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This article needs some type of reference, added tag. -- FloNight 22:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I doubt that's true. My sister was 5'1" 1/2 at 15, now she's 19 and 5'3". Uhhhh? ― LADY GALAXY ★彡 Refill/ lol 21:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I don’t trust those statements ether. In Sweden there is a misconception that a girl’s body is fully grown at
menarche. I think this
factoid is relic from the time before
Industrialisation when most North European girls got their menarche around the age of 17. Since they did not grew noticably after the event people misunderstood it as a signal that the body was fully grown. Today Swedish girls typically get their menarche around the age of 12 – 13 years. I think people continue to grown until the age of 18 but more and more slowly after pubery. Provided it is not so delayed that the process is not compleated until the age of 18, that is.
2009-08-01 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
Could the article go into whether or not this would be considered healthier or less healthy? Obviously abnormal but sometimes abnormalities can be beneficial. Obviously there are mechanical advantages to growth and maturation but they are not as important in a society that values mental qualities. I am wondering if you compare someone who took longer to mature to someone who took normal (or faster) how their health would compare, how it would compare to metabolism and lifespan and so forth. I know aging and maturation are separate processes occuring over time but even so there are no doubt metabolic alterations inherant to maturation which do affect the metabolic contributors to aging entropy. Tyciol 07:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Response In response to this statement I would like to state that this has been studied in the following study: Gender-related psychological and behavioural correlates of pubertal timing in a national sample of Swiss adolescents� P.-A. Michaud ∗, J.-C. Suris, A. Deppen Multidisciplinary Unit for Adolescent Health and Research group on Adolescent Health, University Hospital, Lausanne, Switzerland
The conclusion was that with regards to girls the only consequence with regards to psychological problems and risk behaviour was a statistically significant lower onset or occurence with regards to being sexually active when compared to normal or early onset of maturation. Boys on the other hand would be statistically more likely to have a dissatisfaction with their own body, be prone to binge drinking and are also less sexualy active then compared to their peers who did have a average onset of maturity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.120.3.216 ( talk) 12:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I think it would be beneficial to merge the sexual_infantilism article with the more established delayed puberty article. The former article starts by describing sexual infantilism as delayed puberty ("Sexual infantilism ... i.e., delayed puberty"). The delayed puberty article has a four year history; has had multiple, substantial contributors; and is actively improving. BitterGrey ( talk) 03:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
For the following:
"For North American, Indo-Iranian (India, Iran) and European girls
* Thelarche 10y5m (8y–13y) * Pubarche 11y (8.5–13.5y) * Growth spurt 10–12.5y * Menarche 12.5y (10.5–14.5) * Adult height reached 14.5y
For North American, Indo-Iranian (India, Iran) and European boys
* Testicular enlargement 11.5y (9.5–13.5y) * Pubic hair 12y (10–14y) * Growth spurt 12–14y * Completion of growth 16.0y"
Should not "Pubic hair" in boys be also "Pubarche" with the link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.56.129.47 ( talk) 16:30, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Why does the table say that girls stop to grew at the age of 14 and boys at 16? Does not people normally continue to grow until the age of 18?
2009-08-01 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
When I write “stop to grow” about humans I mean “stop to increase in height”. I thought my expression was clear enough.
2010-05-13 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.247.167.71 ( talk) 17:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
My point is that humans normally reach full height at the age of 18. But they may grow significantly slower after the end of puberty.
2010-05-15 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.146.16 ( talk) 08:45, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
I agree the article could be clearer about its criteria. It is based on cessation of limb growth and, the apparent age of near leveling of the growth curves, which are commonly used for clinical purposes but are somewhat of an oversimplification. For one of the best discussions of the complexities of determining "age at which adult height is reached", see [1] by one of the best auxologists in the business. alteripse ( talk) 02:49, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I thought puberty ended when secondary sex characteristics was fully developed. Think about a girl who gets menace at the age of nine! At the age of twelve she will not have the body proportions of an adult woman. She may have all the secondary sex characteristics of a woman but she is still increasing in height and probably the circumference of her hips as well. Yet she grows slower than other girls of her age and will end up significantly shorter than normal. Similarly, a boy who can get an erection at the age of eleven may have all the secondary sex characteristics of a man at the age of 14 but does still increase in height. Unless puberty is delayed there will be a couple of years between fully developed secondary sex characteristics and no further increase in height. The later will typically happened at the age of 16 – 18 years. At least this is how I have understood it.
2010-05-21 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.247.167.71 ( talk) 18:36, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I have added Kallmann syndrome under the "See also" box on the page as a condition that can cause delayed or absent puberty but is often overlooked. I know it is mentioned earlier in the article but I think it warrents another mention as it is not the most widely known about condition and a delay in diagnosis can cause both physical and pyschological problems for patients with it. Neilsmith38 ( talk) 12:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Northamerican girls/boys is very generic , considering that north americans could be indigenous, black , south asians, east asians, pacific islanders or white? If White (caucasian as Americans call it on their census) is meant maybe that should be clarified. If it doesnt matter maybe that should be stated too (From my own experience there isnt any difference world wide in puberty ranges)also the table doesnt have a source quoted anywhere does it? 77.188.67.67 ( talk) 19:02, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
This article needs some type of reference, added tag. -- FloNight 22:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I doubt that's true. My sister was 5'1" 1/2 at 15, now she's 19 and 5'3". Uhhhh? ― LADY GALAXY ★彡 Refill/ lol 21:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I don’t trust those statements ether. In Sweden there is a misconception that a girl’s body is fully grown at
menarche. I think this
factoid is relic from the time before
Industrialisation when most North European girls got their menarche around the age of 17. Since they did not grew noticably after the event people misunderstood it as a signal that the body was fully grown. Today Swedish girls typically get their menarche around the age of 12 – 13 years. I think people continue to grown until the age of 18 but more and more slowly after pubery. Provided it is not so delayed that the process is not compleated until the age of 18, that is.
2009-08-01 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
Could the article go into whether or not this would be considered healthier or less healthy? Obviously abnormal but sometimes abnormalities can be beneficial. Obviously there are mechanical advantages to growth and maturation but they are not as important in a society that values mental qualities. I am wondering if you compare someone who took longer to mature to someone who took normal (or faster) how their health would compare, how it would compare to metabolism and lifespan and so forth. I know aging and maturation are separate processes occuring over time but even so there are no doubt metabolic alterations inherant to maturation which do affect the metabolic contributors to aging entropy. Tyciol 07:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Response In response to this statement I would like to state that this has been studied in the following study: Gender-related psychological and behavioural correlates of pubertal timing in a national sample of Swiss adolescents� P.-A. Michaud ∗, J.-C. Suris, A. Deppen Multidisciplinary Unit for Adolescent Health and Research group on Adolescent Health, University Hospital, Lausanne, Switzerland
The conclusion was that with regards to girls the only consequence with regards to psychological problems and risk behaviour was a statistically significant lower onset or occurence with regards to being sexually active when compared to normal or early onset of maturation. Boys on the other hand would be statistically more likely to have a dissatisfaction with their own body, be prone to binge drinking and are also less sexualy active then compared to their peers who did have a average onset of maturity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.120.3.216 ( talk) 12:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I think it would be beneficial to merge the sexual_infantilism article with the more established delayed puberty article. The former article starts by describing sexual infantilism as delayed puberty ("Sexual infantilism ... i.e., delayed puberty"). The delayed puberty article has a four year history; has had multiple, substantial contributors; and is actively improving. BitterGrey ( talk) 03:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
For the following:
"For North American, Indo-Iranian (India, Iran) and European girls
* Thelarche 10y5m (8y–13y) * Pubarche 11y (8.5–13.5y) * Growth spurt 10–12.5y * Menarche 12.5y (10.5–14.5) * Adult height reached 14.5y
For North American, Indo-Iranian (India, Iran) and European boys
* Testicular enlargement 11.5y (9.5–13.5y) * Pubic hair 12y (10–14y) * Growth spurt 12–14y * Completion of growth 16.0y"
Should not "Pubic hair" in boys be also "Pubarche" with the link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.56.129.47 ( talk) 16:30, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Why does the table say that girls stop to grew at the age of 14 and boys at 16? Does not people normally continue to grow until the age of 18?
2009-08-01 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
When I write “stop to grow” about humans I mean “stop to increase in height”. I thought my expression was clear enough.
2010-05-13 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.247.167.71 ( talk) 17:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
My point is that humans normally reach full height at the age of 18. But they may grow significantly slower after the end of puberty.
2010-05-15 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.146.16 ( talk) 08:45, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
I agree the article could be clearer about its criteria. It is based on cessation of limb growth and, the apparent age of near leveling of the growth curves, which are commonly used for clinical purposes but are somewhat of an oversimplification. For one of the best discussions of the complexities of determining "age at which adult height is reached", see [1] by one of the best auxologists in the business. alteripse ( talk) 02:49, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I thought puberty ended when secondary sex characteristics was fully developed. Think about a girl who gets menace at the age of nine! At the age of twelve she will not have the body proportions of an adult woman. She may have all the secondary sex characteristics of a woman but she is still increasing in height and probably the circumference of her hips as well. Yet she grows slower than other girls of her age and will end up significantly shorter than normal. Similarly, a boy who can get an erection at the age of eleven may have all the secondary sex characteristics of a man at the age of 14 but does still increase in height. Unless puberty is delayed there will be a couple of years between fully developed secondary sex characteristics and no further increase in height. The later will typically happened at the age of 16 – 18 years. At least this is how I have understood it.
2010-05-21 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.247.167.71 ( talk) 18:36, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I have added Kallmann syndrome under the "See also" box on the page as a condition that can cause delayed or absent puberty but is often overlooked. I know it is mentioned earlier in the article but I think it warrents another mention as it is not the most widely known about condition and a delay in diagnosis can cause both physical and pyschological problems for patients with it. Neilsmith38 ( talk) 12:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Northamerican girls/boys is very generic , considering that north americans could be indigenous, black , south asians, east asians, pacific islanders or white? If White (caucasian as Americans call it on their census) is meant maybe that should be clarified. If it doesnt matter maybe that should be stated too (From my own experience there isnt any difference world wide in puberty ranges)also the table doesnt have a source quoted anywhere does it? 77.188.67.67 ( talk) 19:02, 11 April 2017 (UTC)