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I wanted to gain an impression of Dean Radin's life and work to date but, as it now is, this bio appears to be little more than a chance to put forward criticism of Radin and his career.
Criticism has its place but this page does seem to be unable to state anything positive at all and is therefore rendered one-sided, inadequate and, regrettably, unworthy of publication by Wikipedia.
BarryNL1 ( talk) 13:23, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "does not appear to be more neutral". For example, the review in Journal of Scientific Exploration is not suitable. It's published by Society for Scientific Exploration, which, according to its Wiki article, embraces views that are "are often at odds with those of mainstream science". -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 01:36, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello. Not neccessary to revert the whole thing to an earlier version. My main addition was references to Nobel laureate Brian Josephson's website at Cambridge University, where he supports Radin's book and also supports Radin's point of view in his debate in Nature. We might not share Josephson's view, but definitely a Nobel laureate shoould be listened to. So I have now reverted to the earlier version, but taken your objection to heart and removed the reference you did not approve of. D'Espagnat
This,"...whose legitimacy is questioned by Stephen Barrett's Quackwatch." should be sourced. I didn't see the judgement of INS on the Quack Watch page but certainly could have missed it. As well, I don't see that the opinion of one person is a legitimate source for Wikipedia content. If we were to comply with Wikipedia standards for reliable sources we would find multiple sources (with oversight) that consider the Institute of Noetic Sciences a questionable institution. I don't have any desire to fight any battles here; someone may want to find good RS sources for the statement. I won't remove it. Littleolive oil ( talk) 18:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
But at least it made me look it up, and it turns out the link does not belong in the Dean Radin article because it does not mention Dean Radin. It does not even mention Mitchell.
So, removing it was right, but the edit summaries were shit. Learn how to write better edit summaries, IP. Even better: learn how to think like a serious Wikipedia editor instead of like a PROFRINGE POV warrior. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 09:03, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
I agree with the above comment that says this article is not a biography, and think more biographical information would do more justice to this man. The article available in the online parapsychology encyclopedia of the Society for Psychical Research, available at:
https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/dean-radin
is quite strong on the life of Dean Radin. If one reads this article, one will see that he trained as a classical violinist. The article also tells us the university from which he got his Bachelor's degree in electrical engineering - the University of Massachusetts. Rollo August ( talk) 21:10, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
The Psi Encyclopedia is not "user-editable", it is written by members of the Society for Psychical Research. Rollo August ( talk) 07:07, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
It is like this page has been written by some angry "skeptics", to undermine scientific facts. Another hopeless attempt to bury the truth. Welcome to old world. Take a look at it. It won't last. People are creating organizations and helping the law enforcements by using psychic abilities even though so called skeptics (they are more like cynics) ignore. Wikipedia allows angry and radical editors occupy this website. The history will be a witness that Wikipedia has been vandalized by cynics who made an oath to bury the truth. I wish them good luck. They will be the ones who'll be forgetten. 159.146.121.8 ( talk) 12:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
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I wanted to gain an impression of Dean Radin's life and work to date but, as it now is, this bio appears to be little more than a chance to put forward criticism of Radin and his career.
Criticism has its place but this page does seem to be unable to state anything positive at all and is therefore rendered one-sided, inadequate and, regrettably, unworthy of publication by Wikipedia.
BarryNL1 ( talk) 13:23, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "does not appear to be more neutral". For example, the review in Journal of Scientific Exploration is not suitable. It's published by Society for Scientific Exploration, which, according to its Wiki article, embraces views that are "are often at odds with those of mainstream science". -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 01:36, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello. Not neccessary to revert the whole thing to an earlier version. My main addition was references to Nobel laureate Brian Josephson's website at Cambridge University, where he supports Radin's book and also supports Radin's point of view in his debate in Nature. We might not share Josephson's view, but definitely a Nobel laureate shoould be listened to. So I have now reverted to the earlier version, but taken your objection to heart and removed the reference you did not approve of. D'Espagnat
This,"...whose legitimacy is questioned by Stephen Barrett's Quackwatch." should be sourced. I didn't see the judgement of INS on the Quack Watch page but certainly could have missed it. As well, I don't see that the opinion of one person is a legitimate source for Wikipedia content. If we were to comply with Wikipedia standards for reliable sources we would find multiple sources (with oversight) that consider the Institute of Noetic Sciences a questionable institution. I don't have any desire to fight any battles here; someone may want to find good RS sources for the statement. I won't remove it. Littleolive oil ( talk) 18:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
But at least it made me look it up, and it turns out the link does not belong in the Dean Radin article because it does not mention Dean Radin. It does not even mention Mitchell.
So, removing it was right, but the edit summaries were shit. Learn how to write better edit summaries, IP. Even better: learn how to think like a serious Wikipedia editor instead of like a PROFRINGE POV warrior. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 09:03, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
I agree with the above comment that says this article is not a biography, and think more biographical information would do more justice to this man. The article available in the online parapsychology encyclopedia of the Society for Psychical Research, available at:
https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/dean-radin
is quite strong on the life of Dean Radin. If one reads this article, one will see that he trained as a classical violinist. The article also tells us the university from which he got his Bachelor's degree in electrical engineering - the University of Massachusetts. Rollo August ( talk) 21:10, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
The Psi Encyclopedia is not "user-editable", it is written by members of the Society for Psychical Research. Rollo August ( talk) 07:07, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
It is like this page has been written by some angry "skeptics", to undermine scientific facts. Another hopeless attempt to bury the truth. Welcome to old world. Take a look at it. It won't last. People are creating organizations and helping the law enforcements by using psychic abilities even though so called skeptics (they are more like cynics) ignore. Wikipedia allows angry and radical editors occupy this website. The history will be a witness that Wikipedia has been vandalized by cynics who made an oath to bury the truth. I wish them good luck. They will be the ones who'll be forgetten. 159.146.121.8 ( talk) 12:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)