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What is the source on the assasination attempts on Deng? Please give a source. Is the source online?
I want to add this but I'm not sure if it is true (a Google search seems to support it though...): "On July 22, 1977 Deng Xiaoping was restored to power as the " Gang of Four" are expelled from the Communist Party." -- mav
I learned in China that the presidents were Mao, Deng, Jiang, and Hu, but Deng is not listed as a leader. Liu Xiaoqi is only viewed as a person that tried to take over power after Mao (a so called treasoner) -- ( 71.131.194.67 07:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC))
See Wikipedia:alternate text for images. Martin 00:12, 4 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I removed the chart that referred to Mao as Deng's predecessor, and to Jiang as Deng's successor, as "Party leader." In the post-Mao period, Deng Xiaoping never held the post of Party "leadership." The chairmanship had been abolished upon the downfall of Hua Guofeng and Deng wielded power informally, having his protégés anointed as Party Secretaries. Deng was the "core" of the "second generation," while first Hu Yaobang, then Zhao Ziyang, and finally Jiang Zemin nominally held the highest Party posts. 172 03:39, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Mao was not educated in France! Colipon 19:51, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Why create a temp? Just add it in! -- Jiang 20:46, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)
This should be at least slightly reorganized somehow, though I'm not sure of the best way. His role in the Tiananmen Square protests is too well-known and significant (he played a very major role) to be hidden under a heading entitled "Institutionalization of Procedure". It should have its own heading, with discussion of the power-play between Deng and Zhao Ziyang and other related events. -- Delirium 09:39, Mar 8, 2004 (UTC)
Would anyone with some spare time plz fix the largeness of Deng's picture, perhaps brightness too... Thanks. Colipon 00:39, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Who wrote this article? I am reading through is and so far I have already identified a few factual errors. For example, Deng became Secretary General in 1954, not 1957.
Serious editing is needed for this article.
Can there be an article directing to Reforms, Opening up to the Outside World? (改革开放) Because that is really important. Colipon 17:14, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Ok, apart from that, which I've already raised on pages needing attention-history, but probably won't get a reply for another six months, Deng's revolutionary achievements are pretty much ignored, as are his experiences during the Cultural revolution. Colipon+( T) 21:57, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
unconstructive non-sense -- MarioGom ( talk) 06:33, 20 September 2019 (UTC) |
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it doesnt even say where he was born yeah that's rich of you to say
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My own (limited) understanding, based on a stay in Zhejiang province, near Wenzhou, is that the following also had major impacts:
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Is Deng Xiaoping good or bad?
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Should be create an article about GaigeKaifang? Colipon+( T) 02:30, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Did Deng ever hold the office of Vice Premier, or any other similar offices? — Insta ntnood 08:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
He did. That was his official post when Zhou Enlai was incapacitated. Colipon+( T) 04:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
The statement about Deng helping the "annexation" of Tibet is POV, as Chinese claims to the place predate Deng by centuries. If someone knows more detail about what Deng did in relation to Tibet, I'd appreciate it if the facts could be added there. Thanks. Ngchen 16:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
As an amateur historian I must say that both China and Tibet have valid arguments. The "Communist Takeover of Tibet" is by strict definition, a continuation of rule from the ROC, but was seen as an invasion because the PLA physically marched into Tibet. Check any legitimate Republic of China map today and it will continue to lay claim to Tibet (and Mongolia, in fact). Where Tibet wins the argument is that historically, many suzerains of China have achieved indepedence once a country deems it unecessary to need China's "protection", we see this with Korea and Vietnam. The Communist government simply isn't allowing the Tibetan people the rights to have this choice.
Deng Xiaoping was the leader of the military region in control of Tibet and Sichuan at the time, and therefore was instrumental in the PLA entry into Tibet, as well as gathering support from the Panchen Lama. Colipon+( T) 04:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Will someone come and edit Deng's early career, it's in such a degrading state. Colipon+( T) 04:19, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
A lot of the phrasing in this article is either pov-laden or not in encyclopedic tone. The trivia section, like all trivia sections on WP, should have what relevant info there is merged into the article, the rest gutted. -- Improv 00:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Could you specify which parts you'd like to see changed? It might speed up the process. Colipon+( T) 04:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I undid the revision to his age at which he travelled to France. A little bit of math, assuming that his birthday given is correct, shows it to be obviously 15. But when he arrived in France is unclear. The article here lists it as October, but the featured article in Spanish lists it as November. Since I don't know the correct figure, I've tagged it for the time being. Ngchen 22:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
A couple of words removed from the section on Deng's re-emergence for reasons of logical inconsistency. Radchenk ( talk) 07:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
pretty unorthodox biography in that case, don't you think? my point is not in any way new to this talk page: THIS ARTICLE NEEDS SOME SERIOUS EDITINsorry, cause unlike the others with the same sentiment, i can't back it up-- Dennisjiewenliu ( talk) 22:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Deng's relationship with Thompson is a major factor in why over 100,000 jobs were directly lost from Kentucky, with the help of Thompson, and sent directly to China. When Deng came to the USA in the late 90's, he made a special visit for a PRIVATE dinner at the home of the Thompsons, and right after that almost 30,000 Kentucky jobs suddenly went to China. Just one more example of Thompson's butt-buddy relationship with the Communist Chinese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.19.246 ( talk) 05:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
1) Fiction 2) Just a coincidence of globalization
Oh, and it would be great if you could leave out unconstructive phrases like "butt-buddy" in your posts so we can have a level-headed discussion in here. Thanks. 134.121.247.116 ( talk) 23:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
In the Re-emergence section, it states that "Prior to Mao's death, the only official position he held was that of Executive Vice-Premier of the State Council."
This is not correct. According to Richard Baum's "Burying Mao: Chinese Politics in the Age of Deng Xiaoping" (p. 46), at the Third Plenary Session of the 10th Central Committee (July 1977), "Deng was restored to all FOUR posts from which he had be removed in April 1976: CCP Vice Chairman, MAC Vice Chairman, First Deputy Premier and PLA Chief of Staff."
In terms of when Deng was appointed to these four positions, the same source (p. 29) quotes, "After spending seven years in Cultural Revolution ignominy, Deng Xiaoping was rehabilitated and restored to favor at the Tenth Party Congress in 1973...Deng was elevated to the concurrent posts of vice-chairman of the party's Military Affairs Commission and vice-premier of the State Council. In January 1975 he was also named PLA chief of staff and vice-chairman of the party Central Committee."
Finally, Deng was stripped of all four posts at an April 7th 1976 Politburo meeting following the first Tiananmen Incident. Page 36 of the same source states, "...Central Document No 10...condemned Deng Xiaoping's recent behavior as an "antagonistic contradition," and ordered Deng's immediate dismissal from all official posts inside and outside the party." 122.26.104.177 ( talk) 14:10, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Image:Shenzhen.Statue.Deng Xiaoping.jpg, with the caption "Statue of Deng at Shenzhen" has a partial picture of some guys' head in with the statue-it looks embarrasing. If someone with an account could fix it, that would be great. 134.121.247.116 ( talk) 23:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Are the number of citations already enough to remove the disclaimer? I read it and I found the number of citations adequate. Thoughts? If no one objects, I will remove the disclaimer in a week. Thanks, Editor br ( talk) 02:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I think Deng is not a good man —Preceding
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Another comment by another person who occasionally edits Wiki: The Legacy section references the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, but not in a substantive way. It seems to me that both the historical and Chinese domestic assessment of the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 is unsettled and that this should be raised in the Legacy section, i.e. "That said, Deng's legacy may be subject to additional scrutiny as it is likely that the historical and Chinese domestic assessment of Tiananmen has yet to be fully undertaken as more definitive information becomes public and as this is subjected to the passage of time."
From the article: "Deng penned several articles supporting reforms under the pen name "Huang Fuping" in Shanghai's Liberation Daily newspaper"
However, by doing some google search (both Chinese and English), it is found that "Huang Fuping" was actually the pen name of Ruijin Zhou (周瑞金), the vice editor in chief of Liberation Daily newspaper at that time (possibly with the help of two other people for the articles under this pen name). I'm going to revise it, but feel free to correct me if you have more reliable sources. Took ( talk) 05:20, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Is it true he used to eat four puppies for breakfast? Or is that a racist Urban Legend? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.159.111.98 ( talk) 10:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
According to the Chinese government, Deng Xiaoping experienced more assassination attempts than any other senior Chinese leader. Information declassified after Hu Jintao came to power, details seven attempts on Deng's life from the 1960s to the 1980s. Most of the cases remain unsolved, and all of them were rooted in Maoist opposition to Deng's reform:
The article is missing information, and even the mentioning of the Sino-Vietnamese War -- TIAYN ( talk) 20:19, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Page 1 of the second edition of Deng Xiaoping and the Making of Modern China refers to Deng's mother as Dan Shideng. "Dan Shideng" means "Wife of Deng from the Dan family" WhisperToMe ( talk) 15:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
The article currently states:
References
Hello! I noticed that an editor removed this sentence without an edit summary: Although the president was conceived of as a figurehead of state, actual state power rested in the hands of the premier and the party chief; both offices conceived as held by separate people in order to prevent a cult of personality similar to that of Mao. I personally think it's poorly worded, but excellent information. If we can reword it and/or source it, would anyone object to me adding this back in? LesVegas ( talk) 23:36, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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What is the source on the assasination attempts on Deng? Please give a source. Is the source online?
I want to add this but I'm not sure if it is true (a Google search seems to support it though...): "On July 22, 1977 Deng Xiaoping was restored to power as the " Gang of Four" are expelled from the Communist Party." -- mav
I learned in China that the presidents were Mao, Deng, Jiang, and Hu, but Deng is not listed as a leader. Liu Xiaoqi is only viewed as a person that tried to take over power after Mao (a so called treasoner) -- ( 71.131.194.67 07:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC))
See Wikipedia:alternate text for images. Martin 00:12, 4 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I removed the chart that referred to Mao as Deng's predecessor, and to Jiang as Deng's successor, as "Party leader." In the post-Mao period, Deng Xiaoping never held the post of Party "leadership." The chairmanship had been abolished upon the downfall of Hua Guofeng and Deng wielded power informally, having his protégés anointed as Party Secretaries. Deng was the "core" of the "second generation," while first Hu Yaobang, then Zhao Ziyang, and finally Jiang Zemin nominally held the highest Party posts. 172 03:39, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Mao was not educated in France! Colipon 19:51, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Why create a temp? Just add it in! -- Jiang 20:46, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)
This should be at least slightly reorganized somehow, though I'm not sure of the best way. His role in the Tiananmen Square protests is too well-known and significant (he played a very major role) to be hidden under a heading entitled "Institutionalization of Procedure". It should have its own heading, with discussion of the power-play between Deng and Zhao Ziyang and other related events. -- Delirium 09:39, Mar 8, 2004 (UTC)
Would anyone with some spare time plz fix the largeness of Deng's picture, perhaps brightness too... Thanks. Colipon 00:39, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Who wrote this article? I am reading through is and so far I have already identified a few factual errors. For example, Deng became Secretary General in 1954, not 1957.
Serious editing is needed for this article.
Can there be an article directing to Reforms, Opening up to the Outside World? (改革开放) Because that is really important. Colipon 17:14, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Ok, apart from that, which I've already raised on pages needing attention-history, but probably won't get a reply for another six months, Deng's revolutionary achievements are pretty much ignored, as are his experiences during the Cultural revolution. Colipon+( T) 21:57, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
unconstructive non-sense -- MarioGom ( talk) 06:33, 20 September 2019 (UTC) |
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it doesnt even say where he was born yeah that's rich of you to say
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My own (limited) understanding, based on a stay in Zhejiang province, near Wenzhou, is that the following also had major impacts:
Andrius Kulikauskas
WP:NOTFORUM and WP:NPA -- MarioGom ( talk) 06:33, 20 September 2019 (UTC) |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
Is Deng Xiaoping good or bad?
|
Should be create an article about GaigeKaifang? Colipon+( T) 02:30, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Did Deng ever hold the office of Vice Premier, or any other similar offices? — Insta ntnood 08:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
He did. That was his official post when Zhou Enlai was incapacitated. Colipon+( T) 04:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
The statement about Deng helping the "annexation" of Tibet is POV, as Chinese claims to the place predate Deng by centuries. If someone knows more detail about what Deng did in relation to Tibet, I'd appreciate it if the facts could be added there. Thanks. Ngchen 16:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
As an amateur historian I must say that both China and Tibet have valid arguments. The "Communist Takeover of Tibet" is by strict definition, a continuation of rule from the ROC, but was seen as an invasion because the PLA physically marched into Tibet. Check any legitimate Republic of China map today and it will continue to lay claim to Tibet (and Mongolia, in fact). Where Tibet wins the argument is that historically, many suzerains of China have achieved indepedence once a country deems it unecessary to need China's "protection", we see this with Korea and Vietnam. The Communist government simply isn't allowing the Tibetan people the rights to have this choice.
Deng Xiaoping was the leader of the military region in control of Tibet and Sichuan at the time, and therefore was instrumental in the PLA entry into Tibet, as well as gathering support from the Panchen Lama. Colipon+( T) 04:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Will someone come and edit Deng's early career, it's in such a degrading state. Colipon+( T) 04:19, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
A lot of the phrasing in this article is either pov-laden or not in encyclopedic tone. The trivia section, like all trivia sections on WP, should have what relevant info there is merged into the article, the rest gutted. -- Improv 00:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Could you specify which parts you'd like to see changed? It might speed up the process. Colipon+( T) 04:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I undid the revision to his age at which he travelled to France. A little bit of math, assuming that his birthday given is correct, shows it to be obviously 15. But when he arrived in France is unclear. The article here lists it as October, but the featured article in Spanish lists it as November. Since I don't know the correct figure, I've tagged it for the time being. Ngchen 22:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
A couple of words removed from the section on Deng's re-emergence for reasons of logical inconsistency. Radchenk ( talk) 07:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
pretty unorthodox biography in that case, don't you think? my point is not in any way new to this talk page: THIS ARTICLE NEEDS SOME SERIOUS EDITINsorry, cause unlike the others with the same sentiment, i can't back it up-- Dennisjiewenliu ( talk) 22:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Deng's relationship with Thompson is a major factor in why over 100,000 jobs were directly lost from Kentucky, with the help of Thompson, and sent directly to China. When Deng came to the USA in the late 90's, he made a special visit for a PRIVATE dinner at the home of the Thompsons, and right after that almost 30,000 Kentucky jobs suddenly went to China. Just one more example of Thompson's butt-buddy relationship with the Communist Chinese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.19.246 ( talk) 05:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
1) Fiction 2) Just a coincidence of globalization
Oh, and it would be great if you could leave out unconstructive phrases like "butt-buddy" in your posts so we can have a level-headed discussion in here. Thanks. 134.121.247.116 ( talk) 23:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
In the Re-emergence section, it states that "Prior to Mao's death, the only official position he held was that of Executive Vice-Premier of the State Council."
This is not correct. According to Richard Baum's "Burying Mao: Chinese Politics in the Age of Deng Xiaoping" (p. 46), at the Third Plenary Session of the 10th Central Committee (July 1977), "Deng was restored to all FOUR posts from which he had be removed in April 1976: CCP Vice Chairman, MAC Vice Chairman, First Deputy Premier and PLA Chief of Staff."
In terms of when Deng was appointed to these four positions, the same source (p. 29) quotes, "After spending seven years in Cultural Revolution ignominy, Deng Xiaoping was rehabilitated and restored to favor at the Tenth Party Congress in 1973...Deng was elevated to the concurrent posts of vice-chairman of the party's Military Affairs Commission and vice-premier of the State Council. In January 1975 he was also named PLA chief of staff and vice-chairman of the party Central Committee."
Finally, Deng was stripped of all four posts at an April 7th 1976 Politburo meeting following the first Tiananmen Incident. Page 36 of the same source states, "...Central Document No 10...condemned Deng Xiaoping's recent behavior as an "antagonistic contradition," and ordered Deng's immediate dismissal from all official posts inside and outside the party." 122.26.104.177 ( talk) 14:10, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Image:Shenzhen.Statue.Deng Xiaoping.jpg, with the caption "Statue of Deng at Shenzhen" has a partial picture of some guys' head in with the statue-it looks embarrasing. If someone with an account could fix it, that would be great. 134.121.247.116 ( talk) 23:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Are the number of citations already enough to remove the disclaimer? I read it and I found the number of citations adequate. Thoughts? If no one objects, I will remove the disclaimer in a week. Thanks, Editor br ( talk) 02:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I think Deng is not a good man —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
218.56.11.66 (
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23:46, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Another comment by another person who occasionally edits Wiki: The Legacy section references the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, but not in a substantive way. It seems to me that both the historical and Chinese domestic assessment of the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 is unsettled and that this should be raised in the Legacy section, i.e. "That said, Deng's legacy may be subject to additional scrutiny as it is likely that the historical and Chinese domestic assessment of Tiananmen has yet to be fully undertaken as more definitive information becomes public and as this is subjected to the passage of time."
From the article: "Deng penned several articles supporting reforms under the pen name "Huang Fuping" in Shanghai's Liberation Daily newspaper"
However, by doing some google search (both Chinese and English), it is found that "Huang Fuping" was actually the pen name of Ruijin Zhou (周瑞金), the vice editor in chief of Liberation Daily newspaper at that time (possibly with the help of two other people for the articles under this pen name). I'm going to revise it, but feel free to correct me if you have more reliable sources. Took ( talk) 05:20, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Is it true he used to eat four puppies for breakfast? Or is that a racist Urban Legend? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.159.111.98 ( talk) 10:35, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
According to the Chinese government, Deng Xiaoping experienced more assassination attempts than any other senior Chinese leader. Information declassified after Hu Jintao came to power, details seven attempts on Deng's life from the 1960s to the 1980s. Most of the cases remain unsolved, and all of them were rooted in Maoist opposition to Deng's reform:
The article is missing information, and even the mentioning of the Sino-Vietnamese War -- TIAYN ( talk) 20:19, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Page 1 of the second edition of Deng Xiaoping and the Making of Modern China refers to Deng's mother as Dan Shideng. "Dan Shideng" means "Wife of Deng from the Dan family" WhisperToMe ( talk) 15:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
The article currently states:
References
Hello! I noticed that an editor removed this sentence without an edit summary: Although the president was conceived of as a figurehead of state, actual state power rested in the hands of the premier and the party chief; both offices conceived as held by separate people in order to prevent a cult of personality similar to that of Mao. I personally think it's poorly worded, but excellent information. If we can reword it and/or source it, would anyone object to me adding this back in? LesVegas ( talk) 23:36, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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A little over two months ago I made this addition to the lead, regarding the historical framework of Deng Xiaping's carreer. My rationale was that the lead only presented positive aspects of its carreer while ommiting reference to the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, in which the role of the PRC is controversial to the Western World.
This addition has been reverted 4 times ( here, here, here, and here), always by IP editors. The first three provided no justification while the last raised the issue of consensus. I reverted all these edits, commenting in the last one that any disagreements need reasons.
To conclude, I believe it is benefitial to mention the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 in the lead. Critisism is welcome, but it should be based on reason. Nxavar ( talk) 14:14, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
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