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I have taken the initiative and moved this page from Denel Aviation AH-2 Rooivalk, as the company website states that Denel Aviation is a company within Denel Aerospace Systems. In addition, the Denel Aerospace site states that it manufactures the AH-2 Rooivalk. - BillCJ 16:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Rooivalk literally means "red falcon" however a better translation would be "kestrel". The name is appropriate as the kestrel is a hovering bird. See http://www.matroosberg.com/birdlist.htm Booshank 18:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
In the article it claims that the Rooivalk was developed from the Alouette but the Infobox claims that it was developed from the Puma...
These are demonstrably different aircraft and this section should be fixed... Eugene Roux 13:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
A sad end to a wonderful design!
Koxinga CDF
16:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
BillCJ, the revert cycle isn't getting us anywhere, so it's probably best to iron the issue out here before filling up any more edit boxes.
Fact is, the RAH-66 Comanche never entered service, it remained a prototype. As such, it is more comparable to helicopters like the Cheyenne, rather than helicopters like the Rooivalk which have entered service (and you're right about the number of 12). However, the main difference is in the roles of the two aircraft: The Comanche was to have been a quick and light armed scout helicopter, with enough weaponry to defend itself and undertake the odd surgical strike but none of the offensive firepower of the Apache. The Rooivalk, on the contrary, is a heavy attack helicopter far closer to the Apache in its capability and intended mission.
If we are to include the Comanche in the Comparable aircraft list, well then we might as well just include each and every attack helicopter on earth in there, including all the Russian helos. Yet this is unworkable, so I'd suggest moving to stricter criteria for deciding on what to include in that list. Personally, I would prefer to limit it to heavy attack helicopters, such as the Apache and Mi-28. — Impi 17:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
The list again includes types that are clearly not in the same class in terms of the criteria agreed to here. I have deleted the light helicopters. Roger ( talk) 20:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Should this article mention the loss of one Rooivalk? [1] [2] Roger ( talk) 16:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Denel AH-2 Rooivalk →
Denel Rooivalk – I would like to suggest an article move to
Denel Rooivalk (presently a redirect). There is no evidence that either Denel or the SAAF use the 'AH-2' designation, whereas the examples taken into service with the SAAF have been designated the 'Rooivalk Mk 1' (Block 1F)
[3] and Denel continues to market the helicopter only as the 'Rooivalk'
[4]. So
Denel Rooivalk would be the most recognisable name for the aircraft and would therefore be in keeping with the most-used phrase describing the aircraft as per the
Wikipedia aircraft naming conventions.
Darren (
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12:48, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
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Going over this article and giving it a general polish, a couple of things occur to me. First of all, the original editor's use of the word "rotorcraft". I'm fairly well-versed in helicopter history and military use and I can't say I've ever seen the word before. My first impulse was to do a global search and replace for the word "helicopter", but I'd be interested to see if any other editors have any comments on that subject, and are there any options in Wikipedia for a search and replace function?
The second subject concerns an accident that occurred at Ysterplaat AFB in Cape Town in late 1994. I lived very close to the base at the time and was working on it as a civilian when an SAAF Oryx and a Rooivalk nearly collided near the base in the airspace over the city. In avoiding the collision, the Oryx actually pulled negative Gs, which caused the rotor blades to flex downwards and chop the air filter off the front of the engine intakes, and losing two blades in the process. The Oryx began to break up over the city, scattering debris over a wide path across the suburb. It barely made it back onto the airbase before it crashlanded. I still have pieces of the air filter in my personal collection which fell on the roof of the block of flats where I was living at the time. My question is this: is this a suitable subject to add to the page? I haven't seen any news reports of the accident online, so citations may be a problem. Cadar ( talk) 20:34, 15 June 2017 (UTC) Cadar ( talk) 20:44, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Cadar ( talk) 11:34, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Cadar ( talk) 19:14, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi, The article is mostly well supported by citations to sources, I've requested a few more. Then could be reassessed as "B". Can anyone who contributed please help? Thanks, DPdH ( talk) 20:51, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Why is the South African Rooivalk the subject of so many myths and legends? It is claimed that this helicopter did almost everything first (from flying inverted to the optronics - a commercial foreign system) and better than anything that ever was or ever will be - yet most of these claims are easily debunked with a quick search. The proponents also get highly emotional about the objective facts. They will become very angry about 'copy-cats' that 'look similar' (e.g. the A129 and T129) - even if these flew long before the Rooivalk project even started. Many key components are directly from foreign or existing designs licensed. It was only produced in tiny numbers with only one customer. The avionics are from the dark ages. It also until recently lacked key systems that any modern battlefield helicopter should have. It is also expensive. Is this emotional response to the helicopter the result of state propaganda? Or lack of information during South Africa's isolation period? Or a defeated people trying to make a legacy that never was? Something else? Is this issue worthy of a section? Anonymous due to me not wanting to be stalked by South African nationalists. 196.24.216.2 ( talk) 08:31, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
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I have taken the initiative and moved this page from Denel Aviation AH-2 Rooivalk, as the company website states that Denel Aviation is a company within Denel Aerospace Systems. In addition, the Denel Aerospace site states that it manufactures the AH-2 Rooivalk. - BillCJ 16:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Rooivalk literally means "red falcon" however a better translation would be "kestrel". The name is appropriate as the kestrel is a hovering bird. See http://www.matroosberg.com/birdlist.htm Booshank 18:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
In the article it claims that the Rooivalk was developed from the Alouette but the Infobox claims that it was developed from the Puma...
These are demonstrably different aircraft and this section should be fixed... Eugene Roux 13:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
A sad end to a wonderful design!
Koxinga CDF
16:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
BillCJ, the revert cycle isn't getting us anywhere, so it's probably best to iron the issue out here before filling up any more edit boxes.
Fact is, the RAH-66 Comanche never entered service, it remained a prototype. As such, it is more comparable to helicopters like the Cheyenne, rather than helicopters like the Rooivalk which have entered service (and you're right about the number of 12). However, the main difference is in the roles of the two aircraft: The Comanche was to have been a quick and light armed scout helicopter, with enough weaponry to defend itself and undertake the odd surgical strike but none of the offensive firepower of the Apache. The Rooivalk, on the contrary, is a heavy attack helicopter far closer to the Apache in its capability and intended mission.
If we are to include the Comanche in the Comparable aircraft list, well then we might as well just include each and every attack helicopter on earth in there, including all the Russian helos. Yet this is unworkable, so I'd suggest moving to stricter criteria for deciding on what to include in that list. Personally, I would prefer to limit it to heavy attack helicopters, such as the Apache and Mi-28. — Impi 17:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
The list again includes types that are clearly not in the same class in terms of the criteria agreed to here. I have deleted the light helicopters. Roger ( talk) 20:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Should this article mention the loss of one Rooivalk? [1] [2] Roger ( talk) 16:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Denel AH-2 Rooivalk →
Denel Rooivalk – I would like to suggest an article move to
Denel Rooivalk (presently a redirect). There is no evidence that either Denel or the SAAF use the 'AH-2' designation, whereas the examples taken into service with the SAAF have been designated the 'Rooivalk Mk 1' (Block 1F)
[3] and Denel continues to market the helicopter only as the 'Rooivalk'
[4]. So
Denel Rooivalk would be the most recognisable name for the aircraft and would therefore be in keeping with the most-used phrase describing the aircraft as per the
Wikipedia aircraft naming conventions.
Darren (
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12:48, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
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Going over this article and giving it a general polish, a couple of things occur to me. First of all, the original editor's use of the word "rotorcraft". I'm fairly well-versed in helicopter history and military use and I can't say I've ever seen the word before. My first impulse was to do a global search and replace for the word "helicopter", but I'd be interested to see if any other editors have any comments on that subject, and are there any options in Wikipedia for a search and replace function?
The second subject concerns an accident that occurred at Ysterplaat AFB in Cape Town in late 1994. I lived very close to the base at the time and was working on it as a civilian when an SAAF Oryx and a Rooivalk nearly collided near the base in the airspace over the city. In avoiding the collision, the Oryx actually pulled negative Gs, which caused the rotor blades to flex downwards and chop the air filter off the front of the engine intakes, and losing two blades in the process. The Oryx began to break up over the city, scattering debris over a wide path across the suburb. It barely made it back onto the airbase before it crashlanded. I still have pieces of the air filter in my personal collection which fell on the roof of the block of flats where I was living at the time. My question is this: is this a suitable subject to add to the page? I haven't seen any news reports of the accident online, so citations may be a problem. Cadar ( talk) 20:34, 15 June 2017 (UTC) Cadar ( talk) 20:44, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Cadar ( talk) 11:34, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Cadar ( talk) 19:14, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi, The article is mostly well supported by citations to sources, I've requested a few more. Then could be reassessed as "B". Can anyone who contributed please help? Thanks, DPdH ( talk) 20:51, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Why is the South African Rooivalk the subject of so many myths and legends? It is claimed that this helicopter did almost everything first (from flying inverted to the optronics - a commercial foreign system) and better than anything that ever was or ever will be - yet most of these claims are easily debunked with a quick search. The proponents also get highly emotional about the objective facts. They will become very angry about 'copy-cats' that 'look similar' (e.g. the A129 and T129) - even if these flew long before the Rooivalk project even started. Many key components are directly from foreign or existing designs licensed. It was only produced in tiny numbers with only one customer. The avionics are from the dark ages. It also until recently lacked key systems that any modern battlefield helicopter should have. It is also expensive. Is this emotional response to the helicopter the result of state propaganda? Or lack of information during South Africa's isolation period? Or a defeated people trying to make a legacy that never was? Something else? Is this issue worthy of a section? Anonymous due to me not wanting to be stalked by South African nationalists. 196.24.216.2 ( talk) 08:31, 4 February 2022 (UTC)