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In section 3, where the commandments are listed along with their numbering for each biblical tradition, the numbers have coloured backgrounds. Initially, I assumed that entries with the same colour had something in common, and searched the surrounding text for an explanation. I've come to the conclusion that the colours were simply intended to help legibility, but in the current form they are potentially confusing. Either each number should have a totally different colour, an explanation that they have no further significance should be added, or the colours should be removed entirely.
I initially agreed with you and started to delete the background colours BUT looking at the result, I realised that the colours help to see the grouping of the commandments - should be different colours used and not repeated (but not sure how to do that) 185.69.144.69 ( talk) 05:46, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
The article is written from a Chassidic view, that is, in rabbinic judaism the ten commandments do not exist as a concept. The revelation to Moses on Mount Sinai was Law that was passed on orally, later it was written down and became known as the oral Torah or Talmud. In contrast, Christianity, Samaritanians and several other non-chassidic Jewish communities do recognize the ten commandments. 190.102.58.173 ( talk) 05:36, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Almost no sources from the 21st century. Kind of a jumble to read. Anyone up for the task? IncandescentBliss ( talk) 14:29, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Just a note that I sourced this quote from the Documentary Hypothesis page.
“The consensus around the classical documentary hypothesis has now collapsed. This was triggered in large part by the influential publications of John Van Seters, Hans Heinrich Schmid, and Rolf Rendtorff in the mid-1970s.” IncandescentBliss ( talk) 00:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
@potatín5 I’m unclear what the issue is here. I used the source you provided, quoting exclusively from it and you reverted. I have asked specifically that you consult with me on editing my work before deleting. I’m trying to act in good faith here.
The source you quoted said:
a) the definition of the Ten Commandments was “covenant document” b) it cited no sources since 2001 who hold to them being pre-exilic
There is very clearly an academic consensus that the text wasn’t fixed. I’m literally just saying that there were three versions.
Please *in all future cases* consult with me before deleting my edits. IncandescentBliss ( talk) 21:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I was asked by u:IncandescentBliss to take a look at this dispute. I understand that this diff contains the contested changes. There are quite a lot of changes there and it's hard to discuss all of them at the same time. I would suggest discussing them one-by-one, starting from the most important one. Alaexis ¿question? 07:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Speaking as an American, some readers will look at this page hoping to find a list of the 10 commandments as we might see them displayed in the Bible or on say displays at state fund schools. I don't see that here. Did I miss them? DyslexicDeficit ( talk) 04:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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In section 3, where the commandments are listed along with their numbering for each biblical tradition, the numbers have coloured backgrounds. Initially, I assumed that entries with the same colour had something in common, and searched the surrounding text for an explanation. I've come to the conclusion that the colours were simply intended to help legibility, but in the current form they are potentially confusing. Either each number should have a totally different colour, an explanation that they have no further significance should be added, or the colours should be removed entirely.
I initially agreed with you and started to delete the background colours BUT looking at the result, I realised that the colours help to see the grouping of the commandments - should be different colours used and not repeated (but not sure how to do that) 185.69.144.69 ( talk) 05:46, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
The article is written from a Chassidic view, that is, in rabbinic judaism the ten commandments do not exist as a concept. The revelation to Moses on Mount Sinai was Law that was passed on orally, later it was written down and became known as the oral Torah or Talmud. In contrast, Christianity, Samaritanians and several other non-chassidic Jewish communities do recognize the ten commandments. 190.102.58.173 ( talk) 05:36, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Almost no sources from the 21st century. Kind of a jumble to read. Anyone up for the task? IncandescentBliss ( talk) 14:29, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
Just a note that I sourced this quote from the Documentary Hypothesis page.
“The consensus around the classical documentary hypothesis has now collapsed. This was triggered in large part by the influential publications of John Van Seters, Hans Heinrich Schmid, and Rolf Rendtorff in the mid-1970s.” IncandescentBliss ( talk) 00:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
@potatín5 I’m unclear what the issue is here. I used the source you provided, quoting exclusively from it and you reverted. I have asked specifically that you consult with me on editing my work before deleting. I’m trying to act in good faith here.
The source you quoted said:
a) the definition of the Ten Commandments was “covenant document” b) it cited no sources since 2001 who hold to them being pre-exilic
There is very clearly an academic consensus that the text wasn’t fixed. I’m literally just saying that there were three versions.
Please *in all future cases* consult with me before deleting my edits. IncandescentBliss ( talk) 21:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I was asked by u:IncandescentBliss to take a look at this dispute. I understand that this diff contains the contested changes. There are quite a lot of changes there and it's hard to discuss all of them at the same time. I would suggest discussing them one-by-one, starting from the most important one. Alaexis ¿question? 07:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Speaking as an American, some readers will look at this page hoping to find a list of the 10 commandments as we might see them displayed in the Bible or on say displays at state fund schools. I don't see that here. Did I miss them? DyslexicDeficit ( talk) 04:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)