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dose anyone know when Lucas will TRY to murder his wife Denise.-- Sheep 2009 ( talk) 19:23, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
That user never said it was a forum nor did they imply that it was! Brianwazere 23:45, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
OH MY! DENISE is ALIVE AND IN THE BASEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I REALLY DON'T LIKE LUCAS. AT LEAST HE DIDNT KILL HER I GUESS, AT LEAST HE IS FEEDING HER. I REALLY OPE SOMEONE FINDS HHER SOON!!!!!!!!! I AM GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SPOILER PAGES TO FIND OUT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.137.53.153 ( talk) 19:49, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
OK, people recently keep trying to change the infobox "years" field to read "2006-10". Now I don't know about anyone else but I have not read anywhere that Diane Parish is planning to leave EastEnders. So therefore I think that the field should carry on reading "2006-" unless a source becomes available that states otherwise. I know we changed Lauren Branning's infobox but that was different, there were reliable sources that stated Madeline had left. The page is starting to resemble an edit war now. The box should read "2006-" unless we have a reliable source stating that she leaves. Thoughts? -- 5 albert square ( talk) 23:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Ya alright man no need to be like that, no need to bring my name up he/she can read for themselves Brianwazere 19:36, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
The article could probably stand to make some mention of the storyline, given that there's so little OOU information atm. Eg, "In May 2010, media and entertainment website Digital Spy reported that Denise would die, blah blah. Gilet responded that, "Blah." Soap magazine What's on TV indicated that Lucas would be seen to drive Denise into a canal, [1] arranging the incident to look like a suicide. [2]"
Then when/if it transpires to be a looky-likey, we can just throw in an "In the event, it transpired that blah..." Only has to be a sentence or two, and will at least kickstart some "Development" - and in the meantime might dissuade IP editors from adding that Lucas is about to Avada Kedavra her. Frickative 21:36, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Isn't it pretty obvious to know whether she is murdered? Think about it and it'll come to you. But if not then really you should be kicking yourselves. Is she filming in EastEnders currently? IF she is then by golly she's still in it, because they're filming episodes for August for Christ's sakes, however, if she isn't then, that could simply mean she's just not in a few episodes, like for example, the Masoods haven't been seen for a small while, yet they're still "in" the soap.-- The Ultimate Koopa ( talk) 21:15, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
By the way I had a few more thoughts on this subject. If Diane Parish was leaving but they didn't want us to know, they wouldn't be putting spoilers on the BBC Press Office site. Also, Patrick may believe Denise has died because, as Denise's next of kin, Lucas positively identifies her body (knowing that it is actually not her). That is of course speculation, but another possibility. Anemone Projectors 14:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Shall we just wait for the actual episode and then make a decision on whether her death is real or not? If it is deliberately 'mysterious' then we could not change it until there is hard evidence - but if it is very obvious she died e.g: we see her being stabbed or whatever, then we can list her as dead? Alex250P ( talk) 12:19, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
So let me just get this straight. "While Walford tries to come to terms with Denise's death" ... Lucas identifies Denise's body. Patrick mourns Denise's death, etc... there's so many sources that state that "Denise dies". But is this going to be another "Den Watts" type 'death', where she appears like 15 years later as an old age pensioner? —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Ultimate Koopa ( talk • contribs)
Sharon Marshall on This Morning has just hinted very strongly that it is not Denise's body that is pulled from the canal - she said a body is pulled from the canal and it is identified as Denise, but then she said there are lots of "clues and twists". She has seen the episodes. Anemone Projectors 11:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi there (namely AnemoneProjectors & 5 albert square),
I don't want to be rude but I'm getting increasingly frustrated with power-mad actions when updating Wikipedia pages. It's quite clear Denise has been killed in an episode similar to that of Danielle.
Please unprotect the page and update the page to reflect her death and stop abusing your rights as Wikipedians. If you want further evidence she actually died, then read this:-
http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/blog/article/429804/soaps-preview-1216-july.html
This article clearly says her dead body has been identified so please add this to the article as further evidence she has been killed (or might have been killed) rather than prohibit others from editing an open page because you have read a dated article on Digital Spy and don't believe she has been.
If you are really that adamant she hasn't died, at least source this information for people visiting the page as I expected more discussion on it and it's been prohibited by (respectfully) over-eager editors.
Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stueydessler ( talk • contribs) 06:48, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
"Was the body dragged from the canal really Denise? Lucas is off to identify it – but can we trust him?" - Probably too minor to be worth including anywhere, but just thought I'd add it in here as the first RS print source I've seen commenting on the fact that Lucas' word is hardly gospel. Frickative 02:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
So why does Rosa di Marco's page say she's dead? oh and Frank Butcher... oh wait, and Reg Cox too. Oh yes and Mark Fowler, Cindy Beale, Kathy Mitchell... these characters aren't dead. I mean, yes someone said they were dead on the show but Lucas has said Denise is dead? So why is it one rule for one and another for everyone else?
As far as the show suggests up to this present time, the character is dead. Up until 2003, Den Watts was on here as dead. Nobody said "but wait, Julia Smith removed her name from the credits after the final shot was removed, so regardless of what websites say about him being dead, leave him as alive until the BBC confirm otherwise". You tuned into EastEnders last night; the characters (who recite a script, written by the BBC) say Denise is dead. This is for me, confirmation that Denise is dead. Until the episode shows Denise walking/speaking, then I clasify her as dead as this is what the show is asking us to believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eefan ( talk • contribs) 18:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Told you she was alive. Anemone Projectors 19:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
References
This interview was released immediately after the episode, and it says "That aside, with Denise alive - and having been imprisoned next to her house for four weeks - where does this leave Lucas?" Does this mean she was next door? I noticed that the house next door was boarded up at the start of the episode. Anemone Projectors 19:49, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
As Denise was always known as Fox, should the article name be called Denise Fox per WP:COMMONNAME? -- GSorby Chat with Me! 18:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Lol I just got edit conflicted by the page moving, but FWIW:
According to the Radio Times, Denise is now being credited under her maiden name "Fox" so this should be changed back in the article. She has also divorced Lucas so the marriage dates need to be changed to say the following: (2009-2011). I also think Jordan should be taken off the list of Denise's family as he was only related to her by marriage and I believe that the family charts can be kept simple by just adding blood relatives as Lucas and Denise are now divorced so she is not related to Jordan anymore. Tomjovanovic, 11:32, 12 March 2011
I reverted the removal of nowrap to the infobox and have edited the template to remove nowrap from the "spin-off appearances" line, so that the text won't be pushed to the right so much. If it hasn't updated yet, try saving the page without making changes. – Anemone Projectors– 17:44, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
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Hey,
We've discovered Denise isn't Emerald Fox's biological daughter, but the subject of an adoption hasn't yet been brough up, so really we have no clue yet about how Denise was put with Emerald or if it was just talk to get the characters of Denise and Kim to talk and if they're related another way e.g. Zoe and Kat.
I have discussed this with a couple of other users, but I'm moving the conversation here for others to add their opinion. At the moment, I think Emerald and her half-sisters, as well as Pearl, should remain and likewise for the other pages. For one, for the 7 years prior to that scene, Denise and Kim have been shown as sisters and it's changed in a matter of lines.
It's a bit like when a character marries. We don't change the page name, we put also instead of née/né because we maintain a certain name is what they've been known by the longest and that we can go back to watch old episodes to see them by a different name e.g. we can easily go and watch or read something from 2007 when Denise was Denise Wicks and then watch yesterday's episode, where she's Denise Fox. It's the same with the revealation regarding Denise and Kim's relationship-we can just go back and watch episodes where they were half-sisters.
As yet, we're not sure what will happen, but I do think at present they should stay on each other's pages. As with Libby, Chelsea and Pearl, they've known Kim and Denise onscreen as their respective aunts and each other as cousins. I know it's not preferred by some not going beyond parents and siblings for adopted relatives, but sometimes, they have more, or an equal role in a characters storylines. It should depend on closeness and the Foxes aren't a really big family unit on the show, compared to the Beales or Brannings.
Thanks, Grangehilllover ( talk) 11:06, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
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dose anyone know when Lucas will TRY to murder his wife Denise.-- Sheep 2009 ( talk) 19:23, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
That user never said it was a forum nor did they imply that it was! Brianwazere 23:45, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
OH MY! DENISE is ALIVE AND IN THE BASEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I REALLY DON'T LIKE LUCAS. AT LEAST HE DIDNT KILL HER I GUESS, AT LEAST HE IS FEEDING HER. I REALLY OPE SOMEONE FINDS HHER SOON!!!!!!!!! I AM GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SPOILER PAGES TO FIND OUT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.137.53.153 ( talk) 19:49, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
OK, people recently keep trying to change the infobox "years" field to read "2006-10". Now I don't know about anyone else but I have not read anywhere that Diane Parish is planning to leave EastEnders. So therefore I think that the field should carry on reading "2006-" unless a source becomes available that states otherwise. I know we changed Lauren Branning's infobox but that was different, there were reliable sources that stated Madeline had left. The page is starting to resemble an edit war now. The box should read "2006-" unless we have a reliable source stating that she leaves. Thoughts? -- 5 albert square ( talk) 23:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Ya alright man no need to be like that, no need to bring my name up he/she can read for themselves Brianwazere 19:36, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
The article could probably stand to make some mention of the storyline, given that there's so little OOU information atm. Eg, "In May 2010, media and entertainment website Digital Spy reported that Denise would die, blah blah. Gilet responded that, "Blah." Soap magazine What's on TV indicated that Lucas would be seen to drive Denise into a canal, [1] arranging the incident to look like a suicide. [2]"
Then when/if it transpires to be a looky-likey, we can just throw in an "In the event, it transpired that blah..." Only has to be a sentence or two, and will at least kickstart some "Development" - and in the meantime might dissuade IP editors from adding that Lucas is about to Avada Kedavra her. Frickative 21:36, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Isn't it pretty obvious to know whether she is murdered? Think about it and it'll come to you. But if not then really you should be kicking yourselves. Is she filming in EastEnders currently? IF she is then by golly she's still in it, because they're filming episodes for August for Christ's sakes, however, if she isn't then, that could simply mean she's just not in a few episodes, like for example, the Masoods haven't been seen for a small while, yet they're still "in" the soap.-- The Ultimate Koopa ( talk) 21:15, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
By the way I had a few more thoughts on this subject. If Diane Parish was leaving but they didn't want us to know, they wouldn't be putting spoilers on the BBC Press Office site. Also, Patrick may believe Denise has died because, as Denise's next of kin, Lucas positively identifies her body (knowing that it is actually not her). That is of course speculation, but another possibility. Anemone Projectors 14:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Shall we just wait for the actual episode and then make a decision on whether her death is real or not? If it is deliberately 'mysterious' then we could not change it until there is hard evidence - but if it is very obvious she died e.g: we see her being stabbed or whatever, then we can list her as dead? Alex250P ( talk) 12:19, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
So let me just get this straight. "While Walford tries to come to terms with Denise's death" ... Lucas identifies Denise's body. Patrick mourns Denise's death, etc... there's so many sources that state that "Denise dies". But is this going to be another "Den Watts" type 'death', where she appears like 15 years later as an old age pensioner? —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Ultimate Koopa ( talk • contribs)
Sharon Marshall on This Morning has just hinted very strongly that it is not Denise's body that is pulled from the canal - she said a body is pulled from the canal and it is identified as Denise, but then she said there are lots of "clues and twists". She has seen the episodes. Anemone Projectors 11:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi there (namely AnemoneProjectors & 5 albert square),
I don't want to be rude but I'm getting increasingly frustrated with power-mad actions when updating Wikipedia pages. It's quite clear Denise has been killed in an episode similar to that of Danielle.
Please unprotect the page and update the page to reflect her death and stop abusing your rights as Wikipedians. If you want further evidence she actually died, then read this:-
http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/blog/article/429804/soaps-preview-1216-july.html
This article clearly says her dead body has been identified so please add this to the article as further evidence she has been killed (or might have been killed) rather than prohibit others from editing an open page because you have read a dated article on Digital Spy and don't believe she has been.
If you are really that adamant she hasn't died, at least source this information for people visiting the page as I expected more discussion on it and it's been prohibited by (respectfully) over-eager editors.
Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stueydessler ( talk • contribs) 06:48, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
"Was the body dragged from the canal really Denise? Lucas is off to identify it – but can we trust him?" - Probably too minor to be worth including anywhere, but just thought I'd add it in here as the first RS print source I've seen commenting on the fact that Lucas' word is hardly gospel. Frickative 02:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
So why does Rosa di Marco's page say she's dead? oh and Frank Butcher... oh wait, and Reg Cox too. Oh yes and Mark Fowler, Cindy Beale, Kathy Mitchell... these characters aren't dead. I mean, yes someone said they were dead on the show but Lucas has said Denise is dead? So why is it one rule for one and another for everyone else?
As far as the show suggests up to this present time, the character is dead. Up until 2003, Den Watts was on here as dead. Nobody said "but wait, Julia Smith removed her name from the credits after the final shot was removed, so regardless of what websites say about him being dead, leave him as alive until the BBC confirm otherwise". You tuned into EastEnders last night; the characters (who recite a script, written by the BBC) say Denise is dead. This is for me, confirmation that Denise is dead. Until the episode shows Denise walking/speaking, then I clasify her as dead as this is what the show is asking us to believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eefan ( talk • contribs) 18:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Told you she was alive. Anemone Projectors 19:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
References
This interview was released immediately after the episode, and it says "That aside, with Denise alive - and having been imprisoned next to her house for four weeks - where does this leave Lucas?" Does this mean she was next door? I noticed that the house next door was boarded up at the start of the episode. Anemone Projectors 19:49, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
As Denise was always known as Fox, should the article name be called Denise Fox per WP:COMMONNAME? -- GSorby Chat with Me! 18:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Lol I just got edit conflicted by the page moving, but FWIW:
According to the Radio Times, Denise is now being credited under her maiden name "Fox" so this should be changed back in the article. She has also divorced Lucas so the marriage dates need to be changed to say the following: (2009-2011). I also think Jordan should be taken off the list of Denise's family as he was only related to her by marriage and I believe that the family charts can be kept simple by just adding blood relatives as Lucas and Denise are now divorced so she is not related to Jordan anymore. Tomjovanovic, 11:32, 12 March 2011
I reverted the removal of nowrap to the infobox and have edited the template to remove nowrap from the "spin-off appearances" line, so that the text won't be pushed to the right so much. If it hasn't updated yet, try saving the page without making changes. – Anemone Projectors– 17:44, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
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Hey,
We've discovered Denise isn't Emerald Fox's biological daughter, but the subject of an adoption hasn't yet been brough up, so really we have no clue yet about how Denise was put with Emerald or if it was just talk to get the characters of Denise and Kim to talk and if they're related another way e.g. Zoe and Kat.
I have discussed this with a couple of other users, but I'm moving the conversation here for others to add their opinion. At the moment, I think Emerald and her half-sisters, as well as Pearl, should remain and likewise for the other pages. For one, for the 7 years prior to that scene, Denise and Kim have been shown as sisters and it's changed in a matter of lines.
It's a bit like when a character marries. We don't change the page name, we put also instead of née/né because we maintain a certain name is what they've been known by the longest and that we can go back to watch old episodes to see them by a different name e.g. we can easily go and watch or read something from 2007 when Denise was Denise Wicks and then watch yesterday's episode, where she's Denise Fox. It's the same with the revealation regarding Denise and Kim's relationship-we can just go back and watch episodes where they were half-sisters.
As yet, we're not sure what will happen, but I do think at present they should stay on each other's pages. As with Libby, Chelsea and Pearl, they've known Kim and Denise onscreen as their respective aunts and each other as cousins. I know it's not preferred by some not going beyond parents and siblings for adopted relatives, but sometimes, they have more, or an equal role in a characters storylines. It should depend on closeness and the Foxes aren't a really big family unit on the show, compared to the Beales or Brannings.
Thanks, Grangehilllover ( talk) 11:06, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
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