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While the current version does not assert notability, the case is notable for the role it has played in the ongoing issue of Missing and Murdered Indigenous women in Canada. An editor has expressed the intention to flesh it out and source it, so I ask for some patience while this is done. Thanks. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 22:13, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
I know I'm responding to months old posts, but I would say that Tina Fontaine is notable. It has been covered not only in the local media, but widely by the national media and some intentional medial. This is just a brief sample. Very few Canadian murder victims have this level of notability.
-- Harizotoh9 ( talk) 06:57, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
In my opinion, infobox titles should generally match the article's title, with the full name in the "birth_name" parameter, consistent with most Wikipedia articles. Tina Fontaine's full name isn't very widely used in articles written about her (googling "Tina Fontaine" gives you 52,000 results, while "Tina Michelle Fontaine" gives only 196), so I think it is appropriate for that to be reflected in the article. Also, having full names as infobox titles isn't good practice, as they can take up too much space at the top and stretch the infobox beyond necessity, especially for people with long names such as Victoria Elizabeth Marie Stafford, Thomas Mervyn ap Rhys Pryce, Daniel Phillip Deneel Apollo Valerio, Graeme Frederick Hilton Thorne and Kylie Maria Antonia Maybury. Linguist 111 talk 16:25, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
|birth_name=
. This has been discussed several times at the template talk page (
eg). Perhaps the best solution here would be to use only |name=
Tina Fontaine and omit |birth_name=
entirely?
Nikkimaria (
talk) 03:09, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. On the numbers, this discussion is closely divided. However, those supporting the move have arguments well-founded in long-standing guidelines, and the
closing instructions are clear that opponents need to provide very good reasons to treat an individual article as an exception to those guidelines. In this case, they did not do so; their arguments are mostly a general challenge to the guideline, rather than reasons for treating this particular argument as an exception. I therefore cannot weigh this discussion as anything other than "move".
Those opposing the move clearly hold a strong position of principle in relation to how en.wp covers murder victims, and how such articles should be titled. Their point is unlikely to succeed when raised in individual cases, but there could be a valuable centralised discussion on the principles involved. I suggest that those involved consider starting a
WP:RFC to discuss these issues, and consider any proposals for a change to the guidelines.
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs) 21:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Tina Fontaine → Murder of Tina Fontaine – The proposed title is consistent with those of other non-biographical articles about non-notable murder victims whose murders are notable. Tina Fontaine's murder is notable, but the person herself is not aside from her murder. Linguist 111 Who, me? Who? Me 22:03, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
When did the trial start? The news article I read said it began, but it's not clear if it began on the date of publication. [3] Harizotoh9 ( talk) 02:53, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
This is a fact, reported by multiple news sources. It's relevant to the case. Previous witnesses reported they believed she was drunk at the time. So instead of going by a possibly unreliable witness, we have scientific confirmation. Her impairment may have affected her judgement and her ability to fight off an attacker. It's reported that Cormier would supply her with Gabapentin and her boyfriend would spend time doing marijuana, cocaine and alcohol together. This article needs to be greatly expanded, and the testimony from the trial is going to fill in the details. And this will include references to Fontaine's drug use. It's unavoidable in the story.
Citing WP:NOTNEWS doesn't seem to follow at all. These are relevant facts to the case. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 03:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 18:19, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Murder of Tina Fontaine → Death of Tina Fontaine – Although her body clearly turned up in suspicious circumstances having been deliberately disposed of, the trial of the man accused of her murder found him not guilty with no defence being presented - the defence successfully argued that the Crown had not even proven a murder took place. It is currently unknown how Fontaine died due to a lack of forensic evidence, and calling it a murder wrongly presupposes that it was not some kind of tragic accident with a coverup or some other alternative. Wikipedia should focus on the facts and not make assumptions which are unproven. This is particularly serious since a man's name appears repeatedly in the article linked with the word 'murder' but he has now been found not guilty in a court of law. If it is later proven that Fontaine was murdered the article could be moved back to the current title (or moved to news or merged into MMIW articles if deemed not sufficiently noteworth independently) Brislian ( talk) 14:20, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
I removed the names of the officers involved in the traffic stops since they are not included in the two articles cited as sources. I have also updated the sentence to be consistent with what is actually in the cited sources. DivaNtrainin ( talk) 17:08, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus is against this move b uidh e 20:47, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Death of Tina Fontaine →
Killing of Tina Fontaine – Two years ago, mine was the sole vote in the above nomination of
Murder of Tina Fontaine →
Death of Tina Fontaine. Since there was no murder conviction, I felt obligated to vote for the proposed alternative, but should have actually voted: oppose "Death of...", but support "Killing of..." Taking into account that there was sufficient evidence to bring about a charge of murder, this was certainly not a natural or a historical death, such as
Death of Ludwig van Beethoven or
Death of Edgar Allan Poe. She was obviously killed, since her body was "wrapped in plastic and a duvet cover and weighed down with rocks in the Red River." Given those facts and the resulting murder charge, it would seem that the article's main title header should be at least "Killing of...", rather than simply "Death of..." —
Roman Spinner
(talk •
contribs) 23:52, 16 April 2020 (UTC) —Relisting.
BD2412
T 02:35, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
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While the current version does not assert notability, the case is notable for the role it has played in the ongoing issue of Missing and Murdered Indigenous women in Canada. An editor has expressed the intention to flesh it out and source it, so I ask for some patience while this is done. Thanks. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 22:13, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
I know I'm responding to months old posts, but I would say that Tina Fontaine is notable. It has been covered not only in the local media, but widely by the national media and some intentional medial. This is just a brief sample. Very few Canadian murder victims have this level of notability.
-- Harizotoh9 ( talk) 06:57, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
In my opinion, infobox titles should generally match the article's title, with the full name in the "birth_name" parameter, consistent with most Wikipedia articles. Tina Fontaine's full name isn't very widely used in articles written about her (googling "Tina Fontaine" gives you 52,000 results, while "Tina Michelle Fontaine" gives only 196), so I think it is appropriate for that to be reflected in the article. Also, having full names as infobox titles isn't good practice, as they can take up too much space at the top and stretch the infobox beyond necessity, especially for people with long names such as Victoria Elizabeth Marie Stafford, Thomas Mervyn ap Rhys Pryce, Daniel Phillip Deneel Apollo Valerio, Graeme Frederick Hilton Thorne and Kylie Maria Antonia Maybury. Linguist 111 talk 16:25, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
|birth_name=
. This has been discussed several times at the template talk page (
eg). Perhaps the best solution here would be to use only |name=
Tina Fontaine and omit |birth_name=
entirely?
Nikkimaria (
talk) 03:09, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. On the numbers, this discussion is closely divided. However, those supporting the move have arguments well-founded in long-standing guidelines, and the
closing instructions are clear that opponents need to provide very good reasons to treat an individual article as an exception to those guidelines. In this case, they did not do so; their arguments are mostly a general challenge to the guideline, rather than reasons for treating this particular argument as an exception. I therefore cannot weigh this discussion as anything other than "move".
Those opposing the move clearly hold a strong position of principle in relation to how en.wp covers murder victims, and how such articles should be titled. Their point is unlikely to succeed when raised in individual cases, but there could be a valuable centralised discussion on the principles involved. I suggest that those involved consider starting a
WP:RFC to discuss these issues, and consider any proposals for a change to the guidelines.
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs) 21:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Tina Fontaine → Murder of Tina Fontaine – The proposed title is consistent with those of other non-biographical articles about non-notable murder victims whose murders are notable. Tina Fontaine's murder is notable, but the person herself is not aside from her murder. Linguist 111 Who, me? Who? Me 22:03, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
When did the trial start? The news article I read said it began, but it's not clear if it began on the date of publication. [3] Harizotoh9 ( talk) 02:53, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
This is a fact, reported by multiple news sources. It's relevant to the case. Previous witnesses reported they believed she was drunk at the time. So instead of going by a possibly unreliable witness, we have scientific confirmation. Her impairment may have affected her judgement and her ability to fight off an attacker. It's reported that Cormier would supply her with Gabapentin and her boyfriend would spend time doing marijuana, cocaine and alcohol together. This article needs to be greatly expanded, and the testimony from the trial is going to fill in the details. And this will include references to Fontaine's drug use. It's unavoidable in the story.
Citing WP:NOTNEWS doesn't seem to follow at all. These are relevant facts to the case. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 03:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 18:19, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Murder of Tina Fontaine → Death of Tina Fontaine – Although her body clearly turned up in suspicious circumstances having been deliberately disposed of, the trial of the man accused of her murder found him not guilty with no defence being presented - the defence successfully argued that the Crown had not even proven a murder took place. It is currently unknown how Fontaine died due to a lack of forensic evidence, and calling it a murder wrongly presupposes that it was not some kind of tragic accident with a coverup or some other alternative. Wikipedia should focus on the facts and not make assumptions which are unproven. This is particularly serious since a man's name appears repeatedly in the article linked with the word 'murder' but he has now been found not guilty in a court of law. If it is later proven that Fontaine was murdered the article could be moved back to the current title (or moved to news or merged into MMIW articles if deemed not sufficiently noteworth independently) Brislian ( talk) 14:20, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
I removed the names of the officers involved in the traffic stops since they are not included in the two articles cited as sources. I have also updated the sentence to be consistent with what is actually in the cited sources. DivaNtrainin ( talk) 17:08, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus is against this move b uidh e 20:47, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Death of Tina Fontaine →
Killing of Tina Fontaine – Two years ago, mine was the sole vote in the above nomination of
Murder of Tina Fontaine →
Death of Tina Fontaine. Since there was no murder conviction, I felt obligated to vote for the proposed alternative, but should have actually voted: oppose "Death of...", but support "Killing of..." Taking into account that there was sufficient evidence to bring about a charge of murder, this was certainly not a natural or a historical death, such as
Death of Ludwig van Beethoven or
Death of Edgar Allan Poe. She was obviously killed, since her body was "wrapped in plastic and a duvet cover and weighed down with rocks in the Red River." Given those facts and the resulting murder charge, it would seem that the article's main title header should be at least "Killing of...", rather than simply "Death of..." —
Roman Spinner
(talk •
contribs) 23:52, 16 April 2020 (UTC) —Relisting.
BD2412
T 02:35, 25 April 2020 (UTC)