It was a little more serious than
...a demonstration by the Anti-Nazi League against a National Front election meeting taking place in the town hall.
The local Asian population were very vocal in their opposition to the meeting (and it should be noted that the area the candidates were being chosen to represent was nowhere near Southall, and was part of then NF policy to hold contentious meetings in areas of high non-white populations to both gain media coverage and to intimidate the locals) and attempted to physically stop NF members from gaining access to the hall. The NF were unprepared for the level of hostility and physical threat, being used to intimidating other ethnic groups who did not have the traditions of the local Pathan/Pashtun derived population, and called in the police. The arrival of the Special Patrol Group, notorious in their application of force against non-Middle Class/white groups (my opinion based on observation), precipitated a riot. Peach was struck during this phrase. Further and more intense rioting resulted in the aftermath of his reported death. This was primarily between the local Asian population, together with sympathisers and other locals against the police, who were regarded as part of a racist, reactionary, State apparatus. The NF were very little in evidence after the initial trouble.
Whilst Peach is notable, and worthy of his own article, the premise behind the protests, and why they turned into days and nights of rioting, and the subsequent results (the SPG was serverely criticised, and eventually disbanded, and the NF were banned from holding meetings outside of constituencies they were contesting and also declined as a political force). As such, I think an article titled Southall Riots should be created, detailing all of the above. I am not, however, the person to write it - I would not be able to contain my bias' toward both the event and the political/cultural landscape of the time. LessHeard vanU 21:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Assassination requires the targeting of an indivudual - Peach was allegedly killed by policemen who believed that it was sufficient that he was agitating for the removal of the NF from the area, and was therefore a legitimate case for a swinging truncheon. <redacted>. LessHeard vanU 12:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
as·sas·si·nate ( -s s -n t ). tr.v. as·sas·si·nat·ed, as·sas·si·nat·ing, as·sas·si·nates. 1. To murder by surprise attack, as for political reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.91.41.49 ( talk) 03:58, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
Re this edit summary, I am concerned over the bias which may be apparent in this - and a previous one - edit summary. While the SPG holding of illegal weapons may have included items originating from the RUC there is no source for this fact, and therefore it cannot be said if a majority or even a significant minority of them, nor why the RUC are specifically mentioned (just because they were another police unit with some very dubious attitudes does not mean there was any link). If there is a source that makes some connection between the SPG and RUC as regards Blair Peach (or the SPG's unsavoury methods of that time) then it needs to be quoted - otherwise mention of the RUC does not belong in the article. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 15:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Maybe I am missing something as an American but why would a state school be named after a Communist who somehow thought he had the "right" to use deadly force (stoning with bricks) to stop members of a political party from peacefully assembling?
For the benefit of the anonymous American contributor, a brief history of the naming of Blair Peach School: it was a brand new school which opened in 1986. Ealing's in-coming Labour Council named the school after Blair after representations from parents and anti-fascist groups. Some time after the Conservatives seized control of Ealing Council in 1990, despite having no representation in the Southall part of the borough, they announced they would rename the school: they were supported in this regard by letters in the local newspaper from members of neo-Nazi and holocaust denying groups. The new council announced a parents' "consultation", and gave them an option of two alternative names, however no parents opted for either name - preferring instead the old one. The council then imposed a name (Hayes Bridge School). When Labour regained control of Ealing Council in 1994, it bowed to the popular wishes of the community to have the Blair Peach name reinstated. I and one other anti-fascist were co-opted onto the school governing body to help plan the renaming ceremony, which was attended by Peter Hain MP and members of the local police. A commemorative booklet was issued which chronicled the experiences of Indian and other children growing up in Southall and their experiences of bussing and other forms of racism. Those who opposed the name of Blair Peach merely succeeded in giving increased prominence to the integral part he played in Southall's history. The Conservatives subsequently succeeded in regaining control of Ealing Council (from 2006-10) but made no further attempt to alter the school name preferring, instead, to broaden their electoral appeal to an increasingly affluent local Indian population. They now routinely poll one third of the total votes cast in that area, rather than the 10 per cent they were polling twenty years ago. Multiculturalist ( talk) 08:56, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Great article, good discussion; could you just help please with what is 'bussing' - I am guessing that it's segration of bus use on the basis of race, but couldn't find any references/explanations on the www to confirm that. Mungo Shuntbox ( talk) 06:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
In answer to your question, "bussing" took place in Southall between 1963 and 1979. It was introduced at the behest of a white residents association who did not want Indian children mixing with their own children. The council agreed and stipulated that no school could have more than a one third proportion of Asian pupils. It did so under the spurious pretence of wanting to help with integration (i.e. by introducing Southall's Asian pupils to those indigenous white pupils who were attending schools elsewhere in the borough). As a result vast numbers of Indian kids were bussed out of the area but as the central Southall district was almost 100% Asian by the 1970s the policy ended up being scrapped. Multiculturalist ( talk) 22:26, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
If somebody more used to wikipedia systems could check this point and maybe consider editing the sub section SEE ALSO to include JAMES ASHLEY - also shot by police - there is an article about J A on wikipedia here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ashley. I am surprised that Ashley is not listed and linked.
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but as wiki is lorded over by far left communists, it is just another normal article on here. He, along with thousands of others attacked a meeting by another party (whoever they were it doesnt matter) having a peacefull meeting. To stop people getting hurt police was despatched to stop the trouble makers. He got struck, once. and died. Hardly an assassination!! A JURY found the police innocent and classed it as death by misadventure, IE HIS OWN FAULT. But no, the far left communists on here that preach freedom for all decide what is actually allowed to written on wiki and say its a political assassination!! Wiki was such a fantastic idea, and now it is the laughing stock of the world, as are the far left loonies who run it! Good bed fellows. A fool goes to attack other people and dies because of his own stupidy, hardly a loss to the world is it. Wait for all the lefty haters to start the personal attacks on me after this statement! Couldn't care less, I have a real life that is going amazingly well. I dont sit alone on my PC all day finding people to blame and hate because my life is so shit. It cant possibly be your fault that you are so pathetic can it. lol ^^^ In answer to whoever wrote this: it's okay we make allowances for the fact that you're not terribly intelligent. Multiculturalist ( talk) 22:27, 21 September 2014 (UTC) |
Abductive, any chance you discuss the unnecessary changes, rather than just revert again? - SchroCat ( talk) 09:18, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
The fact Blair Peach was killed by the police is stated in several RS eg.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/21/southall-demands-justice-killing-of-blair-peach-1979 https://www.channel4.com/news/undercover-policing-blair-peachs-partner-horrified-to-have-been-spied-on
Boynamedsue ( talk) 05:33, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
There are literally dozens of sources which state that Blair Peach was killed by the police, the fact this happened is not questioned by anybody, and it merits a place in the first sentence. Here are a selection of quotes from RS books and journal articles:
"following the killing of Blair Peach by a police officer's truncheon"
"There was a violent confrontation, the SPG led a charge down a road and Blair Peach was killed by a blow to the head. The group of 6 SPG officers responsible were identified by an internal police inquiry..."
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1409920?seq=1
"Following the controversy which surrounded the deaths of Jimmy Kelly and Blair Peach at the hands of the police..."
I'm not on my computer which has journal logins, I'm pretty sure I can put in another few. Have you got any modern sources which disagree with this verdict? Boynamedsue ( talk) 09:01, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
was hit on the head, probably by a member of the Special Patrol Group (SPG), a specialist unit within the Metropolitan Police Service. He died in hospital that night”. And yet you want to repeat this exact same information in the same paragraph? 109.249.185.75 ( talk) 10:52, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
And you also appear to be restating your point, and you seem to be putting forward some straw man to suggest the lead is incorrect. It isn’t. The opening paragraph states he was most likely killed as a result of a blow on the head by a member of an SPG Unit. This is in line with 99 percent of the sources and is therefore the way we need to do it. There is no need to repeat the information over again (a sure sign of very poor writing). This is an FA, which means it has been through two community review processes, both of which thought the lead was well written and entirely acceptable. It is certainly better than the versions you have put forward. I suggest we wait until anyone else chips in with their thoughts, but the WP:STATUSQUO remains in place until a new consensus is reached. 109.249.185.75 ( talk) 11:07, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
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It was a little more serious than
...a demonstration by the Anti-Nazi League against a National Front election meeting taking place in the town hall.
The local Asian population were very vocal in their opposition to the meeting (and it should be noted that the area the candidates were being chosen to represent was nowhere near Southall, and was part of then NF policy to hold contentious meetings in areas of high non-white populations to both gain media coverage and to intimidate the locals) and attempted to physically stop NF members from gaining access to the hall. The NF were unprepared for the level of hostility and physical threat, being used to intimidating other ethnic groups who did not have the traditions of the local Pathan/Pashtun derived population, and called in the police. The arrival of the Special Patrol Group, notorious in their application of force against non-Middle Class/white groups (my opinion based on observation), precipitated a riot. Peach was struck during this phrase. Further and more intense rioting resulted in the aftermath of his reported death. This was primarily between the local Asian population, together with sympathisers and other locals against the police, who were regarded as part of a racist, reactionary, State apparatus. The NF were very little in evidence after the initial trouble.
Whilst Peach is notable, and worthy of his own article, the premise behind the protests, and why they turned into days and nights of rioting, and the subsequent results (the SPG was serverely criticised, and eventually disbanded, and the NF were banned from holding meetings outside of constituencies they were contesting and also declined as a political force). As such, I think an article titled Southall Riots should be created, detailing all of the above. I am not, however, the person to write it - I would not be able to contain my bias' toward both the event and the political/cultural landscape of the time. LessHeard vanU 21:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Assassination requires the targeting of an indivudual - Peach was allegedly killed by policemen who believed that it was sufficient that he was agitating for the removal of the NF from the area, and was therefore a legitimate case for a swinging truncheon. <redacted>. LessHeard vanU 12:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
as·sas·si·nate ( -s s -n t ). tr.v. as·sas·si·nat·ed, as·sas·si·nat·ing, as·sas·si·nates. 1. To murder by surprise attack, as for political reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.91.41.49 ( talk) 03:58, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
Re this edit summary, I am concerned over the bias which may be apparent in this - and a previous one - edit summary. While the SPG holding of illegal weapons may have included items originating from the RUC there is no source for this fact, and therefore it cannot be said if a majority or even a significant minority of them, nor why the RUC are specifically mentioned (just because they were another police unit with some very dubious attitudes does not mean there was any link). If there is a source that makes some connection between the SPG and RUC as regards Blair Peach (or the SPG's unsavoury methods of that time) then it needs to be quoted - otherwise mention of the RUC does not belong in the article. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 15:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Maybe I am missing something as an American but why would a state school be named after a Communist who somehow thought he had the "right" to use deadly force (stoning with bricks) to stop members of a political party from peacefully assembling?
For the benefit of the anonymous American contributor, a brief history of the naming of Blair Peach School: it was a brand new school which opened in 1986. Ealing's in-coming Labour Council named the school after Blair after representations from parents and anti-fascist groups. Some time after the Conservatives seized control of Ealing Council in 1990, despite having no representation in the Southall part of the borough, they announced they would rename the school: they were supported in this regard by letters in the local newspaper from members of neo-Nazi and holocaust denying groups. The new council announced a parents' "consultation", and gave them an option of two alternative names, however no parents opted for either name - preferring instead the old one. The council then imposed a name (Hayes Bridge School). When Labour regained control of Ealing Council in 1994, it bowed to the popular wishes of the community to have the Blair Peach name reinstated. I and one other anti-fascist were co-opted onto the school governing body to help plan the renaming ceremony, which was attended by Peter Hain MP and members of the local police. A commemorative booklet was issued which chronicled the experiences of Indian and other children growing up in Southall and their experiences of bussing and other forms of racism. Those who opposed the name of Blair Peach merely succeeded in giving increased prominence to the integral part he played in Southall's history. The Conservatives subsequently succeeded in regaining control of Ealing Council (from 2006-10) but made no further attempt to alter the school name preferring, instead, to broaden their electoral appeal to an increasingly affluent local Indian population. They now routinely poll one third of the total votes cast in that area, rather than the 10 per cent they were polling twenty years ago. Multiculturalist ( talk) 08:56, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Great article, good discussion; could you just help please with what is 'bussing' - I am guessing that it's segration of bus use on the basis of race, but couldn't find any references/explanations on the www to confirm that. Mungo Shuntbox ( talk) 06:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
In answer to your question, "bussing" took place in Southall between 1963 and 1979. It was introduced at the behest of a white residents association who did not want Indian children mixing with their own children. The council agreed and stipulated that no school could have more than a one third proportion of Asian pupils. It did so under the spurious pretence of wanting to help with integration (i.e. by introducing Southall's Asian pupils to those indigenous white pupils who were attending schools elsewhere in the borough). As a result vast numbers of Indian kids were bussed out of the area but as the central Southall district was almost 100% Asian by the 1970s the policy ended up being scrapped. Multiculturalist ( talk) 22:26, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
If somebody more used to wikipedia systems could check this point and maybe consider editing the sub section SEE ALSO to include JAMES ASHLEY - also shot by police - there is an article about J A on wikipedia here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ashley. I am surprised that Ashley is not listed and linked.
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but as wiki is lorded over by far left communists, it is just another normal article on here. He, along with thousands of others attacked a meeting by another party (whoever they were it doesnt matter) having a peacefull meeting. To stop people getting hurt police was despatched to stop the trouble makers. He got struck, once. and died. Hardly an assassination!! A JURY found the police innocent and classed it as death by misadventure, IE HIS OWN FAULT. But no, the far left communists on here that preach freedom for all decide what is actually allowed to written on wiki and say its a political assassination!! Wiki was such a fantastic idea, and now it is the laughing stock of the world, as are the far left loonies who run it! Good bed fellows. A fool goes to attack other people and dies because of his own stupidy, hardly a loss to the world is it. Wait for all the lefty haters to start the personal attacks on me after this statement! Couldn't care less, I have a real life that is going amazingly well. I dont sit alone on my PC all day finding people to blame and hate because my life is so shit. It cant possibly be your fault that you are so pathetic can it. lol ^^^ In answer to whoever wrote this: it's okay we make allowances for the fact that you're not terribly intelligent. Multiculturalist ( talk) 22:27, 21 September 2014 (UTC) |
Abductive, any chance you discuss the unnecessary changes, rather than just revert again? - SchroCat ( talk) 09:18, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
The fact Blair Peach was killed by the police is stated in several RS eg.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/21/southall-demands-justice-killing-of-blair-peach-1979 https://www.channel4.com/news/undercover-policing-blair-peachs-partner-horrified-to-have-been-spied-on
Boynamedsue ( talk) 05:33, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
There are literally dozens of sources which state that Blair Peach was killed by the police, the fact this happened is not questioned by anybody, and it merits a place in the first sentence. Here are a selection of quotes from RS books and journal articles:
"following the killing of Blair Peach by a police officer's truncheon"
"There was a violent confrontation, the SPG led a charge down a road and Blair Peach was killed by a blow to the head. The group of 6 SPG officers responsible were identified by an internal police inquiry..."
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1409920?seq=1
"Following the controversy which surrounded the deaths of Jimmy Kelly and Blair Peach at the hands of the police..."
I'm not on my computer which has journal logins, I'm pretty sure I can put in another few. Have you got any modern sources which disagree with this verdict? Boynamedsue ( talk) 09:01, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
was hit on the head, probably by a member of the Special Patrol Group (SPG), a specialist unit within the Metropolitan Police Service. He died in hospital that night”. And yet you want to repeat this exact same information in the same paragraph? 109.249.185.75 ( talk) 10:52, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
And you also appear to be restating your point, and you seem to be putting forward some straw man to suggest the lead is incorrect. It isn’t. The opening paragraph states he was most likely killed as a result of a blow on the head by a member of an SPG Unit. This is in line with 99 percent of the sources and is therefore the way we need to do it. There is no need to repeat the information over again (a sure sign of very poor writing). This is an FA, which means it has been through two community review processes, both of which thought the lead was well written and entirely acceptable. It is certainly better than the versions you have put forward. I suggest we wait until anyone else chips in with their thoughts, but the WP:STATUSQUO remains in place until a new consensus is reached. 109.249.185.75 ( talk) 11:07, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
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