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Why don't the American political parties have "political position" as a category in their info boxes? Like where it would say "center-left"? Almost all wiki pages about political parties in other countries have this category. 150.108.240.134 ( talk) 22:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
I think its REALLY REALLY important for a political party to state their political position! the Democrats are centre-left and it needs to be stated just like the Republicans being centre-right/right-wing. or is it different over there in the states? cause almost every party here on Wikipedia has clearly stated their political position except maybe for the CCP but duhh thats expected. requesting the admins to take necessary actions. Credmaster 20 ( talk) 07:45, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
It's been pointed out that the Washington DC mayor's wikinote, should not be included with the state governors and/or territorial governors in the infobox. GoodDay ( talk) 23:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
The page currently has Democratic socialism as an ideology of the party, which I personally disagree with but I understand that Wikipedia:No original research exists for a reason and that the term is much more frequently used in American discourse than Social democracy, which had previously been included in the wikibox previously.
However, the sources cited for the former ideology largely use the term Progressivism to describe the left flank of the Democratic Party and never mention either "social democracy" or "democratic socialism."
The other source from the New Yorker uses both of the latter terms, claiming that while Bernie Sanders calls himself a "democratic socialist," he would be more reasonably described as a "social democrat." This could be used as evidence for the party having a social democratic faction around Bernie Sanders but more sources should probably be necessary for such a high-profile page.
So, either there needs to be citations to multiple sources that actually characterize the party as having a significant 'democratic socialist' faction, as having a significant 'social democratic' faction or of both.
Alternatively, the labels "democratic socialism" or "social democracy" could be removed from the ideology section of the page entirely because "progressivism" already covers, both in many sources and by self-identification, most of the party members/politicians that could be classified as either or both of the former two categories.
Thoughts? Enderdragonpig ( talk) 23:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
There should be some mention of the effects of Democratic Party ideology: - High Taxes - High cost of living - Increased crime - Higher numbers of homeless people - Open border These are just a few, but they merit mention TopShelf99 ( talk) 12:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
The Democratic Party is much less supportive towards Israel than the Republicans. דולב חולב ( talk) 03:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
But why aren’t you adding the Progressive Alliance as an international affiliation? דולב חולב ( talk) 03:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
See section Democratic Party (United States)#Conservatives
A conservative Democrat is a member of the Democratic Party with more conservative views than most Democrats. Until the 2010s, the Democratic Party had a large conservative element, mostly from the South and Border regions. [2] Their numbers declined sharply as the Republican Party built up its Southern base. [3]
After the 1994 Republican Revolution, the Blue Dog Coalition was formed as a caucus of conservatives and centrists willing to broker compromises with the Republican leadership. The Blue Dog Coalition has at times acted as a unified voting bloc, giving its members some ability to influence legislation. [2]
References
Since the New Deal, the Democrats have broadly represented the centre-left of American opinion and often exercised enormous influence over social-democratic parties in Europe.
Four years ago, they were the most influential voting bloc on Capitol Hill, more than 50 House Democrats pulling their liberal colleagues to a more centrist, fiscally conservative vision on issues such as health care and Wall Street reforms.
In 1981 Republicans took control of the Senate for the first time since 1953, but most Southern elected officials remained white Democrats. When Republicans took control of the House in 1995, white Democrats still comprised one-third of the South's tally. ... white Southern Democrats have met their Appomattox: they will account for just 24 of the South's 155 senators and congressmen in the 112th United States Congress.
The longstanding version omits this and it seems there is no consensus supporting mention of this ideology in the infobox. While I would agree conservatism in the democratic party is well documented historically, I also agree with Toa that it seems misleading to keep it in the infobox, especially in 2024. It's coverage in the article does not appear substantial enough to warrant it's inclusion there at this time IMO. DN ( talk) 03:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Also see Conservative Democrat section "2000–present"... "The Blue Dog Coalition was reduced to eight members, the lowest number in its history. In 2023, Joe Manchin, described as the most conservative Democratic senator in the nation, announced he would not seek re-election in 2024 United States Senate election in West Virginia|2024... DN ( talk) 04:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
I believe that 'centre to centre-left' is a fair and unbiased position. There are many sources which mention both centrist and centre-left ideologies in the Democratic Party. Any other position is very rare to be supported by a party member. Andrijator ( talk) 10:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
See for example,"Liberalism and Modernity" in The Age of Ideology: Political Ideologies from the American Revolution to Postmodern Times (John Schwarzmantel NYU Press, 1998), p. 68: "Liberalism,in its broadest sense, was a philosophy or set of ideas that gave primacy to the idea of individual freedom, the freedom of the individual as the supreme social unit, untrammelled by interference from the state, other individuals or society as a whole." Conservatism is described as either "to deny modernity and return to a premodern society" or a "criticism of modernity and its features." (p. 64) Premodern means before 1500.
So there's a book from a U.S. academic publisher using the same terminology as people outside the U.S. The debate in the U.S. is not about whether or not to accept liberal principles, but how they should be applied. The term conservative entered usage when FDR used the term to defame his opponents.
TFD ( talk) 16:02, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Opening a new discussion on the political position of the Democratic Party. I am aware this has been discussed at length before. Maybe opinions have changed. I am opening this discussion as a consensus was reached on the Republican Party page to add a position! What are the communities thoughts? Can we reach a consensus now? Completely Random Guy ( talk) 22:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
This article is in American English. The article is for an American political party. Adding a disclaimer of "American" on political ideologies is nonsensical. Anyone reading this article understands this is American - a piped link is more than sufficient, especially putting WP:ENGVAR into consideration. Toa Nidhiki05 05:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
As a result of CPC being a dominant faction of the democratic party, shouldn't Progressivism be in the Majority section when it comes to ideology? The New democrats and CPC also has about the same number of seats in the house of representatives so both should be represented Guotaian ( talk) 21:13, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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Frequently asked questions Q1: Should the Democratic Party's ideology be labeled on the political spectrum in the infobox?
A1: The consensus among editors is that the Democratic Party is a
big tent party, encompassing ideologies including but not limited to
centrism,
social liberalism,
progressivism, and
social democracy. Due to the range of ideological positions among its members, it is not characterized in the infobox as a centrist,
center-left, or
left-wing political party. |
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Why don't the American political parties have "political position" as a category in their info boxes? Like where it would say "center-left"? Almost all wiki pages about political parties in other countries have this category. 150.108.240.134 ( talk) 22:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
I think its REALLY REALLY important for a political party to state their political position! the Democrats are centre-left and it needs to be stated just like the Republicans being centre-right/right-wing. or is it different over there in the states? cause almost every party here on Wikipedia has clearly stated their political position except maybe for the CCP but duhh thats expected. requesting the admins to take necessary actions. Credmaster 20 ( talk) 07:45, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
It's been pointed out that the Washington DC mayor's wikinote, should not be included with the state governors and/or territorial governors in the infobox. GoodDay ( talk) 23:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
The page currently has Democratic socialism as an ideology of the party, which I personally disagree with but I understand that Wikipedia:No original research exists for a reason and that the term is much more frequently used in American discourse than Social democracy, which had previously been included in the wikibox previously.
However, the sources cited for the former ideology largely use the term Progressivism to describe the left flank of the Democratic Party and never mention either "social democracy" or "democratic socialism."
The other source from the New Yorker uses both of the latter terms, claiming that while Bernie Sanders calls himself a "democratic socialist," he would be more reasonably described as a "social democrat." This could be used as evidence for the party having a social democratic faction around Bernie Sanders but more sources should probably be necessary for such a high-profile page.
So, either there needs to be citations to multiple sources that actually characterize the party as having a significant 'democratic socialist' faction, as having a significant 'social democratic' faction or of both.
Alternatively, the labels "democratic socialism" or "social democracy" could be removed from the ideology section of the page entirely because "progressivism" already covers, both in many sources and by self-identification, most of the party members/politicians that could be classified as either or both of the former two categories.
Thoughts? Enderdragonpig ( talk) 23:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
There should be some mention of the effects of Democratic Party ideology: - High Taxes - High cost of living - Increased crime - Higher numbers of homeless people - Open border These are just a few, but they merit mention TopShelf99 ( talk) 12:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
The Democratic Party is much less supportive towards Israel than the Republicans. דולב חולב ( talk) 03:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
But why aren’t you adding the Progressive Alliance as an international affiliation? דולב חולב ( talk) 03:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
See section Democratic Party (United States)#Conservatives
A conservative Democrat is a member of the Democratic Party with more conservative views than most Democrats. Until the 2010s, the Democratic Party had a large conservative element, mostly from the South and Border regions. [2] Their numbers declined sharply as the Republican Party built up its Southern base. [3]
After the 1994 Republican Revolution, the Blue Dog Coalition was formed as a caucus of conservatives and centrists willing to broker compromises with the Republican leadership. The Blue Dog Coalition has at times acted as a unified voting bloc, giving its members some ability to influence legislation. [2]
References
Since the New Deal, the Democrats have broadly represented the centre-left of American opinion and often exercised enormous influence over social-democratic parties in Europe.
Four years ago, they were the most influential voting bloc on Capitol Hill, more than 50 House Democrats pulling their liberal colleagues to a more centrist, fiscally conservative vision on issues such as health care and Wall Street reforms.
In 1981 Republicans took control of the Senate for the first time since 1953, but most Southern elected officials remained white Democrats. When Republicans took control of the House in 1995, white Democrats still comprised one-third of the South's tally. ... white Southern Democrats have met their Appomattox: they will account for just 24 of the South's 155 senators and congressmen in the 112th United States Congress.
The longstanding version omits this and it seems there is no consensus supporting mention of this ideology in the infobox. While I would agree conservatism in the democratic party is well documented historically, I also agree with Toa that it seems misleading to keep it in the infobox, especially in 2024. It's coverage in the article does not appear substantial enough to warrant it's inclusion there at this time IMO. DN ( talk) 03:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Also see Conservative Democrat section "2000–present"... "The Blue Dog Coalition was reduced to eight members, the lowest number in its history. In 2023, Joe Manchin, described as the most conservative Democratic senator in the nation, announced he would not seek re-election in 2024 United States Senate election in West Virginia|2024... DN ( talk) 04:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
I believe that 'centre to centre-left' is a fair and unbiased position. There are many sources which mention both centrist and centre-left ideologies in the Democratic Party. Any other position is very rare to be supported by a party member. Andrijator ( talk) 10:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
See for example,"Liberalism and Modernity" in The Age of Ideology: Political Ideologies from the American Revolution to Postmodern Times (John Schwarzmantel NYU Press, 1998), p. 68: "Liberalism,in its broadest sense, was a philosophy or set of ideas that gave primacy to the idea of individual freedom, the freedom of the individual as the supreme social unit, untrammelled by interference from the state, other individuals or society as a whole." Conservatism is described as either "to deny modernity and return to a premodern society" or a "criticism of modernity and its features." (p. 64) Premodern means before 1500.
So there's a book from a U.S. academic publisher using the same terminology as people outside the U.S. The debate in the U.S. is not about whether or not to accept liberal principles, but how they should be applied. The term conservative entered usage when FDR used the term to defame his opponents.
TFD ( talk) 16:02, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Opening a new discussion on the political position of the Democratic Party. I am aware this has been discussed at length before. Maybe opinions have changed. I am opening this discussion as a consensus was reached on the Republican Party page to add a position! What are the communities thoughts? Can we reach a consensus now? Completely Random Guy ( talk) 22:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
This article is in American English. The article is for an American political party. Adding a disclaimer of "American" on political ideologies is nonsensical. Anyone reading this article understands this is American - a piped link is more than sufficient, especially putting WP:ENGVAR into consideration. Toa Nidhiki05 05:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
As a result of CPC being a dominant faction of the democratic party, shouldn't Progressivism be in the Majority section when it comes to ideology? The New democrats and CPC also has about the same number of seats in the house of representatives so both should be represented Guotaian ( talk) 21:13, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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