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Please stop linking every single cause of death, even when someone else died of the same thing two names up. There's absolutely no need, it's just difficult-to-read overlinking and most of the time it doesn't even seem to be done properly (FYI: "heart attack" redirects to myocardial infarction, as you can see from the one that's already linked). Thanks tomasz. 17:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't have a particular opinion either way, but if we do decide to delink all but one cause, maybe we can do the same for things like "American," "British," "boxer" etc. Just reduce them to one instance. Canadian Paul 02:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I have previously stated this in Talk:Deaths in 2006, but I think that instead of external links, we should have references. -- Thelb 4 08:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Don't get me wrong, Thelb4. I know you're just trying to improve the quality of the page. Maybe going through old Deaths in XXX YY pages and converting them to bottom references is the way to go, as its unlikely after a month or so after-the-fact that anyone would be adding new references. Syrthiss 13:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm a relative newby to this - but my vote would be to leave things as they are. I'm very pleased with the current look of the embedded html link versus a reference. Tom M. 14:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I think inline references are the way to go, here.. for example, what if somebody wanted to print off the page? all they have are numbers.. you can't mouse-over something in a print out. and the argument that they will take up too much space isn't a good one.. haven't you seen any featured articles lately? it's better to be thourough. 131.111.8.104 14:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Since this page will also include notable animals which have died, this line should be modified to include that.--Do Not Talk About Feitclub ( contributions) 21:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
The addition of a Russian-language video link for Murat Nasyrov caused me to reflect on the relevance of references in languages other than English. Should a death be reported on the English-language Wikipedia site even though there are NO English references to the death? Perhaps in such cases the reporting of the death should be limited to the Wikipedia site in the first language of the deceased? How "notable" are these people outside their own country? WWGB 11:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
But that is the point: if the Norwegian writer is only notable to Norwegians, is that notable enough for this list? A lot more Norwegians are notable to Norwegians than to the rest of the world, so of course there is not only one standard of notability. If the death is not reported in English somewhere in the world, then probably the person isn't "en.wikipedia.org-notable". ESPECIALLY when no one has even been bothered to write an article telling the world why the person is notable! 80.225.0.12 00:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
The intro this article is a bit too self-referential... with all the instructions and all. Article text should exist for readers, not editors of the article, as for every 1 person who edits the article, hundreds of people read it and the instructions are of no interest to them. I suggest "commenting it out" so editors see it but casual readers don't. -- W.marsh 00:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering why the specialized sites that are usually listed after the obituary sites (sites such as Find a Grave), are left off of the page practically every month. In January, the Specialized Sites list was transferred but left off several sites, and there are no specialized sites listed this month. This may have happened last year as well, but I just wanted to know why this happens. SailorAlphaCentauri 16:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Regular editors tend to keep the length of entries to a reasonably consistent standard. That can be achieved by limiting the number of achievements listed for the deceased, using conventional abbreviations and restricting the number of references to 1 or 2. While a maximum length of one line may be a desirable target, what fits on to one line will vary according to the individual's monitor size and computer settings. What overflows to a second line on one screen may fit perfectly well on one line in a different environment. WWGB 05:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Please include the deceased's nationality and link to the page on his/her country of origin between the person's age and reason for notability (like it says right at the top of the page in the instructions for formatting entries). Someone keeps insisting on placing the nationality notation in parentheses at the end of the entry (i.e. (Lithuanian), (Italian)), making more work for the others who have to rework each of these improperly formatted entries. Finduilas 09 11:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone advise the correct protocol if a person may have more than one perceived nationality. For example, I note one person is described as a 'Chinese born Australian' but other individuals are simply called American or Australian despite being born elsewhere. I'm not sure which is preferable, but I would expect it to be consistent. Any advice? MrsPlum ( talk) 08:56, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I relatively new to this so forgive my ignorance. How does one cause a reference NOT to refer to someone? For Example (only) if I want to refer to Abraham Lincoln who was the conductor of the NY Philharmonic versus the President of the USA how do I do that? If I put [ [Abraham Lincoln] ] it obviously refers to the President but if I want it to refer to the other guy, who as yet may not have his own Wikipedia page, how do I do that? I know one option is to simply leave out the [[ ]]... but is there another way? Tom M. 14:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Helps a great deal! Thank you. And the Manual of Style is very helpful to bookmark. I appreciate your quick response. Tom M. 15:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I noticed and fixed alot of recent articles (within the past five days) of people who died that were not tagged with {{recent death}}. Shouldn't there be something somewheres on the page to note contributors that when someone notable dies they should tag the articles with this? - 24.92.43.153 06:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Greetings, might I ask why people use WIKILINKS when the article doesn't link to anything? People, please! Functionality! There is NO need for a link, and in fact it is inefficient to do so, if there is nothing at the other end. Worse, articles that could be written aren't because people assume that since there's a link, there must be an article.
Now, maybe I've done it too, out of habit or simply following the herd. May I suggest that everyone STOP adding Wikilinks unless there's something to link to or you plan to start the article in the next few minutes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ryoung122 ( talk • contribs) 12:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC).
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“ | May I suggest that everyone STOP adding Wikilinks unless there's something to link to or you plan to start the article in the next few minutes. | ” |
Greetings, historically, ? are used for cases where an age claim is extremely dubious/probably exaggerated (such as 125? or 118?). "Circa" is usually used only for persons where an exact date of birth is uncertain, but the age given is considered to be a 'best guess'.
The issue is especially pertinent to "world's oldest person" claimants. If someone claims to be 132 but is really 102, and we put down c132, we are implying endorsement of a false age. But if we put 132?, we alert the reader to the possibility that the age claimed may be off by a lot.→ R Young { yakł talk} 12:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Greetings,
Some sources tend to round up the ages of persons who die a few months before the birthday. If the birthdate is given as May 1901 and they died Jan 2007, the correct age is, sorry, 105 NOT 106.
→ R Young { yakł talk} 12:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Greetings, it is traditional in some Asian countries to begin counting ages at '1.' Usually this becomes apparent if you see a claim where the person was "born in Feb 1901, died in Mar 2007" at age 107. Sorry, the correct age would be '106'.→ R Young { yakł talk} 12:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I just proposed the following wikiproject Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Recently Deceased Biographies to help those articles about recently deseased people attain the highest quality. Let me know if anyone is interested in this. Remember 14:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
What is the average way to die nowadays? - Yancyfry 03:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, I guess I mean average disease. -- Yancyfry 03:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the external links posted next to the names be changed into actual references as stated in Wikipedia:Citing sources, rather than straight external links? — The Future 00:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
An editor has persisted in abbreviating the entry for a number of recent deaths, paring back to terms like "academic" or "television presenter". The guidelines for this section ask for a "reason for notability". These people are not notable merely for holding the above positions, but because they were the first female chancellor, first television presenter etc. Some extra wording is therefore essential. WWGB 23:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
This could be a bad thing, because anons and new users quite likely often add new death notices. What do you think?-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 20:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Am I wrong to question the notability of "James Capozzola, 44, American blogger, brain hemorrhage"... While tragic like all deaths, I fail to see why this fellow, a political blogger, is notable and/or meets the Wikipedia notability guidelines. Tom M. 20:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I did post the death and, believing I had 30 days, began obtaining information about Mr. Binder, his accomplishments at ABC News (a major US Network), including numerous war assignments and awards. However, before I could complete this, the listing was deleted nearly immediately with the comment "(i don't see how a cameraman for a news station in general is notable. Is this guy special somehow and did something notable?)" I had hoped I would have had a chance to establish the answers to these questions prior to deletion and exactly why I sought guidance before listing to begin with. I also felt his death responding to a prominent news event (Westroads Mall Massacre) made it timely and relevant. Unsure if I should continue working on an article. OneHappyHusky ( talk) 01:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I've created a news feed off of this page's data. It's not perfect and occasionally picks up vandalism, but it's interesting enough to be useful to me. :) Jdavidb ( talk • contribs) 21:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, Ok, I can't stand it any longer. I accepted that Tomasz had a particular interest in this matter, but now it seems that Tom has caught the same bug. Why does one need to redirect "heart attack" to "myocardial infarction"? There is a redirect page in place that does exactly the same thing anyway without intervention. It's not a case of disambiguation, just a redirect that occurs automatically. Typing "myocardial infarction|heart attack" achieves only what the computer was about to do. Sorry, but I just don't get it ... Regards, WWGB 14:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Not everyone who gets listed really should get a page on Wikipedia. Band members whose only notability is being part of a band come to mind - those should redirect to band page.
Discuss. Guroadrunner 21:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I think we should have standard format for all. Korean and Chinese often have their last names first and it ckinda mess up the visual of the list. Abdelkweli 16:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
If this article is for notable deaths, why the redlinks? This might also solve the references matter. Necessary references would then be found in the subject's article and needed not be repeated here. Rklawton 14:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
A death is not notable because the person who died has a WP article.
There are people who are notable and yet do not have a WP article. All their deaths are however notable. And that is proven by the reliable references of those deaths that people bring.
If in 2050 someone consults the WP article "Deaths in 2007", say, they will not be finding (as they would be entitled to expect) A list of all notable deaths of 2007.
They will be finding instead A list of the deaths of those people who at the time of their death happened to have a WP article about them even if they later, a month, a year or ten years after their death, gain a Wikipedia article (because people who write those articles do not normally go back to also update files such as "Deaths of 2007" or whatever).
In other words there might even be people who were notable in 2007, died in 2007, and whose death would be thus a notable event of 2007, but who happened not to have a Wikipedia article about them at the time of their death. Those deaths will forever not be in a file that pretends to list the notable deaths of 2007, and that even if they later on do gain a WP article about them.
And this silly policy seem to have been decided by exactly 4 people.
Brilliant!
As wikidiocies go this must place very near the top.
Contact Basemetal here 18:10, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Why do we have a "specialized" external links section that point to all manner of commercial sites and even blogs? Several of these links are not to reliable sources and look much more like spam. Rklawton 14:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm new to this, I'm still learning (and appreciate Rklawton's message earlier), but if Wikipedia is going to have an "External Sites" section under "Deaths in 2007" (or in any other year, for that matter), why are sites like "coffindodgers," "Celebrity Death Beeper" and "Find A Grave" considered legitimate, but a site like Legacy.com, which is the Web's largest and most authoritative obituary site, deleted as "spam"? Tipitina 05:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I know this was discussed a while ago, but I haven't had time to read any of this stuff in forever. talk to SailorAlphaCentauri 19:51, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
The TOC is pointless, ugly, and gets in the way. There is no practical, aesthetic, or other justification for it. Let's not be wet. Let's get rid of it. 88888 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88888 ( talk • contribs) 23:52, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
It's a while since I ventured to these shores, but
Deaths in 2007: September 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 ( 31) |
(SOURCE BELOW)
This source is imperfect, I realize, but it's the best I can think of on-the-hoof.
<center> {| border="0" style="border:1px solid #aaaaaa;background-color:#f9f9f9;padding:5px;font-size: 95%;" |align=center|{{{2|{{PAGENAME}}}}}''':<br/>{{subst:CURRENTMONTHNAME}}<br/>''' [[#1|1]] [[#2|2]] [[#3|3]] [[#4|4]] [[#5|5]] [[#6|6]] [[#7|7]] [[#8|8]] [[#9|9]] [[#10|10]] [[#11|11]] [[#12|12]] [[#13|13]] [[#14|14]] [[#15|15]] [[#16|16]] [[#17|17]] [[#18|18]] [[#19|19]] [[#20|20]] [[#21|21]] [[#22|22]] [[#23|23]] [[#24|24]] [[#25|25]] [[#26|26]] [[#27|27]] [[#28|28]] [[#29|29]] [[#30|30]] ([[#31|31]])</center> |}</center>
There must be some way to only force these headings to exist and be placed when and only when they exist. Maybe by creating a Template:TOC-datenumbers as there also exists a Template:TOC, and by subst-ing and forcing a table of contents as per Template:TOC, I could probably work out myself how to do it but it's late in the day as far as my brain is concerned, some kind of parser-function to do with CURRENTDATE, by the left of it being (CURRRENTDATE-1), until we reach ((CURRENTDATE-CURRENTDATE)+1). (That is, the first of any given month). This could theoretically be easily achievable and updateable every time there is a new date heading added to the page. Thoughts? (Edit: of course, the numbers would be the other way around). Bobo . 14:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to include dead animals? Mapjc 16:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Really? How silly. Mapjc 00:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Silly because this is a list of notable deaths. People aren't scouring this list for dead animals, only notable people. By all means a noteworthy animal can have its death noted in its own article, but I seriously doubt anyone would look on a list of recent deaths to find something about a parrot. Even the setup on the list page presupposes that we're listing humans, since it specifies that the *deaths are listed under each date by FAMILY name, and that a required field of data within an entry should be citizenship. Mapjc 21:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, checking to see who has passed on, not what. As far as only one species being important enough, Wikipedia is written by people for people. If you are able to teach your cat to read Wikipedia, by all means let me know. As for the "importance" of the animals, exactly of what importance was Harriet? It was an old turtle. Arguably the importance is of the notable people who performed the research, not the animal with no understanding of for what it was being used. In any case, I have made my point and will let it rest, whether anyone agrees with me or not. Mapjc 01:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Titles of knighthood are not part of a name. The format at the top of the page asks for "Name, age, country of citizenship..." etc. I've removed the Dame and Sir from the names of several people on this page several times in accordance with the guidelines set forth on the page Wikipedia: Naming conventions (names and titles) WP:NCNT but they keep appearing (sometimes with the note that there is no consensus on this). Does there need to be consensus to follow established conventions? What am I missing here? Blake the bookbinder 18:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
To keep the discussion going, let me put forward a few questions:
Are you really confident that the people who add names will know when a title is appropriate? Will you leave, unaltered, whatever title they deem appropriate?
Why is not using titles on this page a "disregard and disrespect for one's culture and tradition" while not using them in article titles goes unobjected to? To whom does the word 'one' refer?
What is the false implication (impression?) a reader might get if titles were not included here?
What does "legal force" mean in the statement: "Knighthoods and peerages have legal force." In how much of the world is this "force" recognized in law?
What is the difference in a fact and an opinion you believe to be true?
Is there consensus on this issue?
Blake the bookbinder 10:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Krikey! Why didn't somebody point me in the direction of
WP:MOSBIO days ago? I've just found it, all by myself.
Sorry, everybody; I didin't know honourific prefixes was a settled issue within en.Wikipedia. I still believe every point I've made here is valid and am adamant that honourific prefixes are not part of a name (in the vast majority of the world, anyway) but I hearby surrender my attempt to convince anybody to do without them on this page.
However, what I would like to know next is, why isn't Anita Roddick's name followed with a rousing DBE since the example on page
WP:MOSBIO is?
Blake the bookbinder
13:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm still not looking to effect a change in Wikipedia style, but I thought you all might be interested in this e-mail I recieved today:
Mr Smith,
Thank you for your e-mail of 14 September.
It is our understanding that titles, be they Peerages (hereditary or lifetime only) or Knighthoods, do not form part of a person’s legal name. Such titles may well appear (quite lawfully) in a recipient’s Passport, but a person’s legal name is that which appears on his (or her) Birth Certificate (or, if the original name has been changed by Deed Poll, on the appropriate document).
I hope that this is helpful.
Alan Tuomey, Ceremonial Secretariat, Cabinet Office, 020-7276 2778
Of course, this is only the view of the government of the United Kingdom; other jurisdictions around the world, of which there are many, may hold a different view (or none whatsoever).
have a great weekend!
Blake the bookbinder 15:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Does complications add anything significant to cause of death? If you are shot, you die of the "complications of gunshot wound". Sometimes it used as an admission that the "cause" wasn't the "real cause" - "complications of diabetes". "Complications of intestinal blockage": does that mean "we don't know which organ gave in catastrophically but we don't feel that saying he died of an intestinal blockage is vague enough"? The feeling is that the cause of death cannot be the cause of the death if you can quite often survive with it without a 'critical' medical intervention? But then if "brain death is death" then the only "immediate" cause of death in all cases is cessation of brain activity, unless "immediate" taken to mean whatever immediately stopped brain activity (which is generally lack of oxygen). There may be a case for calling cause of death which ever organ was messed up enough to kill the brain (other organs being OK) but then cancer is not a cause of death in that case (why don't people put complications of cancer?). It is possible to on forever with causes and complications. Better not to use the word where possible. Keep it simple. Avoid complications. Type less. Take up less space. 88888 14:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Has any one noticed that going to the category of 2007_deaths will often give one a more up-to-date reference for the latest famous people to have passed away than if one goes to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_deaths?
What should we do to ensure the latter is also up-to-date? ACEOREVIVED 19:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you Twigboy. I am little puzzled by the first comment in response to my query, as surely, any one who is here would already have found that link to this category, which, if I am not mistaken, is the one you refer to there, Twigboy. ACEOREVIVED 19:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Mea Culpa, please be assured that I was not trying to humiliate any one. It is my fault if the way I had phrased my above concerns had confused any one (mea maxima culpa) because, although I had given the website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_deaths, I had not actually given the website of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: Deaths in 2007, which, until recently, was different to the article. They appear to have been merged now, which is good. Again, apologies, no humiliation was meant, and I wish to clarify here that I myself, not being the most computer literate person in the world, am sure that I still have much to learn about Wikipedia categorisation and lists! ACEOREVIVED 19:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Even though this has been deleted, I think it should be mentioned for future reference: Someone listed the death of a comic strip character from Funky Winkerbean today and, while it was deleted, I think it should not have been listed in the first place [because it was written like a line that should have been in the article to begin with]. I hope it doesn't happen again. It was sad that she died of breast cancer, but...she's a fictional character. talk to SailorAlphaCentauri 20:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
moving article to List of deaths in 2007 would be appropriate, since this is a "list", not an "article". Also, leaving older lists as it is, and making it a list in future would be good idea. Thanks. Lara_bran 06:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I notice the ongoing debate concerning the "correct" spelling of the word medalist / medallist. According to Merriam-Webster dictionary either is acceptable. According to Cambridge dictionary medallist is British spelling, medalist is American spelling. The article Doubled consonants also throws some light on the subject. WWGB 01:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Here are some of the more notable deaths of 2007, as recorded by our editors. It's just a personal observation, based on perceived international recognition. WWGB ( talk) 12:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Arts and media
Business
Film and television
Music
Personalities
Politics
Religion
Science and technology
Sport
I think it's time to revise the referencing style, as more or less agreed upon further up, at least for pre-2008 lists. These pages aren't high-traffic anymore, so the maintenance shouldn't become unmanageable. Good raise 11:22, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
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Please stop linking every single cause of death, even when someone else died of the same thing two names up. There's absolutely no need, it's just difficult-to-read overlinking and most of the time it doesn't even seem to be done properly (FYI: "heart attack" redirects to myocardial infarction, as you can see from the one that's already linked). Thanks tomasz. 17:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't have a particular opinion either way, but if we do decide to delink all but one cause, maybe we can do the same for things like "American," "British," "boxer" etc. Just reduce them to one instance. Canadian Paul 02:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I have previously stated this in Talk:Deaths in 2006, but I think that instead of external links, we should have references. -- Thelb 4 08:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Don't get me wrong, Thelb4. I know you're just trying to improve the quality of the page. Maybe going through old Deaths in XXX YY pages and converting them to bottom references is the way to go, as its unlikely after a month or so after-the-fact that anyone would be adding new references. Syrthiss 13:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm a relative newby to this - but my vote would be to leave things as they are. I'm very pleased with the current look of the embedded html link versus a reference. Tom M. 14:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I think inline references are the way to go, here.. for example, what if somebody wanted to print off the page? all they have are numbers.. you can't mouse-over something in a print out. and the argument that they will take up too much space isn't a good one.. haven't you seen any featured articles lately? it's better to be thourough. 131.111.8.104 14:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Since this page will also include notable animals which have died, this line should be modified to include that.--Do Not Talk About Feitclub ( contributions) 21:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
The addition of a Russian-language video link for Murat Nasyrov caused me to reflect on the relevance of references in languages other than English. Should a death be reported on the English-language Wikipedia site even though there are NO English references to the death? Perhaps in such cases the reporting of the death should be limited to the Wikipedia site in the first language of the deceased? How "notable" are these people outside their own country? WWGB 11:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
But that is the point: if the Norwegian writer is only notable to Norwegians, is that notable enough for this list? A lot more Norwegians are notable to Norwegians than to the rest of the world, so of course there is not only one standard of notability. If the death is not reported in English somewhere in the world, then probably the person isn't "en.wikipedia.org-notable". ESPECIALLY when no one has even been bothered to write an article telling the world why the person is notable! 80.225.0.12 00:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
The intro this article is a bit too self-referential... with all the instructions and all. Article text should exist for readers, not editors of the article, as for every 1 person who edits the article, hundreds of people read it and the instructions are of no interest to them. I suggest "commenting it out" so editors see it but casual readers don't. -- W.marsh 00:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering why the specialized sites that are usually listed after the obituary sites (sites such as Find a Grave), are left off of the page practically every month. In January, the Specialized Sites list was transferred but left off several sites, and there are no specialized sites listed this month. This may have happened last year as well, but I just wanted to know why this happens. SailorAlphaCentauri 16:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Regular editors tend to keep the length of entries to a reasonably consistent standard. That can be achieved by limiting the number of achievements listed for the deceased, using conventional abbreviations and restricting the number of references to 1 or 2. While a maximum length of one line may be a desirable target, what fits on to one line will vary according to the individual's monitor size and computer settings. What overflows to a second line on one screen may fit perfectly well on one line in a different environment. WWGB 05:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Please include the deceased's nationality and link to the page on his/her country of origin between the person's age and reason for notability (like it says right at the top of the page in the instructions for formatting entries). Someone keeps insisting on placing the nationality notation in parentheses at the end of the entry (i.e. (Lithuanian), (Italian)), making more work for the others who have to rework each of these improperly formatted entries. Finduilas 09 11:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone advise the correct protocol if a person may have more than one perceived nationality. For example, I note one person is described as a 'Chinese born Australian' but other individuals are simply called American or Australian despite being born elsewhere. I'm not sure which is preferable, but I would expect it to be consistent. Any advice? MrsPlum ( talk) 08:56, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I relatively new to this so forgive my ignorance. How does one cause a reference NOT to refer to someone? For Example (only) if I want to refer to Abraham Lincoln who was the conductor of the NY Philharmonic versus the President of the USA how do I do that? If I put [ [Abraham Lincoln] ] it obviously refers to the President but if I want it to refer to the other guy, who as yet may not have his own Wikipedia page, how do I do that? I know one option is to simply leave out the [[ ]]... but is there another way? Tom M. 14:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Helps a great deal! Thank you. And the Manual of Style is very helpful to bookmark. I appreciate your quick response. Tom M. 15:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I noticed and fixed alot of recent articles (within the past five days) of people who died that were not tagged with {{recent death}}. Shouldn't there be something somewheres on the page to note contributors that when someone notable dies they should tag the articles with this? - 24.92.43.153 06:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Greetings, might I ask why people use WIKILINKS when the article doesn't link to anything? People, please! Functionality! There is NO need for a link, and in fact it is inefficient to do so, if there is nothing at the other end. Worse, articles that could be written aren't because people assume that since there's a link, there must be an article.
Now, maybe I've done it too, out of habit or simply following the herd. May I suggest that everyone STOP adding Wikilinks unless there's something to link to or you plan to start the article in the next few minutes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ryoung122 ( talk • contribs) 12:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC).
“ | Worse, articles that could be written aren't because people assume that since there's a link, there must be an article. | ” |
“ | May I suggest that everyone STOP adding Wikilinks unless there's something to link to or you plan to start the article in the next few minutes. | ” |
Greetings, historically, ? are used for cases where an age claim is extremely dubious/probably exaggerated (such as 125? or 118?). "Circa" is usually used only for persons where an exact date of birth is uncertain, but the age given is considered to be a 'best guess'.
The issue is especially pertinent to "world's oldest person" claimants. If someone claims to be 132 but is really 102, and we put down c132, we are implying endorsement of a false age. But if we put 132?, we alert the reader to the possibility that the age claimed may be off by a lot.→ R Young { yakł talk} 12:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Greetings,
Some sources tend to round up the ages of persons who die a few months before the birthday. If the birthdate is given as May 1901 and they died Jan 2007, the correct age is, sorry, 105 NOT 106.
→ R Young { yakł talk} 12:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Greetings, it is traditional in some Asian countries to begin counting ages at '1.' Usually this becomes apparent if you see a claim where the person was "born in Feb 1901, died in Mar 2007" at age 107. Sorry, the correct age would be '106'.→ R Young { yakł talk} 12:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I just proposed the following wikiproject Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Recently Deceased Biographies to help those articles about recently deseased people attain the highest quality. Let me know if anyone is interested in this. Remember 14:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
What is the average way to die nowadays? - Yancyfry 03:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, I guess I mean average disease. -- Yancyfry 03:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't the external links posted next to the names be changed into actual references as stated in Wikipedia:Citing sources, rather than straight external links? — The Future 00:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
An editor has persisted in abbreviating the entry for a number of recent deaths, paring back to terms like "academic" or "television presenter". The guidelines for this section ask for a "reason for notability". These people are not notable merely for holding the above positions, but because they were the first female chancellor, first television presenter etc. Some extra wording is therefore essential. WWGB 23:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
This could be a bad thing, because anons and new users quite likely often add new death notices. What do you think?-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 20:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Am I wrong to question the notability of "James Capozzola, 44, American blogger, brain hemorrhage"... While tragic like all deaths, I fail to see why this fellow, a political blogger, is notable and/or meets the Wikipedia notability guidelines. Tom M. 20:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I did post the death and, believing I had 30 days, began obtaining information about Mr. Binder, his accomplishments at ABC News (a major US Network), including numerous war assignments and awards. However, before I could complete this, the listing was deleted nearly immediately with the comment "(i don't see how a cameraman for a news station in general is notable. Is this guy special somehow and did something notable?)" I had hoped I would have had a chance to establish the answers to these questions prior to deletion and exactly why I sought guidance before listing to begin with. I also felt his death responding to a prominent news event (Westroads Mall Massacre) made it timely and relevant. Unsure if I should continue working on an article. OneHappyHusky ( talk) 01:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I've created a news feed off of this page's data. It's not perfect and occasionally picks up vandalism, but it's interesting enough to be useful to me. :) Jdavidb ( talk • contribs) 21:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, Ok, I can't stand it any longer. I accepted that Tomasz had a particular interest in this matter, but now it seems that Tom has caught the same bug. Why does one need to redirect "heart attack" to "myocardial infarction"? There is a redirect page in place that does exactly the same thing anyway without intervention. It's not a case of disambiguation, just a redirect that occurs automatically. Typing "myocardial infarction|heart attack" achieves only what the computer was about to do. Sorry, but I just don't get it ... Regards, WWGB 14:19, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Not everyone who gets listed really should get a page on Wikipedia. Band members whose only notability is being part of a band come to mind - those should redirect to band page.
Discuss. Guroadrunner 21:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I think we should have standard format for all. Korean and Chinese often have their last names first and it ckinda mess up the visual of the list. Abdelkweli 16:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
If this article is for notable deaths, why the redlinks? This might also solve the references matter. Necessary references would then be found in the subject's article and needed not be repeated here. Rklawton 14:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
A death is not notable because the person who died has a WP article.
There are people who are notable and yet do not have a WP article. All their deaths are however notable. And that is proven by the reliable references of those deaths that people bring.
If in 2050 someone consults the WP article "Deaths in 2007", say, they will not be finding (as they would be entitled to expect) A list of all notable deaths of 2007.
They will be finding instead A list of the deaths of those people who at the time of their death happened to have a WP article about them even if they later, a month, a year or ten years after their death, gain a Wikipedia article (because people who write those articles do not normally go back to also update files such as "Deaths of 2007" or whatever).
In other words there might even be people who were notable in 2007, died in 2007, and whose death would be thus a notable event of 2007, but who happened not to have a Wikipedia article about them at the time of their death. Those deaths will forever not be in a file that pretends to list the notable deaths of 2007, and that even if they later on do gain a WP article about them.
And this silly policy seem to have been decided by exactly 4 people.
Brilliant!
As wikidiocies go this must place very near the top.
Contact Basemetal here 18:10, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Why do we have a "specialized" external links section that point to all manner of commercial sites and even blogs? Several of these links are not to reliable sources and look much more like spam. Rklawton 14:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm new to this, I'm still learning (and appreciate Rklawton's message earlier), but if Wikipedia is going to have an "External Sites" section under "Deaths in 2007" (or in any other year, for that matter), why are sites like "coffindodgers," "Celebrity Death Beeper" and "Find A Grave" considered legitimate, but a site like Legacy.com, which is the Web's largest and most authoritative obituary site, deleted as "spam"? Tipitina 05:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I know this was discussed a while ago, but I haven't had time to read any of this stuff in forever. talk to SailorAlphaCentauri 19:51, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
The TOC is pointless, ugly, and gets in the way. There is no practical, aesthetic, or other justification for it. Let's not be wet. Let's get rid of it. 88888 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88888 ( talk • contribs) 23:52, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
It's a while since I ventured to these shores, but
Deaths in 2007: September 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 ( 31) |
(SOURCE BELOW)
This source is imperfect, I realize, but it's the best I can think of on-the-hoof.
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There must be some way to only force these headings to exist and be placed when and only when they exist. Maybe by creating a Template:TOC-datenumbers as there also exists a Template:TOC, and by subst-ing and forcing a table of contents as per Template:TOC, I could probably work out myself how to do it but it's late in the day as far as my brain is concerned, some kind of parser-function to do with CURRENTDATE, by the left of it being (CURRRENTDATE-1), until we reach ((CURRENTDATE-CURRENTDATE)+1). (That is, the first of any given month). This could theoretically be easily achievable and updateable every time there is a new date heading added to the page. Thoughts? (Edit: of course, the numbers would be the other way around). Bobo . 14:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to include dead animals? Mapjc 16:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Really? How silly. Mapjc 00:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Silly because this is a list of notable deaths. People aren't scouring this list for dead animals, only notable people. By all means a noteworthy animal can have its death noted in its own article, but I seriously doubt anyone would look on a list of recent deaths to find something about a parrot. Even the setup on the list page presupposes that we're listing humans, since it specifies that the *deaths are listed under each date by FAMILY name, and that a required field of data within an entry should be citizenship. Mapjc 21:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, checking to see who has passed on, not what. As far as only one species being important enough, Wikipedia is written by people for people. If you are able to teach your cat to read Wikipedia, by all means let me know. As for the "importance" of the animals, exactly of what importance was Harriet? It was an old turtle. Arguably the importance is of the notable people who performed the research, not the animal with no understanding of for what it was being used. In any case, I have made my point and will let it rest, whether anyone agrees with me or not. Mapjc 01:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Titles of knighthood are not part of a name. The format at the top of the page asks for "Name, age, country of citizenship..." etc. I've removed the Dame and Sir from the names of several people on this page several times in accordance with the guidelines set forth on the page Wikipedia: Naming conventions (names and titles) WP:NCNT but they keep appearing (sometimes with the note that there is no consensus on this). Does there need to be consensus to follow established conventions? What am I missing here? Blake the bookbinder 18:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
To keep the discussion going, let me put forward a few questions:
Are you really confident that the people who add names will know when a title is appropriate? Will you leave, unaltered, whatever title they deem appropriate?
Why is not using titles on this page a "disregard and disrespect for one's culture and tradition" while not using them in article titles goes unobjected to? To whom does the word 'one' refer?
What is the false implication (impression?) a reader might get if titles were not included here?
What does "legal force" mean in the statement: "Knighthoods and peerages have legal force." In how much of the world is this "force" recognized in law?
What is the difference in a fact and an opinion you believe to be true?
Is there consensus on this issue?
Blake the bookbinder 10:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Krikey! Why didn't somebody point me in the direction of
WP:MOSBIO days ago? I've just found it, all by myself.
Sorry, everybody; I didin't know honourific prefixes was a settled issue within en.Wikipedia. I still believe every point I've made here is valid and am adamant that honourific prefixes are not part of a name (in the vast majority of the world, anyway) but I hearby surrender my attempt to convince anybody to do without them on this page.
However, what I would like to know next is, why isn't Anita Roddick's name followed with a rousing DBE since the example on page
WP:MOSBIO is?
Blake the bookbinder
13:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm still not looking to effect a change in Wikipedia style, but I thought you all might be interested in this e-mail I recieved today:
Mr Smith,
Thank you for your e-mail of 14 September.
It is our understanding that titles, be they Peerages (hereditary or lifetime only) or Knighthoods, do not form part of a person’s legal name. Such titles may well appear (quite lawfully) in a recipient’s Passport, but a person’s legal name is that which appears on his (or her) Birth Certificate (or, if the original name has been changed by Deed Poll, on the appropriate document).
I hope that this is helpful.
Alan Tuomey, Ceremonial Secretariat, Cabinet Office, 020-7276 2778
Of course, this is only the view of the government of the United Kingdom; other jurisdictions around the world, of which there are many, may hold a different view (or none whatsoever).
have a great weekend!
Blake the bookbinder 15:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Does complications add anything significant to cause of death? If you are shot, you die of the "complications of gunshot wound". Sometimes it used as an admission that the "cause" wasn't the "real cause" - "complications of diabetes". "Complications of intestinal blockage": does that mean "we don't know which organ gave in catastrophically but we don't feel that saying he died of an intestinal blockage is vague enough"? The feeling is that the cause of death cannot be the cause of the death if you can quite often survive with it without a 'critical' medical intervention? But then if "brain death is death" then the only "immediate" cause of death in all cases is cessation of brain activity, unless "immediate" taken to mean whatever immediately stopped brain activity (which is generally lack of oxygen). There may be a case for calling cause of death which ever organ was messed up enough to kill the brain (other organs being OK) but then cancer is not a cause of death in that case (why don't people put complications of cancer?). It is possible to on forever with causes and complications. Better not to use the word where possible. Keep it simple. Avoid complications. Type less. Take up less space. 88888 14:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Has any one noticed that going to the category of 2007_deaths will often give one a more up-to-date reference for the latest famous people to have passed away than if one goes to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_deaths?
What should we do to ensure the latter is also up-to-date? ACEOREVIVED 19:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you Twigboy. I am little puzzled by the first comment in response to my query, as surely, any one who is here would already have found that link to this category, which, if I am not mistaken, is the one you refer to there, Twigboy. ACEOREVIVED 19:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Mea Culpa, please be assured that I was not trying to humiliate any one. It is my fault if the way I had phrased my above concerns had confused any one (mea maxima culpa) because, although I had given the website http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_deaths, I had not actually given the website of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: Deaths in 2007, which, until recently, was different to the article. They appear to have been merged now, which is good. Again, apologies, no humiliation was meant, and I wish to clarify here that I myself, not being the most computer literate person in the world, am sure that I still have much to learn about Wikipedia categorisation and lists! ACEOREVIVED 19:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Even though this has been deleted, I think it should be mentioned for future reference: Someone listed the death of a comic strip character from Funky Winkerbean today and, while it was deleted, I think it should not have been listed in the first place [because it was written like a line that should have been in the article to begin with]. I hope it doesn't happen again. It was sad that she died of breast cancer, but...she's a fictional character. talk to SailorAlphaCentauri 20:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
moving article to List of deaths in 2007 would be appropriate, since this is a "list", not an "article". Also, leaving older lists as it is, and making it a list in future would be good idea. Thanks. Lara_bran 06:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I notice the ongoing debate concerning the "correct" spelling of the word medalist / medallist. According to Merriam-Webster dictionary either is acceptable. According to Cambridge dictionary medallist is British spelling, medalist is American spelling. The article Doubled consonants also throws some light on the subject. WWGB 01:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Here are some of the more notable deaths of 2007, as recorded by our editors. It's just a personal observation, based on perceived international recognition. WWGB ( talk) 12:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Arts and media
Business
Film and television
Music
Personalities
Politics
Religion
Science and technology
Sport
I think it's time to revise the referencing style, as more or less agreed upon further up, at least for pre-2008 lists. These pages aren't high-traffic anymore, so the maintenance shouldn't become unmanageable. Good raise 11:22, 4 March 2012 (UTC)