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It is an sensationalist documentary with an agenda full of "secret" stuff. Wikipedia article should not be based on it. Back it up with another source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.136.121.136 ( talk) 23:48, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
The sentence in the text reads: "After Layforce (and No.8 Commando) were disbanded on 1 August 1941, Stirling remained convinced that due to the mechanised nature of war a small team of highly trained soldiers with the advantage of surprise could exact greater damage to the enemy's ability to fight than an entire platoon." Just a platoon?
"His name has sometimes been mentioned in connection with the alleged attempts to undermine the Labour government in the mid-1970s, and possibly even topple it by a military coup."
The article has been changed to say he was captured by the Germans. I had thought it was the Italians but I can't find my copy of his biography at the moment. Does anyone know who it was? Cjrother 22:03, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
"Doune in the district of Stirling" isn't really true. Firsly, in 1915 it was Stirlingshire; that's not nit-picking, as Stirling (district) is a vast modern thing that has very little in common with old Stirlingshire. But worse, I don't believe Doune (or Park of Kier, really) was in Stirlingshire then (they wobbled the boundary around a bit, which doesn't help). I've yet to find a really good map of Stirlingshire, but this would have Doune (which is NW of Bridge of Allan) well inside Perthshire. Saying " Doune near Stirling" would be accurate and avoids the issue of the location of the Stirlingshire-Perthshire border. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 16:58, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
He was made OBE and that doesn't allow him the prefix Sir.
Maybe he was knighted in some other order and it's not shown in the article?
Brett Cupitt: Didn't David Stirling pioneer mounting large machine guns (Vickers?) on jeeps which would speed between the aircraft on enemy airfields destroying them all on the ground? I understood this is what he was best known for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.82.155 ( talk) 19:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
The article on the Gideon Force states "The Gideon Force was officially disbanded June 1, 1941. Wingate returned to Egypt".
Col David Stirling founder of the SAS was in Cairo at that time. I wonder if he and Orde Wingate ever meet in Cairo and if Wingate passed on his ideas about special forces and guerrilla warfare to Stirling who later formed the SAS ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.165.20 ( talk) 08:26, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
many people have a go at mountains. FEW found the SAS. this is the only thing for which his name ever registers on my radar....why is this his third achievement in the opening statement? it seems to me that merely training to climb everest before WW2 pales into insignificance compared to what he did later. I would've changed the order but thought there may be an underlying reason behind this already discussed. please advise if there is such an issue otherwise i will switch it around in order of importance. Rayman60 ( talk) 03:04, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
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Not worthy of comment in the main article, but perhaps of interest to a passing researcher, might an entry in the wine cellar list of Brooks’s club. A 1948 list includes 57 bottles of Warre 1922, marked at 30/- (=£1½, per bottle), from “Col. Stirling” (perhaps this Colonel Sir Archibald David Stirling). Indeed, the same page of the cellar book mentions Dow 1927 purchased from the wine importers Twiss Browning, the son of one of its partners having served in the SOE. (My picture #5553.) JDAWiseman ( talk) 14:11, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Connected to my post about David Stirling's alleged gambling losses, it's very possible the wine cellar entry may refer to Colonel William Stirling (David's Brother), a well-known member of the London 'club set'. Just surmising. Bluebadge1 ( talk) 15:25, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
"That year, following gambling losses he was obliged to note John Aspinall - I owe you £173,500 in the accountant's ledger. One night in 1967, he lost a further £150,000." This story, which has featured in several books and documentaries, actually refers to David's brother William, The infamous 'note' in the ledger, is visibly signed by William Stirling who was a member of Aspinall's club. Bluebadge1 ( talk) 15:14, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
The description of his jeep based raids makes it sound like they were all successful. For balance, perhaps the article should mention his failed raids on Benghazi and Benina. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.137.134.50 ( talk) 15:08, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle-2-15039/plaques-stolen-from-sas-founder-s-doune-memorial-1-3432975 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-27716544 TLDR plaques where stolen from his memorial, Someone should probably make an update on it. I live in scotland and can tell you that stirlingshire and perthshire are very different on different maps, there is no clear cut boundary, it is in both stirlingshire and perthshire. -- 2A00:23C5:E41E:1200:D9DE:B153:CEF8:34B5 ( talk) 20:16, 24 September 2019 (UTC)Someone
The article related to David Stirling will be created on the Wikipedia in Spanish, so with the permission of the people who contributed to the creation of this article, it will be taken to translate it. InSyzygyLion15 ( talk) 0:07, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
‘relieved a NZ camp of its equipment’. The WWII services euphemism for this was ‘liberation’.
Liebling, as a war correspondent, was present when three surviving members of the SAS limped in to Gafsa in 1943, having been ambushed in a wadi by German troops tipped off by Arabs. They kept asking if ‘Big Dave’ had been captured. They described their operations in detail, partly to establish their bona fides. See Mollie and Other War Pieces’’
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It is an sensationalist documentary with an agenda full of "secret" stuff. Wikipedia article should not be based on it. Back it up with another source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.136.121.136 ( talk) 23:48, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
The sentence in the text reads: "After Layforce (and No.8 Commando) were disbanded on 1 August 1941, Stirling remained convinced that due to the mechanised nature of war a small team of highly trained soldiers with the advantage of surprise could exact greater damage to the enemy's ability to fight than an entire platoon." Just a platoon?
"His name has sometimes been mentioned in connection with the alleged attempts to undermine the Labour government in the mid-1970s, and possibly even topple it by a military coup."
The article has been changed to say he was captured by the Germans. I had thought it was the Italians but I can't find my copy of his biography at the moment. Does anyone know who it was? Cjrother 22:03, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
"Doune in the district of Stirling" isn't really true. Firsly, in 1915 it was Stirlingshire; that's not nit-picking, as Stirling (district) is a vast modern thing that has very little in common with old Stirlingshire. But worse, I don't believe Doune (or Park of Kier, really) was in Stirlingshire then (they wobbled the boundary around a bit, which doesn't help). I've yet to find a really good map of Stirlingshire, but this would have Doune (which is NW of Bridge of Allan) well inside Perthshire. Saying " Doune near Stirling" would be accurate and avoids the issue of the location of the Stirlingshire-Perthshire border. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 16:58, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
He was made OBE and that doesn't allow him the prefix Sir.
Maybe he was knighted in some other order and it's not shown in the article?
Brett Cupitt: Didn't David Stirling pioneer mounting large machine guns (Vickers?) on jeeps which would speed between the aircraft on enemy airfields destroying them all on the ground? I understood this is what he was best known for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.82.155 ( talk) 19:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
The article on the Gideon Force states "The Gideon Force was officially disbanded June 1, 1941. Wingate returned to Egypt".
Col David Stirling founder of the SAS was in Cairo at that time. I wonder if he and Orde Wingate ever meet in Cairo and if Wingate passed on his ideas about special forces and guerrilla warfare to Stirling who later formed the SAS ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.165.20 ( talk) 08:26, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
many people have a go at mountains. FEW found the SAS. this is the only thing for which his name ever registers on my radar....why is this his third achievement in the opening statement? it seems to me that merely training to climb everest before WW2 pales into insignificance compared to what he did later. I would've changed the order but thought there may be an underlying reason behind this already discussed. please advise if there is such an issue otherwise i will switch it around in order of importance. Rayman60 ( talk) 03:04, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 14:09, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Not worthy of comment in the main article, but perhaps of interest to a passing researcher, might an entry in the wine cellar list of Brooks’s club. A 1948 list includes 57 bottles of Warre 1922, marked at 30/- (=£1½, per bottle), from “Col. Stirling” (perhaps this Colonel Sir Archibald David Stirling). Indeed, the same page of the cellar book mentions Dow 1927 purchased from the wine importers Twiss Browning, the son of one of its partners having served in the SOE. (My picture #5553.) JDAWiseman ( talk) 14:11, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Connected to my post about David Stirling's alleged gambling losses, it's very possible the wine cellar entry may refer to Colonel William Stirling (David's Brother), a well-known member of the London 'club set'. Just surmising. Bluebadge1 ( talk) 15:25, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
"That year, following gambling losses he was obliged to note John Aspinall - I owe you £173,500 in the accountant's ledger. One night in 1967, he lost a further £150,000." This story, which has featured in several books and documentaries, actually refers to David's brother William, The infamous 'note' in the ledger, is visibly signed by William Stirling who was a member of Aspinall's club. Bluebadge1 ( talk) 15:14, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
The description of his jeep based raids makes it sound like they were all successful. For balance, perhaps the article should mention his failed raids on Benghazi and Benina. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.137.134.50 ( talk) 15:08, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle-2-15039/plaques-stolen-from-sas-founder-s-doune-memorial-1-3432975 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-27716544 TLDR plaques where stolen from his memorial, Someone should probably make an update on it. I live in scotland and can tell you that stirlingshire and perthshire are very different on different maps, there is no clear cut boundary, it is in both stirlingshire and perthshire. -- 2A00:23C5:E41E:1200:D9DE:B153:CEF8:34B5 ( talk) 20:16, 24 September 2019 (UTC)Someone
The article related to David Stirling will be created on the Wikipedia in Spanish, so with the permission of the people who contributed to the creation of this article, it will be taken to translate it. InSyzygyLion15 ( talk) 0:07, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
‘relieved a NZ camp of its equipment’. The WWII services euphemism for this was ‘liberation’.
Liebling, as a war correspondent, was present when three surviving members of the SAS limped in to Gafsa in 1943, having been ambushed in a wadi by German troops tipped off by Arabs. They kept asking if ‘Big Dave’ had been captured. They described their operations in detail, partly to establish their bona fides. See Mollie and Other War Pieces’’