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This sentence is well sourced. It says not that Macedonian nation, state and language are result only of Yugoslav communist policies, but basically of these policies that meets NPOV-criteria and fits with provided sources and citations, as well as with different articles agenda here as Macedonian nationalism, Ethnic Macedonians, Macedonian language, SR Macedonia, etc. Jingiby ( talk) 14:53, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
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This page is currently a stub, at least in the English version of it. Need to take the Macedonian version of it and translate it to English, and replace the current stub. I'm happy to do so, as I'm professionally fluent in both languages. Additionally, the page is also under attack from Bulgarian nationalist contributors, who want to push their nation's erroneous take on history. Bulgaria was an occupator not a liberator, committing heinous crimes upon the Macedonian people, such as sending the vast majority of the Jewish population to concentration camps to be killed, and countless other offenses. And yet the "Controversy" section of the page dominates by sheer size, belittling the contributions of those who died for their country. If the authors of this page want to spew their revisionist takes on history, they can do so on their own page, rather than leeching traffic off of this page for their political gain.
It's also clear that this section has been removed and re-added numerous times in the history of this page, so they are constantly attacking. This is straight up bullying, and should not be allowed on Wikipedia. Also, citing Bulgarian nationalist sources to prove a nationalist Bulgarian propaganda is a self-fulfilling prophecy, and a circular argument. The paragraph contains information that is clearly political in nature and has no direct relationship with the event being described. Burekcovek ( talk) 21:44, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
I think additional tweaks could be done for NPOV in the lead section and infobox. Since we aren't treating the claim that an "uprising" began on 11 October as indisputable, per the reliable sources, I think this should be made clear in the first sentence of the lead. It could be framed like this - "Day of the Macedonian Uprising is a
public holiday in
North Macedonia, commemorating what is considered there the symbolic beginning of the communist resistance against fascism during
World War II in Yugoslav Macedonia on October 11." "Symbolic" can be dropped since it's excess and unnecessary. This could be made clear in the infobox too. Thus there's no need to italicize single words for something that is clearly disputed, especially by reliable sources.
As for the latest change in the lead section, there doesn't appear to be a source about the Yugoslav historiography. This should be directly supported by a source. StephenMacky1 ( talk) 11:06, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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This sentence is well sourced. It says not that Macedonian nation, state and language are result only of Yugoslav communist policies, but basically of these policies that meets NPOV-criteria and fits with provided sources and citations, as well as with different articles agenda here as Macedonian nationalism, Ethnic Macedonians, Macedonian language, SR Macedonia, etc. Jingiby ( talk) 14:53, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
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edit request to
Day of Macedonian Uprising in 1941 has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
This page is currently a stub, at least in the English version of it. Need to take the Macedonian version of it and translate it to English, and replace the current stub. I'm happy to do so, as I'm professionally fluent in both languages. Additionally, the page is also under attack from Bulgarian nationalist contributors, who want to push their nation's erroneous take on history. Bulgaria was an occupator not a liberator, committing heinous crimes upon the Macedonian people, such as sending the vast majority of the Jewish population to concentration camps to be killed, and countless other offenses. And yet the "Controversy" section of the page dominates by sheer size, belittling the contributions of those who died for their country. If the authors of this page want to spew their revisionist takes on history, they can do so on their own page, rather than leeching traffic off of this page for their political gain.
It's also clear that this section has been removed and re-added numerous times in the history of this page, so they are constantly attacking. This is straight up bullying, and should not be allowed on Wikipedia. Also, citing Bulgarian nationalist sources to prove a nationalist Bulgarian propaganda is a self-fulfilling prophecy, and a circular argument. The paragraph contains information that is clearly political in nature and has no direct relationship with the event being described. Burekcovek ( talk) 21:44, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
I think additional tweaks could be done for NPOV in the lead section and infobox. Since we aren't treating the claim that an "uprising" began on 11 October as indisputable, per the reliable sources, I think this should be made clear in the first sentence of the lead. It could be framed like this - "Day of the Macedonian Uprising is a
public holiday in
North Macedonia, commemorating what is considered there the symbolic beginning of the communist resistance against fascism during
World War II in Yugoslav Macedonia on October 11." "Symbolic" can be dropped since it's excess and unnecessary. This could be made clear in the infobox too. Thus there's no need to italicize single words for something that is clearly disputed, especially by reliable sources.
As for the latest change in the lead section, there doesn't appear to be a source about the Yugoslav historiography. This should be directly supported by a source. StephenMacky1 ( talk) 11:06, 21 January 2023 (UTC)