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This article contains the same information as Delta Air Lines word for word and looks like all of the information has been copied from that one article. All of the info in this article can be found at Delta Air Lines Spikydan1 ( talk) 14:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm wondering if we should include the fleet Delta uses for regional air travel. Dan ( talk) 17:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm wondering if there should be a new table for the Northwest Airlines aircraft that are painted in Delta livery?
eg. Northwest in Delta colours
Something seperate under Northwest Airlines Fleet. Zaps93 ( talk) 19:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I have been wondering why there is a seperate fleet page when the information is shown on the airline articles. I then realised it's because it's showing the fleet of the soon to be big Delta. What I was wondering is wether this article be deleted once the airlines have actually merged as it would not need a seperate article. Your opinions? Zaps93 ( talk) 20:55, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Ishwasafish click here!!!
21:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)Is DL not painting the DC9-30's and -40's, or are they flat-out retiring them? Is there a source for this?
Ishwasafish click here!!!
14:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm having a hard time finding where routes and IFE are not part of WP:AIRLINES. Now I can see where IFE could be considered not important but Routes are on every page discussing how fleet pages should look ( Ref 1, Ref 2). This message is mainly aimed at zaps93 but intended for everyone. Also, if we're gonna eliminate Delta's premerger fleet, we should eliminate it from NWRP and Delta retired. Dan ( talk) 17:33, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Is it time to combine the fleets on this article. The pre-merger Northwest fleet is saved on the Northwest Airlines article. Delta will be taking delivery on it's first aircraft since the merger. And, as with the 1960, 1970, 1980, 1990, and 2000 fleets, one for 2010 can be added with a note that it is the pre-merger Delta fleet. Eventually, these to fleets will have to combine. Dan ( talk) 10:38, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone know when the 5 A319s and 2 A320s that Delta currently has on order will be delivered? Could the delay in delivery of these aircraft be due to the NW/DL merger? -- 98.250.92.159 ( talk) 15:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Okay. Yea, I have also seen on airliners.net some people saying things like DL would never place any more orders for Airbus aircraft. -- 98.250.92.159 ( talk) 02:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
If you look at the row with information about the Boeing 787-8, you will see that under the seating capacity column that it will say that the 787-8 for DL will have 202 seats in a 48/154 configuration. That seems like quite a small seating capacity, given that Boeing states that the 787-8 will seat between 210 and 250 passengers. Does anyone know if that's the correct configuration? The article about CO says that their 787-8s will seat 228 passengers in a 36/192 configuration. Perhaps there was a typo, and maybe the DL 787-8 will actually have a 48/174 (222 seat) configuration, or something like that? -- 98.250.92.159 ( talk) 02:06, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Update: I changed the seating capacity to 221 with 36 First class and 185 Economy class seats. There was a thread on A.net about the NW 787-8s, and it was stated on there that they would have that configuration. Here is the link:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/3053020/. I know that it is from 2006, but it is more realistic to order 788s with 221 seats as opposed to 202.
98.250.92.159 (
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03:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
The fleet section on Delta's website is out of date, specifically in regards to Economy Comfort mods and the number of aircraft in Delta's fleet.
747 - Delta's website says that there are 338 Y seats, but the Economy Comfort mods have been completed on these aircraft. One row of Y was removed, which reduces the count by 10 seats. The new Y seat count is 328. The current 747 config is: 393 (65/328).
757-200 - There are 48 75X (ex-Song) planes in the fleet. That's how many there were when Delta folded Song back into mainline Delta, and that's how many there still are. None have been parked, and no additional 757s have been modified to the 75X configuration. Additionally, the count of planes in the 757/75U configuration as of January 1, 2011 is 60. I can provide the ship numbers and/or registration numbers to back this up.
767-300ER - Several things to mention here:
76G - There are 7 of these in the fleet. 6 of them are ex-Gulf Air and one was originally built for Continental. They never took it, so Delta did. This is ship 1521. Perhaps the name of this configuration should be changed from "Ex-Gulf Air (76G)" to something else to reflect the fact that not all of these planes are actually ex-Gulf Air.
Business Elite Seats - Delta's website lists the number of BE seats as one less than the actual count because on 8+ hour flights, one BE seat is used for pilot rest. On flights less than 8 hours (and these planes do often operate flights less than 8 hours), Delta will sell all of the BE seats. Additionally, the 76T subfleet, used on flights greater than 12 hours is not even listed on Delta's website. These planes have 34 BE seats, and always do, no matter the length of the flight. In the space where 1C and 1E (2 seats) are typically located, there is a hard wall rest facility for the pilots.
Here's a summary of the 767-300ER configurations:
76L/76U | 44 in the fleet | 217 (36/181) *Only 35 BE seats are sold on flights greater than 8 hours. |
76T | 7 in the fleet | 215 (34/181) *34 BE seats are sold on flights greater than 8 hours. |
76G | 7 in the fleet | 215 (30/185) *Only 29 BE seats are sold on flights greater than 8 hours. |
Note:
Economy Comfort mods are underway on the 767-300ERs. On the 76L/U/T, one row is being removed for a Y seat count of 174. Eventually, when these planes receive lie-flat first class seats, the Y seat count will change again, but until those mods occur, the post-EC mod Y seat count will be 174. I do not know how many planes have received this mod, but this should probably be referenced in the article. Skidv25 ( talk) 02:26, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
I was thinking we might add a section with special liveries. They are already included in the notes but we could take them out and put them in a table. Example:
Registration | Livery | Aircraft |
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N3765 | SkyTeam | Boeing 737-800 |
N659DL | SkyTeam | Boeing 757-200 |
N705TW | SkyTeam | Boeing 757-200 |
N717TW | SkyTeam | Boeing 757-200 |
N722TW | SkyTeam | Boeing 757-200 |
N171DZ | Habitat for Humanity | Boeing 767-300ER |
N175DZ | SkyTeam | Boeing 767-300ER |
N841MH | American Cancer Society | Boeing 767-400ER |
N844MH | SkyTeam | Boeing 767-400ER |
N845MH | Breast Cancer Research Foundation | Boeing 767-400ER |
N701DN | "The Delta Spirit" | Boeing 777-200LR |
N702DN | "The Spirit of Atlanta" | Boeing 777-200LR |
We could also just list the SkyTeam liveries separate which also I would like to point out that I have not seen any photos of N705TW or N722TW in SkyTeam livery but listed it since it was already added in the fleet page. redlegsfan21 ( talk) 02:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I have formatted the current fleet table. I have also corrected the In service fleet for two aircraft types, removed the note All aircraft with wiglets for 737-700 and 737-800 as all next generation 737s come with wiglets, removed the column code as aircraft codes are universal and are unnecessary in an airlines fleet table and replaced redirects to direct links. I do not know how far the column IFE is relevant, but have retained it. Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks, — Abhishek Talk to me 18:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
The fleet table is only meant to list the different aircraft that an airline operates along with the seat configuration for each type. To mention how these are used on routes is not worthy at all and doing so will make it look like a travel guide and wikipedia is not a travle guide. Besides the organisation of the table was done per the project standards. Go through Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Layout (Airlines) for more.— Abhishek Talk 11:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
The article list the fleets of PMDL and PMNW every 10 years. That means that 2010 would also need to be listed to continue the pattern. However, since the 2010 fleet is, obviously, post-merger, I don't think it belongs in either the PMDL or the PMNW sections. Does anyone have any input on where to place the 2010 fleet table in the article? (BTW, the 2010 fleet can be found in Delta's 2010 Annual Report, located here: http://images.delta.com.edgesuite.net/delta/pdfs/annual_reports/2010_10K.pdf) Skidv25 ( talk) 03:30, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Delta has announced that also all domestic aircraft will be reconfigured to include economy comfort seats.
[1]
How should this be included in the table, without destroying the whole table?
Here are the new configs:
DC-9-50: 16/109 (124) --> 16/14/ 90 (120)
MD-88: 16/133 (149) --> 16/15/118 (149) (MD-88 are now being reconfigured from 14/128 (142) into 16/133)
MD-90: 16/144 (160) --> 12/15/134 (161)
737-700: 12/112 (124) --> 12/18/ 88 (118)
737-800: 16/144 (160) --> 16/18/126 (160)
A319: 12/114 (126) --> 12/18/102 (132)
A320: 16/132 (148) --> 12/18/120 (150)
757-200: several configs, but with 18-26 EC seats
757-300: 24/200 (224) --> 24/23/177 (224)
767-300: 30/231 (261) --> 30/28/203 (261)
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What do you mean by "75J" and "75M?" Which version of the 757 are you referring to? — Comp dude 123 16:11, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Looking at the Delta website, some number of aircraft don't match with the table.
Delta website: B757-200: 167 aircraft, according to table: 165 including stored --> has the phasing out already begun?
Delta website: B767-300ER: 58 aircraft, according to table: 59 including stored --> seems like an error?
Delta website: B747-400: 15 aircraft, according to table: 16 including stored --> has the phasing out already begun?
Does anybody have info on these 3 matters?
The numbers on the Delta website are of 30 June, 2011, so I understand if some numbers are lower now, because they are phasing out several aircraft.
213.148.252.228 (
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14:38, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
When Delta is receiving the 737-900ER, it is replacing some of the older A320s with them. But exactly how many A320s are being replaced? It is essential in improving the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.35.142 ( talk) 00:21, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
I personally think the Northwest fleet information should be merged back into the Delta Air Lines fleet article. Both the pre-merger Delta and Northwest fleets are relevant to Delta's history, and there was no consensus to create a separate article for Northwest's fleet. ANDROS1337 TALK 18:22, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
According to Delta's official website http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/about-delta/corporate-information/aircraft-fleet.html their fleet consists of 719 aircraft. Unregistered user 67.42.147.192 insists the information is wrong and keeps reverting the article to the version of November 2012. He claims that this information is older than 4 or 5 months. Could somebody please help me proving that the information on Delta's OFFICIAL! website is correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FonEengIneeR7 ( talk • contribs) 22:32, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Let me see if I can help. You are attempting to update the Delta Fleet Table with information that is posted on delta.com. I think that there are a couple of issues at play here:
I hope this is helpful to you. 67.42.209.160 ( talk) 01:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
We currently have an edit war underway in the current fleet table for these two aircraft types. It appears that multiple editors are using different criteria to determine when an aircraft becomes a part of the Delta fleet. Please see if we can agree on a method and move forward.
A related problem occurs when the a new aircraft is added or subtracted in the "In Service" column the "Orders" column is not updated with the change. Please update the entire line when editing.
The warring editors are also not updating the totals for both columns when they edit. Please be complete when editing the table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.120.215.45 ( talk) 19:10, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Delta has specifically said that 2 DC9s will continue to fly for the rest of the month as spare aircraft. The DC9 therefore is not "retired" yet, even if it is no longer flying scheduled flights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C:9D00:165A:3556:1018:50E1:EE6A ( talk) 02:47, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
The fleet time line from 1980-present has Delta marked as a launch customer for the 747-400. Delta didn't fly the -400 before the Northwest merger, the actual launch customer, though. Though they acquired these original aircraft, it doesn't seem correct to have them as a launch customer for these. — Bpogi ( talk) 19:44, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Delta's CEO confirmed on July 15, 2015 that Delta has cancelled an order for 20 used Embraer E190 and 40 new Boeing 737-900ER aircraft after pilots rejected a tentative contract proposal. [1] — Piper13 ( talk) 21:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Many people are editing the number of MD-88 airframes in service to 117. The correct number is 116 as N909DL has not returned to service since its accident at LGA. Please understand the "in service" column represents the number of aircraft operating, not the total number of aircraft owned by Delta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.115.118.126 ( talk) 01:07, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
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Delta's website and Planespotter both have different numbers for active 757 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.81.122.3 ( talk) 02:11, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Which two aircraft was stored?Planespotter.net Website said there are 102 757-200 in delta fleet
I keep having my edits reverted, without anyone actually citing a source. The two sources in the article are the one on Delta's website ( https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/about-delta/corporate-information/aircraft-fleet.html), which says 867 aircraft, but is only correct as of March 31. The other source is Planespotters, generally regarded as reliable and used as a reference on other airlines' pages, which says 888, as of July 2. Why are people "fixing" my edits to show 875 or 877 aircraft, neither of which is in either source given? If there is another source I should be aware of, let me know. Mirza Ahmed ( talk) 10:43, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
This is unfortunately true, because most sources for airlines' fleets are not viable, but still planespotters.net is listed as it was edited/updated by volunteers. The only way to make sure what is the current status of the aircraft is by checking it in flightradar24, or flightaware live tracking sites. That's what is being done on planespotters, or fleetlist and similar alternitive aviation sites. When I first took a look to our Wikipedia list, I saw relevant and most frequently updated fleetlist in the WWW, and I wanted to contribute. That's why I kept editing... Gotech8 ( talk)
Do not edit an article because you "thought" something, it is
WP:OR. Use only
WP:Reliable source and update tense if they are dated. Routine calculations do not count as original research, provided there is consensus among editors that the result of the calculation is obvious, correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources...
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According to Planespotters.net, N969AT, N975AT, and N987AT are stored and out of service. Wiki has all in service but Delta only has 88 out of the 91 Boeing 717s flying at the moment and a flickr photo shows N987AT retired. Should we put the Boeing 717 fleet from 91 to 88 or keep it the way it is at 91? I want to put it at 88 though but I'm unsure so I came to the talk page. Swagging ( talk) 20:37, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
I keep getting an edit reverted. Do the math and add up the numbers in the orders section; they add up to 238. If you have citations that there are two more on order, update the relevant row and cite it. Mirza Ahmed ( talk) 23:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
I just restored planespotters source since someone deleted that without an explanation. As you can see, this source still being used for most of airline article and no one have any problem with that. If anyone disagree, feel free to let me know your opinion. Thanks! Nguyen QuocTrung ( talk) 18:36, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Recently the 767-300ER retirement was more or less reversed. Delta called them a flex fleet which works both internationally and domestically. No matter what actually happens, its basically known that the 767-300ERs are probably not going to all be withdrawn in 2025.
https://airlineweekly.com/2021/11/delta-sees-boeing-757s-767s-as-flex-fleets-for-next-decade/
Being discussed heavily at airliners.net — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.84.9 ( talk) 22:32, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/byerussell/status/1549024702521376768?s=21&t=S_dKn_VCQTwywjgtWqea4g
VP Mahendra Nair so claims that the 717s will stay longer due to their status as a flex fleet. https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468491&p=23407795&hilit=717#p23407795 99.153.34.244 ( talk) 20:15, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Flight 523 was not a 737, rather a DC-9. 173.14.58.225 ( talk) 06:44, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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This article contains the same information as Delta Air Lines word for word and looks like all of the information has been copied from that one article. All of the info in this article can be found at Delta Air Lines Spikydan1 ( talk) 14:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm wondering if we should include the fleet Delta uses for regional air travel. Dan ( talk) 17:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm wondering if there should be a new table for the Northwest Airlines aircraft that are painted in Delta livery?
eg. Northwest in Delta colours
Something seperate under Northwest Airlines Fleet. Zaps93 ( talk) 19:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I have been wondering why there is a seperate fleet page when the information is shown on the airline articles. I then realised it's because it's showing the fleet of the soon to be big Delta. What I was wondering is wether this article be deleted once the airlines have actually merged as it would not need a seperate article. Your opinions? Zaps93 ( talk) 20:55, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Ishwasafish click here!!!
21:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)Is DL not painting the DC9-30's and -40's, or are they flat-out retiring them? Is there a source for this?
Ishwasafish click here!!!
14:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm having a hard time finding where routes and IFE are not part of WP:AIRLINES. Now I can see where IFE could be considered not important but Routes are on every page discussing how fleet pages should look ( Ref 1, Ref 2). This message is mainly aimed at zaps93 but intended for everyone. Also, if we're gonna eliminate Delta's premerger fleet, we should eliminate it from NWRP and Delta retired. Dan ( talk) 17:33, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Is it time to combine the fleets on this article. The pre-merger Northwest fleet is saved on the Northwest Airlines article. Delta will be taking delivery on it's first aircraft since the merger. And, as with the 1960, 1970, 1980, 1990, and 2000 fleets, one for 2010 can be added with a note that it is the pre-merger Delta fleet. Eventually, these to fleets will have to combine. Dan ( talk) 10:38, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone know when the 5 A319s and 2 A320s that Delta currently has on order will be delivered? Could the delay in delivery of these aircraft be due to the NW/DL merger? -- 98.250.92.159 ( talk) 15:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Okay. Yea, I have also seen on airliners.net some people saying things like DL would never place any more orders for Airbus aircraft. -- 98.250.92.159 ( talk) 02:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
If you look at the row with information about the Boeing 787-8, you will see that under the seating capacity column that it will say that the 787-8 for DL will have 202 seats in a 48/154 configuration. That seems like quite a small seating capacity, given that Boeing states that the 787-8 will seat between 210 and 250 passengers. Does anyone know if that's the correct configuration? The article about CO says that their 787-8s will seat 228 passengers in a 36/192 configuration. Perhaps there was a typo, and maybe the DL 787-8 will actually have a 48/174 (222 seat) configuration, or something like that? -- 98.250.92.159 ( talk) 02:06, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Update: I changed the seating capacity to 221 with 36 First class and 185 Economy class seats. There was a thread on A.net about the NW 787-8s, and it was stated on there that they would have that configuration. Here is the link:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/3053020/. I know that it is from 2006, but it is more realistic to order 788s with 221 seats as opposed to 202.
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03:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
The fleet section on Delta's website is out of date, specifically in regards to Economy Comfort mods and the number of aircraft in Delta's fleet.
747 - Delta's website says that there are 338 Y seats, but the Economy Comfort mods have been completed on these aircraft. One row of Y was removed, which reduces the count by 10 seats. The new Y seat count is 328. The current 747 config is: 393 (65/328).
757-200 - There are 48 75X (ex-Song) planes in the fleet. That's how many there were when Delta folded Song back into mainline Delta, and that's how many there still are. None have been parked, and no additional 757s have been modified to the 75X configuration. Additionally, the count of planes in the 757/75U configuration as of January 1, 2011 is 60. I can provide the ship numbers and/or registration numbers to back this up.
767-300ER - Several things to mention here:
76G - There are 7 of these in the fleet. 6 of them are ex-Gulf Air and one was originally built for Continental. They never took it, so Delta did. This is ship 1521. Perhaps the name of this configuration should be changed from "Ex-Gulf Air (76G)" to something else to reflect the fact that not all of these planes are actually ex-Gulf Air.
Business Elite Seats - Delta's website lists the number of BE seats as one less than the actual count because on 8+ hour flights, one BE seat is used for pilot rest. On flights less than 8 hours (and these planes do often operate flights less than 8 hours), Delta will sell all of the BE seats. Additionally, the 76T subfleet, used on flights greater than 12 hours is not even listed on Delta's website. These planes have 34 BE seats, and always do, no matter the length of the flight. In the space where 1C and 1E (2 seats) are typically located, there is a hard wall rest facility for the pilots.
Here's a summary of the 767-300ER configurations:
76L/76U | 44 in the fleet | 217 (36/181) *Only 35 BE seats are sold on flights greater than 8 hours. |
76T | 7 in the fleet | 215 (34/181) *34 BE seats are sold on flights greater than 8 hours. |
76G | 7 in the fleet | 215 (30/185) *Only 29 BE seats are sold on flights greater than 8 hours. |
Note:
Economy Comfort mods are underway on the 767-300ERs. On the 76L/U/T, one row is being removed for a Y seat count of 174. Eventually, when these planes receive lie-flat first class seats, the Y seat count will change again, but until those mods occur, the post-EC mod Y seat count will be 174. I do not know how many planes have received this mod, but this should probably be referenced in the article. Skidv25 ( talk) 02:26, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
I was thinking we might add a section with special liveries. They are already included in the notes but we could take them out and put them in a table. Example:
Registration | Livery | Aircraft |
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N3765 | SkyTeam | Boeing 737-800 |
N659DL | SkyTeam | Boeing 757-200 |
N705TW | SkyTeam | Boeing 757-200 |
N717TW | SkyTeam | Boeing 757-200 |
N722TW | SkyTeam | Boeing 757-200 |
N171DZ | Habitat for Humanity | Boeing 767-300ER |
N175DZ | SkyTeam | Boeing 767-300ER |
N841MH | American Cancer Society | Boeing 767-400ER |
N844MH | SkyTeam | Boeing 767-400ER |
N845MH | Breast Cancer Research Foundation | Boeing 767-400ER |
N701DN | "The Delta Spirit" | Boeing 777-200LR |
N702DN | "The Spirit of Atlanta" | Boeing 777-200LR |
We could also just list the SkyTeam liveries separate which also I would like to point out that I have not seen any photos of N705TW or N722TW in SkyTeam livery but listed it since it was already added in the fleet page. redlegsfan21 ( talk) 02:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I have formatted the current fleet table. I have also corrected the In service fleet for two aircraft types, removed the note All aircraft with wiglets for 737-700 and 737-800 as all next generation 737s come with wiglets, removed the column code as aircraft codes are universal and are unnecessary in an airlines fleet table and replaced redirects to direct links. I do not know how far the column IFE is relevant, but have retained it. Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks, — Abhishek Talk to me 18:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
The fleet table is only meant to list the different aircraft that an airline operates along with the seat configuration for each type. To mention how these are used on routes is not worthy at all and doing so will make it look like a travel guide and wikipedia is not a travle guide. Besides the organisation of the table was done per the project standards. Go through Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Layout (Airlines) for more.— Abhishek Talk 11:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
The article list the fleets of PMDL and PMNW every 10 years. That means that 2010 would also need to be listed to continue the pattern. However, since the 2010 fleet is, obviously, post-merger, I don't think it belongs in either the PMDL or the PMNW sections. Does anyone have any input on where to place the 2010 fleet table in the article? (BTW, the 2010 fleet can be found in Delta's 2010 Annual Report, located here: http://images.delta.com.edgesuite.net/delta/pdfs/annual_reports/2010_10K.pdf) Skidv25 ( talk) 03:30, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Delta has announced that also all domestic aircraft will be reconfigured to include economy comfort seats.
[1]
How should this be included in the table, without destroying the whole table?
Here are the new configs:
DC-9-50: 16/109 (124) --> 16/14/ 90 (120)
MD-88: 16/133 (149) --> 16/15/118 (149) (MD-88 are now being reconfigured from 14/128 (142) into 16/133)
MD-90: 16/144 (160) --> 12/15/134 (161)
737-700: 12/112 (124) --> 12/18/ 88 (118)
737-800: 16/144 (160) --> 16/18/126 (160)
A319: 12/114 (126) --> 12/18/102 (132)
A320: 16/132 (148) --> 12/18/120 (150)
757-200: several configs, but with 18-26 EC seats
757-300: 24/200 (224) --> 24/23/177 (224)
767-300: 30/231 (261) --> 30/28/203 (261)
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What do you mean by "75J" and "75M?" Which version of the 757 are you referring to? — Comp dude 123 16:11, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
Looking at the Delta website, some number of aircraft don't match with the table.
Delta website: B757-200: 167 aircraft, according to table: 165 including stored --> has the phasing out already begun?
Delta website: B767-300ER: 58 aircraft, according to table: 59 including stored --> seems like an error?
Delta website: B747-400: 15 aircraft, according to table: 16 including stored --> has the phasing out already begun?
Does anybody have info on these 3 matters?
The numbers on the Delta website are of 30 June, 2011, so I understand if some numbers are lower now, because they are phasing out several aircraft.
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14:38, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
When Delta is receiving the 737-900ER, it is replacing some of the older A320s with them. But exactly how many A320s are being replaced? It is essential in improving the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.35.142 ( talk) 00:21, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
I personally think the Northwest fleet information should be merged back into the Delta Air Lines fleet article. Both the pre-merger Delta and Northwest fleets are relevant to Delta's history, and there was no consensus to create a separate article for Northwest's fleet. ANDROS1337 TALK 18:22, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
According to Delta's official website http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/about-delta/corporate-information/aircraft-fleet.html their fleet consists of 719 aircraft. Unregistered user 67.42.147.192 insists the information is wrong and keeps reverting the article to the version of November 2012. He claims that this information is older than 4 or 5 months. Could somebody please help me proving that the information on Delta's OFFICIAL! website is correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FonEengIneeR7 ( talk • contribs) 22:32, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Let me see if I can help. You are attempting to update the Delta Fleet Table with information that is posted on delta.com. I think that there are a couple of issues at play here:
I hope this is helpful to you. 67.42.209.160 ( talk) 01:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
We currently have an edit war underway in the current fleet table for these two aircraft types. It appears that multiple editors are using different criteria to determine when an aircraft becomes a part of the Delta fleet. Please see if we can agree on a method and move forward.
A related problem occurs when the a new aircraft is added or subtracted in the "In Service" column the "Orders" column is not updated with the change. Please update the entire line when editing.
The warring editors are also not updating the totals for both columns when they edit. Please be complete when editing the table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.120.215.45 ( talk) 19:10, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Delta has specifically said that 2 DC9s will continue to fly for the rest of the month as spare aircraft. The DC9 therefore is not "retired" yet, even if it is no longer flying scheduled flights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C:9D00:165A:3556:1018:50E1:EE6A ( talk) 02:47, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
The fleet time line from 1980-present has Delta marked as a launch customer for the 747-400. Delta didn't fly the -400 before the Northwest merger, the actual launch customer, though. Though they acquired these original aircraft, it doesn't seem correct to have them as a launch customer for these. — Bpogi ( talk) 19:44, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Delta's CEO confirmed on July 15, 2015 that Delta has cancelled an order for 20 used Embraer E190 and 40 new Boeing 737-900ER aircraft after pilots rejected a tentative contract proposal. [1] — Piper13 ( talk) 21:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Many people are editing the number of MD-88 airframes in service to 117. The correct number is 116 as N909DL has not returned to service since its accident at LGA. Please understand the "in service" column represents the number of aircraft operating, not the total number of aircraft owned by Delta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.115.118.126 ( talk) 01:07, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Two experienced and respected editors are attempting to remove this section from the article. Each time they remove it they state that the section content is "Not Notable". They have removed it on three occasions in the last week.
Here is the applicable quote from the Airline fleet lists section: "Airline fleet lists should not include registrations, although aircraft in special paint schemes can be identified either in a Livery section or in the general text." This project was adopted in June 2009 and is still current. Instead of an Edit War Wikipedia requires collaboration and discussion. I have left repeated messages on both editors talk pages and received no response. Please discuss the issue here before you remove the section again. 70.57.120.194 ( talk) 18:25, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
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Delta's website and Planespotter both have different numbers for active 757 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.81.122.3 ( talk) 02:11, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Which two aircraft was stored?Planespotter.net Website said there are 102 757-200 in delta fleet
I keep having my edits reverted, without anyone actually citing a source. The two sources in the article are the one on Delta's website ( https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/about-delta/corporate-information/aircraft-fleet.html), which says 867 aircraft, but is only correct as of March 31. The other source is Planespotters, generally regarded as reliable and used as a reference on other airlines' pages, which says 888, as of July 2. Why are people "fixing" my edits to show 875 or 877 aircraft, neither of which is in either source given? If there is another source I should be aware of, let me know. Mirza Ahmed ( talk) 10:43, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
This is unfortunately true, because most sources for airlines' fleets are not viable, but still planespotters.net is listed as it was edited/updated by volunteers. The only way to make sure what is the current status of the aircraft is by checking it in flightradar24, or flightaware live tracking sites. That's what is being done on planespotters, or fleetlist and similar alternitive aviation sites. When I first took a look to our Wikipedia list, I saw relevant and most frequently updated fleetlist in the WWW, and I wanted to contribute. That's why I kept editing... Gotech8 ( talk)
Do not edit an article because you "thought" something, it is
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07:57, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
According to Planespotters.net, N969AT, N975AT, and N987AT are stored and out of service. Wiki has all in service but Delta only has 88 out of the 91 Boeing 717s flying at the moment and a flickr photo shows N987AT retired. Should we put the Boeing 717 fleet from 91 to 88 or keep it the way it is at 91? I want to put it at 88 though but I'm unsure so I came to the talk page. Swagging ( talk) 20:37, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
I keep getting an edit reverted. Do the math and add up the numbers in the orders section; they add up to 238. If you have citations that there are two more on order, update the relevant row and cite it. Mirza Ahmed ( talk) 23:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
I just restored planespotters source since someone deleted that without an explanation. As you can see, this source still being used for most of airline article and no one have any problem with that. If anyone disagree, feel free to let me know your opinion. Thanks! Nguyen QuocTrung ( talk) 18:36, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Recently the 767-300ER retirement was more or less reversed. Delta called them a flex fleet which works both internationally and domestically. No matter what actually happens, its basically known that the 767-300ERs are probably not going to all be withdrawn in 2025.
https://airlineweekly.com/2021/11/delta-sees-boeing-757s-767s-as-flex-fleets-for-next-decade/
Being discussed heavily at airliners.net — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.84.9 ( talk) 22:32, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/byerussell/status/1549024702521376768?s=21&t=S_dKn_VCQTwywjgtWqea4g
VP Mahendra Nair so claims that the 717s will stay longer due to their status as a flex fleet. https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468491&p=23407795&hilit=717#p23407795 99.153.34.244 ( talk) 20:15, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Flight 523 was not a 737, rather a DC-9. 173.14.58.225 ( talk) 06:44, 17 January 2024 (UTC)