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I suggest deathgrind be merged with goregrind, and porno grind also be merged into goregrind. There is no need for two pages, just because someone is at variance with popular opinion. the most commonly used term is Goregrind, and they both refer to the same music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.238.231.220 ( talk) 07:53, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
On Encyclopeadia Metallum, which has a very hardcore following of metalheads, you will find almost zero metions of Deathgrind, if any, and even the bands which are called Deathgrind in this page are called Goregrind, eg. Carcass.
I really don't see how this is true at all because almost all death/grind bands have no breakdowns(although many death metal bands do), and most deathcore bands do not have songs under 2 minutes as with death metal bands. Therefore, Deathcore is much more of a hybriding of death metal and metalcore(as said on the deathcore page) and really has almost nothing to do with death/grind. So, unless anyone objects I'm going to remove deathcore from derivative forms.
Is there really a need for this? i mean, i know that there are alot of crossover death/grind bands - i suggest this article to be merged into the Grindcore article.
Napalm Death, for instance, is an obvious death/grind crossover - but, be serious, Haemorrhage are a Goregrind band. There is nothing compareable to those 2 bands thus making this genre a bit confusing.
Darksteel 14:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
SOAD is not even close to a deathgrind band... Just mallcore. Probably put there by a troll?
Im not sure their is a need for this page either. Those bands listed as Deathgrind could easily fit in other genres and have been listed on other pages in the past. While I agree that death metal and grind can be mixed I dont think this page is really necessary. Halfeatencorpse 01:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I think the explanation is very good. I think it's a good idea to keep this page, but it might need some more info (history etc.). Emmaneul 12:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Isn't it obvious to anyone who listens to Goregrind and Deathgrind, or even anyone who reads the descriptions of both, that they are the same, just described slightly differently. They are both combination of Death Metal and Grindcore, and no legitimate criteria has been developed to distinguish between them. We should merge both articles, probably into a page credited as "Deathgrind/Goregrind" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.201.79 ( talk) 09:10, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
http://www.anus.com/metal/about/styles/ is viewing deathgrind from another perspective. They say it's death metal without the complex song structures due to grindcore influences.
Deathgrind "Tag": http://www.last.fm/tag/deathgrind http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/deathgrind
not much, but something -- Emmaneul 19:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
http://www.mininova.org/tor/539928 - this torrent is about deathgrind band it had about 1000 downloads —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.93.250 ( talk) 17:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
You're basing popularity on torrent downloads? are you kidding me? I wasn't sure if I could of just deleted your comment but you should at least remove your link there... maybe I could say Underground; although there has been some popularity with the likes of Napalm Death and such... I don't know. − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ kaiden 22:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, there are two very good sources cited on this page. The statement "Cattle Decapitation, a 'deathgrind' metal band once affiliated with the Locust" is in a very short New York Times listing. And, from the Daily Tar Heel: "The album's 14 songs are all brutal artillery blasts of pure and absolute death metal fury without all those wanky melodic guitar solos. The band's (Pig Destroyer's) own description of its style as "deathgrind" seems perfectly suited."
So based on this, we can say that Cattle Decapitation and Pig Destroyer are both described as deathgrind, and that deathgrind is characterized by "brutal artillery blasts" of death metal without melodic guitar solos. That's all that can be substantiated. This information has already been incorporated into the
grindcore article.
The article, however, says this: Deathgrind (also known as death-grind or death/grind) is a mixture of the intensity, speed, and brevity of grindcore and the complexity of death metal. It differs from death metal in that guitar solos are often a rarity, shrieked vocals are more prominent as the main vocal style (though death grunts are still utilized and some deathgrind bands make more use of the latter vocal style), and songs are generally shorter in length, usually between one and three minutes. It is usually the band's aim to play high tempo and atonal music with little to no slower passages. But this style differs from grindcore in the far more technical approach and less evident hardcore punk influence and aesthetics. It is important to note that the genre does not include grindcore groups that later became death metal groups, such as Carcass and Napalm Death, though the latter's latest offerings, The Code Is Red...Long Live the Code and Smear Campaign, may be considered deathgrind.
Notable deathgrind bands include Asesino, Assück, Brujeria, Cattle Decapitation[1], Cephalic Carnage, Soilent Green, later Nasum, Pig Destroyer[2], Circle of Dead Children, Rotten Sound, Exhumed, Leng Tch'e, and Impaled."
All of this is
original research. Why aren't Carcass and Napalm Death deathgrind? Is it even accurate to say that Napalm Death "became a death metal group"? I don't think it's that straightforward. Why would ND's last two albums be considered deathgrind? It's a mystery, because its just the opinion of an anonymous editor. I like Leng Tch'e, and they are a grindcore band that borrows from death metal (like many grind groups), but I've never heard them referred to as deathgrind by a reliable source.
I'm going to start removing original research, and eventually this article should be redirected to grindcore if more sources can't be found.
Aryder779 (
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OK, so this has been recreated by an IP. I'm actually fairly happy with this... give me a couple of days and I'll try and get it into a decent stub state. I think the goregrind page is now a perfectly passable stub (troubled only by people name-dropping bands without sources); I'll keep looking for more sources anyway. I also had a stab at removing all the OR from the pornogrind page; that is unlikely to ever get beyond stub stage, but there are probably enough sources to avoid deletion or merge. Any help as always appreciated. Blackmetalbaz ( talk) 12:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
let's remove all blatantly death metal bands like origin and fleshgod apocalypse ok. let's stick to bands that are blatantly deathgrind and not include any bands that have very little grind influence. Abolishthedarkness ( talk) 06:45, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
similarly, let's remove pure grindcore bands, like anal cunt. there's no death in their music, and no real "technicality" like there is in pig destroyer's.
get this. there is not one single isolated reference to grindcore on the page that supposedly "sources" fleshgod apocalypse being deathgrind. now can we get rid of them, seeing as they're blatantly non-grind? 67.121.224.96 ( talk) 06:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I changed their formation date from 1992 to their actual 1987 formation date. They couldn't have formed in 92' when they have releases going back to 89'.
Just thought I'd say it, so wikipedia doesn't try to ban me for not "talking" about it first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheoFleury89 ( talk • contribs) 00:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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I suggest deathgrind be merged with goregrind, and porno grind also be merged into goregrind. There is no need for two pages, just because someone is at variance with popular opinion. the most commonly used term is Goregrind, and they both refer to the same music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.238.231.220 ( talk) 07:53, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
On Encyclopeadia Metallum, which has a very hardcore following of metalheads, you will find almost zero metions of Deathgrind, if any, and even the bands which are called Deathgrind in this page are called Goregrind, eg. Carcass.
I really don't see how this is true at all because almost all death/grind bands have no breakdowns(although many death metal bands do), and most deathcore bands do not have songs under 2 minutes as with death metal bands. Therefore, Deathcore is much more of a hybriding of death metal and metalcore(as said on the deathcore page) and really has almost nothing to do with death/grind. So, unless anyone objects I'm going to remove deathcore from derivative forms.
Is there really a need for this? i mean, i know that there are alot of crossover death/grind bands - i suggest this article to be merged into the Grindcore article.
Napalm Death, for instance, is an obvious death/grind crossover - but, be serious, Haemorrhage are a Goregrind band. There is nothing compareable to those 2 bands thus making this genre a bit confusing.
Darksteel 14:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
SOAD is not even close to a deathgrind band... Just mallcore. Probably put there by a troll?
Im not sure their is a need for this page either. Those bands listed as Deathgrind could easily fit in other genres and have been listed on other pages in the past. While I agree that death metal and grind can be mixed I dont think this page is really necessary. Halfeatencorpse 01:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I think the explanation is very good. I think it's a good idea to keep this page, but it might need some more info (history etc.). Emmaneul 12:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Isn't it obvious to anyone who listens to Goregrind and Deathgrind, or even anyone who reads the descriptions of both, that they are the same, just described slightly differently. They are both combination of Death Metal and Grindcore, and no legitimate criteria has been developed to distinguish between them. We should merge both articles, probably into a page credited as "Deathgrind/Goregrind" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.201.79 ( talk) 09:10, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
http://www.anus.com/metal/about/styles/ is viewing deathgrind from another perspective. They say it's death metal without the complex song structures due to grindcore influences.
Deathgrind "Tag": http://www.last.fm/tag/deathgrind http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/deathgrind
not much, but something -- Emmaneul 19:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
http://www.mininova.org/tor/539928 - this torrent is about deathgrind band it had about 1000 downloads —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.93.250 ( talk) 17:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
You're basing popularity on torrent downloads? are you kidding me? I wasn't sure if I could of just deleted your comment but you should at least remove your link there... maybe I could say Underground; although there has been some popularity with the likes of Napalm Death and such... I don't know. − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ kaiden 22:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, there are two very good sources cited on this page. The statement "Cattle Decapitation, a 'deathgrind' metal band once affiliated with the Locust" is in a very short New York Times listing. And, from the Daily Tar Heel: "The album's 14 songs are all brutal artillery blasts of pure and absolute death metal fury without all those wanky melodic guitar solos. The band's (Pig Destroyer's) own description of its style as "deathgrind" seems perfectly suited."
So based on this, we can say that Cattle Decapitation and Pig Destroyer are both described as deathgrind, and that deathgrind is characterized by "brutal artillery blasts" of death metal without melodic guitar solos. That's all that can be substantiated. This information has already been incorporated into the
grindcore article.
The article, however, says this: Deathgrind (also known as death-grind or death/grind) is a mixture of the intensity, speed, and brevity of grindcore and the complexity of death metal. It differs from death metal in that guitar solos are often a rarity, shrieked vocals are more prominent as the main vocal style (though death grunts are still utilized and some deathgrind bands make more use of the latter vocal style), and songs are generally shorter in length, usually between one and three minutes. It is usually the band's aim to play high tempo and atonal music with little to no slower passages. But this style differs from grindcore in the far more technical approach and less evident hardcore punk influence and aesthetics. It is important to note that the genre does not include grindcore groups that later became death metal groups, such as Carcass and Napalm Death, though the latter's latest offerings, The Code Is Red...Long Live the Code and Smear Campaign, may be considered deathgrind.
Notable deathgrind bands include Asesino, Assück, Brujeria, Cattle Decapitation[1], Cephalic Carnage, Soilent Green, later Nasum, Pig Destroyer[2], Circle of Dead Children, Rotten Sound, Exhumed, Leng Tch'e, and Impaled."
All of this is
original research. Why aren't Carcass and Napalm Death deathgrind? Is it even accurate to say that Napalm Death "became a death metal group"? I don't think it's that straightforward. Why would ND's last two albums be considered deathgrind? It's a mystery, because its just the opinion of an anonymous editor. I like Leng Tch'e, and they are a grindcore band that borrows from death metal (like many grind groups), but I've never heard them referred to as deathgrind by a reliable source.
I'm going to start removing original research, and eventually this article should be redirected to grindcore if more sources can't be found.
Aryder779 (
talk) 21:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
OK, so this has been recreated by an IP. I'm actually fairly happy with this... give me a couple of days and I'll try and get it into a decent stub state. I think the goregrind page is now a perfectly passable stub (troubled only by people name-dropping bands without sources); I'll keep looking for more sources anyway. I also had a stab at removing all the OR from the pornogrind page; that is unlikely to ever get beyond stub stage, but there are probably enough sources to avoid deletion or merge. Any help as always appreciated. Blackmetalbaz ( talk) 12:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
let's remove all blatantly death metal bands like origin and fleshgod apocalypse ok. let's stick to bands that are blatantly deathgrind and not include any bands that have very little grind influence. Abolishthedarkness ( talk) 06:45, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
similarly, let's remove pure grindcore bands, like anal cunt. there's no death in their music, and no real "technicality" like there is in pig destroyer's.
get this. there is not one single isolated reference to grindcore on the page that supposedly "sources" fleshgod apocalypse being deathgrind. now can we get rid of them, seeing as they're blatantly non-grind? 67.121.224.96 ( talk) 06:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I changed their formation date from 1992 to their actual 1987 formation date. They couldn't have formed in 92' when they have releases going back to 89'.
Just thought I'd say it, so wikipedia doesn't try to ban me for not "talking" about it first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheoFleury89 ( talk • contribs) 00:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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