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This article needs to be a redirect page, directing to a disambig, which can differentiate between the 2 men, Swami Dayananda and Dayananda Saraswati (they are both swami's named Dayananda Saraswati). ( Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 21:53, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
In reference to the passage: i think this leads one to draw the conclusion that dayanand was the 'father' of the Hindutva movement and that the Arya Samaj is a Hindutva organization. (!) Regardless that the claim is sourced, it's about as accurate (and as loaded) as saying "Wagner provided the emotional and aesthetical climate necessary for the rise of National Socialism in early 20th century Germany". Ruthven's book(let) should be taken for what it is, A Very Short Introduction. Connecting the 'elevation of the Vedas' to 'nationalism' is a leap, and his reading of the 'myth of the Aryavartic kings' is simply wrong, based more on what he (and Hindutva leaders) wants to see in it rather than what's actually there. Besides, he isn't exactly famous for taking a NPoV [' Islamofascism', etc.]. (And I noticed that one particular user made sure this reference got spread around in every possible place relating to Dayananda...) It may be the case that members of the Arya Samaj are also members of Hindutva groups, but the Arya Samaj as an organization is most certainly not. The passage as it reads now borders on an association fallacy. Therefore, I think the statement should be adjusted to something like:
...which I think is fair to both those for and against Dayananda. Varoon Arya 02:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 19:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
"SWAMI DAYANANDA WAS FIRST TO GAVE THE CONCEPT OF "SWARAJ""
I took this out of the article, as it borders on vandalism. However, the point is worthy of discussion and possible inclusion if true. Aryaman (☼) 13:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Last para of ealry life stats:
"why would Dayananda expect God to appear? he was questioning him. he had no faith.... A Brahmin who looses faith in God is no longer a Brahmmin."
Is this intended or act of vandalism? संजय ( talk) 08:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Prove it that he had not faith that so called idol is not god go and read vedas and then come for discussion on it -- Sandeep ( talk) 06:18, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
references need major clean up. his philosophy and legacy need proper coverage ( Sidsahu ( talk) 15:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC))
I had added new references and cited contents if some user or contributer have any objection on this work of mine i will request him/her that please discusses hear before making any changes as all the content is cited and tried to managed properly. --Sandeep 09:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandeepsp4u ( talk • contribs)
The birthname is given at the top as Mul Shankar, but as Dayananda Mulshankar in Early life.
In Early life, 'his family went to a temple for overnight worship', and in the next sentence, 'While his family slept'. Spicemix ( talk) 05:43, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
what is inconsistency in this article we will both try to remove. Mul Shankar is his childhood name and Dayanand was his later one. regarding the going to temple for overnight worship and sleeping..... it is when they went to the temple for overnight worship and after its completion it was a tradation to wait there untill morning so during that waiting the family slept... what is wrong in this ???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandeepsp4u ( talk • contribs) 10:27, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
At the bottom of the article is says, Full Name:Mulshankar Karasandas Tiwari. Is this significant or just stray text to be deleted? Will Beback talk 19:22, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
no this was his childhood full name.. so it is important -- Sandeep ( talk) 10:29, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Is the "swami" used in WP:RS, Google Scholar? In ictu oculi ( talk) 23:55, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
swami is shows his level of achivement its something like calling some sir, i don't find anything wrong in that. -- Sandeep ( talk) 10:24, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to change current title and exceptions in WP:Honorifics clearly allow the current title. Mike Cline ( talk) 17:14, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Swami Dayananda Saraswati →
Dayananda Saraswati – Relisted. --
regentspark (
comment) 16:10, 26 October 2011 (UTC) per (1)
WP:Honorifics, (2) [
Google Scholar]/
WP:PSTS.
In ictu oculi (
talk)
00:05, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Some unsourced contents are added to this section which looks like allegation and must be sourced. I request the editor to cite the claim as i m unable to find any reference or i will proceed and remove those contents. -- Sandeep ( talk) 06:39, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't this page be moved to Dayananda Saraswati (Arya Samaj)? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 07:07, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
The section on his views on other religions is original research. I think that he would never accept other religions as acceptable except for those who accept vedas as authorotive and must have been dismissive of muhamod, jahweh. jeho- hooo-vah,isu masi etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.55.16.156 ( talk) 08:03, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Many of current Buddhist teachings are not from Buddha himself, he gained most of his knowledge from the Vedas. Some are chinese buddhist interpreation of teachings and on many topics Buddha did not have "original source" teachings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.97.221.147 ( talk) 08:55, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Buddha may have had the same religious belief system as the Arya Samaj and eventually later Buddhist texts may have diluted his purpose to keep the Vedas as the main religious reference as more original source books were added especially with a Chinese interpretation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.97.221.147 ( talk) 15:35, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
No! The Buddha never accepted the ultimate validity of the Vedas and also he has said that the vedas were authored by rishis which the brahmins of his time seem to accept as recorded in the Tripitaka scripture. He placed importance on self practice based on eightfold path and has given several meditative practises. The Theravada tradition (The tripitaka scripture) which is still a living tradition in India and elsewhere, which is ancient and authentic is preserved as the words of the Buddha. Later, several works were written. But, the theravada tradition is undisputably accepted in the Buddhist World including Mahayanic or Hinayanic divisions also. And the very famous 'Eightfold path or Arya-Ashtanga Marga (Samyak Drishti, Samyak Sankalpa etc...) and four Arya-Satya' were the main teaching of the Buddha which he said he discovered out of his own meditative practices which can be employed by any human being to get rid of the suffering. Of curse, Patanjali gave the Astanga marga (different than that of the Buddha) later than the Buddha. The words of the Buddha, the Tripitaka has been translated into various languages including Sanskrit and Chinese before 4th Century BC itself and has been translated into English and various other languages too which has deemed to be a very important project. So, Buddhism is not derived from the Vedas and also the scripture exists for Buddhism. The later divisions among the Buddhist groups which is condemned by Dayanand, has no references to Theravada Buddhism CSCM01 ( talk) 10:10, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
The "Early Life" section mentions his birthday as being either the 12 or 24 of february, and the sidebar reads the 21. I have filled it out as being either for now, could someone with more expertise come and confirm one or the other please? Xevus11 ( talk) 17:24, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
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Swami Dayanand Saraswati was a indian philosopher 102.218.245.9 ( talk) 16:02, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
2402:e280:3e1d:70d:b841:77ca:9036:8d8a and 2409:4065:d92:5df7:6ddb:b0:14c7:6fc9: Could you provide more context on why you view the existing citations are 'unverified' and why they should be removed? I'm concerned that this will have the impact of whitewashing, so I'm eager to understand your perspective(s). I've reverted your changes (back to the consensus version) until we reach new WP:CONSENSUS Mad Jim Bey talk 04:23, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
@Rasnaboy, Why have you included derogatory remarks on other religions? First of all: Dayanand has never called the Sikh guru as 'rogue'. And coming to buddhists, There is no mention of "attainable by dogs and donkeys". In satyarth prakash, chapter 9, Dayanand has used it for common atheists who believe in death as final end. There is not a mention of Buddhism. Please don't misrepresent Dayanand. 223.231.181.135 ( talk) 10:08, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Aaaaaaah!!!!!! THUNDRBolt ( talk) 16:14, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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This article needs to be a redirect page, directing to a disambig, which can differentiate between the 2 men, Swami Dayananda and Dayananda Saraswati (they are both swami's named Dayananda Saraswati). ( Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 21:53, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
In reference to the passage: i think this leads one to draw the conclusion that dayanand was the 'father' of the Hindutva movement and that the Arya Samaj is a Hindutva organization. (!) Regardless that the claim is sourced, it's about as accurate (and as loaded) as saying "Wagner provided the emotional and aesthetical climate necessary for the rise of National Socialism in early 20th century Germany". Ruthven's book(let) should be taken for what it is, A Very Short Introduction. Connecting the 'elevation of the Vedas' to 'nationalism' is a leap, and his reading of the 'myth of the Aryavartic kings' is simply wrong, based more on what he (and Hindutva leaders) wants to see in it rather than what's actually there. Besides, he isn't exactly famous for taking a NPoV [' Islamofascism', etc.]. (And I noticed that one particular user made sure this reference got spread around in every possible place relating to Dayananda...) It may be the case that members of the Arya Samaj are also members of Hindutva groups, but the Arya Samaj as an organization is most certainly not. The passage as it reads now borders on an association fallacy. Therefore, I think the statement should be adjusted to something like:
...which I think is fair to both those for and against Dayananda. Varoon Arya 02:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 19:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
"SWAMI DAYANANDA WAS FIRST TO GAVE THE CONCEPT OF "SWARAJ""
I took this out of the article, as it borders on vandalism. However, the point is worthy of discussion and possible inclusion if true. Aryaman (☼) 13:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Last para of ealry life stats:
"why would Dayananda expect God to appear? he was questioning him. he had no faith.... A Brahmin who looses faith in God is no longer a Brahmmin."
Is this intended or act of vandalism? संजय ( talk) 08:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Prove it that he had not faith that so called idol is not god go and read vedas and then come for discussion on it -- Sandeep ( talk) 06:18, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
references need major clean up. his philosophy and legacy need proper coverage ( Sidsahu ( talk) 15:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC))
I had added new references and cited contents if some user or contributer have any objection on this work of mine i will request him/her that please discusses hear before making any changes as all the content is cited and tried to managed properly. --Sandeep 09:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandeepsp4u ( talk • contribs)
The birthname is given at the top as Mul Shankar, but as Dayananda Mulshankar in Early life.
In Early life, 'his family went to a temple for overnight worship', and in the next sentence, 'While his family slept'. Spicemix ( talk) 05:43, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
what is inconsistency in this article we will both try to remove. Mul Shankar is his childhood name and Dayanand was his later one. regarding the going to temple for overnight worship and sleeping..... it is when they went to the temple for overnight worship and after its completion it was a tradation to wait there untill morning so during that waiting the family slept... what is wrong in this ???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandeepsp4u ( talk • contribs) 10:27, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
At the bottom of the article is says, Full Name:Mulshankar Karasandas Tiwari. Is this significant or just stray text to be deleted? Will Beback talk 19:22, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
no this was his childhood full name.. so it is important -- Sandeep ( talk) 10:29, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Is the "swami" used in WP:RS, Google Scholar? In ictu oculi ( talk) 23:55, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
swami is shows his level of achivement its something like calling some sir, i don't find anything wrong in that. -- Sandeep ( talk) 10:24, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to change current title and exceptions in WP:Honorifics clearly allow the current title. Mike Cline ( talk) 17:14, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Swami Dayananda Saraswati →
Dayananda Saraswati – Relisted. --
regentspark (
comment) 16:10, 26 October 2011 (UTC) per (1)
WP:Honorifics, (2) [
Google Scholar]/
WP:PSTS.
In ictu oculi (
talk)
00:05, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Some unsourced contents are added to this section which looks like allegation and must be sourced. I request the editor to cite the claim as i m unable to find any reference or i will proceed and remove those contents. -- Sandeep ( talk) 06:39, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't this page be moved to Dayananda Saraswati (Arya Samaj)? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 07:07, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
The section on his views on other religions is original research. I think that he would never accept other religions as acceptable except for those who accept vedas as authorotive and must have been dismissive of muhamod, jahweh. jeho- hooo-vah,isu masi etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.55.16.156 ( talk) 08:03, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Many of current Buddhist teachings are not from Buddha himself, he gained most of his knowledge from the Vedas. Some are chinese buddhist interpreation of teachings and on many topics Buddha did not have "original source" teachings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.97.221.147 ( talk) 08:55, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Buddha may have had the same religious belief system as the Arya Samaj and eventually later Buddhist texts may have diluted his purpose to keep the Vedas as the main religious reference as more original source books were added especially with a Chinese interpretation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.97.221.147 ( talk) 15:35, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
No! The Buddha never accepted the ultimate validity of the Vedas and also he has said that the vedas were authored by rishis which the brahmins of his time seem to accept as recorded in the Tripitaka scripture. He placed importance on self practice based on eightfold path and has given several meditative practises. The Theravada tradition (The tripitaka scripture) which is still a living tradition in India and elsewhere, which is ancient and authentic is preserved as the words of the Buddha. Later, several works were written. But, the theravada tradition is undisputably accepted in the Buddhist World including Mahayanic or Hinayanic divisions also. And the very famous 'Eightfold path or Arya-Ashtanga Marga (Samyak Drishti, Samyak Sankalpa etc...) and four Arya-Satya' were the main teaching of the Buddha which he said he discovered out of his own meditative practices which can be employed by any human being to get rid of the suffering. Of curse, Patanjali gave the Astanga marga (different than that of the Buddha) later than the Buddha. The words of the Buddha, the Tripitaka has been translated into various languages including Sanskrit and Chinese before 4th Century BC itself and has been translated into English and various other languages too which has deemed to be a very important project. So, Buddhism is not derived from the Vedas and also the scripture exists for Buddhism. The later divisions among the Buddhist groups which is condemned by Dayanand, has no references to Theravada Buddhism CSCM01 ( talk) 10:10, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
The "Early Life" section mentions his birthday as being either the 12 or 24 of february, and the sidebar reads the 21. I have filled it out as being either for now, could someone with more expertise come and confirm one or the other please? Xevus11 ( talk) 17:24, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
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Unfortunately, the article is so romanced that it's difficult to distinguish between what may have been actual or legendary about this person's life. The assassination attempts and death sections, for instance. — Paleo Neonate – 01:25, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Contribution of Swami dayanand saraswati. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 4#Contribution of Swami dayanand saraswati until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! ⚓ 08:20, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Swami Dayanand Saraswati was a indian philosopher 102.218.245.9 ( talk) 16:02, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
2402:e280:3e1d:70d:b841:77ca:9036:8d8a and 2409:4065:d92:5df7:6ddb:b0:14c7:6fc9: Could you provide more context on why you view the existing citations are 'unverified' and why they should be removed? I'm concerned that this will have the impact of whitewashing, so I'm eager to understand your perspective(s). I've reverted your changes (back to the consensus version) until we reach new WP:CONSENSUS Mad Jim Bey talk 04:23, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
@Rasnaboy, Why have you included derogatory remarks on other religions? First of all: Dayanand has never called the Sikh guru as 'rogue'. And coming to buddhists, There is no mention of "attainable by dogs and donkeys". In satyarth prakash, chapter 9, Dayanand has used it for common atheists who believe in death as final end. There is not a mention of Buddhism. Please don't misrepresent Dayanand. 223.231.181.135 ( talk) 10:08, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Aaaaaaah!!!!!! THUNDRBolt ( talk) 16:14, 28 August 2023 (UTC)