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==It seems quite similar in some ways to <Planetes>
So it's due to broadcast in Germany in 2009? Really? How very timely, given that it's now 2012 and the series was cancelled three years ago.
This article demonstrates clearly that Wikipedia needs to get its shit together on the content front
I realise I am a day late and a dollar short with this comment, but how about you just edit the article as appropriate? Wikipedia does not magically update itself... --
81.23.54.142 (
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18:38, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I deleted a line which cited a Variety article as saying ABC may pull the show. The source article says no such thing; all it has is the writer's comment that the show isn't likely to run 6 years without an improvement in the ratings which is not the same as saying ABC is planning to pull the show. There may likely be other sources quoting ABC or another broadcaster as threatening to pull the show, so if one is found, feel free to reinstate the comment. But let's make sure it's a reputable source. According to some blogs, Merlin was going to be cancelled after its 3rd episode, but the full season aired on NBC. The fact ABC is not the only funder of this series -- it involves Canadian, British and German networks, too -- may improve the odds of it lasting, so we should wait till there's a firm indication that ABC is giving up before posting it. 68.146.81.123 ( talk) 14:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm new at contributing to wikipedia. Learning the editor, etc. I would like to add a section to this article that lists the Donner monologues. I would like some guidance from someone more experienced and who has contributed to this article. Is this a good idea? Where would I place the new section? Any other advice? How can I tell if there are copyright issues? Certainly the monologues are copyright, but wouldn't they be considered fair use to be listed here for the purpose of studying the episode's themes? Thanks, SerSteve ( talk) 10:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)serSteve
I get it. And I'm glad I asked. I am talking about complete transcripts of Donner's narrative at the beginning and end of each episode. While each episode is fairly easy to follow, I am interested in experiencing the monologues as a whole across all episodes. I didn't intend to write my opinion or interpretation, only the transcripts. I understand now that this isn't the place to share this kind of work. If I post it somewhere else, and that results in notable discussion of, i.e., use of narrative in TV story telling with emphasis from this TV series, then a reference here to those discussions would be appropriate. Thanks guys, SerSteve ( talk) 21:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC)serSteve
The summary contains the following:
"(...) during which they are monitored from earth via a realtime, faster than light communication system."
There is a ref after this which indicates it would support it - see here. However, that ref only supports the text preceding this part - there is no mention of monitoring or FTL communication. Isn't that original research then? Shouldn't it be removed? -- Dfonseca ( talk) 17:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
I would say that the show itself is proof of a faster than light communication system. the minimum distance between Earth and Venus is about 2.11 light minutes while the longest is 14.51 light minutes. Which is the time it would take light, or any EM wave like a radio, to reach it (one way). So the only way that they have instant communication is by having a FTLCS. It is not uncommon to have a reference to the show or an episode itself. Xeworlebi ( t• c) 18:49, 13 September 2009 (UTC)Defying Gravity is a multi-nationally produced space travel television drama series, first aired on August 2, 2009 on ABC and CTV. Set in the year 2052 (with flashbacks to five and ten years earlier in the story's continuity), the series follows eight astronauts [1]—four women and four men—from five countries on a six-year space mission through the Solar System, [2] during which they are monitored from earth via a realtime, faster than light communication system. The series was pitched to networks as " Grey's Anatomy in space". [3]
For what it may be worth, the Antares is stated to be 30 million kilometers from Earth at time of the events in Episode 8. Since light travels at approximate 300,000 kilometers per second, it would take a radio or laser signal almost exactly 100 seconds (1 minute 40 seconds) to travel each way. Any reply, however immediate, wouldn't be received for at least 200 seconds (3 minutes 20 seconds).
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In the Premise section, we have,
It is a minor part of the story. Of course there is a crew member who is in charge of sending back PR packets. And really, that's not a "story within the story" anyway. Anybody going to complain if I delete the sentence? Ronstew ( talk) 00:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
This is sort of lame, but... an editor removed the abc.com website addresses earlier today and I reverted that change (it was the only thing changed). He since removed the addresses again, and I'm now re-adding them.
It's not that I particularly care that these External links exist, it's just that there's no reason (yet) to remove them. If and when ABC takes the specific site down, then we should remove the links. ABC and other major corporate websites tend to leave pages of for long periods of time regardless of show cancelations or anything similar, which is why I feel that the show (probably) being removed from ABC's schedule is an inappropriate reason for removal of the addresses.
Let's also keep in mind here that ABC is not the only network carrying the show. CTV is also (still) airing it, and there are a couple of European networks airing the show as well. Aside from all of that, a DVD release is typical, and it's not as though the show is being erased from existence, so some site for the show is likely to continue to exist anyway.
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OK, I reordered and copy edited the article so that there is a section dealing with all of the scheduling mumbo-jumbo that is going on. I added a summary sentence in the lead about all of the scheduling changes as well (IAW WP:LEAD). I'm not at all happy with that sentence, but it is at least pithy and descriptive, and I just can't think of anything better (right now).
There is a reference in the article source about the show not actually being canceled on ABC, but external links to aceshowbiz.com currently seem to be spam filtered for some reason. The reference is technically still there, but since it's really unusable I've commented it out and added a "Citation needed" tag there instead. If true, a regular news service is bound to pick up on the story in the morning regardless, and those should be preferred as references over blog posts anyway.
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The Antares and the Icarus II from the movie Sunshine (2007) share mostly the same design. If you compare images of the two ships side by side you will see that both have large umbrella like structures that are paneled with reflective mirrors. Both crafts also feature rotating armatures that create earth gravity. Smaller similarities include antenna arrays and the storage system. RobertMTodd ( talk) 07:03, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I knew that this was going to be an issue. I specifically looked at the few available sources talking about the show's reported ABC finale, and they all state "series finale", which is why that is what the article uses. It's looking as though they were all wrong (surprise!), but that's neither here nor there. What the sources actually stated at the time is verifiable, so it shouldn't be changed.
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Not to belabor the point, but HERE IS WHERE YOU ADDED THE EXAMINER.COM ARTICLE and called it an announcement by ABC. This probably wasn't the best research you've ever done. I don't blame you for forgetting about it, but your really must stop blaming "other editors." - 71.72.114.63 ( talk) 18:33, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Y'all know that the two terms are used interchangeably in some places outside the USA right? What a hooha over nothing. Rotfl 78.149.205.182 ( talk) 01:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Ok, it is multinational produced, but it's not a space travel television drama ... it really is a drama that this is called that way, because it's only mystery crap that happens in space randomly (or even pourposed there, because all other places had been occupied by mystery yet). The astronaut training sequences really are a joke ... like calling a bunch of playing school kids an "FBI agent training camp". And the relation to Grey's anatomy is defying sense ... since Grey's anatomy is professional stuff and therefore the opposite of THIS. One of the worst there to me is the trying to include sex into the storyline. Not that sex is bad generally, but it's the way of the prude ones, who have no natural impression and no talent for that. So what's shown here are the worst possible views ... there's no beauty in the act itself and everyone can see, that the people only act as they do. because the script said so. Without the mystery and the prude parts, the series could have become one of my favourites, because I really waited for such a long-term space travel feature from near future. But seeing this I just got the opinion, that this series coud be made to act against space travel ... to influence the mind of people negatively to space exploration programs. CMA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.104.86.181 ( talk • contribs) 16:45, 26 September 2009
So... has this been broadcast in Germany or the UK yet? If so, someone should add that info in... is anything beyond episode 9 a Canada-only affair? 76.66.197.30 ( talk) 16:44, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I suggest looking at a TV guide if you live in Germany or emailing a TV channel and requesting this show be aired. Any channel that this series has aired on would be listed in the main article itself. It's worth noting that Wikipedia essentially isn't a TV guide.
One of the reasons why the show ceased airing in America was the poor ratings, this may affect any channel outside of America/Canadia being interested in the show.
82.15.9.117 (
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19:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
If the Canadian/USA ratings are anything to go by you're probably right. I think if it ever gets a DVD release, they will probably just do German Subtitles or something 82.15.9.117 ( talk) 19:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Discovered 2038, from signal from Mars to Earth and then response from Nazca
Ref: Defying Gravity episode 9
76.66.197.30 ( talk) 12:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
2042 - year of Mars mission
Ref: Defying Gravity episode 10
76.66.197.30 ( talk) 12:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
... One small step for Man, One giant leap for Mankind ...
So... apparently Astronaut Walker was the first man on Mars, and his first words were...
Ref: Episode 11.
76.66.201.240 ( talk) 04:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
...Tranquility Base, The Eagle Has Landed...
So... Zoe's the first person to set foot on Venus, and after hyperanxiety trying to come up with something to say, says:
Ref: Episode 12
76.66.201.240 ( talk) 04:44, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
_____________________________________________________________________
Suggestion re BBC air times: show was moved to Saturday nights, getting later each week and ending up starting 11.10pm on 28 November. No wonder ratings went through the floor. Apologies if not submitting this suggested amendment correctly. Now find cannot even get tilde on my keyboard. Bother. Hang on - there it is! 81.159.35.186 ( talk) 11:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Understandably, a link to my own post regarding the subject of how the series would have ended was removed, because I added it to the main page for the show myself. If someone else feels it's fitting to be added, here is said link. No harm or spamming meant, just citing research I've done. Gudlyf ( talk) 19:53, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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==It seems quite similar in some ways to <Planetes>
So it's due to broadcast in Germany in 2009? Really? How very timely, given that it's now 2012 and the series was cancelled three years ago.
This article demonstrates clearly that Wikipedia needs to get its shit together on the content front
I realise I am a day late and a dollar short with this comment, but how about you just edit the article as appropriate? Wikipedia does not magically update itself... --
81.23.54.142 (
talk)
18:38, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I deleted a line which cited a Variety article as saying ABC may pull the show. The source article says no such thing; all it has is the writer's comment that the show isn't likely to run 6 years without an improvement in the ratings which is not the same as saying ABC is planning to pull the show. There may likely be other sources quoting ABC or another broadcaster as threatening to pull the show, so if one is found, feel free to reinstate the comment. But let's make sure it's a reputable source. According to some blogs, Merlin was going to be cancelled after its 3rd episode, but the full season aired on NBC. The fact ABC is not the only funder of this series -- it involves Canadian, British and German networks, too -- may improve the odds of it lasting, so we should wait till there's a firm indication that ABC is giving up before posting it. 68.146.81.123 ( talk) 14:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm new at contributing to wikipedia. Learning the editor, etc. I would like to add a section to this article that lists the Donner monologues. I would like some guidance from someone more experienced and who has contributed to this article. Is this a good idea? Where would I place the new section? Any other advice? How can I tell if there are copyright issues? Certainly the monologues are copyright, but wouldn't they be considered fair use to be listed here for the purpose of studying the episode's themes? Thanks, SerSteve ( talk) 10:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)serSteve
I get it. And I'm glad I asked. I am talking about complete transcripts of Donner's narrative at the beginning and end of each episode. While each episode is fairly easy to follow, I am interested in experiencing the monologues as a whole across all episodes. I didn't intend to write my opinion or interpretation, only the transcripts. I understand now that this isn't the place to share this kind of work. If I post it somewhere else, and that results in notable discussion of, i.e., use of narrative in TV story telling with emphasis from this TV series, then a reference here to those discussions would be appropriate. Thanks guys, SerSteve ( talk) 21:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC)serSteve
The summary contains the following:
"(...) during which they are monitored from earth via a realtime, faster than light communication system."
There is a ref after this which indicates it would support it - see here. However, that ref only supports the text preceding this part - there is no mention of monitoring or FTL communication. Isn't that original research then? Shouldn't it be removed? -- Dfonseca ( talk) 17:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
I would say that the show itself is proof of a faster than light communication system. the minimum distance between Earth and Venus is about 2.11 light minutes while the longest is 14.51 light minutes. Which is the time it would take light, or any EM wave like a radio, to reach it (one way). So the only way that they have instant communication is by having a FTLCS. It is not uncommon to have a reference to the show or an episode itself. Xeworlebi ( t• c) 18:49, 13 September 2009 (UTC)Defying Gravity is a multi-nationally produced space travel television drama series, first aired on August 2, 2009 on ABC and CTV. Set in the year 2052 (with flashbacks to five and ten years earlier in the story's continuity), the series follows eight astronauts [1]—four women and four men—from five countries on a six-year space mission through the Solar System, [2] during which they are monitored from earth via a realtime, faster than light communication system. The series was pitched to networks as " Grey's Anatomy in space". [3]
For what it may be worth, the Antares is stated to be 30 million kilometers from Earth at time of the events in Episode 8. Since light travels at approximate 300,000 kilometers per second, it would take a radio or laser signal almost exactly 100 seconds (1 minute 40 seconds) to travel each way. Any reply, however immediate, wouldn't be received for at least 200 seconds (3 minutes 20 seconds).
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In the Premise section, we have,
It is a minor part of the story. Of course there is a crew member who is in charge of sending back PR packets. And really, that's not a "story within the story" anyway. Anybody going to complain if I delete the sentence? Ronstew ( talk) 00:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
This is sort of lame, but... an editor removed the abc.com website addresses earlier today and I reverted that change (it was the only thing changed). He since removed the addresses again, and I'm now re-adding them.
It's not that I particularly care that these External links exist, it's just that there's no reason (yet) to remove them. If and when ABC takes the specific site down, then we should remove the links. ABC and other major corporate websites tend to leave pages of for long periods of time regardless of show cancelations or anything similar, which is why I feel that the show (probably) being removed from ABC's schedule is an inappropriate reason for removal of the addresses.
Let's also keep in mind here that ABC is not the only network carrying the show. CTV is also (still) airing it, and there are a couple of European networks airing the show as well. Aside from all of that, a DVD release is typical, and it's not as though the show is being erased from existence, so some site for the show is likely to continue to exist anyway.
—
V = I * R (
talk to Ω)
01:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, I reordered and copy edited the article so that there is a section dealing with all of the scheduling mumbo-jumbo that is going on. I added a summary sentence in the lead about all of the scheduling changes as well (IAW WP:LEAD). I'm not at all happy with that sentence, but it is at least pithy and descriptive, and I just can't think of anything better (right now).
There is a reference in the article source about the show not actually being canceled on ABC, but external links to aceshowbiz.com currently seem to be spam filtered for some reason. The reference is technically still there, but since it's really unusable I've commented it out and added a "Citation needed" tag there instead. If true, a regular news service is bound to pick up on the story in the morning regardless, and those should be preferred as references over blog posts anyway.
—
V = I * R (
talk to Ω)
04:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
The Antares and the Icarus II from the movie Sunshine (2007) share mostly the same design. If you compare images of the two ships side by side you will see that both have large umbrella like structures that are paneled with reflective mirrors. Both crafts also feature rotating armatures that create earth gravity. Smaller similarities include antenna arrays and the storage system. RobertMTodd ( talk) 07:03, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I knew that this was going to be an issue. I specifically looked at the few available sources talking about the show's reported ABC finale, and they all state "series finale", which is why that is what the article uses. It's looking as though they were all wrong (surprise!), but that's neither here nor there. What the sources actually stated at the time is verifiable, so it shouldn't be changed.
—
V = I * R (
talk to Ω)
17:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Not to belabor the point, but HERE IS WHERE YOU ADDED THE EXAMINER.COM ARTICLE and called it an announcement by ABC. This probably wasn't the best research you've ever done. I don't blame you for forgetting about it, but your really must stop blaming "other editors." - 71.72.114.63 ( talk) 18:33, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Y'all know that the two terms are used interchangeably in some places outside the USA right? What a hooha over nothing. Rotfl 78.149.205.182 ( talk) 01:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Ok, it is multinational produced, but it's not a space travel television drama ... it really is a drama that this is called that way, because it's only mystery crap that happens in space randomly (or even pourposed there, because all other places had been occupied by mystery yet). The astronaut training sequences really are a joke ... like calling a bunch of playing school kids an "FBI agent training camp". And the relation to Grey's anatomy is defying sense ... since Grey's anatomy is professional stuff and therefore the opposite of THIS. One of the worst there to me is the trying to include sex into the storyline. Not that sex is bad generally, but it's the way of the prude ones, who have no natural impression and no talent for that. So what's shown here are the worst possible views ... there's no beauty in the act itself and everyone can see, that the people only act as they do. because the script said so. Without the mystery and the prude parts, the series could have become one of my favourites, because I really waited for such a long-term space travel feature from near future. But seeing this I just got the opinion, that this series coud be made to act against space travel ... to influence the mind of people negatively to space exploration programs. CMA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.104.86.181 ( talk • contribs) 16:45, 26 September 2009
So... has this been broadcast in Germany or the UK yet? If so, someone should add that info in... is anything beyond episode 9 a Canada-only affair? 76.66.197.30 ( talk) 16:44, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
I suggest looking at a TV guide if you live in Germany or emailing a TV channel and requesting this show be aired. Any channel that this series has aired on would be listed in the main article itself. It's worth noting that Wikipedia essentially isn't a TV guide.
One of the reasons why the show ceased airing in America was the poor ratings, this may affect any channel outside of America/Canadia being interested in the show.
82.15.9.117 (
talk)
19:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
If the Canadian/USA ratings are anything to go by you're probably right. I think if it ever gets a DVD release, they will probably just do German Subtitles or something 82.15.9.117 ( talk) 19:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Discovered 2038, from signal from Mars to Earth and then response from Nazca
Ref: Defying Gravity episode 9
76.66.197.30 ( talk) 12:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
2042 - year of Mars mission
Ref: Defying Gravity episode 10
76.66.197.30 ( talk) 12:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
... One small step for Man, One giant leap for Mankind ...
So... apparently Astronaut Walker was the first man on Mars, and his first words were...
Ref: Episode 11.
76.66.201.240 ( talk) 04:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
...Tranquility Base, The Eagle Has Landed...
So... Zoe's the first person to set foot on Venus, and after hyperanxiety trying to come up with something to say, says:
Ref: Episode 12
76.66.201.240 ( talk) 04:44, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
_____________________________________________________________________
Suggestion re BBC air times: show was moved to Saturday nights, getting later each week and ending up starting 11.10pm on 28 November. No wonder ratings went through the floor. Apologies if not submitting this suggested amendment correctly. Now find cannot even get tilde on my keyboard. Bother. Hang on - there it is! 81.159.35.186 ( talk) 11:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Understandably, a link to my own post regarding the subject of how the series would have ended was removed, because I added it to the main page for the show myself. If someone else feels it's fitting to be added, here is said link. No harm or spamming meant, just citing research I've done. Gudlyf ( talk) 19:53, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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