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Abaev's article on Soslan's origins (and the website hosting it in general) pretty clearly takes sides, so it is better to insert the link in the passage which deals with the controversy itself. Furthermore, the Tsarazon theory is already mentioned in the text, which intentionally follows the sources about David and theories about his origins in a chronological sequence to avoid giving one of them preference over others. Mentioning Tsarazon theory twice, plus within the lead sentence and adding the phrase "would have belonged" clearly gives preference to one of these theories. -- Kober Talk 15:30, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
For many years it was accepted without question that Tamar's descendants were male-line Bagratids because her consort David Soslan was alleged to be a Bagratid. Those myths were debunked decades ago and it's long since been clarified that we don't know his patriline or even precise kinship with Tamar. Wikipedia articles on the Bagrationi, like this one, have recently been seeing re-insertion of the myth back into documented history, ignoring the lack of authoritative sources and ignoring or soft-peddling the now prevalent doubt that Soslan's male-line ancestry can be traced to the Bagrationi dynasty. It is worse than a grave disservice to Wikipedia, its readership and the dynasty itself to revive this speculation (which is often also used to buttress the claim that the Bagrationi are the "oldest" dynasty in Europe, ignoring the lineages of both the Capetian dynasty and the Irish royal families). Strong, reputable, unambiguous sources are needed to make any assertions about David Soslan's ancestry, and authors who challenge his Bagratid origin must be given due prominence alongside other theories. FactStraight ( talk) 07:30, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
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Abaev's article on Soslan's origins (and the website hosting it in general) pretty clearly takes sides, so it is better to insert the link in the passage which deals with the controversy itself. Furthermore, the Tsarazon theory is already mentioned in the text, which intentionally follows the sources about David and theories about his origins in a chronological sequence to avoid giving one of them preference over others. Mentioning Tsarazon theory twice, plus within the lead sentence and adding the phrase "would have belonged" clearly gives preference to one of these theories. -- Kober Talk 15:30, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
For many years it was accepted without question that Tamar's descendants were male-line Bagratids because her consort David Soslan was alleged to be a Bagratid. Those myths were debunked decades ago and it's long since been clarified that we don't know his patriline or even precise kinship with Tamar. Wikipedia articles on the Bagrationi, like this one, have recently been seeing re-insertion of the myth back into documented history, ignoring the lack of authoritative sources and ignoring or soft-peddling the now prevalent doubt that Soslan's male-line ancestry can be traced to the Bagrationi dynasty. It is worse than a grave disservice to Wikipedia, its readership and the dynasty itself to revive this speculation (which is often also used to buttress the claim that the Bagrationi are the "oldest" dynasty in Europe, ignoring the lineages of both the Capetian dynasty and the Irish royal families). Strong, reputable, unambiguous sources are needed to make any assertions about David Soslan's ancestry, and authors who challenge his Bagratid origin must be given due prominence alongside other theories. FactStraight ( talk) 07:30, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
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