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According tho Article Hole and Celebrity Skin he was chosen by production manager to overdub all the drum tracks done previously by Petty Schemel. He was not credited and the fact was not to be revealed before 2002 when Courtney Love admitted replacing Schemel during the recording of the album. Saemikneu ( talk) 22:41, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Before we all start edit-warring, I'm not too happy about the level of coverage in the article given to the assault, nor the sources involved. Do we have anything more substantial, such as coverage in the New York Times, for example? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:58, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps one could review the citations. One is a dead URL, and one is dated October of 2022. That hasn’t even happened. If there isn’t enough integrity to correctly verify sources, that lessens the trust of any other editors and heightens suspicion. The section with the unverified and incorrect sources should be update or deleted. Furthermore, media reports do not corroborate court public record, which is accessible in the state of Oregon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:3E00:3CF:69A2:E2A0:BE8A:381A ( talk) 08:28, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
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The sentence, “He beat his wife and donated to his high school,” should probably be two different sections with separate sources. Currently, it reads like the actions took place together, which doesn’t make sense. 2600:1700:C4D2:6010:2D8A:E082:176:C9C2 ( talk) 16:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
This is apparently taken from the following news article from 2015: https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2015/10/journeys_deen_castronovo_plead.html which adds more details about this incident. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:703:4100:4DF0:180:F58E:DE06:BE96 ( talk) 01:06, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
“He beat his wife.” For one, it’s not accurate. She was not his wife. For another, the public court records for the State of Oregon do not support the inflammatory/media bias present in the newspapers and news reports, written to sensationalize and gain readership or viewers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:3E00:3CF:69A2:E2A0:BE8A:381A ( talk) 08:42, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
It appears to me that you’re editing things that don’t need to be edited, but that’s a smallish problem. The problem with this edit is (and I don’t know where you got the source version to edit) your changing “Associated with” to “formerly of” makes some of the bands/mentioned factually incorrect. Deen was never “formerly of” Fear Factory Social Distortion Cacophony He is still in the Revolution Saints. They continue to record and release music. By eliminating “associated with,” you’re omitting his Shrapnel years, which is an important part of his career. (Although the Cacophony wiki page lists him as a former member, the personnel for “Go Off” —the only album he played on—does not list him as a member. They list him as an additional musician. Please update your edits after some research. KaytieKay ( talk) 12:40, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
@80s Sam—I don’t know what “external band member” pages are, but I can tell you Deen isn’t listed on Social Distortion’s official website and, though not a primary source, he is listed as merely a session player on their wiki. As far as Fear Factory, he played on *one song* on their Genexus album. “Guest drummer.” I’m surprised you didn’t include Hole on that list. As far as Cacophony, I won’t get into a pi$$ing match about it. Someone else listed him as a member on that wiki, but if you actually look at the album he played on (Go Off) he is not listed as a member. In fact, he’s not even pictured on the gatefold photo.
As far as him being formerly of Revolution Saints, they are currently recording and releasing new material. Why isn’t this standard: Current member Former member Possibly a few associated acts. (Tony MacAlpine, maybe Vasco Rossi—I would want to ask @Sundayclose the stipulations on that, or if my template is in line with what’s suggested.) Admittedly, I’m a newbie, but I know music and grammar. :) I know that the Wikipedia articles are now part of the knowledge panels displayed on Google, meaning they carry more weight than just a place you go for questionable facts. I’ve also seen the power of a poorly edited page because of incorrect and outdated info. To the point it indirectly ruined the reputation of a celebrity.
Rant off. KaytieKay ( talk) 03:40, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Ping 80s Sam Sundayclose
I told you I was a newbie. KaytieKay ( talk) 03:52, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
It’s looks like [[User:80s Sam |80s Sam]] has made changes to Castronovo’s Wiki Sundayclose. I’m just getting ready to pore over it. At first glance it seems like it has added sources. Sundayclose I read where you said discogs is not an approved source. Is there a definitive list of unapproved sources? I take issues with Blabbermouth, as it tends to be perceived as a gossip page close to TMZ. KaytieKay ( talk) 05:49, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Sundayclose The formerly vs associated with has been updated by 80s SamUnfortunately, he didn’t edit the text in other sections to correspond with his changes. Close.
Now I’ll go back to further educate myself on pinging people and linking to talk pages. I can edit wiki pages, but it’s the talk pages that are killing me. Thanks for your patience Sundayclose. KaytieKay ( talk) 06:02, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Grunty89 Can you please explain “this is probably him” and your unnecessary changes to this? KaytieKay ( talk) 07:34, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
@ 80s Sam Did we really have to go around this subject again? *REVIEW YOUR SOURCES.* Covering drummer duties/session drumming does not a member make. Playing on an album does not make you a member. Playing on *one* song doesn’t make you a member. Why you continuously ignore this is beyond me. It’s like you want to perpetuate the incorrect info rather than do your research. How about listening or reading an interview from Deen. You can’t support a secondary source with another secondary source. @ Sundayclose was very clear with this. You agreed to change it. KaytieKay ( talk) 07:44, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
User:TerryAlex is making edits to the article without sources. Additionally, it isn’t true that Deen was married at the time of the arrest. Although User:TerryAlex thinks they are being clever by using their wiki name rather than their ISP as they did with their original edit, the changes are still traceable. I’ve flagged the last two changes with a vandalism tag and plan to report their edit warring. (They showed their history of edit warring with their edit of another article in August of this year.)
User:TerryAlex Please refresh your memory and research, regarding the editing and sourcing requirements to prevent a permanent ban from Wikipedia. Rule 6. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:10SR&redirect=no KaytieKay ( talk) 20:44, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
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According tho Article Hole and Celebrity Skin he was chosen by production manager to overdub all the drum tracks done previously by Petty Schemel. He was not credited and the fact was not to be revealed before 2002 when Courtney Love admitted replacing Schemel during the recording of the album. Saemikneu ( talk) 22:41, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Before we all start edit-warring, I'm not too happy about the level of coverage in the article given to the assault, nor the sources involved. Do we have anything more substantial, such as coverage in the New York Times, for example? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:58, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps one could review the citations. One is a dead URL, and one is dated October of 2022. That hasn’t even happened. If there isn’t enough integrity to correctly verify sources, that lessens the trust of any other editors and heightens suspicion. The section with the unverified and incorrect sources should be update or deleted. Furthermore, media reports do not corroborate court public record, which is accessible in the state of Oregon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:3E00:3CF:69A2:E2A0:BE8A:381A ( talk) 08:28, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
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The sentence, “He beat his wife and donated to his high school,” should probably be two different sections with separate sources. Currently, it reads like the actions took place together, which doesn’t make sense. 2600:1700:C4D2:6010:2D8A:E082:176:C9C2 ( talk) 16:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
This is apparently taken from the following news article from 2015: https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2015/10/journeys_deen_castronovo_plead.html which adds more details about this incident. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:703:4100:4DF0:180:F58E:DE06:BE96 ( talk) 01:06, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
“He beat his wife.” For one, it’s not accurate. She was not his wife. For another, the public court records for the State of Oregon do not support the inflammatory/media bias present in the newspapers and news reports, written to sensationalize and gain readership or viewers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:3E00:3CF:69A2:E2A0:BE8A:381A ( talk) 08:42, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
It appears to me that you’re editing things that don’t need to be edited, but that’s a smallish problem. The problem with this edit is (and I don’t know where you got the source version to edit) your changing “Associated with” to “formerly of” makes some of the bands/mentioned factually incorrect. Deen was never “formerly of” Fear Factory Social Distortion Cacophony He is still in the Revolution Saints. They continue to record and release music. By eliminating “associated with,” you’re omitting his Shrapnel years, which is an important part of his career. (Although the Cacophony wiki page lists him as a former member, the personnel for “Go Off” —the only album he played on—does not list him as a member. They list him as an additional musician. Please update your edits after some research. KaytieKay ( talk) 12:40, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
@80s Sam—I don’t know what “external band member” pages are, but I can tell you Deen isn’t listed on Social Distortion’s official website and, though not a primary source, he is listed as merely a session player on their wiki. As far as Fear Factory, he played on *one song* on their Genexus album. “Guest drummer.” I’m surprised you didn’t include Hole on that list. As far as Cacophony, I won’t get into a pi$$ing match about it. Someone else listed him as a member on that wiki, but if you actually look at the album he played on (Go Off) he is not listed as a member. In fact, he’s not even pictured on the gatefold photo.
As far as him being formerly of Revolution Saints, they are currently recording and releasing new material. Why isn’t this standard: Current member Former member Possibly a few associated acts. (Tony MacAlpine, maybe Vasco Rossi—I would want to ask @Sundayclose the stipulations on that, or if my template is in line with what’s suggested.) Admittedly, I’m a newbie, but I know music and grammar. :) I know that the Wikipedia articles are now part of the knowledge panels displayed on Google, meaning they carry more weight than just a place you go for questionable facts. I’ve also seen the power of a poorly edited page because of incorrect and outdated info. To the point it indirectly ruined the reputation of a celebrity.
Rant off. KaytieKay ( talk) 03:40, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Ping 80s Sam Sundayclose
I told you I was a newbie. KaytieKay ( talk) 03:52, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
It’s looks like [[User:80s Sam |80s Sam]] has made changes to Castronovo’s Wiki Sundayclose. I’m just getting ready to pore over it. At first glance it seems like it has added sources. Sundayclose I read where you said discogs is not an approved source. Is there a definitive list of unapproved sources? I take issues with Blabbermouth, as it tends to be perceived as a gossip page close to TMZ. KaytieKay ( talk) 05:49, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Sundayclose The formerly vs associated with has been updated by 80s SamUnfortunately, he didn’t edit the text in other sections to correspond with his changes. Close.
Now I’ll go back to further educate myself on pinging people and linking to talk pages. I can edit wiki pages, but it’s the talk pages that are killing me. Thanks for your patience Sundayclose. KaytieKay ( talk) 06:02, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Grunty89 Can you please explain “this is probably him” and your unnecessary changes to this? KaytieKay ( talk) 07:34, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
@ 80s Sam Did we really have to go around this subject again? *REVIEW YOUR SOURCES.* Covering drummer duties/session drumming does not a member make. Playing on an album does not make you a member. Playing on *one* song doesn’t make you a member. Why you continuously ignore this is beyond me. It’s like you want to perpetuate the incorrect info rather than do your research. How about listening or reading an interview from Deen. You can’t support a secondary source with another secondary source. @ Sundayclose was very clear with this. You agreed to change it. KaytieKay ( talk) 07:44, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
User:TerryAlex is making edits to the article without sources. Additionally, it isn’t true that Deen was married at the time of the arrest. Although User:TerryAlex thinks they are being clever by using their wiki name rather than their ISP as they did with their original edit, the changes are still traceable. I’ve flagged the last two changes with a vandalism tag and plan to report their edit warring. (They showed their history of edit warring with their edit of another article in August of this year.)
User:TerryAlex Please refresh your memory and research, regarding the editing and sourcing requirements to prevent a permanent ban from Wikipedia. Rule 6. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:10SR&redirect=no KaytieKay ( talk) 20:44, 27 October 2023 (UTC)