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I suggest that the Arabic meaning of Deneb, and the associated mythology, be added to this article.
I got to this page by following a link from the Blue Giant article. Shouldn't the Deneb article mention that Deneb is a Blue Giant? This would seem to be important information.
HIP 97871 actually belongs to V1291 Aquilae and the actual Hipparcos designation for Deneb is HIP 102098 please fix this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nussun05 ( talk • contribs) 08:05, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
"adopted distance". This is a peculiar undefined phrase that I can't find anywhere on the internet. The definition of "adopted" does not include a meaning that would apply to distance. How does one "adopt" a measurement? I'm guessing, from context, that it is an agreed-upon distance because the actual distance is not precisely known. But this odd-ball jargon should be linked to a proper explanation. 77Mike77 ( talk) 15:10, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, that was my guess, but it's widespread use "in the literature" equates to the phrase being jargon. To most people, "adopt" means, e.g. "adopt a stray cat", and this accords with both the dictionary definition and common usage. To "adopt" a measurement is something that makes no dictionary sense, nor common sense. So I was wondering whether one could state with confidence that Deneb is 2600 ly away. Elsewhere, I read that the calculated distance ranges from about 2400 to 2800, depending on the technique, so I see that 2600 is like an average, or a compromise. Probably most people interested in Deneb would guess that much, so it's not a big deal to me, but "adopted" does come across as jargony, given that this is supposed to be a general encyclopedia, not an article targeting experts. "Approximate" might be a less jargony choice, but that's just my opinion. 77Mike77 ( talk) 22:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
It's still not very scientific. You could adopt the identity of Peter Pan, but that doesn't mean you are. The word "adopted distance" suggests that the distance was plucked out of a buffet of random distances, and may therefore have nothing to do with the actual distance. I'm not saying that the meaning of the word "adopted" cannot be stretched out enough to provide an excuse for using the shop-talk jargon phrase "adopted distance", which is apparently what you are fixated on doing. I am pointing out that it IS insider jargon that leaves the non-specialist reader wondering if the number 2600 is reliable, or just pulled out of a hat. In other words, this article is NOT encylopedic, because it locks out the majority of readers who are not already specialists. Too many wikipedia contributors seem unable to grasp the meaning of the word "encyclopedia". I only looked at this specialist's shop-talk article because the search engines put Wikipedia at the top. In future, I'll skip to the next one as a time-saver. The other articles I read were better than this one, and are more suitable for reading by the general public, and more informative. 77Mike77 ( talk) 16:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
I think "approximate distance" would be less jargony, and convey the same information. I'm reluctant to edit it myself, because usually my edits are reverted. I'm not complaining, just making a constructive suggestion. Basically, I think it is very cool to be interested in astronomy, and no offence was intended. I'm still in awe of how huge Deneb is, and how it is so bright at such a distance. 77Mike77 ( talk) 17:38, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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I suggest that the Arabic meaning of Deneb, and the associated mythology, be added to this article.
I got to this page by following a link from the Blue Giant article. Shouldn't the Deneb article mention that Deneb is a Blue Giant? This would seem to be important information.
HIP 97871 actually belongs to V1291 Aquilae and the actual Hipparcos designation for Deneb is HIP 102098 please fix this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nussun05 ( talk • contribs) 08:05, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
"adopted distance". This is a peculiar undefined phrase that I can't find anywhere on the internet. The definition of "adopted" does not include a meaning that would apply to distance. How does one "adopt" a measurement? I'm guessing, from context, that it is an agreed-upon distance because the actual distance is not precisely known. But this odd-ball jargon should be linked to a proper explanation. 77Mike77 ( talk) 15:10, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, that was my guess, but it's widespread use "in the literature" equates to the phrase being jargon. To most people, "adopt" means, e.g. "adopt a stray cat", and this accords with both the dictionary definition and common usage. To "adopt" a measurement is something that makes no dictionary sense, nor common sense. So I was wondering whether one could state with confidence that Deneb is 2600 ly away. Elsewhere, I read that the calculated distance ranges from about 2400 to 2800, depending on the technique, so I see that 2600 is like an average, or a compromise. Probably most people interested in Deneb would guess that much, so it's not a big deal to me, but "adopted" does come across as jargony, given that this is supposed to be a general encyclopedia, not an article targeting experts. "Approximate" might be a less jargony choice, but that's just my opinion. 77Mike77 ( talk) 22:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
It's still not very scientific. You could adopt the identity of Peter Pan, but that doesn't mean you are. The word "adopted distance" suggests that the distance was plucked out of a buffet of random distances, and may therefore have nothing to do with the actual distance. I'm not saying that the meaning of the word "adopted" cannot be stretched out enough to provide an excuse for using the shop-talk jargon phrase "adopted distance", which is apparently what you are fixated on doing. I am pointing out that it IS insider jargon that leaves the non-specialist reader wondering if the number 2600 is reliable, or just pulled out of a hat. In other words, this article is NOT encylopedic, because it locks out the majority of readers who are not already specialists. Too many wikipedia contributors seem unable to grasp the meaning of the word "encyclopedia". I only looked at this specialist's shop-talk article because the search engines put Wikipedia at the top. In future, I'll skip to the next one as a time-saver. The other articles I read were better than this one, and are more suitable for reading by the general public, and more informative. 77Mike77 ( talk) 16:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
I think "approximate distance" would be less jargony, and convey the same information. I'm reluctant to edit it myself, because usually my edits are reverted. I'm not complaining, just making a constructive suggestion. Basically, I think it is very cool to be interested in astronomy, and no offence was intended. I'm still in awe of how huge Deneb is, and how it is so bright at such a distance. 77Mike77 ( talk) 17:38, 11 November 2020 (UTC)