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Why is it called a frigate? It's clearly a destroyer in all but it's name.
Bc, it is a frigate, new generation of frigate that is, most frigates nowadays are quite well armed and can often be confused with the destroyer, but destroyer in all honesty are far more larger and capable ships.
88.110.78.164 (
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As a matter of fact it's for political reasons, politicians are pretty stupid sometimes and some didn't want to have ships that made the Netherlands look like a mean monsterous nation. They think destroyers fit that image, so the navy decided to name them frigates. And the best part was: the politicians bought it.
I don't think that's really the reason. In Dutch a destroyer is called a 'jager' (=hunter), from Torpedoboatdestroyer(EN) -> Torpedobootjager (NL), which is not really that aggressive.
However, the last of those ships was used in the 1960's or something. So why pick a new name for a ship which has basically the same function as the existing ships but is only bigger because of tonnage creep? And compared to the US Arleigh Burkes and Russian Udaloys/Sovremennys, not to mention the upcoming 14k tons Zumwalts, the Zeven Provinces' are indeed a smaller type of ship. [MJ]
The simplest reason for calling it a frigate is that there is no reason to distinguish between frigates (fregatten) and destroyers (jagers). AFAIK they serve the same purposes in the Dutch navy. The current text of this paragraph in the article is a terrible explanation of someones wild guess. -- Bacchuss ( talk) 21:33, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
The article states that the Dutch word for battleship is "kruiser". This is incorrect - "kruiser" means cruiser (note the similarity), and the word for battleship is "slagschip" (in which "slag " literally means battle and "schip" quite clearly ship). User:aledevries
I've made the following templates to make changing the infoboxes a bit easier.- YanA 07:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Template:De Zeven Provinciën armament
Template:De Zeven Provinciën propulsion
Re "In the future is also the decision made to buy 32 BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles." Has this decision been made? Is a decision awaited? The grammar is incorrect (with all due respect to the original writer), but one cannot tell from existing text which way to correct it. Also, is there a reference that can be cited? papageno 16:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
"Ministry of Defence decided not to buy Tomahawks
The Netherlands decided not to buy thirty Tomahawk missiles. Minister of defence Eimert van Middelkoop (ChristenUnie) said this last monday in Brussels. The secretary prefers to spend the seventy million euro on recruitment and installation of new defence personnel." -- Bacchuss ( talk) 21:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Made the edit myself already. -- Bacchuss ( talk) 21:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
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Why is it called a frigate? It's clearly a destroyer in all but it's name.
Bc, it is a frigate, new generation of frigate that is, most frigates nowadays are quite well armed and can often be confused with the destroyer, but destroyer in all honesty are far more larger and capable ships.
88.110.78.164 (
talk) 18:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
As a matter of fact it's for political reasons, politicians are pretty stupid sometimes and some didn't want to have ships that made the Netherlands look like a mean monsterous nation. They think destroyers fit that image, so the navy decided to name them frigates. And the best part was: the politicians bought it.
I don't think that's really the reason. In Dutch a destroyer is called a 'jager' (=hunter), from Torpedoboatdestroyer(EN) -> Torpedobootjager (NL), which is not really that aggressive.
However, the last of those ships was used in the 1960's or something. So why pick a new name for a ship which has basically the same function as the existing ships but is only bigger because of tonnage creep? And compared to the US Arleigh Burkes and Russian Udaloys/Sovremennys, not to mention the upcoming 14k tons Zumwalts, the Zeven Provinces' are indeed a smaller type of ship. [MJ]
The simplest reason for calling it a frigate is that there is no reason to distinguish between frigates (fregatten) and destroyers (jagers). AFAIK they serve the same purposes in the Dutch navy. The current text of this paragraph in the article is a terrible explanation of someones wild guess. -- Bacchuss ( talk) 21:33, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
The article states that the Dutch word for battleship is "kruiser". This is incorrect - "kruiser" means cruiser (note the similarity), and the word for battleship is "slagschip" (in which "slag " literally means battle and "schip" quite clearly ship). User:aledevries
I've made the following templates to make changing the infoboxes a bit easier.- YanA 07:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Template:De Zeven Provinciën armament
Template:De Zeven Provinciën propulsion
Re "In the future is also the decision made to buy 32 BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles." Has this decision been made? Is a decision awaited? The grammar is incorrect (with all due respect to the original writer), but one cannot tell from existing text which way to correct it. Also, is there a reference that can be cited? papageno 16:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
"Ministry of Defence decided not to buy Tomahawks
The Netherlands decided not to buy thirty Tomahawk missiles. Minister of defence Eimert van Middelkoop (ChristenUnie) said this last monday in Brussels. The secretary prefers to spend the seventy million euro on recruitment and installation of new defence personnel." -- Bacchuss ( talk) 21:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Made the edit myself already. -- Bacchuss ( talk) 21:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
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There is frequent use of "SM-2" in the article. "SM-2" is jargon. The missile is designated RIM-66M. Two way time ( talk) 04:21, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
I disagree. RIM-66M is the US Navy designation for the SM-2. SM-2 is commonly used, both internationally and in fact in the US as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.251.245 ( talk) 02:16, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
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