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I notice that User:Officialdps has been busy removing information that would help one change one name's by deed poll without charge. The paragraph headed 'Misconception' probably explains their motive. Addedentry ( talk) 13:04, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
That's not Elton John's 'deed of change of name' - that's a form for notifying a change of a company director!
In view of this information, I have removed the image to ensure clarity- spikeguy
Despite some people's usage in recent years, "sex" and "gender" are not synonymous and gender does not mean sex. If it did, there would be no basis for Lucy-Marie to repeatedly change sex in the article to gender; if either were correct it would be appropriate to leave it as sex. But, her rationale in her latest edit is itself a condemnation of her own edit. It says (and I quote her) "gender is defined as 2. Sexual identity, especially in relation to society or culture". Fine, no argument with that. But, and it's a big but, 1 she has not shown that sex is not the right word to use and 2 this dictionary definition doesn't say what she thinks it says. Read it carefully: it talks about sexual "identity" and how it relates to "society or culture". The article, though, is referring to someone's biological sex (and note that Lucy's definition says 'sexual' identity as well).
To quote from the most authoritative source, the Oxford English Dictionary:
The OED goes in, in a small note, to remark that "Since the 1960s increasingly replaced by gender (see GENDER n. 3b) when the referent is human, perhaps originally as a euphemism...... The word sex tends now to refer to biological differences, while gender often refers to cultural or social ones. " In other words, "gender" is not correct, but is 'increasingly' used as a euphemism (and I would add, a personal view, by people who are afraid to say 'sex').
Incidentally, the OED gives a definition of 'gender as "Kind, sort, class; also, genus as opposed to species" and goes on to give the definition alluded to by another editor:
The OED adds, as a note, "In mod. (esp. feminist) use, a euphemism for the sex of a human being, often intended to emphasize the social and cultural, as opposed to the biological, distinctions between the sexes."
Wikipedia is not in the business of using euphemisms. Sex is correct in this context, especially as we are referring to the biological distinctions and not the social and cultural distinctions. (Note: see also Sex Discrimination Act 1975 ("A person discriminates against a woman in any circumstances relevant for the purposes of any provision of this Act if (a) on the ground of her sex he treats her less favourably than he treats or would treat a man", Sex Discrimination (Northern Ireland) Order 1976 ("unlawful to discriminate against an individual on the grounds of his or her sex") etc etc etc.) Emeraude ( talk) 21:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I would like to ask why the condition is refered to as Gender Dysphoria and the UK passed the Gender Recognition Act. which both relate to going form either male to female or female to male. Also the whole topic is referred to as Gender identity disorder.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 14:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
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I notice that User:Officialdps has been busy removing information that would help one change one name's by deed poll without charge. The paragraph headed 'Misconception' probably explains their motive. Addedentry ( talk) 13:04, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
That's not Elton John's 'deed of change of name' - that's a form for notifying a change of a company director!
In view of this information, I have removed the image to ensure clarity- spikeguy
Despite some people's usage in recent years, "sex" and "gender" are not synonymous and gender does not mean sex. If it did, there would be no basis for Lucy-Marie to repeatedly change sex in the article to gender; if either were correct it would be appropriate to leave it as sex. But, her rationale in her latest edit is itself a condemnation of her own edit. It says (and I quote her) "gender is defined as 2. Sexual identity, especially in relation to society or culture". Fine, no argument with that. But, and it's a big but, 1 she has not shown that sex is not the right word to use and 2 this dictionary definition doesn't say what she thinks it says. Read it carefully: it talks about sexual "identity" and how it relates to "society or culture". The article, though, is referring to someone's biological sex (and note that Lucy's definition says 'sexual' identity as well).
To quote from the most authoritative source, the Oxford English Dictionary:
The OED goes in, in a small note, to remark that "Since the 1960s increasingly replaced by gender (see GENDER n. 3b) when the referent is human, perhaps originally as a euphemism...... The word sex tends now to refer to biological differences, while gender often refers to cultural or social ones. " In other words, "gender" is not correct, but is 'increasingly' used as a euphemism (and I would add, a personal view, by people who are afraid to say 'sex').
Incidentally, the OED gives a definition of 'gender as "Kind, sort, class; also, genus as opposed to species" and goes on to give the definition alluded to by another editor:
The OED adds, as a note, "In mod. (esp. feminist) use, a euphemism for the sex of a human being, often intended to emphasize the social and cultural, as opposed to the biological, distinctions between the sexes."
Wikipedia is not in the business of using euphemisms. Sex is correct in this context, especially as we are referring to the biological distinctions and not the social and cultural distinctions. (Note: see also Sex Discrimination Act 1975 ("A person discriminates against a woman in any circumstances relevant for the purposes of any provision of this Act if (a) on the ground of her sex he treats her less favourably than he treats or would treat a man", Sex Discrimination (Northern Ireland) Order 1976 ("unlawful to discriminate against an individual on the grounds of his or her sex") etc etc etc.) Emeraude ( talk) 21:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I would like to ask why the condition is refered to as Gender Dysphoria and the UK passed the Gender Recognition Act. which both relate to going form either male to female or female to male. Also the whole topic is referred to as Gender identity disorder.-- Lucy-marie ( talk) 14:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
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See the link below. Moonraker ( talk) 05:30, 11 March 2021 (UTC)