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A user added James Earl Jones without a source (I imagine as vandalism), and it’s caused a lot of confusion on twitter and Facebook. This Dead People website just publishes whatever is added to Wikipedia and thus since they saw Jones posted a quick write up. This isn’t a reliable source and it’s just sourcing Wikipedia. Rusted AutoParts 01:04, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Am I wrong to have changed the COD on Marina Ripa di Meana from "palliative sedation" to cancer?
Per the entry for palliative sedation: "It is not a form of euthanasia, as the goal of palliative sedation is to control symptoms, rather than to shorten the patient's life." Skudrafan1 ( talk) 15:51, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
There's this back and forth over Anderton dying on the 6th or 7th and the same is occurring at the Simple English Wikipedia based on the events going on in this article. What is the actual certain date of death? I saw the first obit website and it said 7th but on PM Jacinda Ardern's Twitter account it says 6th. -- TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk) 17:21, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Her being the first female general officer in the United States armed forces is a much greater factor in her notability than having headed the Army Nurse Corps,which interests a small fraction of as many people.This is John B. Anderson all over again...fame outside the workplace comes overwhelmingly from something allegedly "trivial". 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 14:55, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
From the editor who removed it: Firstly, it isn't Anderson "all over again" nor trivial. Don't fire shots across the bow here. Secondly, I didn't remove it because I "phone things in b/c of their mobile devices and how it displays." I couldn't give a toss as to how things look here, except for full references. I am usually the one who adds their notability outside of their copypasted basic info from their articles. Thirdly, in my removal I stated we normally don't list "firsts" here, allowing open and civil discussion...or so I thought. Listing first in anything could lead to most everyone here being first in their respective fields, genders, or nationalities. As a former military man, I applauded Hays, even sharing her death and her gender notability on social media. Put her back in, I won't revert it, because my editing days here are over. Farewell, Punchinellos. — Wylie pedia 05:29, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Restored. — Wylie pedia 23:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Sorry. Am I missing something? Surely the most significant part of an ethnicity or nationality is in the here-and-now, when it comes to producing inline descriptions for the page. There appears to be a (sudden?) penchant for introducing the long-retired (1991) Soviet state's descriptor into all things Russian from that era, just because (it seems to me) the sources used are obsessed with including it in their own articles. If there's some past consensus relating to this issue which supports free use of the term in addition to true nationality, point me to it (and it is an issue, because editors who keep sticking the word in might be perceived as political sympathisers of the broken Union and not completely neutral). Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 09:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Well guys. Are we including nationality or country location for Nico or are we not? I recall in conversations about previous animal entries that nationalities and locations would not be applied in the Deaths page to notable animal deaths (irrespective of whether the necessary Wikipedia article specifies same in it's lead sentence). There appears to be some yo-yoing at the moment for Nico. Thoughts? Ref (chew) (do) 15:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Though I was one who reverted nationalities for animals based on consensus (which I recall was to NOT include them), I'm perfectly fine with establishing (new?) rules based on consensus. In this specific matter, I even second the idea of nationalities for animals, so not only I will cease and desist from the reverting, but also add my vote to that. Since this looks like one of the rules which most often is debated, I also suggest we set it into stone and amend the guidelines. On second thought, I'm doing it now. REDGOLPE ( TALK) 11:18, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Twice now, Chick Webster's "soldier" descriptor has been removed.
I get that his 14 Rangers games are the hipper thing since Milt Schmidt died last year, but in the big picture, isn't risking your life across Europe to help beat Hitler a little more important? I say it is, as a hockey fan and an anti-war guy. At least an equally big deal as lacing up a few times in the Garden. The man was a Legion member for long after his service ended; it wasn't like World War II was just a blip in the hockey career. He's wearing his medals and a poppy in his local obit pic, not a jersey. You don't always choose your obit pic, but it tells you what people who knew you thought you should be remembered for. The Canadian Press didn't know him as well, but still notes his war contribution.
I won't revert these two guys who didn't know him when they say he was known for hockey alone, but I'll damn (damn damn) sure make a bit of a stink about it. Fallen soldiers are meant to be remembered, no matter when they fall. The rest of the English-speaking world has generally agreed upon that, it's time Wikipedia caught up. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:18, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
As it's not an office to be chased or held, I say it doesn't. There's no politicking to it. You don't need votes, so don't ask for them in the many ways American senators or Canadian mayors do. It can take a bit of schmoozing with the right people, but so can every job. More of a governor, legislator or committee member. Like what politicians become if they win and retain, but without the political angles.
Tommy Banks' lead sentence defined him as six things in life as it describes him now, and not one of those is a politician. The inline obit used here doesn't verify the claim, either. He's categorized as a 21st-century one at the bottom of his page, but that's about it. Even that's a bit misleading, because he started in 2000.
Rather than remove it a third time, have WWGB restore it a third time (reasoning "fmt") and have us both thrown off of Wikipedia forever, let's discuss it like gentleman in this smoke-filled back room. Shall we remember Banks for something he never did, so soon after agreeing to forget five years of Webster legitimately and reportedly defeating Hitler's army? If this were a political agreement, that rhetorical question alone would clinch it. But this is a senatorial dispute, so that's an actual question. Aye? Nay? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:56, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
The Senate of Canada is a component of Parliament, so it’s pretty clear a senator in Canada operates in politics. It’s not incorrect to call Banks a politician. Rusted AutoParts 17:23, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Do Yanks and Brits see anything different from what Canucks do when Googling "capitalize senator" or "capitalise Senator"? Seems the thing to do is lowercase when talking about the job, uppercase when referring to the person or substituting it for their name. We have a lot of capitalized job descriptions here, and have for a while. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:52, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello all. I hate to drag anyone into the nightmare that is longevity fancruft on Wikipedia (one which only died down in intensity after ARBCOM got involved), but I think that the title of "world's oldest man" should be removed from Francisco Núñez Olivera's entry, because it is not verifiable by any school of consensus on the project. There are some who think that only those recognized by Guinness World Records should qualify - he has not been recognized by them. There are those who think that anyone "verified" by an organization qualified to do so, like the Gerontology Research Group should qualify - again, he has not be recognized by anyone. Then there's those who claim that any claim should be recognized, but then there are plenty of men who claimed to be older than Olivera, so why pick his claim as the most credible? At the very least, "claimant to the title" should be added as a caveat. I would have just done this myself, but this is a touchy topic on the project and one that can be confusing for anyone dragged into it without knowing the context, so some discussion is valuable. Canadian Paul 15:00, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Good point too Derek, and let's leave it at that I think. Ref (chew) (do) 20:38, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Currently looking for sources better (much, much better) than Facebook in order to include him in the Deaths list. As far as I know, despite any guidance to the contrary in Wikipedia help pages, we do not use Facebook or Twitter here. Even his Wikipedia article fails to acknowledge his passing. Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 17:49, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
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A user added James Earl Jones without a source (I imagine as vandalism), and it’s caused a lot of confusion on twitter and Facebook. This Dead People website just publishes whatever is added to Wikipedia and thus since they saw Jones posted a quick write up. This isn’t a reliable source and it’s just sourcing Wikipedia. Rusted AutoParts 01:04, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Am I wrong to have changed the COD on Marina Ripa di Meana from "palliative sedation" to cancer?
Per the entry for palliative sedation: "It is not a form of euthanasia, as the goal of palliative sedation is to control symptoms, rather than to shorten the patient's life." Skudrafan1 ( talk) 15:51, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
There's this back and forth over Anderton dying on the 6th or 7th and the same is occurring at the Simple English Wikipedia based on the events going on in this article. What is the actual certain date of death? I saw the first obit website and it said 7th but on PM Jacinda Ardern's Twitter account it says 6th. -- TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk) 17:21, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Her being the first female general officer in the United States armed forces is a much greater factor in her notability than having headed the Army Nurse Corps,which interests a small fraction of as many people.This is John B. Anderson all over again...fame outside the workplace comes overwhelmingly from something allegedly "trivial". 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 14:55, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
From the editor who removed it: Firstly, it isn't Anderson "all over again" nor trivial. Don't fire shots across the bow here. Secondly, I didn't remove it because I "phone things in b/c of their mobile devices and how it displays." I couldn't give a toss as to how things look here, except for full references. I am usually the one who adds their notability outside of their copypasted basic info from their articles. Thirdly, in my removal I stated we normally don't list "firsts" here, allowing open and civil discussion...or so I thought. Listing first in anything could lead to most everyone here being first in their respective fields, genders, or nationalities. As a former military man, I applauded Hays, even sharing her death and her gender notability on social media. Put her back in, I won't revert it, because my editing days here are over. Farewell, Punchinellos. — Wylie pedia 05:29, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Restored. — Wylie pedia 23:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Sorry. Am I missing something? Surely the most significant part of an ethnicity or nationality is in the here-and-now, when it comes to producing inline descriptions for the page. There appears to be a (sudden?) penchant for introducing the long-retired (1991) Soviet state's descriptor into all things Russian from that era, just because (it seems to me) the sources used are obsessed with including it in their own articles. If there's some past consensus relating to this issue which supports free use of the term in addition to true nationality, point me to it (and it is an issue, because editors who keep sticking the word in might be perceived as political sympathisers of the broken Union and not completely neutral). Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 09:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Well guys. Are we including nationality or country location for Nico or are we not? I recall in conversations about previous animal entries that nationalities and locations would not be applied in the Deaths page to notable animal deaths (irrespective of whether the necessary Wikipedia article specifies same in it's lead sentence). There appears to be some yo-yoing at the moment for Nico. Thoughts? Ref (chew) (do) 15:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Though I was one who reverted nationalities for animals based on consensus (which I recall was to NOT include them), I'm perfectly fine with establishing (new?) rules based on consensus. In this specific matter, I even second the idea of nationalities for animals, so not only I will cease and desist from the reverting, but also add my vote to that. Since this looks like one of the rules which most often is debated, I also suggest we set it into stone and amend the guidelines. On second thought, I'm doing it now. REDGOLPE ( TALK) 11:18, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Twice now, Chick Webster's "soldier" descriptor has been removed.
I get that his 14 Rangers games are the hipper thing since Milt Schmidt died last year, but in the big picture, isn't risking your life across Europe to help beat Hitler a little more important? I say it is, as a hockey fan and an anti-war guy. At least an equally big deal as lacing up a few times in the Garden. The man was a Legion member for long after his service ended; it wasn't like World War II was just a blip in the hockey career. He's wearing his medals and a poppy in his local obit pic, not a jersey. You don't always choose your obit pic, but it tells you what people who knew you thought you should be remembered for. The Canadian Press didn't know him as well, but still notes his war contribution.
I won't revert these two guys who didn't know him when they say he was known for hockey alone, but I'll damn (damn damn) sure make a bit of a stink about it. Fallen soldiers are meant to be remembered, no matter when they fall. The rest of the English-speaking world has generally agreed upon that, it's time Wikipedia caught up. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:18, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
As it's not an office to be chased or held, I say it doesn't. There's no politicking to it. You don't need votes, so don't ask for them in the many ways American senators or Canadian mayors do. It can take a bit of schmoozing with the right people, but so can every job. More of a governor, legislator or committee member. Like what politicians become if they win and retain, but without the political angles.
Tommy Banks' lead sentence defined him as six things in life as it describes him now, and not one of those is a politician. The inline obit used here doesn't verify the claim, either. He's categorized as a 21st-century one at the bottom of his page, but that's about it. Even that's a bit misleading, because he started in 2000.
Rather than remove it a third time, have WWGB restore it a third time (reasoning "fmt") and have us both thrown off of Wikipedia forever, let's discuss it like gentleman in this smoke-filled back room. Shall we remember Banks for something he never did, so soon after agreeing to forget five years of Webster legitimately and reportedly defeating Hitler's army? If this were a political agreement, that rhetorical question alone would clinch it. But this is a senatorial dispute, so that's an actual question. Aye? Nay? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:56, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
The Senate of Canada is a component of Parliament, so it’s pretty clear a senator in Canada operates in politics. It’s not incorrect to call Banks a politician. Rusted AutoParts 17:23, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Do Yanks and Brits see anything different from what Canucks do when Googling "capitalize senator" or "capitalise Senator"? Seems the thing to do is lowercase when talking about the job, uppercase when referring to the person or substituting it for their name. We have a lot of capitalized job descriptions here, and have for a while. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:52, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello all. I hate to drag anyone into the nightmare that is longevity fancruft on Wikipedia (one which only died down in intensity after ARBCOM got involved), but I think that the title of "world's oldest man" should be removed from Francisco Núñez Olivera's entry, because it is not verifiable by any school of consensus on the project. There are some who think that only those recognized by Guinness World Records should qualify - he has not been recognized by them. There are those who think that anyone "verified" by an organization qualified to do so, like the Gerontology Research Group should qualify - again, he has not be recognized by anyone. Then there's those who claim that any claim should be recognized, but then there are plenty of men who claimed to be older than Olivera, so why pick his claim as the most credible? At the very least, "claimant to the title" should be added as a caveat. I would have just done this myself, but this is a touchy topic on the project and one that can be confusing for anyone dragged into it without knowing the context, so some discussion is valuable. Canadian Paul 15:00, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Good point too Derek, and let's leave it at that I think. Ref (chew) (do) 20:38, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Currently looking for sources better (much, much better) than Facebook in order to include him in the Deaths list. As far as I know, despite any guidance to the contrary in Wikipedia help pages, we do not use Facebook or Twitter here. Even his Wikipedia article fails to acknowledge his passing. Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 17:49, 1 February 2018 (UTC)