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Shouldn't it be called a "death notepad"? Seems like a mistranslation to me. -- 132.68.41.57 10:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't mind this information, since it doesn't spoil the story as much as the info about who dies and whatnot. But does anyone have a source for this information? Or the number of the chapter where this is revealed? -- Mythril 21:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
It's confirmed that Rem is female in ch 47. -Anonymous
Yeah, Mello's a male. But the fact that he likes to wear skin-tight leather sorta contradicts his image. >_> -- Jinjo Ghost 23:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
This page has some spoilers above the spoiler line. Section 2.6 is named "Successors to L" and it appears in the table of contents well above the spoiler warning. Perhaps this should be fixed?
I still think this is a stub. There isn't anything but two paragraphs and the rules. Hm, perhaps a picture could fix that ;)? Philip Nilsson 09:08, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
http://www.apparentlyappalled.com
IIRC it had some relevant information. No longer though. — Philip N. ✉ 21:36, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
I was curious, does anyone think that Shidou (one of the Shinigami) might actually be an over-literal translation of the name Cid? Seeing as there's English names throughout the series. - Pandaman87 21:34, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Removed the part about it being made into an anime until we can get a source on that. Something from a message board doesn't really count as a source, unless if there is a link which can be confirmed as being from the studio themselves. -- Burbster 22:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Is it just me or L kind of looks like Howard Hughes in his paranoid phase, sans beard and germ phobia. You know like Mr. Burns in that Simpsons episode where Burns starts a casino. His fingernails are long, and he dresses very loosely. Maybe he is based on somebody else... Anybody here to clarify.
"The last episode, which was released on May 2006, is heavily criticized by fans because it is very very inappropriate and not up to the standard."
This is so subjective it reeks of fanboy. Someone please change this.
What the heck? "Characters that die"?? Is that section entirely necessary? Not only is it a major spoiler, but rather indecent as well. Rexas 18:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Since there are quite a lot of Death Note rules ( http://www.deathgod.org/main.php?x=info/dnterms), should there be a separate article with all the rules or should they be lumped together on this page? StrawHatLuffy 17:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I removed the line "In short, a super hot guy who just happens to be brilliant." from the short bio of Light on the main page and replaced it with something more suitable. Wikipedia is not a toy to descibe how attractive people are. Espically when it has no relevance to the brunt of the subject. 3:00, 1 July 2006 (US Central)
I noticed a mention about this in the Unwritten Rules section. I think there should a bit more information on this. When/where was it published? What else was said in it? -- Trance 18:54, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
In the two years of publishing of Death Note, nobody seems to have noted the fact that both Light Yagami and L are Mary Sue characters. They share a lot of common characteristics to this kind of character. -- Loborojo
So you're saying that Light and L are basically perfect people, who use their flaws to become all the more popular??? IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK??? HUH??? HUH??!! Yeah, I agree with you =) If you want to add that, don't be afraid to! SuperDT 05:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
P.S. You know I was just kidding with the "IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK??? HUH??? HUH??!!" part, right? Good, cause some people get really butt-hurt about that ^_^
Basically they share a lot of common characteristics with Mary Sues. I tested Light with the * The Universal Mary-Sue Litmus Test, and this character scored 158. Above 50 is enough for a character to be considered a definitive Mary Sue. The marysueism in DN is particularly annoying to me, and I can't understand why DN is praised so much when the script is so focused in portraying the characters in an indulgent way. -- Loborojo
I fail to see a need to include this until there is official criticism of the series mentioning it. This would go under original research as of now, eh? That's not what Wikipedia is for. It's not a critique and rating system; it's here to provide information about the series. -- Trance 00:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, Trance does have a point. SuperDT 08:01, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
If it's about objectiveness, why is the Death Note article filled with all the subjective positive point of view found in most animanga articles? I don't see how Light is "An intelligent young man who picked up the Death Note" and L has "his great powers of deduction and insight" when it's the author who is manipulating every other character around to make the scenario as favorable as possible for the protagonists. -- Loborojo
Yes, I see a lost notebook, I pick it up therefore I AM INTELLIGENT.
Sure.
We never see Light actually STUDYING, but we've to believe he's #1 just because the script writer says so. We see FBI agents in Japan even though they're not supposed to be there, but we've to believe it because the script writer says so. An so on. Please people...
OK, let's consider a description with commercial purpose neutral. Let's go to the Coca Cola article and write it's the best drink ever invented and Polar bears love it... Hey it's NEUTRAL! I understand what you mean but from what I see, it is NOT neutral Loborojo
Since Ohba made him into an intelligent guy, we can put it as the truth. Anyone else who says he is intelligent and that his intelligence was never in the story, that wouldn't be neutral. Light being an adorably cute guy, that isn't really neautral. He is suppose to be cute and popular for the whole ladies and manipulation part of it but it was never written down that he was as lovable as a bear. We did see him studying...for one on the video camera arc, and the reason why we saw his teacher was so that we can see him being pressured to be at the top spot again. It was also clearly written that L and Light both got into Toudo University (I think the first part is spelt wrong) with a perfect score...(and that was their version of The University of Tokyo since it was such a top college.) If the author told us that he is an intelligent young man, he is an intelligent young man. If the author told us he was popular, he is. And for the former and the latter, Ohba told and Obata showed. For SJ, a fan, or an anime director telling us that, it wouldn't be entirely the truth...would it.
"Yes, I see a lost notebook, I pick it up therefore I AM INTELLIGENT." - Loborojo
Nope, that wasn't what the writer meant. It ment that he is (1)intelligent and (2)he picked up a notebook. But it would be best to rearrange some of the words anyways if you still think it isn't neutral. What I am saying is if it is considered as a truth (that we get it from the story), it shouldn't be a bias favoring Light. - GatoGirl 12345
Anyone knows?
I want to know if Death Note is original creation, or under influence of western suspense novel. 218.111.216.176 14:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
There was a Japanese story that was similar to DN that was created earlier. The idea, as the author said, isn't that new. - GatoGirl 12345 (No Account)
Well I remember reading manga 11 and it said that the DEATH NOTE come in diffrent colors if that is true then why do we see only black DEATH NOTE's any explenations for that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KiravsL7 ( talk • contribs) 23:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I heard from somewhere that there is going to be a sequel to the anime, is this true? And if so, what information has been released on it? 69.67.92.147 ( talk) 14:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Seinen is the more appropriate term for this kind of Anime. Not only gore or "H" content can make an anime shonen, the complex and the adult theme, in the non-sexual meaning of it, make this anime recommended to the grownup crowd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.173.143.4 ( talk) 15:50, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
People might say, if it is NOT Shonen, why is it published on Shonen Jump -->
Since it is a highly ambitious series expected to be the main series of the year, the widespread Shonen Jump probably was the only medium suited for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.173.143.4 ( talk) 15:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Right... Eh, I agree with the comment that if it wasn't Shonen it wouldn't be in the Shonen Jump. Unless there are some crazy things I have no idea about, shonen mangas go in a shonen magazine =)
71.234.99.64 (
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20:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
probably not a big deal, but the adult swim online stream updates with a new episode on Friday night not Saturday, a day before the television premiere. 209.6.168.94 ( talk) 04:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Then correct it :) If you know it's right, then why should we be discussing it? IceUnshattered ( talk) 20:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Those two articles are taking up way too much weight for such minor topics. This is a single series that can easily incorporate all of the possible information in an appropriate amount of prose. No, it will not be too long, and no, these are not appropriate summary style splits. TTN ( talk) 00:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I would like to mention that in an argument such as this one, that we all should attempt to be WP:CIVIL and make sure to not create any WP:NPA.-- Sunny910910 ( talk| Contributions) 04:54, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think a merge is appropriate, some content obviously has to be maintained on the main page for the series, but "List of characters" articles can provide useful introductions and summaries of the elements of a series. I am not opposed to these kinds of articles, and think that this one contains enough useful content to merit its existence. -- BigCow ( talk) 21:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree almost completely with what Trust Not The Penguin/The Rogue Penguin has been saying all along. I think the split is appropriate, as the only way to merge while keeping it at a decent length seems like it would result in a loss of content, which I believe would have an adverse effect. Therefore, I'm against the [originally] proposed merge. The suggestion to merge the Shinigami article into the character article is a good one, though. -- HeavenlyEire ( talk) 08:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I think that the list of characters is not needed in the main article, as it's already big enough. Please, have pity to us, Pocket PC owners. :) But I agree that merging Shinigami is a good idea. -- deerstop ( talk) 20:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree. Nothing wrong with having a separate List of Death Note characters. Shinigami, however, should probably be merged into the character article. AnmaFinotera ( talk) 21:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I also agree with the list of characters being seprate —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poohman0 ( talk • contribs) 02:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with not merging the characters page to the main article. If having a brief summmary on the main article is bad, then just delete it and add a link to the characters page. BioYu-Gi! ( talk) 17:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I have seen the following (paraphrased) arguments for why the List of Death Note characters should be merged into the main article: 1.)"characters are an aspect normally best covered in the main article" - a silly assertion to make as the main characters are already covered, with a link to the List article for the rest of the characters; moreover, many of these are characters that appear in more than one incarnation of the series, and the list of them is fairly short and concise. A list of all the remotely important characters in the series, though, would be far too long to just cram into the main article without either making the main article longer than guidelines encourage (and those guidelines are there for a reason!), or losing valuable information, or even both.
2.) The series is "too short" to merit it. I fail to see how 108 chapters/12 volumes of manga + 37 episodes of anime + multiple films is really all that "short"; in fact, 12 volumes is pretty darn long for a manga. Moreover, having read the whole manga by now, they have many new characters introduced at a fairly fast pace... many of whom, despite not being "main" characters, actually play a pretty big role in the series or plot (Raye Penbar, for instance). Some of these are even gone into detail on in the How to Read guide, including notes on their roles and development, especially when it comes to their role in the plot. This is far too much sourceable, informative, even notable content to neglect entirely, that nonetheless does not warrant dozens upon dozens of separate articles, but would also make the page absurdly long if included in the main article (remember, page size and article length are ALWAYS a concern here); having ONE character list with all of the key minor characters and relevant details on their development and role in the plot is a good idea, since it keeps it reined in without overloading the main page too much.
Now, the Shinigami article is probably supurfluous; not that I've looked at it yet, but all of the shinigami in the series are characters, and are fairly few in number regarding the important ones, and can thus be at least probably be included on the character list.
I also won't argue that the character list can't possibly need cleaning up, since I haven't read through all of it in detail yet (though the bottom of the page actually looks pretty decent, covering the key roles of the characters and a tiny bit about their development, all in very brief and fairly neutral words, which ostensibly is good form on Wiki, establishing contextual notability and citation of non-Wikipedia info sources to boot). I'm just saying - considering that the series is long, and does have a large, LARGE number of recurring characters or minor characters that play a big role in the series, much of whom have citable information on them from the How To Read book, I find it somewhat astounding that there are a people that honestly think the information on key minor characters should just be dumped back into the main article or erased, as opposed to simply tidying up the List article a little. You guys have very little concept of just how enormous this article would become in length, I think, nor how surprisingly important a large number of these characters are to the plot development, to think that such a thing would be a better idea than just simply cleaning up the List of characters article. Hell, if you want, I'll do a little of that a little in the coming weeks myself; I have a copy of How To Read, so it shouldn't be all that hard. 70.118.80.144 ( talk) 05:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
So, Sesshomaru - Wouldn't it be a sort-of merge with some information going to the Death Note page and some information going to the Characters page? I'm not entirely sure if I want it be merged just yet, so let's see how the information would be distributed. I have used most of How to Read but I haven't used everything yet. According to Wikipedia:FICT#Summary_style_approach_for_spinout_articles it is acceptable to have "spinout" articles - "A spinout article on a single character or element that lacks sources of real-world coverage may be appropriate when the amount of content for that element would be distracting or otherwise too long within a parent topic or spinout article, as described by summary style." - I could see later tonight if I could add more information from HTR about the production of the series and about the Shinigami. WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
The creators also discussed the popularity of Death Note and how they reacted to the popularity and discussion so I will add this in the reception section. This week when I finish my assignments I will do this. :) WhisperToMe ( talk) 09:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
There is still more content that I have to add regarding rules of the Shinigami realm, aspects of the Shinigami, and punishments for Shinigami who break rules. WhisperToMe ( talk) 08:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I have seen that someone has taken it upon themself to create character pages for Light Yagami, L, and Misa Amane. I personally question the notability of the three characters, but there is also a matter that there are not respective pages for Mello, Near, and Mikami Teru. I suggest re-merging the three character pages into the List of Death Note Character page, or if you would like, create character pages for Mello, Near, and Mikami Teru. After all, they all count as "main characters", correct?
Please offer your opinions on this. Love, IceUnshattered ( talk) 18:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Notice how the list of Death Note characters is... a rather long, article, isn't it? WP:FICT has a provision:
I feel that the thesis of the above response is completely incorrect and misses the point of Wikipedia:FICT#Summary_style_approach_for_spinout_articles. It doesn't matter that "adding every last thing from every single source" doesn't make them notable. The criterion for creating of separate articles is relative length of the original "list of characters" article and not notability. In fact "spinout" articles, according to FICT, are to be treated as sections of the parent article. ("Spinout articles should be judged as if it were still a section of the parent article, and identified in the lead section as an article covering elements within a fictional work.") The FICT article unambiguously describes this. I am not "ignoring FICT" (Why does fict have an entire section dedicated to spinout articles?) and I find the final above sentence dangerously close to being a personal attack. Let's talk about the issue and not about my preferences in fiction.
I agree with WhisperToMe on that topic. List of Death Note Characters is quite long, and after examining WP:FICT and the Spinout Article section, I think that it's appropriate that Misa, Light, and L have their own articles. I just hope that other editors will respect this and will consider this if Misa, Light, and L ever go for the GA status.
So, do you think making spinoff articles for Mello, Near, and Mikami would be a good idea? IceUnshattered ( talk) 21:04, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
If you want an example of "Reception" that could be used for other characters see Misa_Amane#Reception WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Eh, I've been flipping through the reception categories for all Death Note characters with their own pages (L, Light, Misa), and there really isn't much. IceUnshattered ( talk) 21:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Is there a particular reason this article refers to Ohba-san as "he," when, in fact, she has been repeatedly referanced as being female? (Volume 13, or example) Din's Fire 997 ( talk) 07:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Is Tsugumi even a real name? If so, is it generally a male or female name? I have heard people claim that Tsugumi is used for females, but I've never ever heard of another person with that name. I believe I sort of tried to research this for myself once in the past, and all I remember finding was some book with a female protagonist named Tsugumi. Chibi Gohan ( talk) 06:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I noticed with the recent additions to this front page that the article is becoming extreamly long. So would it be a good idea to split the stuff like the video games and the bottem information into a page called List of Death Note media? RedEyesMetal ( talk) 19:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
It seems that the plot section should summerize the full story, from begining the end, not just the first few episodes. FYI, Wikipedia:Spoiler.→ 041744 02:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I think a lot could be added to the "controversy" section of the death note page. There have bee nmany stories of people using their own Death Notes and getting i ntrouble for it, including one involving me and 18 other kids in my school. Ace-katana ( talk) 20:40, 3 May 2008 (UTC) ace-katana
Mabye the editors here at Death Note should create a wikia for the series, like Naruto [2] and several other manga series already did. It could be used to store in-universe information not used here (minor character can even get articles), making it an alternative source for Death Note fans, since Wikipedia has rules about how much in-universe info can be in a page. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares ( talk) 14:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I like that idea, especially concerning the recent discussion over character pages. It would be helpful to have a little summary here on Wikipedia, as not in-universe as possible, and then the primarily in-universe all-Death Note wikia. The only concerns I have are that a) Are there enough people stalking this talk page who have enough time and resources to do this? b) Do we have enough info on the actual DeathNote series itself to create a separate wikia? IceUnshattered ( talk) 21:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah, oh! -cough cough- There's one already. Here. IceUnshattered ( talk) 00:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
This should be succinct. It has way too much detail and unnecessary information. SilverOrion —Preceding comment was added at 11:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I think that we should the plot summary to the top , so it'll be right after the contents table and above Development and Creation
-- GuardianFayt ( talk) 12:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
The Death Note article states that "Death Notes all have rules written on the Note's first page." This is not true. Shinigami already know the rules, so to have them written down is unneeded. Ryuk wrote them down on one notebook so that the human who found it would know what it did, and since Light is the one who found Ryuk's notebook, only Light's Death Note had rules in it. He later copied the rules down for Mikami's use - but most Death Notes will not have rules written on them. Luscinae ( talk) 03:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone made a reference to the fact this: [link removed]
sounds like this: [link removed]
Its not the exact same of course but I was wondering if maybe there has been mention of the similarities of the openings in interviews with the creators of Death Note or mentioned by the press at some point. 68.226.119.187 ( talk) 08:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
It isn't the same, but they do sound a lot similar. Also this isn't the first time an anime has used a tune and modified it a bit, like Orochimaru's theme song from Naruto is similar to Toccata and Fugue in D Minor. This: [link removed] Sounds like this: [link removed] Moocowsrule ( talk) 20:23, 31 May 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule
I'm a recent fan of the series and noticed something peculiar at the back of my mind; the characters of the series (namely light and L) seem to be using a desktop Operating system reminiscent to that of a GNU/Linux desktop environment. This is viewable most notably when Light accesses his fathers computer and additionally (in an episode from 18-22, I can't remember which sorry) in the background of a conversation between L and other characters you can see an effect on the desktop similar (I say similar as a key word here) to an effect plug-in available in Compiz-fusion referred to as "water effect" (the effect in this plug-in is called "rain" and as far as I know these effects are only likely to be seen on a GNU/Linux platform). If no one else has seen this either not enough GNU/Linux users are watching Death Note closely enough or simply I'm mistaken and it's only a similarity. If someone can research into this and maybe get a reputable source indicating this usage I think it'd be something important to note about this animation series or at least it's characters in particular. Thanks for any responses in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nullhility ( talk • contribs) 13:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Quote: A third movie premiered in February 2008, titled L: Change the WorLd. It is a spin-off focusing on L. Focuses on the last 23 days of L's life-span to solve the case that threaten the world.
The last sentence should be combined with its predecessor, and read something more like: It is a spin-off focusing on L, centering on the last 23 days of his life, spent solving a case that threatens the world. (or something like that) -- the existing last sentence has several minor grammar errors and is a bit stilted. I'd fix it myself but it's semi-locked.
I was reading through the article and read the section on L the Prologue to DEATH NOTE Rasen no Wana, and saw the Romaji. It said Eru za Purorōgu tu Desu Nōto -Rasen no Wana, and although this is a minor error, the character tu as mentioned in the article, does not exist in Japanese. The closest character would have to be Tsu. Being a noobie on Wikipedia, I can't edit this, so I'm asking somebody else to. Moocowsrule ( talk) 20:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule
Tsu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsu_%28kana%29 Tu: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Tu_%28kana%29&redirect=no Moocowsrule ( talk) 20:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule
Maybe the character. In Japanese "tu" is not a sound. Moocowsrule ( talk) 05:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Shirokage
No, I know, it's that in traditional Japanese I don't believe there's the sound tu or ti, only tsu or chi. That's why loanwords such as two are tsu not tu. And I know that a smaller character indicates either a Sokuon or changes the sound and reading of the larger character. Like Shi (シ) becomes Sho (ショ) with the small character o. And putting a small Shi (ッ) is a Sokuon which doubles the letter after it, like in Matte (まッて). Moocowsrule ( talk) 07:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule
I'm probably not the first person to mention this, but because Mellow and Near were possible succesors to L, L = M or N. LMN. Once again, this part of the alphabet being linked to the character's names has probably already been realized, and possibly confirmed. I'm not sure what I'm putting it here for, but somebody might be able to use it to improve the article (not me, since I'm more of discussion and fix minor errors kind of person). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.218.12.31 ( talk) 21:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
And the Novel had a guy named B —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.12.141 ( talk) 11:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
There's all this talk about Death Note: How to read 13, but what is it actually? Is it a manga, an anime, an interview of some sort? 84.87.168.39 ( talk) 16:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
What happened to the section that had the DVD series release dates in North America? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dumaka ( talk • contribs) 01:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
The section is WAY too clunky and filled with irrelevant junk. I've streamlined it to feature the most relevant material and placed it below the plot summary/deathnote rules section, so that the later two sections don't get buried by the development section-- BakerBaker ( talk) 17:44, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, this is my first contribution to the Wiki, but I noticed that in the main Death Note article, little mention is made of Gelus in the Shinigami section. I think it is important to include Gelus in the list as Misa Amane originally gains her Death Note when Gelus dies in order to save Misa from a stalker. Blood Red Rain ( talk) 14:47, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Is also 6.66 minutes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hakageryu ( talk • contribs) 07:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC) (extremely late reply) Well, does that matter? IceUnshattered ( talk) 20:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
If someone could please answer this question it would be most appreciated: why is shinigami so often in italic text throughout this page? ♥ Tory~♥ Amulet♥ Heart♥ 20:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I added a reference to Carl Kimlinger's strikingly negative review of Death Note that just appeared in the current issue of Protoculture Addicts. Not all reviews of Death Note are positive, and such reviews need to be cited to maintain a balance among reviewers. I assume that no one is going to argue that PA is anything except a major publication covering manga and anime. Timothy Perper ( talk) 13:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Enthusiastic fans have been adding (for some time, I'm sure) a variety of "it means" and "Ohba said" style comments. All are interesting and most are unreferenced and unsourced. So they're original research. Along with a general clean-up and rewrite, this article needs sources, not more enthusiastic, interesting but undocumented fan gossip. Sorry, folks, that's how Wikipedia is -- no original research Timothy Perper ( talk) 20:48, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I removed this:
Some schools in Shenyang, People's Republic of China have banned the manga after some of their students started to tease friends and teachers by altering a notebook to resemble a Death Note and writing their names in them. The newspaper Shenyang Night Report called Death Note "poison, creating wicked hearts". One major Chinese newspaper felt that the ban is an overreaction and is inappropriate. [1]
because of the poor quality of the reference. Which schools? Which national newspaper? and we should be linking to the newspapers themselves as well as animenewsnetwork. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 07:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if this will help, but I wrote author/translator Jonathan Clements (who is fluent in both Japanese and Mandarin) to ask him about it. His response is chock full of information and sources, so I'll reproduce it here in full:
As it happens, I have written about the Death Note topic myself in the
past. Here is my column from issue 35 of the British magazine NEO, which was published in summer 2007, and which I must have written a couple of months before.
You should feel free to quote as much of this as you like, as long as you cite NEO. This article is one of the many which will be reprinted in the forthcoming Schoolgirl Milky Crisis, by the way.
35: Bum Notes
Jonathan Clements is making a list
To Beijing, where Tsugumi Oba and Takeshi Obata's Death Note manga has kicked off a local controversy. The manga, also an anime and live-action movie, features a magical notebook which will cause the death of anyone whose name is written in it. Originally a possession of a spirit of the underworld, it falls into the hands of a Japanese boy, who uses it for good – sort of Ring meets The Equalizer.
Except now Chinese junior schoolchildren have been found keeping their own Death Note notebooks, writing down the names of their classroom enemies, and putting curses on their teachers. This, say the powers that be, Must Be Stopped.
But there's more at work here. The Chinese press first began covering Death Note copycats when schools banned the manga in Shenyang. Shenyang is the capital of Manchuria, which was effectively part of Japan in the 1930s. This both predisposes the locals to follow Japanese media, and the powers that be to get huffy about it.
Death Note is also merely one of several horror comics implicated in the backlash, and many are pirate editions – could this be an underhand way of cleaning up illegal presses, rather than children's minds? The Chinese government doesn't believe in "superstition", so banning Death Note for its occult influence is the thin end of a controversial wedge that would end in recognising the existence of the supernatural!
Speaking as someone who was reprimanded at school for employing sorcery in a hockey game (long story), I can attest that this is just children being silly. Children aware of their own powerlessness start looking for it elsewhere – in the occult, in religion, in music, in sports. Girls go through a teen witch phase, little boys decide they're Jedi. In Singapore, you can buy Death Note jotters in the local equivalent of Woolworth's. The Death Note controversy is less to do with the occult, and more to do with unruly children, an admittedly macabre fad, and yet another excuse to blame Japan for modern China's social ills.
I went and checked Chinese Wikipedia. The Death Note page is very detailed, and has a section on the controversies. It cites three references, one of which is the Anglophone Reuters piece that you and your wiki-associates have already read. The earliest, however, is this one:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/school/2005-01/11/content_2446984.htm
The page is still up, and refers directly to the Shenyang incident I cited in my article. So I would say that the comments on the US Wiki page are pretty fair. I'd never heard of the Lanzhou incident before, but Lanzhou is a town I know relatively well, and it's precisely the sort of place where the news is likely to carry tales of unwelcome Japanese sorcery in the midst of Silly Season.
Incidentally, there appear to be two legal Chinese translations of Death Note, one published in Taiwan, and the other in Hong Kong. Neither is directly accessible to young Mainland Chinese readers, however, as the Taiwanese translation would be in long-form kanji, and the Hong Kong one is presumably in Cantonese.
Feel free to quote this email as well, if it helps.
I hope this provides some hard data to shore up this section. Matt Thorn ( talk) 06:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to add a new introduction with lots of references and a few "citation needed" tags. It's a lot better than before. I don't really like the way all the dates clutter up the text, so I may put the dates into the footnotes, but other people should add references if they have them. Timothy Perper ( talk) 22:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
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Shouldn't it be called a "death notepad"? Seems like a mistranslation to me. -- 132.68.41.57 10:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't mind this information, since it doesn't spoil the story as much as the info about who dies and whatnot. But does anyone have a source for this information? Or the number of the chapter where this is revealed? -- Mythril 21:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
It's confirmed that Rem is female in ch 47. -Anonymous
Yeah, Mello's a male. But the fact that he likes to wear skin-tight leather sorta contradicts his image. >_> -- Jinjo Ghost 23:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
This page has some spoilers above the spoiler line. Section 2.6 is named "Successors to L" and it appears in the table of contents well above the spoiler warning. Perhaps this should be fixed?
I still think this is a stub. There isn't anything but two paragraphs and the rules. Hm, perhaps a picture could fix that ;)? Philip Nilsson 09:08, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
http://www.apparentlyappalled.com
IIRC it had some relevant information. No longer though. — Philip N. ✉ 21:36, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
I was curious, does anyone think that Shidou (one of the Shinigami) might actually be an over-literal translation of the name Cid? Seeing as there's English names throughout the series. - Pandaman87 21:34, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Removed the part about it being made into an anime until we can get a source on that. Something from a message board doesn't really count as a source, unless if there is a link which can be confirmed as being from the studio themselves. -- Burbster 22:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Is it just me or L kind of looks like Howard Hughes in his paranoid phase, sans beard and germ phobia. You know like Mr. Burns in that Simpsons episode where Burns starts a casino. His fingernails are long, and he dresses very loosely. Maybe he is based on somebody else... Anybody here to clarify.
"The last episode, which was released on May 2006, is heavily criticized by fans because it is very very inappropriate and not up to the standard."
This is so subjective it reeks of fanboy. Someone please change this.
What the heck? "Characters that die"?? Is that section entirely necessary? Not only is it a major spoiler, but rather indecent as well. Rexas 18:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Since there are quite a lot of Death Note rules ( http://www.deathgod.org/main.php?x=info/dnterms), should there be a separate article with all the rules or should they be lumped together on this page? StrawHatLuffy 17:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I removed the line "In short, a super hot guy who just happens to be brilliant." from the short bio of Light on the main page and replaced it with something more suitable. Wikipedia is not a toy to descibe how attractive people are. Espically when it has no relevance to the brunt of the subject. 3:00, 1 July 2006 (US Central)
I noticed a mention about this in the Unwritten Rules section. I think there should a bit more information on this. When/where was it published? What else was said in it? -- Trance 18:54, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
In the two years of publishing of Death Note, nobody seems to have noted the fact that both Light Yagami and L are Mary Sue characters. They share a lot of common characteristics to this kind of character. -- Loborojo
So you're saying that Light and L are basically perfect people, who use their flaws to become all the more popular??? IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK??? HUH??? HUH??!! Yeah, I agree with you =) If you want to add that, don't be afraid to! SuperDT 05:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
P.S. You know I was just kidding with the "IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK??? HUH??? HUH??!!" part, right? Good, cause some people get really butt-hurt about that ^_^
Basically they share a lot of common characteristics with Mary Sues. I tested Light with the * The Universal Mary-Sue Litmus Test, and this character scored 158. Above 50 is enough for a character to be considered a definitive Mary Sue. The marysueism in DN is particularly annoying to me, and I can't understand why DN is praised so much when the script is so focused in portraying the characters in an indulgent way. -- Loborojo
I fail to see a need to include this until there is official criticism of the series mentioning it. This would go under original research as of now, eh? That's not what Wikipedia is for. It's not a critique and rating system; it's here to provide information about the series. -- Trance 00:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, Trance does have a point. SuperDT 08:01, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
If it's about objectiveness, why is the Death Note article filled with all the subjective positive point of view found in most animanga articles? I don't see how Light is "An intelligent young man who picked up the Death Note" and L has "his great powers of deduction and insight" when it's the author who is manipulating every other character around to make the scenario as favorable as possible for the protagonists. -- Loborojo
Yes, I see a lost notebook, I pick it up therefore I AM INTELLIGENT.
Sure.
We never see Light actually STUDYING, but we've to believe he's #1 just because the script writer says so. We see FBI agents in Japan even though they're not supposed to be there, but we've to believe it because the script writer says so. An so on. Please people...
OK, let's consider a description with commercial purpose neutral. Let's go to the Coca Cola article and write it's the best drink ever invented and Polar bears love it... Hey it's NEUTRAL! I understand what you mean but from what I see, it is NOT neutral Loborojo
Since Ohba made him into an intelligent guy, we can put it as the truth. Anyone else who says he is intelligent and that his intelligence was never in the story, that wouldn't be neutral. Light being an adorably cute guy, that isn't really neautral. He is suppose to be cute and popular for the whole ladies and manipulation part of it but it was never written down that he was as lovable as a bear. We did see him studying...for one on the video camera arc, and the reason why we saw his teacher was so that we can see him being pressured to be at the top spot again. It was also clearly written that L and Light both got into Toudo University (I think the first part is spelt wrong) with a perfect score...(and that was their version of The University of Tokyo since it was such a top college.) If the author told us that he is an intelligent young man, he is an intelligent young man. If the author told us he was popular, he is. And for the former and the latter, Ohba told and Obata showed. For SJ, a fan, or an anime director telling us that, it wouldn't be entirely the truth...would it.
"Yes, I see a lost notebook, I pick it up therefore I AM INTELLIGENT." - Loborojo
Nope, that wasn't what the writer meant. It ment that he is (1)intelligent and (2)he picked up a notebook. But it would be best to rearrange some of the words anyways if you still think it isn't neutral. What I am saying is if it is considered as a truth (that we get it from the story), it shouldn't be a bias favoring Light. - GatoGirl 12345
Anyone knows?
I want to know if Death Note is original creation, or under influence of western suspense novel. 218.111.216.176 14:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
There was a Japanese story that was similar to DN that was created earlier. The idea, as the author said, isn't that new. - GatoGirl 12345 (No Account)
Well I remember reading manga 11 and it said that the DEATH NOTE come in diffrent colors if that is true then why do we see only black DEATH NOTE's any explenations for that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KiravsL7 ( talk • contribs) 23:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I heard from somewhere that there is going to be a sequel to the anime, is this true? And if so, what information has been released on it? 69.67.92.147 ( talk) 14:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Seinen is the more appropriate term for this kind of Anime. Not only gore or "H" content can make an anime shonen, the complex and the adult theme, in the non-sexual meaning of it, make this anime recommended to the grownup crowd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.173.143.4 ( talk) 15:50, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
People might say, if it is NOT Shonen, why is it published on Shonen Jump -->
Since it is a highly ambitious series expected to be the main series of the year, the widespread Shonen Jump probably was the only medium suited for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.173.143.4 ( talk) 15:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Right... Eh, I agree with the comment that if it wasn't Shonen it wouldn't be in the Shonen Jump. Unless there are some crazy things I have no idea about, shonen mangas go in a shonen magazine =)
71.234.99.64 (
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20:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
probably not a big deal, but the adult swim online stream updates with a new episode on Friday night not Saturday, a day before the television premiere. 209.6.168.94 ( talk) 04:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Then correct it :) If you know it's right, then why should we be discussing it? IceUnshattered ( talk) 20:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Those two articles are taking up way too much weight for such minor topics. This is a single series that can easily incorporate all of the possible information in an appropriate amount of prose. No, it will not be too long, and no, these are not appropriate summary style splits. TTN ( talk) 00:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I would like to mention that in an argument such as this one, that we all should attempt to be WP:CIVIL and make sure to not create any WP:NPA.-- Sunny910910 ( talk| Contributions) 04:54, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think a merge is appropriate, some content obviously has to be maintained on the main page for the series, but "List of characters" articles can provide useful introductions and summaries of the elements of a series. I am not opposed to these kinds of articles, and think that this one contains enough useful content to merit its existence. -- BigCow ( talk) 21:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree almost completely with what Trust Not The Penguin/The Rogue Penguin has been saying all along. I think the split is appropriate, as the only way to merge while keeping it at a decent length seems like it would result in a loss of content, which I believe would have an adverse effect. Therefore, I'm against the [originally] proposed merge. The suggestion to merge the Shinigami article into the character article is a good one, though. -- HeavenlyEire ( talk) 08:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I think that the list of characters is not needed in the main article, as it's already big enough. Please, have pity to us, Pocket PC owners. :) But I agree that merging Shinigami is a good idea. -- deerstop ( talk) 20:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree. Nothing wrong with having a separate List of Death Note characters. Shinigami, however, should probably be merged into the character article. AnmaFinotera ( talk) 21:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I also agree with the list of characters being seprate —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poohman0 ( talk • contribs) 02:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with not merging the characters page to the main article. If having a brief summmary on the main article is bad, then just delete it and add a link to the characters page. BioYu-Gi! ( talk) 17:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I have seen the following (paraphrased) arguments for why the List of Death Note characters should be merged into the main article: 1.)"characters are an aspect normally best covered in the main article" - a silly assertion to make as the main characters are already covered, with a link to the List article for the rest of the characters; moreover, many of these are characters that appear in more than one incarnation of the series, and the list of them is fairly short and concise. A list of all the remotely important characters in the series, though, would be far too long to just cram into the main article without either making the main article longer than guidelines encourage (and those guidelines are there for a reason!), or losing valuable information, or even both.
2.) The series is "too short" to merit it. I fail to see how 108 chapters/12 volumes of manga + 37 episodes of anime + multiple films is really all that "short"; in fact, 12 volumes is pretty darn long for a manga. Moreover, having read the whole manga by now, they have many new characters introduced at a fairly fast pace... many of whom, despite not being "main" characters, actually play a pretty big role in the series or plot (Raye Penbar, for instance). Some of these are even gone into detail on in the How to Read guide, including notes on their roles and development, especially when it comes to their role in the plot. This is far too much sourceable, informative, even notable content to neglect entirely, that nonetheless does not warrant dozens upon dozens of separate articles, but would also make the page absurdly long if included in the main article (remember, page size and article length are ALWAYS a concern here); having ONE character list with all of the key minor characters and relevant details on their development and role in the plot is a good idea, since it keeps it reined in without overloading the main page too much.
Now, the Shinigami article is probably supurfluous; not that I've looked at it yet, but all of the shinigami in the series are characters, and are fairly few in number regarding the important ones, and can thus be at least probably be included on the character list.
I also won't argue that the character list can't possibly need cleaning up, since I haven't read through all of it in detail yet (though the bottom of the page actually looks pretty decent, covering the key roles of the characters and a tiny bit about their development, all in very brief and fairly neutral words, which ostensibly is good form on Wiki, establishing contextual notability and citation of non-Wikipedia info sources to boot). I'm just saying - considering that the series is long, and does have a large, LARGE number of recurring characters or minor characters that play a big role in the series, much of whom have citable information on them from the How To Read book, I find it somewhat astounding that there are a people that honestly think the information on key minor characters should just be dumped back into the main article or erased, as opposed to simply tidying up the List article a little. You guys have very little concept of just how enormous this article would become in length, I think, nor how surprisingly important a large number of these characters are to the plot development, to think that such a thing would be a better idea than just simply cleaning up the List of characters article. Hell, if you want, I'll do a little of that a little in the coming weeks myself; I have a copy of How To Read, so it shouldn't be all that hard. 70.118.80.144 ( talk) 05:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
So, Sesshomaru - Wouldn't it be a sort-of merge with some information going to the Death Note page and some information going to the Characters page? I'm not entirely sure if I want it be merged just yet, so let's see how the information would be distributed. I have used most of How to Read but I haven't used everything yet. According to Wikipedia:FICT#Summary_style_approach_for_spinout_articles it is acceptable to have "spinout" articles - "A spinout article on a single character or element that lacks sources of real-world coverage may be appropriate when the amount of content for that element would be distracting or otherwise too long within a parent topic or spinout article, as described by summary style." - I could see later tonight if I could add more information from HTR about the production of the series and about the Shinigami. WhisperToMe ( talk) 22:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
The creators also discussed the popularity of Death Note and how they reacted to the popularity and discussion so I will add this in the reception section. This week when I finish my assignments I will do this. :) WhisperToMe ( talk) 09:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
There is still more content that I have to add regarding rules of the Shinigami realm, aspects of the Shinigami, and punishments for Shinigami who break rules. WhisperToMe ( talk) 08:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I have seen that someone has taken it upon themself to create character pages for Light Yagami, L, and Misa Amane. I personally question the notability of the three characters, but there is also a matter that there are not respective pages for Mello, Near, and Mikami Teru. I suggest re-merging the three character pages into the List of Death Note Character page, or if you would like, create character pages for Mello, Near, and Mikami Teru. After all, they all count as "main characters", correct?
Please offer your opinions on this. Love, IceUnshattered ( talk) 18:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Notice how the list of Death Note characters is... a rather long, article, isn't it? WP:FICT has a provision:
I feel that the thesis of the above response is completely incorrect and misses the point of Wikipedia:FICT#Summary_style_approach_for_spinout_articles. It doesn't matter that "adding every last thing from every single source" doesn't make them notable. The criterion for creating of separate articles is relative length of the original "list of characters" article and not notability. In fact "spinout" articles, according to FICT, are to be treated as sections of the parent article. ("Spinout articles should be judged as if it were still a section of the parent article, and identified in the lead section as an article covering elements within a fictional work.") The FICT article unambiguously describes this. I am not "ignoring FICT" (Why does fict have an entire section dedicated to spinout articles?) and I find the final above sentence dangerously close to being a personal attack. Let's talk about the issue and not about my preferences in fiction.
I agree with WhisperToMe on that topic. List of Death Note Characters is quite long, and after examining WP:FICT and the Spinout Article section, I think that it's appropriate that Misa, Light, and L have their own articles. I just hope that other editors will respect this and will consider this if Misa, Light, and L ever go for the GA status.
So, do you think making spinoff articles for Mello, Near, and Mikami would be a good idea? IceUnshattered ( talk) 21:04, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
If you want an example of "Reception" that could be used for other characters see Misa_Amane#Reception WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Eh, I've been flipping through the reception categories for all Death Note characters with their own pages (L, Light, Misa), and there really isn't much. IceUnshattered ( talk) 21:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Is there a particular reason this article refers to Ohba-san as "he," when, in fact, she has been repeatedly referanced as being female? (Volume 13, or example) Din's Fire 997 ( talk) 07:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Is Tsugumi even a real name? If so, is it generally a male or female name? I have heard people claim that Tsugumi is used for females, but I've never ever heard of another person with that name. I believe I sort of tried to research this for myself once in the past, and all I remember finding was some book with a female protagonist named Tsugumi. Chibi Gohan ( talk) 06:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
I noticed with the recent additions to this front page that the article is becoming extreamly long. So would it be a good idea to split the stuff like the video games and the bottem information into a page called List of Death Note media? RedEyesMetal ( talk) 19:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
It seems that the plot section should summerize the full story, from begining the end, not just the first few episodes. FYI, Wikipedia:Spoiler.→ 041744 02:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I think a lot could be added to the "controversy" section of the death note page. There have bee nmany stories of people using their own Death Notes and getting i ntrouble for it, including one involving me and 18 other kids in my school. Ace-katana ( talk) 20:40, 3 May 2008 (UTC) ace-katana
Mabye the editors here at Death Note should create a wikia for the series, like Naruto [2] and several other manga series already did. It could be used to store in-universe information not used here (minor character can even get articles), making it an alternative source for Death Note fans, since Wikipedia has rules about how much in-universe info can be in a page. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares ( talk) 14:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I like that idea, especially concerning the recent discussion over character pages. It would be helpful to have a little summary here on Wikipedia, as not in-universe as possible, and then the primarily in-universe all-Death Note wikia. The only concerns I have are that a) Are there enough people stalking this talk page who have enough time and resources to do this? b) Do we have enough info on the actual DeathNote series itself to create a separate wikia? IceUnshattered ( talk) 21:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah, oh! -cough cough- There's one already. Here. IceUnshattered ( talk) 00:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
This should be succinct. It has way too much detail and unnecessary information. SilverOrion —Preceding comment was added at 11:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I think that we should the plot summary to the top , so it'll be right after the contents table and above Development and Creation
-- GuardianFayt ( talk) 12:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
The Death Note article states that "Death Notes all have rules written on the Note's first page." This is not true. Shinigami already know the rules, so to have them written down is unneeded. Ryuk wrote them down on one notebook so that the human who found it would know what it did, and since Light is the one who found Ryuk's notebook, only Light's Death Note had rules in it. He later copied the rules down for Mikami's use - but most Death Notes will not have rules written on them. Luscinae ( talk) 03:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone made a reference to the fact this: [link removed]
sounds like this: [link removed]
Its not the exact same of course but I was wondering if maybe there has been mention of the similarities of the openings in interviews with the creators of Death Note or mentioned by the press at some point. 68.226.119.187 ( talk) 08:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
It isn't the same, but they do sound a lot similar. Also this isn't the first time an anime has used a tune and modified it a bit, like Orochimaru's theme song from Naruto is similar to Toccata and Fugue in D Minor. This: [link removed] Sounds like this: [link removed] Moocowsrule ( talk) 20:23, 31 May 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule
I'm a recent fan of the series and noticed something peculiar at the back of my mind; the characters of the series (namely light and L) seem to be using a desktop Operating system reminiscent to that of a GNU/Linux desktop environment. This is viewable most notably when Light accesses his fathers computer and additionally (in an episode from 18-22, I can't remember which sorry) in the background of a conversation between L and other characters you can see an effect on the desktop similar (I say similar as a key word here) to an effect plug-in available in Compiz-fusion referred to as "water effect" (the effect in this plug-in is called "rain" and as far as I know these effects are only likely to be seen on a GNU/Linux platform). If no one else has seen this either not enough GNU/Linux users are watching Death Note closely enough or simply I'm mistaken and it's only a similarity. If someone can research into this and maybe get a reputable source indicating this usage I think it'd be something important to note about this animation series or at least it's characters in particular. Thanks for any responses in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nullhility ( talk • contribs) 13:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Quote: A third movie premiered in February 2008, titled L: Change the WorLd. It is a spin-off focusing on L. Focuses on the last 23 days of L's life-span to solve the case that threaten the world.
The last sentence should be combined with its predecessor, and read something more like: It is a spin-off focusing on L, centering on the last 23 days of his life, spent solving a case that threatens the world. (or something like that) -- the existing last sentence has several minor grammar errors and is a bit stilted. I'd fix it myself but it's semi-locked.
I was reading through the article and read the section on L the Prologue to DEATH NOTE Rasen no Wana, and saw the Romaji. It said Eru za Purorōgu tu Desu Nōto -Rasen no Wana, and although this is a minor error, the character tu as mentioned in the article, does not exist in Japanese. The closest character would have to be Tsu. Being a noobie on Wikipedia, I can't edit this, so I'm asking somebody else to. Moocowsrule ( talk) 20:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule
Tsu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsu_%28kana%29 Tu: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Tu_%28kana%29&redirect=no Moocowsrule ( talk) 20:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule
Maybe the character. In Japanese "tu" is not a sound. Moocowsrule ( talk) 05:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Shirokage
No, I know, it's that in traditional Japanese I don't believe there's the sound tu or ti, only tsu or chi. That's why loanwords such as two are tsu not tu. And I know that a smaller character indicates either a Sokuon or changes the sound and reading of the larger character. Like Shi (シ) becomes Sho (ショ) with the small character o. And putting a small Shi (ッ) is a Sokuon which doubles the letter after it, like in Matte (まッて). Moocowsrule ( talk) 07:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule
I'm probably not the first person to mention this, but because Mellow and Near were possible succesors to L, L = M or N. LMN. Once again, this part of the alphabet being linked to the character's names has probably already been realized, and possibly confirmed. I'm not sure what I'm putting it here for, but somebody might be able to use it to improve the article (not me, since I'm more of discussion and fix minor errors kind of person). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.218.12.31 ( talk) 21:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
And the Novel had a guy named B —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.12.141 ( talk) 11:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
There's all this talk about Death Note: How to read 13, but what is it actually? Is it a manga, an anime, an interview of some sort? 84.87.168.39 ( talk) 16:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
What happened to the section that had the DVD series release dates in North America? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dumaka ( talk • contribs) 01:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
The section is WAY too clunky and filled with irrelevant junk. I've streamlined it to feature the most relevant material and placed it below the plot summary/deathnote rules section, so that the later two sections don't get buried by the development section-- BakerBaker ( talk) 17:44, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, this is my first contribution to the Wiki, but I noticed that in the main Death Note article, little mention is made of Gelus in the Shinigami section. I think it is important to include Gelus in the list as Misa Amane originally gains her Death Note when Gelus dies in order to save Misa from a stalker. Blood Red Rain ( talk) 14:47, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Is also 6.66 minutes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hakageryu ( talk • contribs) 07:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC) (extremely late reply) Well, does that matter? IceUnshattered ( talk) 20:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
If someone could please answer this question it would be most appreciated: why is shinigami so often in italic text throughout this page? ♥ Tory~♥ Amulet♥ Heart♥ 20:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I added a reference to Carl Kimlinger's strikingly negative review of Death Note that just appeared in the current issue of Protoculture Addicts. Not all reviews of Death Note are positive, and such reviews need to be cited to maintain a balance among reviewers. I assume that no one is going to argue that PA is anything except a major publication covering manga and anime. Timothy Perper ( talk) 13:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Enthusiastic fans have been adding (for some time, I'm sure) a variety of "it means" and "Ohba said" style comments. All are interesting and most are unreferenced and unsourced. So they're original research. Along with a general clean-up and rewrite, this article needs sources, not more enthusiastic, interesting but undocumented fan gossip. Sorry, folks, that's how Wikipedia is -- no original research Timothy Perper ( talk) 20:48, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I removed this:
Some schools in Shenyang, People's Republic of China have banned the manga after some of their students started to tease friends and teachers by altering a notebook to resemble a Death Note and writing their names in them. The newspaper Shenyang Night Report called Death Note "poison, creating wicked hearts". One major Chinese newspaper felt that the ban is an overreaction and is inappropriate. [1]
because of the poor quality of the reference. Which schools? Which national newspaper? and we should be linking to the newspapers themselves as well as animenewsnetwork. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 07:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if this will help, but I wrote author/translator Jonathan Clements (who is fluent in both Japanese and Mandarin) to ask him about it. His response is chock full of information and sources, so I'll reproduce it here in full:
As it happens, I have written about the Death Note topic myself in the
past. Here is my column from issue 35 of the British magazine NEO, which was published in summer 2007, and which I must have written a couple of months before.
You should feel free to quote as much of this as you like, as long as you cite NEO. This article is one of the many which will be reprinted in the forthcoming Schoolgirl Milky Crisis, by the way.
35: Bum Notes
Jonathan Clements is making a list
To Beijing, where Tsugumi Oba and Takeshi Obata's Death Note manga has kicked off a local controversy. The manga, also an anime and live-action movie, features a magical notebook which will cause the death of anyone whose name is written in it. Originally a possession of a spirit of the underworld, it falls into the hands of a Japanese boy, who uses it for good – sort of Ring meets The Equalizer.
Except now Chinese junior schoolchildren have been found keeping their own Death Note notebooks, writing down the names of their classroom enemies, and putting curses on their teachers. This, say the powers that be, Must Be Stopped.
But there's more at work here. The Chinese press first began covering Death Note copycats when schools banned the manga in Shenyang. Shenyang is the capital of Manchuria, which was effectively part of Japan in the 1930s. This both predisposes the locals to follow Japanese media, and the powers that be to get huffy about it.
Death Note is also merely one of several horror comics implicated in the backlash, and many are pirate editions – could this be an underhand way of cleaning up illegal presses, rather than children's minds? The Chinese government doesn't believe in "superstition", so banning Death Note for its occult influence is the thin end of a controversial wedge that would end in recognising the existence of the supernatural!
Speaking as someone who was reprimanded at school for employing sorcery in a hockey game (long story), I can attest that this is just children being silly. Children aware of their own powerlessness start looking for it elsewhere – in the occult, in religion, in music, in sports. Girls go through a teen witch phase, little boys decide they're Jedi. In Singapore, you can buy Death Note jotters in the local equivalent of Woolworth's. The Death Note controversy is less to do with the occult, and more to do with unruly children, an admittedly macabre fad, and yet another excuse to blame Japan for modern China's social ills.
I went and checked Chinese Wikipedia. The Death Note page is very detailed, and has a section on the controversies. It cites three references, one of which is the Anglophone Reuters piece that you and your wiki-associates have already read. The earliest, however, is this one:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/school/2005-01/11/content_2446984.htm
The page is still up, and refers directly to the Shenyang incident I cited in my article. So I would say that the comments on the US Wiki page are pretty fair. I'd never heard of the Lanzhou incident before, but Lanzhou is a town I know relatively well, and it's precisely the sort of place where the news is likely to carry tales of unwelcome Japanese sorcery in the midst of Silly Season.
Incidentally, there appear to be two legal Chinese translations of Death Note, one published in Taiwan, and the other in Hong Kong. Neither is directly accessible to young Mainland Chinese readers, however, as the Taiwanese translation would be in long-form kanji, and the Hong Kong one is presumably in Cantonese.
Feel free to quote this email as well, if it helps.
I hope this provides some hard data to shore up this section. Matt Thorn ( talk) 06:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to add a new introduction with lots of references and a few "citation needed" tags. It's a lot better than before. I don't really like the way all the dates clutter up the text, so I may put the dates into the footnotes, but other people should add references if they have them. Timothy Perper ( talk) 22:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)