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I read in a newspaper article that MacShane is a biographer of Ted Heath. Why is that considering that MacShane is a Labourite and Heath was a Conservative Prime Minister. -- The Shadow Treasurer ( talk) 04:51, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I removed the following on NPOV grounds:
...despite the fact that highly regarded independent commentators such as Shami Chakrabarti, Director of Liberty, cited Davis' "courage and conviction" when asked to comment on his resignation.
Clearly editorialising, whether or not one agrees with it. Philip Cross ( talk) 21:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Should there be anything on this page about MacShane's allegations about Michał Kamiński? I think he alleged that Kamiński was an anti-semite and it turned out to be completely without merit. Tessaroithmost ( talk) 13:50, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
There seem to be a couple of things wrong here, although they have little to do with McShane:
Of course, it might well be that Saunders had Asperger's and that it contributed to getting him released, although it doesn't seem to have been widely publicised. Grover Snodd ( talk) 17:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Myself and another editor have reverted CoI edits by Joan Smith to both this article and the Joan Smith article also. The material is notable though might have implied that she had failed to mention that her partner was an MP when in reality she had only omitted his identity and the fact he had controversial expenses claims. My most recent revisions addressed all Joan Smith's concerns, yet rather worryingly the article has been reverted to the CoI version with additions from Smith herself! It's one thing to delete supposedly controversial material and seek discussion but to revert to a version with such obvious CoI additions really isn't appropriate.-- Shakehandsman ( talk) 21:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Hello, so whats going on? Whitewashing and COI are the other side of the coin of adding excessive negative attacking content. Users will come and remove it and change it to balance it up that is the way of the wikipedia. I will leave it to others to NPOV but I will note it. When living people are roused to revert and complain about a users additions that is imo worthy of note. The subjects of biographical articles have a right not to be attacked and negatively portrayed on wikipedia, that right supersedes individual users right to add whatever they want to a WP:BLP. Off2riorob ( talk) 17:08, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
The issue is ongoing at the Smith article with the subject or what looks like the subject complaining, content was added again by User:Straw Cat I have left him a note also, please consider not re-adding the material again, I will open a thread for discussion if the reverting continues, thanks. Off2riorob ( talk) 17:34, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
The lede of the BLP Joan Alison Smith (born 27 August 1953, London) is an English novelist, journalist and human rights activist, who is a former chair of the Writers in Prison committee in the English section of International PEN.
Lets attempt to portray living people as NPOV as possible, if her article lede doesn't describe her as so and so then please do not attempt tofocus on a single interest. Off2riorob ( talk) 19:11, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
If living people come to edit in defense of their article there is a BLP issue and consideration should be taken to a report at the BLPN. Please link up any previous report regarding the same BLP and related issues. Off2riorob ( talk) 19:19, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Per WP:STRUCTURE and Wikipedia:BLP#Due_weight, and Wikipedia:Controversy_sections#Avoid_sections_and_articles_focusing_on_criticisms_or_controversies - "Controversy" sections are generally a sign of a badly written article. The content, if important, should be woven throughout the article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:33, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Some editors are removing information about a relationship with Vicky Pryce. Unless I misread something, it appears to be sourced to the Mail and Telegraph, which I think would meet the criteria as reliable sources. The section could read better (it's a bit of a laundry list), but looks factually sound. -- h2g2bob ( talk) 21:26, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Wow, you don't trust legimate newspapers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.217.198 ( talk • contribs)
Actually the DM is a reliable source but not strong for any contentious claims about living persons - just like the Telegraph. What BLP requires is strong sourcing, and the sources fail that test here. Collect ( talk) 22:26, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
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I read in a newspaper article that MacShane is a biographer of Ted Heath. Why is that considering that MacShane is a Labourite and Heath was a Conservative Prime Minister. -- The Shadow Treasurer ( talk) 04:51, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I removed the following on NPOV grounds:
...despite the fact that highly regarded independent commentators such as Shami Chakrabarti, Director of Liberty, cited Davis' "courage and conviction" when asked to comment on his resignation.
Clearly editorialising, whether or not one agrees with it. Philip Cross ( talk) 21:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Should there be anything on this page about MacShane's allegations about Michał Kamiński? I think he alleged that Kamiński was an anti-semite and it turned out to be completely without merit. Tessaroithmost ( talk) 13:50, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
There seem to be a couple of things wrong here, although they have little to do with McShane:
Of course, it might well be that Saunders had Asperger's and that it contributed to getting him released, although it doesn't seem to have been widely publicised. Grover Snodd ( talk) 17:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Myself and another editor have reverted CoI edits by Joan Smith to both this article and the Joan Smith article also. The material is notable though might have implied that she had failed to mention that her partner was an MP when in reality she had only omitted his identity and the fact he had controversial expenses claims. My most recent revisions addressed all Joan Smith's concerns, yet rather worryingly the article has been reverted to the CoI version with additions from Smith herself! It's one thing to delete supposedly controversial material and seek discussion but to revert to a version with such obvious CoI additions really isn't appropriate.-- Shakehandsman ( talk) 21:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Hello, so whats going on? Whitewashing and COI are the other side of the coin of adding excessive negative attacking content. Users will come and remove it and change it to balance it up that is the way of the wikipedia. I will leave it to others to NPOV but I will note it. When living people are roused to revert and complain about a users additions that is imo worthy of note. The subjects of biographical articles have a right not to be attacked and negatively portrayed on wikipedia, that right supersedes individual users right to add whatever they want to a WP:BLP. Off2riorob ( talk) 17:08, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
The issue is ongoing at the Smith article with the subject or what looks like the subject complaining, content was added again by User:Straw Cat I have left him a note also, please consider not re-adding the material again, I will open a thread for discussion if the reverting continues, thanks. Off2riorob ( talk) 17:34, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
The lede of the BLP Joan Alison Smith (born 27 August 1953, London) is an English novelist, journalist and human rights activist, who is a former chair of the Writers in Prison committee in the English section of International PEN.
Lets attempt to portray living people as NPOV as possible, if her article lede doesn't describe her as so and so then please do not attempt tofocus on a single interest. Off2riorob ( talk) 19:11, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
If living people come to edit in defense of their article there is a BLP issue and consideration should be taken to a report at the BLPN. Please link up any previous report regarding the same BLP and related issues. Off2riorob ( talk) 19:19, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Per WP:STRUCTURE and Wikipedia:BLP#Due_weight, and Wikipedia:Controversy_sections#Avoid_sections_and_articles_focusing_on_criticisms_or_controversies - "Controversy" sections are generally a sign of a badly written article. The content, if important, should be woven throughout the article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:33, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
Some editors are removing information about a relationship with Vicky Pryce. Unless I misread something, it appears to be sourced to the Mail and Telegraph, which I think would meet the criteria as reliable sources. The section could read better (it's a bit of a laundry list), but looks factually sound. -- h2g2bob ( talk) 21:26, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Wow, you don't trust legimate newspapers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.217.198 ( talk • contribs)
Actually the DM is a reliable source but not strong for any contentious claims about living persons - just like the Telegraph. What BLP requires is strong sourcing, and the sources fail that test here. Collect ( talk) 22:26, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
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