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I am adding these additional citations to prevent future vandalism and provide a one-stop avenue for anyone wishing to know more about the importance of the matter.
Resources in Hindi:
I hope this will be enough for every one. JusticeNeeded123 ( talk) 09:32, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
What was mentioned on this page was not correct. I am part of this Institution and would like to write the authentic information. Please let me know how it is possible.
Thanks
Ratan Saini
Isn't "dot head" in the first paragraph derogatory? (I'm in the USA, and not positive, but it sure sounds it) - does it have a place in a factual article like this?
It appears that the 2 articles relate to the same institute.
Keith D 15:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I am deleting the Neha Sharma murder case section for the following reasons:
Detrainman ( talk) 04:49, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
User detrainman appears to have vested interest in hiding this matter. Secondly, this page is about DEI, the campus where this murder took place. AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 09:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
AgraNewsObserver,
Detrainman ( talk) 12:58, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
On a personal note, I hope that justice to the young woman is done by convicting the person(s) responsible, but editing the wiki page of the institution is not the way to show your anger.
Detrainman,
AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 18:34, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
AgraNewsObserver:
I am not going to edit the page right now, because we are in disagreement.
To clarify:
Please read this:
Finally:
The article is in the starting phase. When I have free time, I will write a complete page containing every little detail of the murder published in the media. I plan on adding a link to that page in the opening lines of this article.
Something like, The institute gained visibility in the national media on the murder of Neha Sharma due to the alleged involvement of the Dayalbagh administration in it.
AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 13:41, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Once the article is created, you have no right to control its content, or to delete it outside the normal channels. Content is irrevocably added with every edit. If there is anything publicly available on a topic that you would not want to have included in an article, note that it will probably find its way there eventually. |
AgraNewsObserver, I can help you with the separate article, but the mention will not go in the opening paragraph of the article. For an example, please review the wiki of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech . Detrainman ( talk) 00:01, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Given the seriousness of this issue and the people involved, it would be only reasonable to mention this in the first paragraph. AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 03:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Nope. I disagree. And so do editors of other university articles Detrainman ( talk) 04:06, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Once again, I disagree with you. Viginia Tech massacre does not involve the institution's administration while Neha Sharma's does. If I am a father of a daughter seeking information about DEI, I need to know that my daughter is not safe here. I need to know that if she gets murdered, the institute's administration will not try to bring the perpetrators to justice but instead try to hide the matter and even dispose off her body for it. I need to know that relatives of the institute's management have a free right to harass her and no one will listen to her if she complaints. That is the reason I still maintain that the section should stays along with making a new page. AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 05:17, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
AgraNewsObserver, Editor EBY3221 has already given their opinion. Please start working on separating the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.137.74 ( talk) 21:26, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
IP Address 74.83.137.74,
I request [[ EBY3221]] to read the following reasons:-
Do you still think that the section should not be included in the campus article? AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 07:04, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
AgraNewsObserver
If you can back your claims with references, not allegations, you can put them in the History section. Meanwhile, start working on separating the article.
Detrainman (
talk)
01:53, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Detrainman,
Regarding your clarifications:
Please read this:
Finally:
AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 13:27, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Detrainman ( talk) 00:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Detrainman ( talk) 04:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
If you are unable to achieve consensus, can I suggest you seek an experienced editor to review the discussion and who might come up with their thoughts on how to proceed? I have used this approach previously to good effect. Remember to keep discussion on the topic of content and try to remain civil at all times. Good luck with your editing Flat Out let's discuss it 04:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Detrainman,
Once again you answered questions suitable to you. How would you justify "does not deserve to be mentioned"? This discussion cannot be ended until you give convincing answers.
Flat Out, I still maintain that the section should stay along with making a new page. If I am a father of a daughter seeking information about DEI, I need to know that my daughter is not safe here. I need to know that if she gets murdered, the institute's administration will not try to bring the perpetrators to justice but instead try to hide the matter and even dispose off her body for it. I need to know that relatives of the institute's management have a free right to harass her and no one will listen to her if she complaints. I need to know that no one will testify against the criminals if they are the relatives of a person who is next in line to be the guru. AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 05:23, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Detrainman ( talk) 22:18, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Detrainman,
AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 05:48, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
AgraNewsObserver What question do you have that should be answered by me? 74.83.137.74 ( talk) 13:21, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't know if the above comment was indeed made by Detrainman. Verify your identity. AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 06:19, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Skeptic-seeker ( talk) 22:34, 12 March 2015 (UTC)the only thing ppl are yet to claim is Neha Sharma committed suicide - the case is covered up, the victim's father continues to seek justice which is no signs of being rendered - and concerned people are busy blaming the victim and liberally using karma and related concepts to obfuscate the murder - apparently there was another murder as well within a few miles of the campus and the two incidents are related.
See my comments at Talk:Dayalbagh. This section contained several assertions regarding allegations of a cover up etc either sourced to uploaded scans of documents (which are never acceptable as sources) or entirely unsupported by the sources cited. This constitutes a gross violation of WP:BLP policy. I shall be raising these articles at WP:BLPN, and asking for outside support to ensure that the matter is covered appropriately, and in compliance with policy. I suggest that those involved in the discussion so far familiarise themselves with WP:BLP and WP:RS policy in the mean time. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 18:47, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Note: I have raised this matter at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Articles on Dayalbagh and the Dayalbagh Educational Institute, and asked for outside assistance. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 19:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
The section does not say that the accused is the murderer and is in line with NPOV. A lot of what is in the section can be verified at http://www.indianexpress.com/news/laboratory-of-murder-clues/1107266/0 . To verify the rest of the content, I request users having knowledge of Hindi to read the eArchives of Amar Ujala Agra edition dated 16th March to 30th April at http://earchive.amarujala.com.
I also request Andy to suggest better ways to source content published in print newspapers. AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 15:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Dayalbagh Educational Institute/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
For more details about Dayalbagh Educational Institute visit http://www.dei.ac.in. T |
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This is a request to remove the Controversy section in this Wikipedia Page. It is seen as defamation of not the university, but the individuals involved. The above talk (more like contention) has various allegations that are entirely false, such as the identity of the relative of the criminal. It is agreed that the rape and murder of Neha Sharma was a hideous act, but publishing it on the page of the educational society alongside baseless "news" by an ill informed user after legal justice has been delivered seems strange. Please See- I am not asking for the incident to be covered up or ignored, and this is not a personal attack on any individual or institution, just a humble request. Thank you! ( talk) 13:44, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
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Please remove the phrase and was also the first director of DEI.
from the first paragraph The correct version should read as following
Founded as a primary school in 1917, and becoming a technical college in 1927 for training in automobile, electrical and mechanical engineering, it later developed into a Deemed University. Prof. M. B. Lal Sahab, a former Vice Chancellor of the Lucknow University, founded this institution. 122.161.75.221 ( talk) 16:47, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Dayalbagh Educational Institute article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
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|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
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I am adding these additional citations to prevent future vandalism and provide a one-stop avenue for anyone wishing to know more about the importance of the matter.
Resources in Hindi:
I hope this will be enough for every one. JusticeNeeded123 ( talk) 09:32, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
What was mentioned on this page was not correct. I am part of this Institution and would like to write the authentic information. Please let me know how it is possible.
Thanks
Ratan Saini
Isn't "dot head" in the first paragraph derogatory? (I'm in the USA, and not positive, but it sure sounds it) - does it have a place in a factual article like this?
It appears that the 2 articles relate to the same institute.
Keith D 15:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I am deleting the Neha Sharma murder case section for the following reasons:
Detrainman ( talk) 04:49, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
User detrainman appears to have vested interest in hiding this matter. Secondly, this page is about DEI, the campus where this murder took place. AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 09:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
AgraNewsObserver,
Detrainman ( talk) 12:58, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
On a personal note, I hope that justice to the young woman is done by convicting the person(s) responsible, but editing the wiki page of the institution is not the way to show your anger.
Detrainman,
AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 18:34, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
AgraNewsObserver:
I am not going to edit the page right now, because we are in disagreement.
To clarify:
Please read this:
Finally:
The article is in the starting phase. When I have free time, I will write a complete page containing every little detail of the murder published in the media. I plan on adding a link to that page in the opening lines of this article.
Something like, The institute gained visibility in the national media on the murder of Neha Sharma due to the alleged involvement of the Dayalbagh administration in it.
AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 13:41, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Once the article is created, you have no right to control its content, or to delete it outside the normal channels. Content is irrevocably added with every edit. If there is anything publicly available on a topic that you would not want to have included in an article, note that it will probably find its way there eventually. |
AgraNewsObserver, I can help you with the separate article, but the mention will not go in the opening paragraph of the article. For an example, please review the wiki of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech . Detrainman ( talk) 00:01, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Given the seriousness of this issue and the people involved, it would be only reasonable to mention this in the first paragraph. AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 03:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Nope. I disagree. And so do editors of other university articles Detrainman ( talk) 04:06, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Once again, I disagree with you. Viginia Tech massacre does not involve the institution's administration while Neha Sharma's does. If I am a father of a daughter seeking information about DEI, I need to know that my daughter is not safe here. I need to know that if she gets murdered, the institute's administration will not try to bring the perpetrators to justice but instead try to hide the matter and even dispose off her body for it. I need to know that relatives of the institute's management have a free right to harass her and no one will listen to her if she complaints. That is the reason I still maintain that the section should stays along with making a new page. AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 05:17, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
AgraNewsObserver, Editor EBY3221 has already given their opinion. Please start working on separating the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.83.137.74 ( talk) 21:26, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
IP Address 74.83.137.74,
I request [[ EBY3221]] to read the following reasons:-
Do you still think that the section should not be included in the campus article? AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 07:04, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
AgraNewsObserver
If you can back your claims with references, not allegations, you can put them in the History section. Meanwhile, start working on separating the article.
Detrainman (
talk)
01:53, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Detrainman,
Regarding your clarifications:
Please read this:
Finally:
AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 13:27, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Detrainman ( talk) 00:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Detrainman ( talk) 04:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
If you are unable to achieve consensus, can I suggest you seek an experienced editor to review the discussion and who might come up with their thoughts on how to proceed? I have used this approach previously to good effect. Remember to keep discussion on the topic of content and try to remain civil at all times. Good luck with your editing Flat Out let's discuss it 04:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Detrainman,
Once again you answered questions suitable to you. How would you justify "does not deserve to be mentioned"? This discussion cannot be ended until you give convincing answers.
Flat Out, I still maintain that the section should stay along with making a new page. If I am a father of a daughter seeking information about DEI, I need to know that my daughter is not safe here. I need to know that if she gets murdered, the institute's administration will not try to bring the perpetrators to justice but instead try to hide the matter and even dispose off her body for it. I need to know that relatives of the institute's management have a free right to harass her and no one will listen to her if she complaints. I need to know that no one will testify against the criminals if they are the relatives of a person who is next in line to be the guru. AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 05:23, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Detrainman ( talk) 22:18, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Detrainman,
AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 05:48, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
AgraNewsObserver What question do you have that should be answered by me? 74.83.137.74 ( talk) 13:21, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't know if the above comment was indeed made by Detrainman. Verify your identity. AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 06:19, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Skeptic-seeker ( talk) 22:34, 12 March 2015 (UTC)the only thing ppl are yet to claim is Neha Sharma committed suicide - the case is covered up, the victim's father continues to seek justice which is no signs of being rendered - and concerned people are busy blaming the victim and liberally using karma and related concepts to obfuscate the murder - apparently there was another murder as well within a few miles of the campus and the two incidents are related.
See my comments at Talk:Dayalbagh. This section contained several assertions regarding allegations of a cover up etc either sourced to uploaded scans of documents (which are never acceptable as sources) or entirely unsupported by the sources cited. This constitutes a gross violation of WP:BLP policy. I shall be raising these articles at WP:BLPN, and asking for outside support to ensure that the matter is covered appropriately, and in compliance with policy. I suggest that those involved in the discussion so far familiarise themselves with WP:BLP and WP:RS policy in the mean time. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 18:47, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Note: I have raised this matter at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Articles on Dayalbagh and the Dayalbagh Educational Institute, and asked for outside assistance. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 19:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
The section does not say that the accused is the murderer and is in line with NPOV. A lot of what is in the section can be verified at http://www.indianexpress.com/news/laboratory-of-murder-clues/1107266/0 . To verify the rest of the content, I request users having knowledge of Hindi to read the eArchives of Amar Ujala Agra edition dated 16th March to 30th April at http://earchive.amarujala.com.
I also request Andy to suggest better ways to source content published in print newspapers. AgraNewsObserver ( talk) 15:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Dayalbagh Educational Institute/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
For more details about Dayalbagh Educational Institute visit http://www.dei.ac.in. T |
Last edited at 09:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 13:02, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
This is a request to remove the Controversy section in this Wikipedia Page. It is seen as defamation of not the university, but the individuals involved. The above talk (more like contention) has various allegations that are entirely false, such as the identity of the relative of the criminal. It is agreed that the rape and murder of Neha Sharma was a hideous act, but publishing it on the page of the educational society alongside baseless "news" by an ill informed user after legal justice has been delivered seems strange. Please See- I am not asking for the incident to be covered up or ignored, and this is not a personal attack on any individual or institution, just a humble request. Thank you! ( talk) 13:44, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please remove the phrase and was also the first director of DEI.
from the first paragraph The correct version should read as following
Founded as a primary school in 1917, and becoming a technical college in 1927 for training in automobile, electrical and mechanical engineering, it later developed into a Deemed University. Prof. M. B. Lal Sahab, a former Vice Chancellor of the Lucknow University, founded this institution. 122.161.75.221 ( talk) 16:47, 23 January 2022 (UTC)