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[또 `우클릭` 논란을 겪을 정도로 올해 안보행보를 보여온 김 대표의 가치관과 "경제는 진보, 안보는 보수"라고 주장해온 안 위원장의 지론이 결합해 `신당은 튼튼한 안보를 바탕으로 한반도 평화를 구축하고 통일을 지향한다`는 문구를 만들어냈다.] Error: {{Lang}}: text has italic markup ( help) —Source: 매경뉴스 (in Korean)
@ 180.230.243.143: See the part of your source (in Korean). And stop the vandalism, please. Thanks. -- Idh0854 ( talk) 15:25, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
@ 117.53.77.84: Stop the edit warring and see the part of your source, too. -- Idh0854 ( talk) 15:54, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
@ 117.53.77.84: The principles of centrist conservatism are not incompatible with those of centre-left. Also, stop the edit warring and join this talk. Thanks. -- Idh0854 ( talk) 14:04, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
@ 117.53.77.84: Aside from your removal of cited material, I don't really understand what you mean by your reference to the Democratic Party in your edit summary. "Centre", "centre-left" etc. are not American terms (in fact they're originally French), and centre-left parties can be very different in different countries. In any case, we follow the reliable sources in these descriptions, and I am confident that the vast majority of reliable sources refer to the Minjudang as a centre/centre-left party. I'm slightly confused since in the discussion above from 2 years ago, as far as I understand, you seem to have been arguing that this party is centre-left. — Nizolan (talk) 19:20, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move. General consensus to move ( non-admin closure). SSTflyer 03:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
The Minjoo Party of Korea →
Minjoo Party of Korea – Per
WP:DEFINITE and
WP:COMMONNAME as translation (irrespective of the party's official use of "The"). Contrary to
Sawol's reasoning, the vast majority of the English sources do not capitalise the "the"; see
this Google News search (and my analysis of the first 10 results as of 28 March 2016 below, and the following sources:
Bloomberg,
CBS,
ABC,
Yonhap (!),
Deutsche Welle,
BBC,
The Diplomat,
The Economist). —
Nizolan
(talk) 03:07, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
"Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources."You haven't cited any Wikipedia guidelines showing otherwise yet. — Nizolan (talk) 04:24, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Hangul | Romanization | Meaning | English | Note | Abbreviation | |
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더불어 | deobureo | together, along with, in company with | The | phonetic twins deo, the | 더 | The |
민주 | minju | democratic | Minjoo | 민주 | Minjoo | |
당 | dang | party | Party | |||
of Korea | supplementary information |
There doesn't appear to be any explanation of the party's political positions whatsoever. What do they stand for? 2601:182:C800:719F:D455:B489:6793:2EA0 ( talk) 03:24, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
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[Announcement] The Minjoo Party of Korea Announces Its New Official English Name: Democratic Party of Korea (DPK)[ [25]]
They officially changed their English name to "Democratic Party of Korea" on 19 October, 2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeitcH ( talk • contribs) 13:37, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) -- Dane talk 02:00, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
Minjoo Party of Korea →
Democratic Party of Korea – Reverted their official name after merging with
Minjoo Party (2014). Estas
Erad De., aŭ moknomo
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젠장, option이 안먹힐 줄 몰랐군. 00:12, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
The party is described as centrist or liberal by majority of reliable foreign media. The party can't have social democracy or liberal socialism as ideology. However some users are keep editing article with improper sources. The main reason that the article is semi-protected is to protect article frome those sources. The users who have different opinion on this issue is free to discuss about it. However do not add those sources with out specific discussion. Jeff6045 06:23, 27 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff6045 ( talk • contribs)
Well, I think I've already told you enough. Here is my last comment and you've never refuted this argument. "You must pay attention to the fact that all of my edits about the party's ideology were arranged on *Factions* sector. 1. If the party seeks to convert nation's identity from the LibDem to the value-neutral democracy, it can be considered as a proof that the several party members support SocDem(or even People's democracy) since removing liberty from the nation is the first step of their system remodeling. 2. As you know, the strength of Minister Cho-guk's political power at presidential majority party is an open secret. This fact implies that there are many faithful believers of Minister Cho who support their religious leader's socialism ideology, which can be also called *Liberal socialism* since minister Cho described himself a Liberal-Socialist. I hope this explanation helps you." If I have to say one more thing, I'll say that it is no surprise that DPK has such a radical socialist faction, since the party is partially based on the Natioanl Liberation group, whose purpose was a violent revolution which could lead korean nation to the Proletarian Dictatorship.-- Sm5278 ( talk) 07:06, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Sm5278:, Nope the party is described as centrist by majority of mainstream media. You'r opinion is completely biased and based on south korean's ultra-conservatives theory. Do not edit article due to your own view. I had already made refute on your sources. Also do not edit article with out any discussion. And please read article about Liberalism in South Korea. The party is not social-democratic or liberal socialist. The party is centrist liberal political party. I'm going to do whatever I can do to protect the article from unnecessary sources. Jeff6045 07:28, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Jeff6045:, I think you're quiet young, Right? It is an untouchable fact that DPK's historical origin can be traced by checking two existed revolutionary group of south korea. First, there was the 'National Liberation' group, who followed DPRK's Jucheism. And the other was the 'People's Democracy' group, who followed the international socialism of Soviet union. Of course they had collapsed after the fall of berlin wall, but they found a means of escape in the coalition with kim dae-jung, former president of ROK. That was the begining of DPK's leftists group. Understand? Of course there are liberal politicians in DPK, but what I want to say is that there are also socialist politicians in DPK. Foreign observers can't catch everthing. Korean know Korea best. Please check this article. Check -- Sm5278 ( talk) 07:58, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I'm young man in south korea. But I know radical anti-comminist stances porduced by far-right Liberty korea party. I think you have very big mistake on your understanding on the party. I just want to ask one simple question. In Spain the rulling government party is Spanish Socialist Workers' Party, also in portugal, rulling Socialist Party (Portugal) has made government with support of Unitary Democratic Coalition. In your view these two governments are communist regime that follows North korea? Jeff6045 08:20, 27 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff6045 ( talk • contribs)
@ Jeff6045:, Well, I think that's out of point, but if you want my answer, I'll say that european parties which call themselves a socialist party, are no more socialists. But you know what? Social Democratic Party of Germany, which is one of the famous 'Self-calling socialist party of Europe', had followed Marxism and refused parliamentary politics at 19th ceuntry. You must knows that 'Socialism' and 'Democracy(which means Western democracy, not people's democracy or blahblahblah)' can't co-exist. Nowadays in europe, the term 'Socialism' is just empty word, as you can see at SDP's embracing Western democracy. Real-Socialism inevitably restrict human dignity and free-will, since socialism is an ideology which depends on governmental authority, like fascism. That's why european socialist parties renounced socialism, and made term 'socialism' just a conventional slogan. While Europe's Socialism means just expanding public welfare, DPK's socialists express their respect for DPRK's Juche-socialism and Chienese nationalistic socialism. This is the difference between Europe and Korea. UNDERSTAND? Now, If you agree with the fact that DPK has socialist politicians, i want to close this discussion. -- Sm5278 ( talk) 09:01, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
@
Sm5278:,
I think your very biased. Please read this article and rethink your opinion.
[1].
Also I want you to know that social democracy is just another type of socialism.(more moderate one)
Lastly there is no duty for me to answer your questions that have no relevant with article. Please read wikipedia policy. Your edits appear to constitute a clear
WP:POINTy behaviour. This will be my last message on this talk page. If you keep doing this behavior, I have no choice but to report you. Please read wikipedia policy better. Wikipedia is'nt a place to edit on your own view, but actually it is a place to edit with rational sources. If you want to know what is conisdered as reliable source in wikipedia please read
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Jeff6045 09:26, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
I fail to see, Jeff (and whoever else is changing things), how you are able to make such an unfounded and non-consensus claim (within political science) and then demand that nobody touches it or else that person is a vandal violating Wikipedia rules. That isn't how this works. You need to make an objective case backed by low bias sources, not opinions, that shows a reason to change a long standing consensus that has stayed the same for quite some time now. So, I will be removing any ideologies other than "Liberalism", "Social Liberalism", and "Korean Reunification", and I invite you to make your case here instead of trying to hold us hostage. This is not vandalism, this is the process for ensuring that Wikipedia does not spread misinformation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninja0428 ( talk • contribs) 16:09, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
@
Ninja0428:,
Fitstly I want to thank for your input. If my edit is against Wikipedia policy I'm willing to give up my revision immediately. I'm always open to wp users opinion and edit. However last claim that has been made by Sm5278 is clearly against WP policy. His behavior on this article is
WP:POINTy. He is keep uploading improper sources that make this article Semi-protected. I'm always open to your opinion and willing to discuss on this talk page abouy my edit. If you think I made mistake I want to apologize for you. Jeff6045 23:42, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
I've found a reliable work which had been supported by the Ministry of Education of the Republic of Korea and the National Research Foundation of Korea.
link
"After a series of economy‐first, right‐leaning governments, South Korea is experiencing an unexpected surge of social democracy‐oriented policy reform under the Moon Jae‐in administration. Considering that this country has no previous experience with socialism of any form (speaking of the southern half of the peninsula, of course), this is a trend that is worthy of attention."
"Several episodes show how the Moon administration has sought to demonstrate its new social‐democratic policy stance. An illustration of the distinctive stance that the president has taken towards labour was his highly symbolic meeting with atypical workers at Incheon International Airport in May 2017, one of his first official appointments after being elected."
As you can see, this work describes kim administration and roh adminisration, which have been considered as the conventional democratic governments, a liberal government. On the other hand, the paper analyzes DemGov of Nowadays in Korea as a social-democratic government and explain why those diffrences between Old-DemGov and New-DemGov have been occured. So i suggest that stating liberalism as a historical-ideology of DPK and Social-democracy as a modern-ideology of it will be a best choice.--
Sm5278 (
talk) 06:12, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Sm5278:, I'm getting tired of this. Do you even know that social democracy is based on liberal democracy and market economy? Also I think you hadn't read Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources yet. The source is just an opinion, it is not considered to be reliable in Wikipedia. Jeff6045 06:23, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
@
Jeff6045: Well, I am so sorry but The Political Quarterly, in which the work has been published, is a reliable British political academic journal founded in 1930. You must read this regulation.
Many Wikipedia articles rely on scholarly material. When available, academic and peer-reviewed publications, scholarly monographs, and textbooks are usually the most reliable sources.
I am so tired of your ideological-biasedness and illogical discussing stance. If you can't present the logical reason to refuse my source this time, the talk shall be closed.--
Sm5278 (
talk) 06:48, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles Also if there is dispute of input discussion is first thing to do before you edit article. Please read WP policy better. Jeff6045 07:01, 28 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff6045 ( talk • contribs)
@
Jeff6045: Defining the work's analysis a original research is your own view. The regulation don't serve for your arbitrary interpretation. Stating Moon administration as a Progressive-SocDem Gov is the widely embraced view.
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Sm5278 (
talk) 07:22, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Jeff6045: I'm so tired of your childness. You're just saying that the source which suits your taste is a reliable source, and which does not is a unreliable source or a original research. Wikipedia is not your personal blog. -- Sm5278 ( talk) 05:16, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
@
Sm5278:,
One of your sources is from blog. Blog is not considered reliable source in WP. Also I have already mentioned you that person's opinion is not reliable. It is just one academic journal's opinion. You may add the party is described as social democratic by one of foreign obsevers but it is not appropriate to add social democracy in party's ideology. Please see the article about
Left Bloc. The left bloc is not considered as far-left or extrimists by foriegn observer but in info-box the party's position is described as left-wing to far-left. Also
The Left (Germany) is not considered as far-left by
Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution but however the party includes far-left on its political spectrum. Wikipedia doesn't reflect people's or group's opinion. It only includes objective source from reliable media.
Please read
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. In addition if there is argument on subject it is first to discuss on talk page befor edit. Jeff6045 08:44, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
I have seen some inputs that the party has social democracy as ideoloy. However the party's leader Lee Hae-chan denied the party as being called as progressive pary. Actually he claims his party as a centre-right political party. [1] I haven't seen any of the party advocates social democracy but actually describing their party as centre-right. I have seen historical social democratic party such as Social Democratic Party (Portugal). (Historically the party persuits social democracy but now the party is major centre-right political party in portugal.) But I have never seen the party describe it self as social democratic but actually advocates centre-right politics. I think this can be very argumentative issue. Jeff6045 09:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
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The current darker blue color (as seen on Template:Democratic Party of Korea/meta/color) seems to be hard to distinguish from other blues used by other parties. According to the party's guidelines, a lighter blue color (#00A0E2) would be acceptable as well. There also exist several other intermediate colors which could potentially be chosen as stated on that webpage such as #0B7B93, #0B68B3, #0A529C, #008CCD, etc. Would anyone be in favor of shifting the color (even if temporarily) to the light blue one or any of the alternatives to avoid confusion? HapHaxion ( talk / contribs) 00:29, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
I think we should specify social conservatism in the infobox. In a number of social issues, including sexual minorities, the disabled and abortion, the party took a clear conservative view in Western political standards. (South Korea belongs to an advanced country.) I can't agree that it can't be used as a source unless the stance against homosexuality is directly stated as "social conservatism" in the first place. If the rules are applied in a doctrinal way, many party-related documents in Wikipedia, other than those in question, must be broken down. In particular, DPK is a party that advocates "social liberalism", so I think it is necessary to provide additional explanations.-- 삭은사과 ( talk) 12:27, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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The article you attached contained the arguments of only two members of the Democratic Party, but as I mentioned, some social conservative factions within the Democratic Party were also described in the pre-editing document.
You also claimed that the Democratic Party of Korea is a liberal conservative party, but the view that the Democratic Party is a conservative party is a banal repertoire of the South Korean leftists, so I recommend that you withdraw this claim. Denying that South Korea is a two-party system of liberal and conservative parties is pseudo-science.
You also deleted the Democratic Party's Left-wing nationalism faction, so I ask you to provide a rationale for this.-- 211.202.127.36 ( talk) 07:07, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
I have removed "Faction" on the ideology section. The infobox includes too much information. We don't need that much information on the infobox. Jeff6045 ( talk) 07:39, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
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El Partido de la Libertad de Corea (conservador) ha criticado al actual gobierno (del socio-liberal Partido Demócrata) por promover iniciativas en este ámbito.
The social-liberal Minjoo Party of Korea (MPK, Together Democratic Party) is the main opposition force.
South Korea's main opposition social-liberal party is reeling (again) from intraparty factional struggle. Rebranded earlier this week "the Minjoo Party of Korea" (formerly New Politics Alliance for Democracy), the party is searching for a new identity and direction after high profile and popular assemblyperson Ahn Cheol-soo defected on December 13.
The country now faces a snap presidential election on May 9th. After almost a decade of conservative rule, the ballot looks likely to be a victory for the more socially liberal Minjoo party: its support is the highest it has ever been, at 50%. Mr Moon, who led the party until January last year, has topped the polls for president for almost three months. The latest sounding puts his support at 35% in a crowded field.
The DPK is not a social democratic party, and several reliable sources refer to the party as "centre". Lee Jae-myung, who was elected as the current leader, has clashed with LGBT human rights groups over anti-discrimination laws and is not a particularly social progressive 2001:2D8:922:613B:651B:E237:1E93:1555 ( talk) 02:32, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
As long as the Republic of Korea is practically a two-party system of PPP and DPK, I think it is desirable to remove the political position as in the case of the Republican and Democratic parties in the United States. DPK is much more socially conservative than the Democratic Party of the United States, and it is meaningless to discuss the political position of the Big Tent party in the first place. Likewise, this should apply to the political position of PPP articles.-- 2001:2D8:922:613B:651B:E237:1E93:1555 ( talk) 03:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
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The South Korean President Moon Jae-in's centrist-liberal Democratic Party has also reflected and tactically deployed the considerable popular nationalist sentiment in South Korean society as he vowed in early August that in the escalating bilateral trade dispute the country would "never again lose to Japan".
The Minjoo Party: centre, socially liberal main opposition party, result of a 2014 merger between the Democratic Party and the New Political Vision Party, first party in the Parliament since August 2017
During South Korea's parliamentary election in mid-April, which was the world's first national election amid the pandemic, the ruling centrist Democratic Party of Korea (DPK), the centre-right Party for People's Livelihoods (PPL), the centre-left Justice Party (JP) and the left Green Party Korea (GPK) all made pledges around a "Green New Deal".
With most of national politics dominated by the centrist Democratic Party and the right-wing Liberty Korea Party (자유한국당), successor to the former governing Saenuri Party, there is little space for the Justice Party to find an opening for electoral success.
Her party, Saenuri, has also remained silent on the issue, in sharp contrast to centrist Minjoo Party [sic], which on Monday urged Seoul to look beyond politics and help its neighbor.
The conservative Liberty Korea Party (LKP), the main opposition to President Moon Jae-in and his centrist Democratic Party, made the announcement today
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South Korea's main opposition social-liberal party is reeling (again) from intraparty factional struggle. Rebranded earlier this week "the Minjoo Party of Korea" (formerly New Politics Alliance for Democracy), the party is searching for a new identity and direction after high profile and popular assemblyperson Ahn Cheol-soo defected on December 13.
The country now faces a snap presidential election on May 9th. After almost a decade of conservative rule, the ballot looks likely to be a victory for the more socially liberal Minjoo party: its support is the highest it has ever been, at 50%. Mr Moon, who led the party until January last year, has topped the polls for president for almost three months.
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The South Korean President Moon Jae-in's centrist-liberal Democratic Party has also reflected and tactically deployed the considerable popular nationalist sentiment in South Korean society as he vowed in early August that in the escalating bilateral trade dispute the country would "never again lose to Japan".
The Minjoo Party: centre, socially liberal main opposition party, result of a 2014 merger between the Democratic Party and the New Political Vision Party, first party in the Parliament since August 2017
During South Korea's parliamentary election in mid-April, which was the world's first national election amid the pandemic, the ruling centrist Democratic Party of Korea (DPK), the centre-right Party for People's Livelihoods (PPL), the centre-left Justice Party (JP) and the left Green Party Korea (GPK) all made pledges around a "Green New Deal".
With most of national politics dominated by the centrist Democratic Party and the right-wing Liberty Korea Party (자유한국당), successor to the former governing Saenuri Party, there is little space for the Justice Party to find an opening for electoral success.
Her party, Saenuri, has also remained silent on the issue, in sharp contrast to centrist Minjoo Party [sic], which on Monday urged Seoul to look beyond politics and help its neighbor.
The conservative Liberty Korea Party (LKP), the main opposition to President Moon Jae-in and his centrist Democratic Party, made the announcement today
Mr Moon, of the centre-left Democratic Party, unsuccessfully ran against Ms Park in 2012 elections.
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@ Mureungdowon Coming here per WP:BRD. Both of those labels are supported by sources and are mentioned in the article. Why does it make sense that one label is in the lede, while the other one is buried in the article? Also you reverted various copyedits made by me, please self revert those changes. :3 F4U ( they /it) 18:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
Dpk is not Social liberalism
Social liberalism is minor edit
Talk about this Lazt9312 ( talk) 01:52, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
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... At the same time, however, he belongs to the Catholic Church and holds some socially conservative views. When asked during a debate about the military's persecution of gay soldiers, Moon responded that he opposed homosexuality in general.
. Lazt9312 ( talk) 14:09, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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[또 `우클릭` 논란을 겪을 정도로 올해 안보행보를 보여온 김 대표의 가치관과 "경제는 진보, 안보는 보수"라고 주장해온 안 위원장의 지론이 결합해 `신당은 튼튼한 안보를 바탕으로 한반도 평화를 구축하고 통일을 지향한다`는 문구를 만들어냈다.] Error: {{Lang}}: text has italic markup ( help) —Source: 매경뉴스 (in Korean)
@ 180.230.243.143: See the part of your source (in Korean). And stop the vandalism, please. Thanks. -- Idh0854 ( talk) 15:25, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
@ 117.53.77.84: Stop the edit warring and see the part of your source, too. -- Idh0854 ( talk) 15:54, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
@ 117.53.77.84: The principles of centrist conservatism are not incompatible with those of centre-left. Also, stop the edit warring and join this talk. Thanks. -- Idh0854 ( talk) 14:04, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
@ 117.53.77.84: Aside from your removal of cited material, I don't really understand what you mean by your reference to the Democratic Party in your edit summary. "Centre", "centre-left" etc. are not American terms (in fact they're originally French), and centre-left parties can be very different in different countries. In any case, we follow the reliable sources in these descriptions, and I am confident that the vast majority of reliable sources refer to the Minjudang as a centre/centre-left party. I'm slightly confused since in the discussion above from 2 years ago, as far as I understand, you seem to have been arguing that this party is centre-left. — Nizolan (talk) 19:20, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move. General consensus to move ( non-admin closure). SSTflyer 03:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
The Minjoo Party of Korea →
Minjoo Party of Korea – Per
WP:DEFINITE and
WP:COMMONNAME as translation (irrespective of the party's official use of "The"). Contrary to
Sawol's reasoning, the vast majority of the English sources do not capitalise the "the"; see
this Google News search (and my analysis of the first 10 results as of 28 March 2016 below, and the following sources:
Bloomberg,
CBS,
ABC,
Yonhap (!),
Deutsche Welle,
BBC,
The Diplomat,
The Economist). —
Nizolan
(talk) 03:07, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
"Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources."You haven't cited any Wikipedia guidelines showing otherwise yet. — Nizolan (talk) 04:24, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Hangul | Romanization | Meaning | English | Note | Abbreviation | |
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더불어 | deobureo | together, along with, in company with | The | phonetic twins deo, the | 더 | The |
민주 | minju | democratic | Minjoo | 민주 | Minjoo | |
당 | dang | party | Party | |||
of Korea | supplementary information |
There doesn't appear to be any explanation of the party's political positions whatsoever. What do they stand for? 2601:182:C800:719F:D455:B489:6793:2EA0 ( talk) 03:24, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
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[Announcement] The Minjoo Party of Korea Announces Its New Official English Name: Democratic Party of Korea (DPK)[ [25]]
They officially changed their English name to "Democratic Party of Korea" on 19 October, 2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeitcH ( talk • contribs) 13:37, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) -- Dane talk 02:00, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
Minjoo Party of Korea →
Democratic Party of Korea – Reverted their official name after merging with
Minjoo Party (2014). Estas
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젠장, option이 안먹힐 줄 몰랐군. 00:12, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
The party is described as centrist or liberal by majority of reliable foreign media. The party can't have social democracy or liberal socialism as ideology. However some users are keep editing article with improper sources. The main reason that the article is semi-protected is to protect article frome those sources. The users who have different opinion on this issue is free to discuss about it. However do not add those sources with out specific discussion. Jeff6045 06:23, 27 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff6045 ( talk • contribs)
Well, I think I've already told you enough. Here is my last comment and you've never refuted this argument. "You must pay attention to the fact that all of my edits about the party's ideology were arranged on *Factions* sector. 1. If the party seeks to convert nation's identity from the LibDem to the value-neutral democracy, it can be considered as a proof that the several party members support SocDem(or even People's democracy) since removing liberty from the nation is the first step of their system remodeling. 2. As you know, the strength of Minister Cho-guk's political power at presidential majority party is an open secret. This fact implies that there are many faithful believers of Minister Cho who support their religious leader's socialism ideology, which can be also called *Liberal socialism* since minister Cho described himself a Liberal-Socialist. I hope this explanation helps you." If I have to say one more thing, I'll say that it is no surprise that DPK has such a radical socialist faction, since the party is partially based on the Natioanl Liberation group, whose purpose was a violent revolution which could lead korean nation to the Proletarian Dictatorship.-- Sm5278 ( talk) 07:06, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Sm5278:, Nope the party is described as centrist by majority of mainstream media. You'r opinion is completely biased and based on south korean's ultra-conservatives theory. Do not edit article due to your own view. I had already made refute on your sources. Also do not edit article with out any discussion. And please read article about Liberalism in South Korea. The party is not social-democratic or liberal socialist. The party is centrist liberal political party. I'm going to do whatever I can do to protect the article from unnecessary sources. Jeff6045 07:28, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Jeff6045:, I think you're quiet young, Right? It is an untouchable fact that DPK's historical origin can be traced by checking two existed revolutionary group of south korea. First, there was the 'National Liberation' group, who followed DPRK's Jucheism. And the other was the 'People's Democracy' group, who followed the international socialism of Soviet union. Of course they had collapsed after the fall of berlin wall, but they found a means of escape in the coalition with kim dae-jung, former president of ROK. That was the begining of DPK's leftists group. Understand? Of course there are liberal politicians in DPK, but what I want to say is that there are also socialist politicians in DPK. Foreign observers can't catch everthing. Korean know Korea best. Please check this article. Check -- Sm5278 ( talk) 07:58, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I'm young man in south korea. But I know radical anti-comminist stances porduced by far-right Liberty korea party. I think you have very big mistake on your understanding on the party. I just want to ask one simple question. In Spain the rulling government party is Spanish Socialist Workers' Party, also in portugal, rulling Socialist Party (Portugal) has made government with support of Unitary Democratic Coalition. In your view these two governments are communist regime that follows North korea? Jeff6045 08:20, 27 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff6045 ( talk • contribs)
@ Jeff6045:, Well, I think that's out of point, but if you want my answer, I'll say that european parties which call themselves a socialist party, are no more socialists. But you know what? Social Democratic Party of Germany, which is one of the famous 'Self-calling socialist party of Europe', had followed Marxism and refused parliamentary politics at 19th ceuntry. You must knows that 'Socialism' and 'Democracy(which means Western democracy, not people's democracy or blahblahblah)' can't co-exist. Nowadays in europe, the term 'Socialism' is just empty word, as you can see at SDP's embracing Western democracy. Real-Socialism inevitably restrict human dignity and free-will, since socialism is an ideology which depends on governmental authority, like fascism. That's why european socialist parties renounced socialism, and made term 'socialism' just a conventional slogan. While Europe's Socialism means just expanding public welfare, DPK's socialists express their respect for DPRK's Juche-socialism and Chienese nationalistic socialism. This is the difference between Europe and Korea. UNDERSTAND? Now, If you agree with the fact that DPK has socialist politicians, i want to close this discussion. -- Sm5278 ( talk) 09:01, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
@
Sm5278:,
I think your very biased. Please read this article and rethink your opinion.
[1].
Also I want you to know that social democracy is just another type of socialism.(more moderate one)
Lastly there is no duty for me to answer your questions that have no relevant with article. Please read wikipedia policy. Your edits appear to constitute a clear
WP:POINTy behaviour. This will be my last message on this talk page. If you keep doing this behavior, I have no choice but to report you. Please read wikipedia policy better. Wikipedia is'nt a place to edit on your own view, but actually it is a place to edit with rational sources. If you want to know what is conisdered as reliable source in wikipedia please read
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Jeff6045 09:26, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
I fail to see, Jeff (and whoever else is changing things), how you are able to make such an unfounded and non-consensus claim (within political science) and then demand that nobody touches it or else that person is a vandal violating Wikipedia rules. That isn't how this works. You need to make an objective case backed by low bias sources, not opinions, that shows a reason to change a long standing consensus that has stayed the same for quite some time now. So, I will be removing any ideologies other than "Liberalism", "Social Liberalism", and "Korean Reunification", and I invite you to make your case here instead of trying to hold us hostage. This is not vandalism, this is the process for ensuring that Wikipedia does not spread misinformation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninja0428 ( talk • contribs) 16:09, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
@
Ninja0428:,
Fitstly I want to thank for your input. If my edit is against Wikipedia policy I'm willing to give up my revision immediately. I'm always open to wp users opinion and edit. However last claim that has been made by Sm5278 is clearly against WP policy. His behavior on this article is
WP:POINTy. He is keep uploading improper sources that make this article Semi-protected. I'm always open to your opinion and willing to discuss on this talk page abouy my edit. If you think I made mistake I want to apologize for you. Jeff6045 23:42, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
I've found a reliable work which had been supported by the Ministry of Education of the Republic of Korea and the National Research Foundation of Korea.
link
"After a series of economy‐first, right‐leaning governments, South Korea is experiencing an unexpected surge of social democracy‐oriented policy reform under the Moon Jae‐in administration. Considering that this country has no previous experience with socialism of any form (speaking of the southern half of the peninsula, of course), this is a trend that is worthy of attention."
"Several episodes show how the Moon administration has sought to demonstrate its new social‐democratic policy stance. An illustration of the distinctive stance that the president has taken towards labour was his highly symbolic meeting with atypical workers at Incheon International Airport in May 2017, one of his first official appointments after being elected."
As you can see, this work describes kim administration and roh adminisration, which have been considered as the conventional democratic governments, a liberal government. On the other hand, the paper analyzes DemGov of Nowadays in Korea as a social-democratic government and explain why those diffrences between Old-DemGov and New-DemGov have been occured. So i suggest that stating liberalism as a historical-ideology of DPK and Social-democracy as a modern-ideology of it will be a best choice.--
Sm5278 (
talk) 06:12, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Sm5278:, I'm getting tired of this. Do you even know that social democracy is based on liberal democracy and market economy? Also I think you hadn't read Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources yet. The source is just an opinion, it is not considered to be reliable in Wikipedia. Jeff6045 06:23, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
@
Jeff6045: Well, I am so sorry but The Political Quarterly, in which the work has been published, is a reliable British political academic journal founded in 1930. You must read this regulation.
Many Wikipedia articles rely on scholarly material. When available, academic and peer-reviewed publications, scholarly monographs, and textbooks are usually the most reliable sources.
I am so tired of your ideological-biasedness and illogical discussing stance. If you can't present the logical reason to refuse my source this time, the talk shall be closed.--
Sm5278 (
talk) 06:48, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles Also if there is dispute of input discussion is first thing to do before you edit article. Please read WP policy better. Jeff6045 07:01, 28 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff6045 ( talk • contribs)
@
Jeff6045: Defining the work's analysis a original research is your own view. The regulation don't serve for your arbitrary interpretation. Stating Moon administration as a Progressive-SocDem Gov is the widely embraced view.
Link1
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Sm5278 (
talk) 07:22, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Jeff6045: I'm so tired of your childness. You're just saying that the source which suits your taste is a reliable source, and which does not is a unreliable source or a original research. Wikipedia is not your personal blog. -- Sm5278 ( talk) 05:16, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
@
Sm5278:,
One of your sources is from blog. Blog is not considered reliable source in WP. Also I have already mentioned you that person's opinion is not reliable. It is just one academic journal's opinion. You may add the party is described as social democratic by one of foreign obsevers but it is not appropriate to add social democracy in party's ideology. Please see the article about
Left Bloc. The left bloc is not considered as far-left or extrimists by foriegn observer but in info-box the party's position is described as left-wing to far-left. Also
The Left (Germany) is not considered as far-left by
Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution but however the party includes far-left on its political spectrum. Wikipedia doesn't reflect people's or group's opinion. It only includes objective source from reliable media.
Please read
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. In addition if there is argument on subject it is first to discuss on talk page befor edit. Jeff6045 08:44, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
I have seen some inputs that the party has social democracy as ideoloy. However the party's leader Lee Hae-chan denied the party as being called as progressive pary. Actually he claims his party as a centre-right political party. [1] I haven't seen any of the party advocates social democracy but actually describing their party as centre-right. I have seen historical social democratic party such as Social Democratic Party (Portugal). (Historically the party persuits social democracy but now the party is major centre-right political party in portugal.) But I have never seen the party describe it self as social democratic but actually advocates centre-right politics. I think this can be very argumentative issue. Jeff6045 09:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
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The current darker blue color (as seen on Template:Democratic Party of Korea/meta/color) seems to be hard to distinguish from other blues used by other parties. According to the party's guidelines, a lighter blue color (#00A0E2) would be acceptable as well. There also exist several other intermediate colors which could potentially be chosen as stated on that webpage such as #0B7B93, #0B68B3, #0A529C, #008CCD, etc. Would anyone be in favor of shifting the color (even if temporarily) to the light blue one or any of the alternatives to avoid confusion? HapHaxion ( talk / contribs) 00:29, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
I think we should specify social conservatism in the infobox. In a number of social issues, including sexual minorities, the disabled and abortion, the party took a clear conservative view in Western political standards. (South Korea belongs to an advanced country.) I can't agree that it can't be used as a source unless the stance against homosexuality is directly stated as "social conservatism" in the first place. If the rules are applied in a doctrinal way, many party-related documents in Wikipedia, other than those in question, must be broken down. In particular, DPK is a party that advocates "social liberalism", so I think it is necessary to provide additional explanations.-- 삭은사과 ( talk) 12:27, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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The article you attached contained the arguments of only two members of the Democratic Party, but as I mentioned, some social conservative factions within the Democratic Party were also described in the pre-editing document.
You also claimed that the Democratic Party of Korea is a liberal conservative party, but the view that the Democratic Party is a conservative party is a banal repertoire of the South Korean leftists, so I recommend that you withdraw this claim. Denying that South Korea is a two-party system of liberal and conservative parties is pseudo-science.
You also deleted the Democratic Party's Left-wing nationalism faction, so I ask you to provide a rationale for this.-- 211.202.127.36 ( talk) 07:07, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
I have removed "Faction" on the ideology section. The infobox includes too much information. We don't need that much information on the infobox. Jeff6045 ( talk) 07:39, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
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El Partido de la Libertad de Corea (conservador) ha criticado al actual gobierno (del socio-liberal Partido Demócrata) por promover iniciativas en este ámbito.
The social-liberal Minjoo Party of Korea (MPK, Together Democratic Party) is the main opposition force.
South Korea's main opposition social-liberal party is reeling (again) from intraparty factional struggle. Rebranded earlier this week "the Minjoo Party of Korea" (formerly New Politics Alliance for Democracy), the party is searching for a new identity and direction after high profile and popular assemblyperson Ahn Cheol-soo defected on December 13.
The country now faces a snap presidential election on May 9th. After almost a decade of conservative rule, the ballot looks likely to be a victory for the more socially liberal Minjoo party: its support is the highest it has ever been, at 50%. Mr Moon, who led the party until January last year, has topped the polls for president for almost three months. The latest sounding puts his support at 35% in a crowded field.
The DPK is not a social democratic party, and several reliable sources refer to the party as "centre". Lee Jae-myung, who was elected as the current leader, has clashed with LGBT human rights groups over anti-discrimination laws and is not a particularly social progressive 2001:2D8:922:613B:651B:E237:1E93:1555 ( talk) 02:32, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
As long as the Republic of Korea is practically a two-party system of PPP and DPK, I think it is desirable to remove the political position as in the case of the Republican and Democratic parties in the United States. DPK is much more socially conservative than the Democratic Party of the United States, and it is meaningless to discuss the political position of the Big Tent party in the first place. Likewise, this should apply to the political position of PPP articles.-- 2001:2D8:922:613B:651B:E237:1E93:1555 ( talk) 03:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
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The South Korean President Moon Jae-in's centrist-liberal Democratic Party has also reflected and tactically deployed the considerable popular nationalist sentiment in South Korean society as he vowed in early August that in the escalating bilateral trade dispute the country would "never again lose to Japan".
The Minjoo Party: centre, socially liberal main opposition party, result of a 2014 merger between the Democratic Party and the New Political Vision Party, first party in the Parliament since August 2017
During South Korea's parliamentary election in mid-April, which was the world's first national election amid the pandemic, the ruling centrist Democratic Party of Korea (DPK), the centre-right Party for People's Livelihoods (PPL), the centre-left Justice Party (JP) and the left Green Party Korea (GPK) all made pledges around a "Green New Deal".
With most of national politics dominated by the centrist Democratic Party and the right-wing Liberty Korea Party (자유한국당), successor to the former governing Saenuri Party, there is little space for the Justice Party to find an opening for electoral success.
Her party, Saenuri, has also remained silent on the issue, in sharp contrast to centrist Minjoo Party [sic], which on Monday urged Seoul to look beyond politics and help its neighbor.
The conservative Liberty Korea Party (LKP), the main opposition to President Moon Jae-in and his centrist Democratic Party, made the announcement today
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The social-liberal Minjoo Party of Korea (MPK, Together Democratic Party) is the main opposition force.
South Korea's main opposition social-liberal party is reeling (again) from intraparty factional struggle. Rebranded earlier this week "the Minjoo Party of Korea" (formerly New Politics Alliance for Democracy), the party is searching for a new identity and direction after high profile and popular assemblyperson Ahn Cheol-soo defected on December 13.
The country now faces a snap presidential election on May 9th. After almost a decade of conservative rule, the ballot looks likely to be a victory for the more socially liberal Minjoo party: its support is the highest it has ever been, at 50%. Mr Moon, who led the party until January last year, has topped the polls for president for almost three months.
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Democratic Party of Korea (DP), Korean Daeburo Minjudang, centrist-liberal political party in South Korea.
The South Korean President Moon Jae-in's centrist-liberal Democratic Party has also reflected and tactically deployed the considerable popular nationalist sentiment in South Korean society as he vowed in early August that in the escalating bilateral trade dispute the country would "never again lose to Japan".
The Minjoo Party: centre, socially liberal main opposition party, result of a 2014 merger between the Democratic Party and the New Political Vision Party, first party in the Parliament since August 2017
During South Korea's parliamentary election in mid-April, which was the world's first national election amid the pandemic, the ruling centrist Democratic Party of Korea (DPK), the centre-right Party for People's Livelihoods (PPL), the centre-left Justice Party (JP) and the left Green Party Korea (GPK) all made pledges around a "Green New Deal".
With most of national politics dominated by the centrist Democratic Party and the right-wing Liberty Korea Party (자유한국당), successor to the former governing Saenuri Party, there is little space for the Justice Party to find an opening for electoral success.
Her party, Saenuri, has also remained silent on the issue, in sharp contrast to centrist Minjoo Party [sic], which on Monday urged Seoul to look beyond politics and help its neighbor.
The conservative Liberty Korea Party (LKP), the main opposition to President Moon Jae-in and his centrist Democratic Party, made the announcement today
Mr Moon, of the centre-left Democratic Party, unsuccessfully ran against Ms Park in 2012 elections.
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@ Mureungdowon Coming here per WP:BRD. Both of those labels are supported by sources and are mentioned in the article. Why does it make sense that one label is in the lede, while the other one is buried in the article? Also you reverted various copyedits made by me, please self revert those changes. :3 F4U ( they /it) 18:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
Dpk is not Social liberalism
Social liberalism is minor edit
Talk about this Lazt9312 ( talk) 01:52, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
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... At the same time, however, he belongs to the Catholic Church and holds some socially conservative views. When asked during a debate about the military's persecution of gay soldiers, Moon responded that he opposed homosexuality in general.
. Lazt9312 ( talk) 14:09, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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