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This article should be capable of becoming a Good Article. I'm going to do some minor copyediting and clean up the references as best as I can. Any suggestions for improvements would be most welcome. -- RexxS ( talk) 14:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
I've reverted the removal of text from Prevention, as the reason given was "removed pov". The section may be poorly-written, less than exact, and uncited, but it does contain useful information. As far as I can see, it's not pov. The answer to stylistic concerns, imprecisions and lack of references is to fix it, not delete it. I'll find some references and copyedit. -- RexxS ( talk) 20:42, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 07:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
The table uses alternate colloquial and technical terminology in the first column. I feel it would be better if you used "the bends","the staggers", "the chokes" and "the niggles" or either "joints", "neuro", "lungs", "skin". Lean towards the first set as the next column has the anatomical locations. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 07:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Only deals with coverage in the US. I know in Canada social medicine of course covers DCS as it does an other emergent / urgent health problem. It will cover transport within Canada from one health care center to the other if treatment is not available in the first. But will not fly one home from abroad for treatment. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 07:40, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 09:40, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Too often, DCI is considered to have a number of discrete symptoms and signs when, in reality, it is a multisystem condition that may express itself in a variety of manifestations that can occur singly or in an overlapping fashion.
First, thanks very much for your copyediting, James, I really value a fresh pair of eyes on these articles, as I feel very lonely on scuba-related topics, with only a tiny handful of regular editors for company.
Next, would you please take a look at User:RexxS/Accessibility. I'm currently working with Jack Merridew and others to improve awareness of the problems that rowspans cause to visually-impaired readers. It's a pet issue for me at the moment, and I believe quite strongly that replicating information in tables is sometimes necessary for improved accessibility, despite the aesthetic attraction of rowspans (which work fine for non-impaired readers). If I can convince you that there is a real point in this, I'd be grateful if you'd reconsider your edit that added the rowspans. In any case, any comments at User talk:RexxS/Accessibility would also be welcome.
I think I would like to amend the table somewhat, especially in the light of your comments above and the manifestations described by Francis and Mitchell. The 'peripheral nerve' symptoms essentially belong with 'spinal chord'. Would 'audiovestibular' be a more accurate descriptor for 'inner ear'? In the same frame, perhaps 'cutaneous' would be better instead of 'skin bends'? Francis & Mitchell use the following subheadings in their discussion: Neurologic, Musculoskeletal, Constitutional, Audiovestibular, Cutaneous, Lymphatic, and Cardiopulmonary. -- RexxS ( talk) 19:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Could use some expansion and explanation here as to how it works as it is a little counter intuitive. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 08:11, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
I have made a number of grammatical changes. Please check that I have not changed the intended meaning. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 08:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
The treatment section dose not touch on a number of points such as the positioning of the person with the condition. I have sent you a paper to use to address this. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 09:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Any way we can make the line "The Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association has estimated that around 3.2 million divers participate at least once a year in the United States.<ref name="emed" />" more pertinent to DCS? Any publish literature taking the 2.8 per 10,000 and extrapolating it to the number of dives? Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 09:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
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07:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)Should the article mention the phenomenon as it applies to, for instance, ultra-deep-sea species like the anglerfish which die when brought to the surface? (leaving aside the point that not all anglerfish are ultra-deep species) DS ( talk) 23:22, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
65.25.181.201 posted this comment on 23 June 2013 ( view all feedback).
How long do they need to stay in the hyperbaric chamber as a treatment.
Any thoughts? Subsection of treatment?
• • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:49, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
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link)Bump: @ Gene Hobbs: Any progress? • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:27, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
As Peter has pointed out, a search through the cited source:
doesn't find any evidence of the attribution to "Greek or anal sex". The text was added on 3 October 2008 by Vargob whose last edit was well over a year ago. Consequently, I'll remove that text and reference the term from
where it's discussed on page 446. -- RexxS ( talk) 17:07, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Should there be reference to Heliox 50 as a treatment gas? see http://archive.rubicon-foundation.org/xmlui/bitstream/handle/123456789/2133/8329941.pdf?sequence=1 • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:30, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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I visited this article to find out about the effects of this condition on the human body, but found very little. I feel the article needs a separate section on this perhaps. Asgrrr ( talk) 19:46, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, this is a step in the right direction. I take it this is verbatim from a medical/scientific paper? I feel the text is a bit too technical for an encyclopedic entry. Either a complete rewrite/simplification (dumbing down???), or an additional summary of resulting physiological effects in layman's language is required I think. Asgrrr ( talk) 01:54, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
86.171.69.69 ( talk) 12:36, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
The usual heading is "Other animals", not "Other species" and that has been stable for the last two years. The IP
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WHOIS) is fixated with changing "animals" to "species" and is now edit-warring to force their version into the article. Their latest edit summary, "Undid revision 912966153 by RexxS (talk) because humans are not animals (why can't you people understand that?) and this can also happen in non animals species like bacteria and insects"
demonstrates their lack of understanding. Humans are animals, as are insects, and any organism that is susceptible to decompression sickness is almost certainly an animal. I'd be grateful for any fresh eyes on this issue. --
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talk)
16:23, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
"dissolved gases coming out of solution into bubbles inside the body on depressurization"
This is too complicated to understand. Too many conjunctures. Gases coming out of solution; fine. Into bubbles? Solution into bubble? or gases are present in the form of bubbles in solution? Again, it is followed by "inside the body on depressurization" What is inside the body? Solution? Or bubbles? Sorry it makes me totally lost. Can we please make it more clear. May be by dividing in shorter and simpler sentences? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.220.148.63 ( talk) 15:27, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
It's not the responsibility of any encyclopedia to reteach information taught in grammar school in every article that refers to a principal. CO2 gas dissolved in soda pop comes out of solution, and forms bubbles when you shake it. Even if you weren't taught in school that's not the only place you come across that principle. As used in this article points out the same principal applies here. 2600:8807:5400:28F0:D56:83F3:7C70:DBAC ( talk) 08:39, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
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Intestinal gas trapped in a tight place in the intestines that expands causes extreme abdominal pain causing the victim to bend over. That has been referred to in many writings about divers for centuries before any artificial compression caused bubbles in the blood decompression illness or diagnosis of same was even possible. The article has no mention of that. 2600:8807:5400:28F0:D56:83F3:7C70:DBAC ( talk) 08:56, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
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This article should be capable of becoming a Good Article. I'm going to do some minor copyediting and clean up the references as best as I can. Any suggestions for improvements would be most welcome. -- RexxS ( talk) 14:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
I've reverted the removal of text from Prevention, as the reason given was "removed pov". The section may be poorly-written, less than exact, and uncited, but it does contain useful information. As far as I can see, it's not pov. The answer to stylistic concerns, imprecisions and lack of references is to fix it, not delete it. I'll find some references and copyedit. -- RexxS ( talk) 20:42, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 07:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
The table uses alternate colloquial and technical terminology in the first column. I feel it would be better if you used "the bends","the staggers", "the chokes" and "the niggles" or either "joints", "neuro", "lungs", "skin". Lean towards the first set as the next column has the anatomical locations. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 07:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Only deals with coverage in the US. I know in Canada social medicine of course covers DCS as it does an other emergent / urgent health problem. It will cover transport within Canada from one health care center to the other if treatment is not available in the first. But will not fly one home from abroad for treatment. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 07:40, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 09:40, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Too often, DCI is considered to have a number of discrete symptoms and signs when, in reality, it is a multisystem condition that may express itself in a variety of manifestations that can occur singly or in an overlapping fashion.
First, thanks very much for your copyediting, James, I really value a fresh pair of eyes on these articles, as I feel very lonely on scuba-related topics, with only a tiny handful of regular editors for company.
Next, would you please take a look at User:RexxS/Accessibility. I'm currently working with Jack Merridew and others to improve awareness of the problems that rowspans cause to visually-impaired readers. It's a pet issue for me at the moment, and I believe quite strongly that replicating information in tables is sometimes necessary for improved accessibility, despite the aesthetic attraction of rowspans (which work fine for non-impaired readers). If I can convince you that there is a real point in this, I'd be grateful if you'd reconsider your edit that added the rowspans. In any case, any comments at User talk:RexxS/Accessibility would also be welcome.
I think I would like to amend the table somewhat, especially in the light of your comments above and the manifestations described by Francis and Mitchell. The 'peripheral nerve' symptoms essentially belong with 'spinal chord'. Would 'audiovestibular' be a more accurate descriptor for 'inner ear'? In the same frame, perhaps 'cutaneous' would be better instead of 'skin bends'? Francis & Mitchell use the following subheadings in their discussion: Neurologic, Musculoskeletal, Constitutional, Audiovestibular, Cutaneous, Lymphatic, and Cardiopulmonary. -- RexxS ( talk) 19:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Could use some expansion and explanation here as to how it works as it is a little counter intuitive. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 08:11, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
I have made a number of grammatical changes. Please check that I have not changed the intended meaning. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 08:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
The treatment section dose not touch on a number of points such as the positioning of the person with the condition. I have sent you a paper to use to address this. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 09:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Any way we can make the line "The Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association has estimated that around 3.2 million divers participate at least once a year in the United States.<ref name="emed" />" more pertinent to DCS? Any publish literature taking the 2.8 per 10,000 and extrapolating it to the number of dives? Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 09:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
1. Well written?:
2. Factually accurate and verifiable?:
3. Broad in coverage?:
4. Reflects a neutral point of view?:
5. Reasonably stable?
6. Illustrated by images, when possible and appropriate?:
Overall:
I'll just put some ideas for development of the article here while they are fresh in my mind:
Any other suggestions are much appreciated. -- RexxS ( talk) 13:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
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07:24, 7 April 2011 (UTC)Should the article mention the phenomenon as it applies to, for instance, ultra-deep-sea species like the anglerfish which die when brought to the surface? (leaving aside the point that not all anglerfish are ultra-deep species) DS ( talk) 23:22, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
65.25.181.201 posted this comment on 23 June 2013 ( view all feedback).
How long do they need to stay in the hyperbaric chamber as a treatment.
Any thoughts? Subsection of treatment?
• • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:49, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
{{
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: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)Bump: @ Gene Hobbs: Any progress? • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:27, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
As Peter has pointed out, a search through the cited source:
doesn't find any evidence of the attribution to "Greek or anal sex". The text was added on 3 October 2008 by Vargob whose last edit was well over a year ago. Consequently, I'll remove that text and reference the term from
where it's discussed on page 446. -- RexxS ( talk) 17:07, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Should there be reference to Heliox 50 as a treatment gas? see http://archive.rubicon-foundation.org/xmlui/bitstream/handle/123456789/2133/8329941.pdf?sequence=1 • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:30, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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I visited this article to find out about the effects of this condition on the human body, but found very little. I feel the article needs a separate section on this perhaps. Asgrrr ( talk) 19:46, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, this is a step in the right direction. I take it this is verbatim from a medical/scientific paper? I feel the text is a bit too technical for an encyclopedic entry. Either a complete rewrite/simplification (dumbing down???), or an additional summary of resulting physiological effects in layman's language is required I think. Asgrrr ( talk) 01:54, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
86.171.69.69 ( talk) 12:36, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
The usual heading is "Other animals", not "Other species" and that has been stable for the last two years. The IP
35.136.139.150 (
talk ·
contribs ·
WHOIS) is fixated with changing "animals" to "species" and is now edit-warring to force their version into the article. Their latest edit summary, "Undid revision 912966153 by RexxS (talk) because humans are not animals (why can't you people understand that?) and this can also happen in non animals species like bacteria and insects"
demonstrates their lack of understanding. Humans are animals, as are insects, and any organism that is susceptible to decompression sickness is almost certainly an animal. I'd be grateful for any fresh eyes on this issue. --
RexxS (
talk)
16:23, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
"dissolved gases coming out of solution into bubbles inside the body on depressurization"
This is too complicated to understand. Too many conjunctures. Gases coming out of solution; fine. Into bubbles? Solution into bubble? or gases are present in the form of bubbles in solution? Again, it is followed by "inside the body on depressurization" What is inside the body? Solution? Or bubbles? Sorry it makes me totally lost. Can we please make it more clear. May be by dividing in shorter and simpler sentences? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.220.148.63 ( talk) 15:27, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
It's not the responsibility of any encyclopedia to reteach information taught in grammar school in every article that refers to a principal. CO2 gas dissolved in soda pop comes out of solution, and forms bubbles when you shake it. Even if you weren't taught in school that's not the only place you come across that principle. As used in this article points out the same principal applies here. 2600:8807:5400:28F0:D56:83F3:7C70:DBAC ( talk) 08:39, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
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Reference named "pmid1249001":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 23:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Intestinal gas trapped in a tight place in the intestines that expands causes extreme abdominal pain causing the victim to bend over. That has been referred to in many writings about divers for centuries before any artificial compression caused bubbles in the blood decompression illness or diagnosis of same was even possible. The article has no mention of that. 2600:8807:5400:28F0:D56:83F3:7C70:DBAC ( talk) 08:56, 2 September 2023 (UTC)