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228 coalitions, political entities prepare for Iraq's legislative poll font size ZoomIn ZoomOut
http://english.people.com.cn/200510/30/eng20051030_217703.html kevin J waldroup
I would like to add a section at the beginning lookin at the overall impact of the election on Iraqi politics. I realise that this could be considered highly speculative but I think it would be a useful summary anyway.
Please let me know what you think AndrewRT 22:12, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
"The results of a public opinion pool conducted in Babil province showed some interesting findings; the poll conducted by al-Mada research institute interviewed 460 men and women in a random sample technique from both the urban and rural parts of the province. When asked if they were going to vote or not, 96.7% answered with “yes” while in only 3.3% of the cases the answer came as “no”. When asked which list they’re going to vote for, 41.6% said they’ll be voting for the United Iraqi Alliance, second came Allawi’s “731 list” with 24.6% while all the rest of lists shared 15.5% of the votes in the poll. The remaining 13.8% said they hadn’t made up their minds yet, something not unusual if we know most people know very little about the lists’ they’re supposed to chose from. This poll showed that 77% of the interviewed people knew only the head of the list (24.8%) or a few more members of their favorite list (52.2%)." http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/
kevin J waldroup December,8 2005
"Voters interviewed as they left a polling station in a mainly Shi'ite area of Baghdad showed 48 percent voted for the UIA, with Allawi's list scoring 38 percent."
kevin J waldroup 12:16 PM December,16 2005
"There are no reliable opinion polls but observers expect the Shi’ite United Iraqi Alliance share of the vote to fall, from the 48 per cent it won in January to perhaps about 40 per cent. The Kurds are predicted to win about 25 per cent of the vote, and may be pushed hard for second place by Allawi."
kevin J waldroup 3:16 AM December,17 2005
"In Arbil, the alliance took 86 percent of the votes while the Kurdish Islamic Party took only 3.4 percent, according to a PUK official. In Dohuk, the alliance claimed 76 percent, and 71 percent in Sulaimaniyah.
In the Sunni-dominated province of Salaheddin, the capital of which is Saddam Hussein’s hometown of Tikrit, a Sunni coalition that included the Iraqi Islamic Party led with 45 percent of the votes. It was followed by Allawi at 30 percent, an electoral source said."
kevin J waldroup 2:54 PM December,17 2005
I am curious about the fatwas that are being issued by sunni clerics. here in this article we have: "However, the Association of Muslim Scholars, which is influential in the Sunni community, has called for a boycott of the December elections, which could have an adverse impact on the Iraqi Accord Front's success."
But right now I am reading a new york times article in which they report: "Despite the violence, more than 1,000 Sunni clerics issued a religious decree instructing their followers to vote Thursday, boosting U.S. hopes the election will encourage more members of the disaffected minority to abandon the insurgency."
Do we have a source for the first quote? Are there conflicting fatwas among the sunnis?
I'm looking forward to this election! NPPyzixBlan 17:21, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Okay, so I added the information about sunni clerics urging followers to vote. Not a fatwa, but there were more than 1,000 sunni clerics telling their followers to vote. added a source and everything....cheers. NPPyzixBlan 03:47, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I reversed the wording [1] to get what I think is a more accurate nuance here. It isn't that "Both groups have been linked to the insurgency" but rather than "The insurgency has been linked to both groups." The first seems to me to assign a collective blame to all members of the groups, while the second more accurately suggests only that the insurgency is made up of a (presumably quite small) fraction of both groups.
I make content edits so rarely that it probably bears repeating that I'm just editing as an ordinary editor here. -- Jimbo Wales 16:25, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I've seen on the news purple ink which people dip their fingers in just before they put their ballot papers in the box. I was wondering what it is for. Is it just an ink which doesn't wash off for a few days so they can tell if someone has already voted, or is there another reason? -- Nathan 22:49, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, it's just to stop people voting more than once. 09:31, 16 December 2005 (UTC) (Skittle)
can we find a source citing the figure about 25% of seats being for women? there's got to be a good one out there somewhere.... NPPyzixBlan 23:29, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Sadly I don't have time to write this, but there should be mention of some of the violence that happened during the election and security measures taken to prevent it (I heard on NPR that they baned bicycles in one city). Broken S 01:35, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
This needs tidying badly, but I don't know enough about the topic to do so. For example, this sentence: This election will see the participation of two communities (or sects) - the Sunnis and the Sadrists
Are these Sadrists the same as the Shia/Shi'ites mentioned elsewhere in the article? 09:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC) (Skittle)
I have already added a legitmacy section and think others should add things. After all this election is being put on in an occupied country. Wikipedia must give perspective to this election. It is easy to paint this as a rosy election living in America. We must make sure that we tell all the facts and investigate the rigging of these elections which was already done in January. If contributors only read the NY times they are only getting one side of the story. Contributors must read from European and Middle-eastern online sources.
"In an interview with The Associated Press, Al-Dulaimi predicted that Shiite religious parties would be unable to form a government - even though they are widely expected to take the largest number of seats." kevin J waldroup 12:07PM December 17, 2005
I have put in an estimated calculation for each province of how many seats each list is expected to get. These numbers are not obvious from the source - which only gives votes recieved - so I thought I would explain here how I've calculated them.
I've assumed that the seats are allocated per the D'Honte system: Within each province, you allocate the seats one by one according to which party has the highest ratio of votes:(seats already allocated +1)
Example:
Kirkuk 9 seats: KA 51.89%; UNL 14.24%; ITF: 11.62%; IAF: 6.17%
1st seat goes to KA; ratios become:
KA 51.89%/2=25.95; UNL 14.24%; ITF: 11.62%; IAF: 6.17%
2nd seat to KA
KA 51.89%/3=17.30; UNL 14.24%; ITF: 11.62%; IAF: 6.17%
3rd seat to KA
KA 51.89%/4=12.97; UNL 14.24%; ITF: 11.62%; IAF: 6.17%
4th seat goes to UNL
KA 51.89%/4=12.97; UNL 14.24%/2=7.12; ITF: 11.62%; IAF: 6.17%
5th seat goes to KA
KA 51.89%/5=10.38; UNL 14.24%/2=7.12; ITF: 11.62%; IAF: 6.17%
6th seat goes to ITF
KA 51.89%/5=10.38; UNL 14.24%/2=7.12; ITF: 11.62%/2=5.81; IAF: 6.17%
7th seat goes to KA
KA 51.89%/6=8.65; UNL 14.24%/2=7.12; ITF: 11.62%/2=5.81; IAF: 6.17%
8th seat goes to KA
KA 51.89%/7=7.41; UNL 14.24%/2=7.12; ITF: 11.62%/2=5.81; IAF: 6.17%
9th seat goes to KA
Total KA - 7, ITF - 1, UNL - 1
There are other ways of dividing up the seats and I'm not sure exactly the method laid down in Iraq, but I thought as they're uncertified partial results I didn't think it was necessary to calculate it more precisely. AndrewRT 20:54, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Article 16 of Iraqi Election Law "Seats allotted to electoral districts shall be allocated to entities through the system of proportional representation and in accordance with the following procedures:
1- The total number of valid votes in the district shall be divided by the number of seats allotted to the district to obtain “the election quota.” 2- The total number of votes obtained by each entity shall be divided by "the election quota" to determine the number of the seats to be allocated to each entity. 3- The remaining seats shall be allocated by the method of the largest remainders."
Also, For instance if the United Iraq Coalition wins 34.49 Seats, and the Kurdish Gathering wins .6254 seats, Who would get the seat by largest remainder? Do you consider lists that were not able to win a seat without the "method of largest remainder"? Massrepublican 6:49 PM, December 21, 2005 (EST)
I've noted that the IECI has issued results translated into English. However the translations are not the same as those used on these pages. For the time being I have kept the names as used previously, but I was wondering if people thought we should move over.
We have the same issue with the names of governorates too - e.g. they spell it Theqar, we spell it Dhi Qar.
Also, I notice they refer to Kirkuk province. Does anyone know if the name has officially been changed from At-Tamim?
Finally we have not been consistent spelling "Governorate" or "Governate". Is this an Americanism? Which is correct? AndrewRT 20:54, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Final results of the election have been certified:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4630518.stm
Wish I had time to update this article, but I don't -- that link should be a good start for those who do... -- Jfruh 15:45, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
More results:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/20/international/middleeast/20cnd-iraq.html
-- Jfruh 19:33, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
This new elected government doesn't appear to have a very strong mandate, does it? It only appears to have a plurality, not a majority. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais ( Be eudaimonic!) 22:59, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't the map be more appropriately placed with the article on the January 2005 election? It is confusing here.
I would like to move these sections to new articles but would like to ask for advice on naming. Is there a standard elsewhere I could follow? "Government of Iraq elected December 2005" or "Government of Iraq formed 2006" AndrewRT 13:58, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
The article starts with "Following the ratification of the Constitution of Iraq on October 15, 2005", but in the "Impact of election" section (under "Debate over Federalism and Succession") it is stated that "The elected Assembly will have the difficult task of ratifying a constitution". Is this a different kind of ratification or simply an error? 129.241.11.200 13:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
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228 coalitions, political entities prepare for Iraq's legislative poll font size ZoomIn ZoomOut
http://english.people.com.cn/200510/30/eng20051030_217703.html kevin J waldroup
I would like to add a section at the beginning lookin at the overall impact of the election on Iraqi politics. I realise that this could be considered highly speculative but I think it would be a useful summary anyway.
Please let me know what you think AndrewRT 22:12, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
"The results of a public opinion pool conducted in Babil province showed some interesting findings; the poll conducted by al-Mada research institute interviewed 460 men and women in a random sample technique from both the urban and rural parts of the province. When asked if they were going to vote or not, 96.7% answered with “yes” while in only 3.3% of the cases the answer came as “no”. When asked which list they’re going to vote for, 41.6% said they’ll be voting for the United Iraqi Alliance, second came Allawi’s “731 list” with 24.6% while all the rest of lists shared 15.5% of the votes in the poll. The remaining 13.8% said they hadn’t made up their minds yet, something not unusual if we know most people know very little about the lists’ they’re supposed to chose from. This poll showed that 77% of the interviewed people knew only the head of the list (24.8%) or a few more members of their favorite list (52.2%)." http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/
kevin J waldroup December,8 2005
"Voters interviewed as they left a polling station in a mainly Shi'ite area of Baghdad showed 48 percent voted for the UIA, with Allawi's list scoring 38 percent."
kevin J waldroup 12:16 PM December,16 2005
"There are no reliable opinion polls but observers expect the Shi’ite United Iraqi Alliance share of the vote to fall, from the 48 per cent it won in January to perhaps about 40 per cent. The Kurds are predicted to win about 25 per cent of the vote, and may be pushed hard for second place by Allawi."
kevin J waldroup 3:16 AM December,17 2005
"In Arbil, the alliance took 86 percent of the votes while the Kurdish Islamic Party took only 3.4 percent, according to a PUK official. In Dohuk, the alliance claimed 76 percent, and 71 percent in Sulaimaniyah.
In the Sunni-dominated province of Salaheddin, the capital of which is Saddam Hussein’s hometown of Tikrit, a Sunni coalition that included the Iraqi Islamic Party led with 45 percent of the votes. It was followed by Allawi at 30 percent, an electoral source said."
kevin J waldroup 2:54 PM December,17 2005
I am curious about the fatwas that are being issued by sunni clerics. here in this article we have: "However, the Association of Muslim Scholars, which is influential in the Sunni community, has called for a boycott of the December elections, which could have an adverse impact on the Iraqi Accord Front's success."
But right now I am reading a new york times article in which they report: "Despite the violence, more than 1,000 Sunni clerics issued a religious decree instructing their followers to vote Thursday, boosting U.S. hopes the election will encourage more members of the disaffected minority to abandon the insurgency."
Do we have a source for the first quote? Are there conflicting fatwas among the sunnis?
I'm looking forward to this election! NPPyzixBlan 17:21, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Okay, so I added the information about sunni clerics urging followers to vote. Not a fatwa, but there were more than 1,000 sunni clerics telling their followers to vote. added a source and everything....cheers. NPPyzixBlan 03:47, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I reversed the wording [1] to get what I think is a more accurate nuance here. It isn't that "Both groups have been linked to the insurgency" but rather than "The insurgency has been linked to both groups." The first seems to me to assign a collective blame to all members of the groups, while the second more accurately suggests only that the insurgency is made up of a (presumably quite small) fraction of both groups.
I make content edits so rarely that it probably bears repeating that I'm just editing as an ordinary editor here. -- Jimbo Wales 16:25, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I've seen on the news purple ink which people dip their fingers in just before they put their ballot papers in the box. I was wondering what it is for. Is it just an ink which doesn't wash off for a few days so they can tell if someone has already voted, or is there another reason? -- Nathan 22:49, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, it's just to stop people voting more than once. 09:31, 16 December 2005 (UTC) (Skittle)
can we find a source citing the figure about 25% of seats being for women? there's got to be a good one out there somewhere.... NPPyzixBlan 23:29, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Sadly I don't have time to write this, but there should be mention of some of the violence that happened during the election and security measures taken to prevent it (I heard on NPR that they baned bicycles in one city). Broken S 01:35, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
This needs tidying badly, but I don't know enough about the topic to do so. For example, this sentence: This election will see the participation of two communities (or sects) - the Sunnis and the Sadrists
Are these Sadrists the same as the Shia/Shi'ites mentioned elsewhere in the article? 09:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC) (Skittle)
I have already added a legitmacy section and think others should add things. After all this election is being put on in an occupied country. Wikipedia must give perspective to this election. It is easy to paint this as a rosy election living in America. We must make sure that we tell all the facts and investigate the rigging of these elections which was already done in January. If contributors only read the NY times they are only getting one side of the story. Contributors must read from European and Middle-eastern online sources.
"In an interview with The Associated Press, Al-Dulaimi predicted that Shiite religious parties would be unable to form a government - even though they are widely expected to take the largest number of seats." kevin J waldroup 12:07PM December 17, 2005
I have put in an estimated calculation for each province of how many seats each list is expected to get. These numbers are not obvious from the source - which only gives votes recieved - so I thought I would explain here how I've calculated them.
I've assumed that the seats are allocated per the D'Honte system: Within each province, you allocate the seats one by one according to which party has the highest ratio of votes:(seats already allocated +1)
Example:
Kirkuk 9 seats: KA 51.89%; UNL 14.24%; ITF: 11.62%; IAF: 6.17%
1st seat goes to KA; ratios become:
KA 51.89%/2=25.95; UNL 14.24%; ITF: 11.62%; IAF: 6.17%
2nd seat to KA
KA 51.89%/3=17.30; UNL 14.24%; ITF: 11.62%; IAF: 6.17%
3rd seat to KA
KA 51.89%/4=12.97; UNL 14.24%; ITF: 11.62%; IAF: 6.17%
4th seat goes to UNL
KA 51.89%/4=12.97; UNL 14.24%/2=7.12; ITF: 11.62%; IAF: 6.17%
5th seat goes to KA
KA 51.89%/5=10.38; UNL 14.24%/2=7.12; ITF: 11.62%; IAF: 6.17%
6th seat goes to ITF
KA 51.89%/5=10.38; UNL 14.24%/2=7.12; ITF: 11.62%/2=5.81; IAF: 6.17%
7th seat goes to KA
KA 51.89%/6=8.65; UNL 14.24%/2=7.12; ITF: 11.62%/2=5.81; IAF: 6.17%
8th seat goes to KA
KA 51.89%/7=7.41; UNL 14.24%/2=7.12; ITF: 11.62%/2=5.81; IAF: 6.17%
9th seat goes to KA
Total KA - 7, ITF - 1, UNL - 1
There are other ways of dividing up the seats and I'm not sure exactly the method laid down in Iraq, but I thought as they're uncertified partial results I didn't think it was necessary to calculate it more precisely. AndrewRT 20:54, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Article 16 of Iraqi Election Law "Seats allotted to electoral districts shall be allocated to entities through the system of proportional representation and in accordance with the following procedures:
1- The total number of valid votes in the district shall be divided by the number of seats allotted to the district to obtain “the election quota.” 2- The total number of votes obtained by each entity shall be divided by "the election quota" to determine the number of the seats to be allocated to each entity. 3- The remaining seats shall be allocated by the method of the largest remainders."
Also, For instance if the United Iraq Coalition wins 34.49 Seats, and the Kurdish Gathering wins .6254 seats, Who would get the seat by largest remainder? Do you consider lists that were not able to win a seat without the "method of largest remainder"? Massrepublican 6:49 PM, December 21, 2005 (EST)
I've noted that the IECI has issued results translated into English. However the translations are not the same as those used on these pages. For the time being I have kept the names as used previously, but I was wondering if people thought we should move over.
We have the same issue with the names of governorates too - e.g. they spell it Theqar, we spell it Dhi Qar.
Also, I notice they refer to Kirkuk province. Does anyone know if the name has officially been changed from At-Tamim?
Finally we have not been consistent spelling "Governorate" or "Governate". Is this an Americanism? Which is correct? AndrewRT 20:54, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Final results of the election have been certified:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4630518.stm
Wish I had time to update this article, but I don't -- that link should be a good start for those who do... -- Jfruh 15:45, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
More results:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/20/international/middleeast/20cnd-iraq.html
-- Jfruh 19:33, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
This new elected government doesn't appear to have a very strong mandate, does it? It only appears to have a plurality, not a majority. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais ( Be eudaimonic!) 22:59, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't the map be more appropriately placed with the article on the January 2005 election? It is confusing here.
I would like to move these sections to new articles but would like to ask for advice on naming. Is there a standard elsewhere I could follow? "Government of Iraq elected December 2005" or "Government of Iraq formed 2006" AndrewRT 13:58, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
The article starts with "Following the ratification of the Constitution of Iraq on October 15, 2005", but in the "Impact of election" section (under "Debate over Federalism and Succession") it is stated that "The elected Assembly will have the difficult task of ratifying a constitution". Is this a different kind of ratification or simply an error? 129.241.11.200 13:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
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