has reverted, stating that there is no reliable source substantiating the album's existence. This appears to be systematic; Vmavanti is doing this on hundreds of artist pages (i.e., adding a footnote to Allmusic and removing any albums Allmusic does not list) and is working from some kind of alphabetical list (besides Budimir, see also Cal Collins, Robert Conti, Christy Doran, James Emery, Bruce Forman; on each of these pages, Vmavanti has removed at least one studio album from the discography, ostensibly because it does not appear in AMG's list). Pinging the usual suspects for discussion as to whether this is a good idea: @ EddieHugh:, @ 78.26:, @ DISEman:. Eddie, I'm particularly interested in your opinion here, as you seem to be more or less the sole decider and enforcer of consensus for anything jazz-related in Wikipedia. This is the direct result of the conversation we had at Talk:Joshua Breakstone; you've agreed that we should have no unsourced discographical information and that albums cannot serve as sources for their own catalog information - a third-party reliable source must be found (I'll remind you that Vmavanti is rigorously enforcing this statement). This is resulting in the removal of a large amount of uncontroversial discographical information. Are you comfortable with this sea change in how discographies are sourced - especially given that we have just had a discussion elsewhere suggesting that AMG perhaps isn't the only place we should be looking for definitive discographical information? Chubbles ( talk) 21:26, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Alright, well, it seems like a lot has happened in the last day or two. I think, as time permits over the next few days, I'll probably pick through the restorations and re-add helpful contributions. This whole series of conversations was motivated by baby/bathwater issues, and I don't want to see good infoboxes and such thrown out, either. Chubbles ( talk) 14:40, 17 March 2019 (UTC)