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I'm changing the date given for the duration of her probation due to the fact that the Florida Department of Corrections website lists the year as 2015, not 2016. Note that it could be subject to further change. -- 65.35.34.48 17:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Edit: It appears the Florida DOC website is incapable of direct linking to offender flyers. You'll have to go here and search for her manually if you wish to see her probation flyer. -- 65.35.34.48 01:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Please stop adding every possible link under the sun to this article. Please do read WP:NOT. Please do not tamper with the IMDb template. — Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 20:37, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
I found that [1] is broken ... I removed it Abountu 17:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Get your facts straight, a Yahoo Group is not for profit. While Yahoo sells ads, so does every other site you have listed. The owner of a particular group makes no money. Unlike the Free Debra site you have had listed many times that is only in business to sell T-shirts.
How about IMDB, they sell ads and they are definitely for-profit? However, I deleted it to make sure I followed your lead.
Btw, nobody give's a rat's butt about Owen Lafave. He is not the story. He's only cashing in on the notoriety that Debra has brought him. A worthless link. Maybe it would be appropriate on Owen's page. Btw, does anybody ever visit your Owen Lafave page? lmao Do you even have one? lol
Nor does anybody care about Debra Lafave's teacher rating at Greco Middle School, either. Why? Well, in case you hadn't heard, she's not a teacher anymore so that link is irrelevant. Don't worry I'll delete that too for you.
I would also say the Greco Middle school link you had posted is irrelevant, as well. Do you really think people are clamoring to see a picture of her former school? Okay maybe one or two... ha ha ha
No, the reason people look for Wikipedia is to find information, news and photos about a subject. That's what forums like Yahoo groups offer.
So why don't leave well enough alone and quit deleting useful links before I have to ask one of the impartial editor's above you to review the situation. You already look pretty ridiculous based on your demonstrated understanding of basic logic but I don't mind embarrassing you further, if you want. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.243.249.219 ( talk • contribs) 13:37, November 26, 2005 (UTC)
So you think this is about self promotion? If that's what it was, why would I ever bother to correct the inaccurate info posted in the article?
The truth is that you were ignorant about Yahoo groups before and thus you only thought the link was there for self promotion. Now that you've been enlightened to the truth, you should be flexible enough to alter your perception based on the facts and not your personal assumptions.
Btw, you never answered my questions about the relevancy of the links that remain? As someone who so clearly sees the difference between bad and good links, you ought to be able to show why any of the aforementioned links deserve a place on Debra Lafave's page.
Btw, sorry you don't like my manner of disagreement. I don't like your manner of ill-informed decision making, either. But as an editor here, you should at least answer direct questions instead of avoiding issues. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.243.249.219 ( talk • contribs) 14:49, November 26, 2005 (UTC)
1. I'm not interested in winning you over. You've already demonstrated that isn't possible by your inability to value any constructive criticism directed toward you. Btw, I see from your talk page that a lot of other people have told you to go fuck yourself in your short stint as a Wikipedian editor. That should tell you something about your lack of ability to be flexible and unbiased.
2. Why do you back track so much? Obviously you were ignorant of Yahoo Groups before because you thought that group owners somehow profit from their site. I guess it's easy when you can edit out what's been said here anytime you want.
3. Court TV is yet another highly commercial link. Had the trial gone forward they would have even sold pay per view coverage of the trial. You said commercial links don't belong in Wikipedia. I guess you don't even follow your own guidelines, huh?
4. Again, Lafave is not a teacher anymore. If you bothered to scan the teacher ratings site, you'd see that most of the comments there were written after her arrest was well publicized. Also, anyone can add info on that site. It has no screening to tell whether comments there were actually made by the children she taught. Thus, it has very dubious credibility and should not be linked on this page.
5. Sure, go ahead and list Greco's site. No one cares about it except Greco! ha ha ha. In fact, I'm sure the school is so happy that Wikipedia wants to further the misery and unwanted notoriety they've experienced because of Debra Lafave by continuing to associate their school w/her.
1. As I said before, you are too inflexible to be won over. I feel sad for those that know you personally. I merely post here to further expose the foolish way your mind seems to work.
2. Of course, I'm objecting to the link to her former school. They do not wish to be associated w/her anymore than the real teacher's on the teacher rating site wish to be. Would you categorize her as a Mormon if the Church of Latter Day Saints had excommunicated her? I hope not but you a promoting the same type of fallacy if you label her a teacher. She's had her license revoked. If the same thing happened to a Dr. you wouldn't still call him Dr, would you?
3. You said "A Yahoo Group is for-profit, so that's out the window". So, if you follow your own stated link guidelines, then the IMDB, the teacher rating site, and Court TV should not be allowed because they are for-profit sites. I have already shown how suspect the info on rating site is but I guess your mind didn't fathom that concept.
4. Just a note about Court TV. To say they are neutral news source is almost idiotic. They exist and profit from sensationalizing true crime stories. The news they do bring is rather limited and does not include the exceptional local coverage of the case that is found in the Debra Lafave Yahoo group. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.243.249.219 ( talk • contribs) 17:50, November 26, 2005 (UTC)
Oh don't be so gay, Locke. You know exactly what you meant before when you said for-profit links weren't allowed. What you really meant is that links that you don't like can be excluded by the justification (phony claim) that they are for-profit. Links you personally think are worthy are allowed even if they are grossly for profit. Your worse than Dubya when it comes to revisionist history. lmao
Btw, you said earlier that the group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Debra_Lafave doesn't have much discussion. I challenge you to find any other site on the web that has had more discussion on a regular basis about this case over the last year and a half. If you can find ONE, I'll stop posting the link here!
You also indicated that I had added nothing here of merit. Well, these words are mine so maybe you should delete them from the article you pretend to care about so much.
"A sensational highlight to this case came to light in September 2005 when it was revealed that the Temple Terrace, FL, police ordered explicit nude photos be taken of Lafave's genital area while her feet were bound up in stirrups. The officer who ordered the photos was later charged with soliciting a prostitute and downloading pornography at work. He resigned after also being caught trying to cover up his actions on police department computers."
I also added the fact that she was sexually assaulted as a teenager to her background but, apparently, in your world of logic, that's somehow not pertinent to the case. How is that not important? ...added at 06:46, 28 November 2005 by 71.243.249.219
Actually, it doesn't really matter if they were Chinese characters or Japanese characters as the sentence reads as this:
And the allegation does say Chinese. If someone has a problem with that, take it up with the county sheriff's office, not with Wikipedia. — Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 23:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
An encyclopedia should be more concerned with facts than with the uninformed report of a police officer and a fourteen year old boy. added at 06:49, 28 November 2005 by 71.243.249.219
Then why don't you show some editing guts and just delete the whole article. Better yet, delete every article you find unworthy of Wikipedia, you Nazi. ... added at 11:57, 28 November 2005 by 71.243.249.219
Thank you for your consideration. -- Hoary 04:13, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
The opening page of the Yahoo Groups thing that our correspondent finds so worthy of linking reads:
Good National Enquirer (or Neighbors' Wives) material. Not encyclopedic, however. Thus I'm about to delete it yet again. -- Hoary 04:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Looks like humor to me, reinstating the link. Smut is defined as obscenity or pornography.
The Bible mentions many instances of sexual relations, too. Perhaps you'd like to edit that as well?
Aren't you the same guy who wrote a discourse on "Expletives"? Now that's what I call obscenity! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MagnaVox ( talk • contribs) 22:22, November 28, 2005 (UTC)
Oh yeah, and the link (that Locke keeps posted) to Lafave's teacher ratings is informative, right?
Here's a sample of the oh so informative material : [2]
Either you just don't read well or you are best buddies with Locke Cole. The two of you are merely WikiTrolls. When facts are demonstrated to you, you look the other way and pretend not to notice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MagnaVox ( talk • contribs) 02:31, November 29, 2005 (UTC)
Good decision, Hoary. There may be hope for a solution yet. I read where Locke was apprised that the link was awful days ago but he/she? wanted it up and would not back down. And no, I did not just call Locke a he-she. I simply don't know he or she's gender. ... added at 11:03, 29 November 2005 by MagnaVox
Our choice of links should be to add extra sources of information to the article. A site like this does not aid in understanding in any sense, and thus isn't linkworthy on Wikipedia. I have removed it again. If need be we can take this to RfC -- I suspect that, when it comes down to it, the consensus of the community will be to keep this link out. What purpose does this link serve? How does it help the article be better? -- Improv 04:40, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
To Improv: There is no other site on the web with more news articles on the Debra Lafave case. So, in that respect, it provides much more info than the WP article and info is the key to understanding. MagnaVox 15:53, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
To DreamGuy: You can only assume that my placing the link there is self-promotion. Do you have any proof that the site is mine? If so, let's hear it. MagnaVox 15:53, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Her name, according to the State of Florida, is Debra Jean Beasley (post-divorce). It's very likely then that her married name was Debra Jean Beasley Lafave. — Locke Cole 00:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Nope, not at all. Locke, this just proves your ignorance of American customs.
It's either Debra Beasley Lafave (married name) or Debra Jean Beasley (maiden name). In America, original last names are traditionally dropped and replaced by the middle name of a maiden name.
What you want to keep there is totally redundant. Btw, the FDLE does not list "Debra Jean Beasley Lafave" as her name as you claimed it did. MagnaVox 00:20, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Didn't the young guy gave consent,She did not rape him. There is a minimum age of consent and she cannot be technically called a statutory rapist but thats what the charges are for. I feel sorry for her actually. Many murderurs havent got so much exposure as her. 220.247.253.46 11:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Folks should read the statutes before you make such pronouncements. Consent is not a defense or relevant to the crimes charged. She was not charged with rape, but rather lewd and lascivious conduct with a person between the ages of 12 and 16. [1] One count of "engaging" in such acts and another alleging "exhibition," or performing sexual acts in the presence of the victim. Both are felonies under Florida law. [2] pointlessforest 03:05, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
being charged with lewd acts and pleading guilty are 2 diff things she was NOT charged with lewd acts she plead guilty in the deal the crown made
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THere should be mention of the very well known south park episode making fun of this case. the episode called "miss teacher bangs a boy", and it is a perfect satire of the situation, when kyle finds out that his preschool brother is having a relationship with his teacher, he goes to the cops and they start freaking out and treating it seriously but when they realize that the affair involves a sexually attractive teacher, they respond "nice...". The cops don't seem to mind, as she is an attractive female (believing that statutory rape is not a crime if the perpetrator is a beautiful woman). I really think there should be a mention of this in the article. The whole issue that she wasnt given a harsh punishment as a man or an ugly person should be written more about on this page, it was covered a lot in the news and shit. 24.166.154.108 ( talk) 21:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
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Would be helpful to know what happened when, dates for all sex encounters, and then how she was caught. Did the minor support turning her in, how did this happen.
Also agree taht her previously being sexually assaulted is indeed pertinent to this story. Thank you. 71.245.179.34 12:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
This case generates a lot of acrimony...
I was about to recategorize this article under "Statutory rapists", but after reading the discussion I'm not sure that's wise. -- Chris 22:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Why did you do what you did ? What went threw your head when you were doing this terrible, terrible this
- questions with no awnsers
Police took inappropriate pictures of Debra, as of September 14, 2005.Debra Lafave's Attorney John Fitzgibbons stated that Temple Terrace police took inappropriate photographs. The detective John Gillespie who investigated the case was arrested due to solicitation. He also the one who signed the search warrant that granted them to take sexual nude picutres of LaFave in stirrups while in a cell.
Question, why does the article not have more of this info? Also why is there no picture of Lafave?
On another note, why was the american public all in arms over this, he was 14 and she was 23. Last I recall in the states only 45 years prior 15 years olds married much older people. Atleast the relationship was normal.
-- Margrave1206 17:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
They did not want the public to find out that she was hot. Or that a 23 year old with a 14 year old is legal in Germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.206.110.245 ( talk) 07:41, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
I have removed the gratuitous sexual details that are in violation of official Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy. - Wikiwag 14:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe the surname is actually LaFave, not Lafave. This should be checked and, if this turns out to be correct, the article should be redirected to Debra LaFave. Gamer Junkie 02:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, discussion about a possible deletion was closed about half a year ago. Why is the note still present? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.176.145.142 ( talk) 09:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The US magazine cite is now a dead link. Frankly, Carter's attempt to boost his notoriety with this tale (whether or not it be true) is not necessary to this article, it concerned "normal" sex between teens, not unlike the experience of millions who are/were sexually active at an early age. I'm for deleting this info, otherwise it needs a better cite. 76.3.159.175 ( talk) 23:14, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Don't you think that Nick Carter of the backstreet boys could be the same person that have allegedly had sex with Debra in the school's washrooms? She was talking about such a classmate who'd done that to her on her NBC interview. Who else could it have been ? Who would Debra Lafave sleep with in the toilets other than the popular hotshot of the school Nick Carter?!!! 78.39.92.21 ( talk) 09:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)Goshtasp Nick Carter didn't go to the same school as her. They met at church. There is a photo of them together floating around Photobucket. They were involved when Nick was already in the early days of touring with BSB but friends were quoted as saying that the couple was very affectionate and they were inseparable when he was in town. Also there is an older article with Nick talking about losing his virginity. The story is basically the same except he doesn't name names. I think they definitely dated but he wasn't the one who roughed her up in the school washrooms. 97.81.78.63 ( talk) 06:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
This is one of a series of four women-teachers-molesting-male-students that first came to the media's attention some years back during a slow news period. Stories provided hours of titillating material to a gullible public who was led to believe that these four were the only women teachers in the world who had ever done this. When it became apparent to the media (if not the public) that this was fairly common, the media moved on to other material and neglected the category entirely.
It currently fails as a standalone article. Because of the huge volume of media attention at the time, it must be retained as a "noteworthy" something or other. These four articles should be merged together under some non- WP:OR title. Something shorter than "Four American women teachers convicted of sex crimes against male students from nnnn-nnnn."
See criteria at WP:PERP. LaFave fails these since the crime is far from exceptional, but rather common. See also discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)#Could_I_get_help_with_the_wording.... Student7 ( talk) 23:53, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
...i dreamed of a girl like her. And believe me, a german young man knows what he needs and he would like to be treated by an experienced woman. I will never understand your look at sexuality. I always thought, America is a free and openminded country. 79.223.115.159 ( talk) 08:03, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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I'm changing the date given for the duration of her probation due to the fact that the Florida Department of Corrections website lists the year as 2015, not 2016. Note that it could be subject to further change. -- 65.35.34.48 17:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Edit: It appears the Florida DOC website is incapable of direct linking to offender flyers. You'll have to go here and search for her manually if you wish to see her probation flyer. -- 65.35.34.48 01:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Please stop adding every possible link under the sun to this article. Please do read WP:NOT. Please do not tamper with the IMDb template. — Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 20:37, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
I found that [1] is broken ... I removed it Abountu 17:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Get your facts straight, a Yahoo Group is not for profit. While Yahoo sells ads, so does every other site you have listed. The owner of a particular group makes no money. Unlike the Free Debra site you have had listed many times that is only in business to sell T-shirts.
How about IMDB, they sell ads and they are definitely for-profit? However, I deleted it to make sure I followed your lead.
Btw, nobody give's a rat's butt about Owen Lafave. He is not the story. He's only cashing in on the notoriety that Debra has brought him. A worthless link. Maybe it would be appropriate on Owen's page. Btw, does anybody ever visit your Owen Lafave page? lmao Do you even have one? lol
Nor does anybody care about Debra Lafave's teacher rating at Greco Middle School, either. Why? Well, in case you hadn't heard, she's not a teacher anymore so that link is irrelevant. Don't worry I'll delete that too for you.
I would also say the Greco Middle school link you had posted is irrelevant, as well. Do you really think people are clamoring to see a picture of her former school? Okay maybe one or two... ha ha ha
No, the reason people look for Wikipedia is to find information, news and photos about a subject. That's what forums like Yahoo groups offer.
So why don't leave well enough alone and quit deleting useful links before I have to ask one of the impartial editor's above you to review the situation. You already look pretty ridiculous based on your demonstrated understanding of basic logic but I don't mind embarrassing you further, if you want. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.243.249.219 ( talk • contribs) 13:37, November 26, 2005 (UTC)
So you think this is about self promotion? If that's what it was, why would I ever bother to correct the inaccurate info posted in the article?
The truth is that you were ignorant about Yahoo groups before and thus you only thought the link was there for self promotion. Now that you've been enlightened to the truth, you should be flexible enough to alter your perception based on the facts and not your personal assumptions.
Btw, you never answered my questions about the relevancy of the links that remain? As someone who so clearly sees the difference between bad and good links, you ought to be able to show why any of the aforementioned links deserve a place on Debra Lafave's page.
Btw, sorry you don't like my manner of disagreement. I don't like your manner of ill-informed decision making, either. But as an editor here, you should at least answer direct questions instead of avoiding issues. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.243.249.219 ( talk • contribs) 14:49, November 26, 2005 (UTC)
1. I'm not interested in winning you over. You've already demonstrated that isn't possible by your inability to value any constructive criticism directed toward you. Btw, I see from your talk page that a lot of other people have told you to go fuck yourself in your short stint as a Wikipedian editor. That should tell you something about your lack of ability to be flexible and unbiased.
2. Why do you back track so much? Obviously you were ignorant of Yahoo Groups before because you thought that group owners somehow profit from their site. I guess it's easy when you can edit out what's been said here anytime you want.
3. Court TV is yet another highly commercial link. Had the trial gone forward they would have even sold pay per view coverage of the trial. You said commercial links don't belong in Wikipedia. I guess you don't even follow your own guidelines, huh?
4. Again, Lafave is not a teacher anymore. If you bothered to scan the teacher ratings site, you'd see that most of the comments there were written after her arrest was well publicized. Also, anyone can add info on that site. It has no screening to tell whether comments there were actually made by the children she taught. Thus, it has very dubious credibility and should not be linked on this page.
5. Sure, go ahead and list Greco's site. No one cares about it except Greco! ha ha ha. In fact, I'm sure the school is so happy that Wikipedia wants to further the misery and unwanted notoriety they've experienced because of Debra Lafave by continuing to associate their school w/her.
1. As I said before, you are too inflexible to be won over. I feel sad for those that know you personally. I merely post here to further expose the foolish way your mind seems to work.
2. Of course, I'm objecting to the link to her former school. They do not wish to be associated w/her anymore than the real teacher's on the teacher rating site wish to be. Would you categorize her as a Mormon if the Church of Latter Day Saints had excommunicated her? I hope not but you a promoting the same type of fallacy if you label her a teacher. She's had her license revoked. If the same thing happened to a Dr. you wouldn't still call him Dr, would you?
3. You said "A Yahoo Group is for-profit, so that's out the window". So, if you follow your own stated link guidelines, then the IMDB, the teacher rating site, and Court TV should not be allowed because they are for-profit sites. I have already shown how suspect the info on rating site is but I guess your mind didn't fathom that concept.
4. Just a note about Court TV. To say they are neutral news source is almost idiotic. They exist and profit from sensationalizing true crime stories. The news they do bring is rather limited and does not include the exceptional local coverage of the case that is found in the Debra Lafave Yahoo group. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.243.249.219 ( talk • contribs) 17:50, November 26, 2005 (UTC)
Oh don't be so gay, Locke. You know exactly what you meant before when you said for-profit links weren't allowed. What you really meant is that links that you don't like can be excluded by the justification (phony claim) that they are for-profit. Links you personally think are worthy are allowed even if they are grossly for profit. Your worse than Dubya when it comes to revisionist history. lmao
Btw, you said earlier that the group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Debra_Lafave doesn't have much discussion. I challenge you to find any other site on the web that has had more discussion on a regular basis about this case over the last year and a half. If you can find ONE, I'll stop posting the link here!
You also indicated that I had added nothing here of merit. Well, these words are mine so maybe you should delete them from the article you pretend to care about so much.
"A sensational highlight to this case came to light in September 2005 when it was revealed that the Temple Terrace, FL, police ordered explicit nude photos be taken of Lafave's genital area while her feet were bound up in stirrups. The officer who ordered the photos was later charged with soliciting a prostitute and downloading pornography at work. He resigned after also being caught trying to cover up his actions on police department computers."
I also added the fact that she was sexually assaulted as a teenager to her background but, apparently, in your world of logic, that's somehow not pertinent to the case. How is that not important? ...added at 06:46, 28 November 2005 by 71.243.249.219
Actually, it doesn't really matter if they were Chinese characters or Japanese characters as the sentence reads as this:
And the allegation does say Chinese. If someone has a problem with that, take it up with the county sheriff's office, not with Wikipedia. — Locke Cole (talk) (e-mail) 23:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
An encyclopedia should be more concerned with facts than with the uninformed report of a police officer and a fourteen year old boy. added at 06:49, 28 November 2005 by 71.243.249.219
Then why don't you show some editing guts and just delete the whole article. Better yet, delete every article you find unworthy of Wikipedia, you Nazi. ... added at 11:57, 28 November 2005 by 71.243.249.219
Thank you for your consideration. -- Hoary 04:13, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
The opening page of the Yahoo Groups thing that our correspondent finds so worthy of linking reads:
Good National Enquirer (or Neighbors' Wives) material. Not encyclopedic, however. Thus I'm about to delete it yet again. -- Hoary 04:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Looks like humor to me, reinstating the link. Smut is defined as obscenity or pornography.
The Bible mentions many instances of sexual relations, too. Perhaps you'd like to edit that as well?
Aren't you the same guy who wrote a discourse on "Expletives"? Now that's what I call obscenity! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MagnaVox ( talk • contribs) 22:22, November 28, 2005 (UTC)
Oh yeah, and the link (that Locke keeps posted) to Lafave's teacher ratings is informative, right?
Here's a sample of the oh so informative material : [2]
Either you just don't read well or you are best buddies with Locke Cole. The two of you are merely WikiTrolls. When facts are demonstrated to you, you look the other way and pretend not to notice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MagnaVox ( talk • contribs) 02:31, November 29, 2005 (UTC)
Good decision, Hoary. There may be hope for a solution yet. I read where Locke was apprised that the link was awful days ago but he/she? wanted it up and would not back down. And no, I did not just call Locke a he-she. I simply don't know he or she's gender. ... added at 11:03, 29 November 2005 by MagnaVox
Our choice of links should be to add extra sources of information to the article. A site like this does not aid in understanding in any sense, and thus isn't linkworthy on Wikipedia. I have removed it again. If need be we can take this to RfC -- I suspect that, when it comes down to it, the consensus of the community will be to keep this link out. What purpose does this link serve? How does it help the article be better? -- Improv 04:40, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
To Improv: There is no other site on the web with more news articles on the Debra Lafave case. So, in that respect, it provides much more info than the WP article and info is the key to understanding. MagnaVox 15:53, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
To DreamGuy: You can only assume that my placing the link there is self-promotion. Do you have any proof that the site is mine? If so, let's hear it. MagnaVox 15:53, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Her name, according to the State of Florida, is Debra Jean Beasley (post-divorce). It's very likely then that her married name was Debra Jean Beasley Lafave. — Locke Cole 00:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Nope, not at all. Locke, this just proves your ignorance of American customs.
It's either Debra Beasley Lafave (married name) or Debra Jean Beasley (maiden name). In America, original last names are traditionally dropped and replaced by the middle name of a maiden name.
What you want to keep there is totally redundant. Btw, the FDLE does not list "Debra Jean Beasley Lafave" as her name as you claimed it did. MagnaVox 00:20, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Didn't the young guy gave consent,She did not rape him. There is a minimum age of consent and she cannot be technically called a statutory rapist but thats what the charges are for. I feel sorry for her actually. Many murderurs havent got so much exposure as her. 220.247.253.46 11:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Folks should read the statutes before you make such pronouncements. Consent is not a defense or relevant to the crimes charged. She was not charged with rape, but rather lewd and lascivious conduct with a person between the ages of 12 and 16. [1] One count of "engaging" in such acts and another alleging "exhibition," or performing sexual acts in the presence of the victim. Both are felonies under Florida law. [2] pointlessforest 03:05, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
being charged with lewd acts and pleading guilty are 2 diff things she was NOT charged with lewd acts she plead guilty in the deal the crown made
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15:21, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
THere should be mention of the very well known south park episode making fun of this case. the episode called "miss teacher bangs a boy", and it is a perfect satire of the situation, when kyle finds out that his preschool brother is having a relationship with his teacher, he goes to the cops and they start freaking out and treating it seriously but when they realize that the affair involves a sexually attractive teacher, they respond "nice...". The cops don't seem to mind, as she is an attractive female (believing that statutory rape is not a crime if the perpetrator is a beautiful woman). I really think there should be a mention of this in the article. The whole issue that she wasnt given a harsh punishment as a man or an ugly person should be written more about on this page, it was covered a lot in the news and shit. 24.166.154.108 ( talk) 21:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
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Would be helpful to know what happened when, dates for all sex encounters, and then how she was caught. Did the minor support turning her in, how did this happen.
Also agree taht her previously being sexually assaulted is indeed pertinent to this story. Thank you. 71.245.179.34 12:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
This case generates a lot of acrimony...
I was about to recategorize this article under "Statutory rapists", but after reading the discussion I'm not sure that's wise. -- Chris 22:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Why did you do what you did ? What went threw your head when you were doing this terrible, terrible this
- questions with no awnsers
Police took inappropriate pictures of Debra, as of September 14, 2005.Debra Lafave's Attorney John Fitzgibbons stated that Temple Terrace police took inappropriate photographs. The detective John Gillespie who investigated the case was arrested due to solicitation. He also the one who signed the search warrant that granted them to take sexual nude picutres of LaFave in stirrups while in a cell.
Question, why does the article not have more of this info? Also why is there no picture of Lafave?
On another note, why was the american public all in arms over this, he was 14 and she was 23. Last I recall in the states only 45 years prior 15 years olds married much older people. Atleast the relationship was normal.
-- Margrave1206 17:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
They did not want the public to find out that she was hot. Or that a 23 year old with a 14 year old is legal in Germany. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.206.110.245 ( talk) 07:41, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
I have removed the gratuitous sexual details that are in violation of official Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy. - Wikiwag 14:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I believe the surname is actually LaFave, not Lafave. This should be checked and, if this turns out to be correct, the article should be redirected to Debra LaFave. Gamer Junkie 02:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, discussion about a possible deletion was closed about half a year ago. Why is the note still present? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.176.145.142 ( talk) 09:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
The US magazine cite is now a dead link. Frankly, Carter's attempt to boost his notoriety with this tale (whether or not it be true) is not necessary to this article, it concerned "normal" sex between teens, not unlike the experience of millions who are/were sexually active at an early age. I'm for deleting this info, otherwise it needs a better cite. 76.3.159.175 ( talk) 23:14, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Don't you think that Nick Carter of the backstreet boys could be the same person that have allegedly had sex with Debra in the school's washrooms? She was talking about such a classmate who'd done that to her on her NBC interview. Who else could it have been ? Who would Debra Lafave sleep with in the toilets other than the popular hotshot of the school Nick Carter?!!! 78.39.92.21 ( talk) 09:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)Goshtasp Nick Carter didn't go to the same school as her. They met at church. There is a photo of them together floating around Photobucket. They were involved when Nick was already in the early days of touring with BSB but friends were quoted as saying that the couple was very affectionate and they were inseparable when he was in town. Also there is an older article with Nick talking about losing his virginity. The story is basically the same except he doesn't name names. I think they definitely dated but he wasn't the one who roughed her up in the school washrooms. 97.81.78.63 ( talk) 06:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
This is one of a series of four women-teachers-molesting-male-students that first came to the media's attention some years back during a slow news period. Stories provided hours of titillating material to a gullible public who was led to believe that these four were the only women teachers in the world who had ever done this. When it became apparent to the media (if not the public) that this was fairly common, the media moved on to other material and neglected the category entirely.
It currently fails as a standalone article. Because of the huge volume of media attention at the time, it must be retained as a "noteworthy" something or other. These four articles should be merged together under some non- WP:OR title. Something shorter than "Four American women teachers convicted of sex crimes against male students from nnnn-nnnn."
See criteria at WP:PERP. LaFave fails these since the crime is far from exceptional, but rather common. See also discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)#Could_I_get_help_with_the_wording.... Student7 ( talk) 23:53, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
...i dreamed of a girl like her. And believe me, a german young man knows what he needs and he would like to be treated by an experienced woman. I will never understand your look at sexuality. I always thought, America is a free and openminded country. 79.223.115.159 ( talk) 08:03, 21 June 2024 (UTC)