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I don't have the knowledge to actually answer this, but it seems that he would not have LASTLY taken company command in 1988 and yet had a PhD, a West Point Honors graduation, an aide-de-camp citation, a military assistanship to a 4-star general, and become an assistant executive officer...all before commanding a single company. and then become eventually a 4-star general himself. 98.228.57.116 ( talk) 22:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)whay912
Stupid question, but is it notable enough that he flipped the coin for the Superbowl? If so, would it go in the section about CENTCOM? There's nothing in that section except that he took over there. Atlantabravz ( talk) 03:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
I've archived the user talk from this page. It was originally 227KB in size. - JE ( Let's talk) ( My contribs) 06:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
When names are unusual I would like to see the name spelled out phonetically. Sounding this name out I would say it Pe tray e us . . . is this correct? snodinn ( talk) 18:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Can a user with editorial powers take out the US CENTCOM Badge from his list of badges? Such a decoration does not exist. See AR 600-8-22 Awards and Decorations if further clarification is needed. I'm not 100% on it, but I THINK that badge is intended to represent his SSI-FWS (Shoulder sleeve insignia-former wartime service) (aka, combat patch) which is worn on the breast pocket of the new blue Class A's (which he is NOT wearing BTW)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.192.0.4 ( talk) 22:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Can someone change the current structure of Petraeus's Badges to the structure adopted in Carwright's article. I would love to do it myself but i am not familiar with the topic. -- 192.8.222.82 ( talk) 05:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
French Legion of Honor is a military decoration too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.151.203.236 ( talk) 22:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
More importantly, does anyone know why Petraeus has a bronze star for valor when he's only been under enemy fire once, and apparently took cover? hardly above and beyond the call of duty. Did he single-handedly subdue a requisition form or something? - RayBarker ( talk) 19:13, 9 January 2010 (UTC) Ray, acting like a stupid little angry bitter child idiot is against Wikilaw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.155.39 ( talk) 00:12, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
That was a couple of years ago now so I'd like to review this semiprotection to see if it's still required. As well as welcoming opinions from regular editors, I've contacted the protecting admin, Jreferee ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), although he seems to have informally retired from Wikipedia in 2007.
-- TS 01:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
The article currently has Petraeus in the category Category:Republicans (United States). Is it a verifiable fact that he has, or has had, membership in the Republican Party? It was my understanding that senior military figures are not to involve themselves politically; I know this prohibits making endorsements though I don't know whether it prohibits their publishing their personal political affiliation.
I'm asking because of all the talk, including in United States presidential election, 2012, of Petraeus being the Republican presidential nominee. -- Saforrest ( talk) 05:23, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Test 1
Test 2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.82.51.36 ( talk) 03:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
The article reads like a ' Who's Who' published by a military PR agency. I don't know much about Petraeus, but I didn't get to know much more either by getting to this article. The article appears to be a piece of unrestrained adoration, a long list rattling off all his awards, decoration and virtues. It appears one of his admirors or PR assistants has copied the section Additional recognition of note and put it into the intro section too. These are quotes from the article (in small style as to not overwhealm the humble reader):
There are also some random quotes from magazines, put in a context as if they were some kind of award:
I see he has a lot of coloured metal pieces on his clothes, but is there really nothing else to tell about this man? With so many awards for being a great intellectual, he must have uttered some thoughts, analyses and ideas. If he has been mentioned as a possible POTUS candidate, where are his political opinions? Maybe the article could render some of these thoughts. As now, the only thoughts mentioned in the article are those of a military strategist and soldier. An encyclopedic article should mention who he is, what is his background, what are his work and contributions, and how is he perceived (including praise and critique). Awards and prizes should be mentioned, but are of little substance in themselves. -- Sasper ( talk) 01:06, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone with military experience besides me find it odd that he is taking on additional duties and/or a demotion at this point in his career? Lowellt ( talk) 18:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Involvement in Afghanistan
On June 23, 2010, Petraeus was announced to succeed General Stanley A. McChrystal as the Commander of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan. The change of command was prompted by McChrystal's comments about the administration during an interview with Rolling Stone magazine
The clarification should read
Involvement in Afghanistan On June 23, 2010, Petraeus was announced to succeed General Stanley A. McChrystal as the Commander of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan. The change of command was prompted by McChrystal's comments about the administration during an interview with Rolling Stone magazine. Petraeus was McChrystal's command superior so his new position is a demotion. Suggestions for Petraeus to retain the Central Command were rejected.
Source: http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/06/defense_petraeus062310w/
White House: Petraeus will shed CENTCOM post
By John T. Bennett - Staff writer Wednesday Jun 23, 2010 17:20:00 EDT
Army Gen. David Petraeus will give up his post as Central Command chief to take over for ousted Afghanistan commander Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the White House said June 23. That’s essentially a demotion for Petraeus, who as CENTCOM commander oversaw McChrystal.
“He’ll give up CENTCOM,” White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joebiteme ( talk • contribs) 22:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Why is there no reference to Time Magazine's controversial cover? If the right had done it to someone suspected of being leftist you can be sure it would be on Wikileftia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.155.39 ( talk) 00:09, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
{{editsemiprotected}} Please add the following book to the Further Reading section of this page: Robinson, Linda (2008). Tell Me How This Ends: General David Petraeus and the Search for a Way Out of Iraq. PublicAffairs. ISBN 978-1586487669.
JLeifer1 ( talk) 12:59, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
There should be some discussion of the fact that Petraeus was safe in West Point, while training for a military career, at the very height of the Vietnam War, the biggest war of his career. Millions of draftees, such as myself, who did not want military careers got the sort of firsthand experience in Vietnam which the kids in West Point did not get.
But the above is not a political statement at all. It is an issue which is at the very heart of what a service academy is and should be. It is also an issue which goes to the core questions of the modern military career path. Are leaders made in places such as West Point or are they forged on battlefields?
I was reading that Petraeus is on a reduced Calorie diet and only has one meal a day?! Is this true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.159.111.98 ( talk) 10:56, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Thankyou! That's the man I was thinking of... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.159.111.98 ( talk) 07:29, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
The Daily Telegraph says he's "second most influential American conservative", which means that either:
GregorB ( talk) 22:11, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
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==Additional recognition of note==
Petraeus has garnered numerous accolades in recent years. In 2010, he was named number 12 of 50 people who mattered in 2010 by the New Statesmen magazine, [1] was named a Top Global Thinker of 2010 by Foreign Policy mazine, received the American Enterprise Institute’s Irving Kristol Award, the Citadel Business School’s Leader of Principle Award, the AUSA Massachusetts Bay Area Chapter’s Person of the Year Award, HELP USA’s Award for Veterans, Princeton University’s James Madison Medal, the Lotos Club’s Award of Distinction and Medal of Merit, the Pilgrims of the United States’ Medallion for Service to the Nation, the Intrepid Sea, Air, and Space Museum's 2010 Intrepid Freedom Award, the Veterans of Foreign Wars Dwight D. Eisenhower Award, the American Political Science Association's Hubert H. Humphrey Award, and the USO Distinguished Service Award. Kimberlybrubeck ( talk) 16:04, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Have already updated this section in the article Sboylan ( talk) 20:31, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
RE: the suggestion that Wikileaks influenced Petraeus's August 10, 2010 Tactical Directive for prevention of civilian casualties:
In the "David Petraeus" article, the second paragraph under the heading "Commander of US and ISAF forces in Afghanistan" starts with this statement: "On August 1, 2010, shortly after the disclosure of the Afghan war logs on Wikileaks, Petraeus issued his updated Tactical Directive for the prevention of civilian casualties..." This suggests a cause-and-effect link between the Wikileaks disclosures and Petraeus's Tactical Directive.
Let's consider that question carefully. The Wikileaks war logs, according to a Wikipedia article called "Afghan war documents leak," were released on 25 July 2010. Was this release of primary influence in Petraeus's decision to tweak Afghan war policy on civilian casualties?
Just to confirm my own memory of how much the issue of civilian casualties was discussed in the media that summer, I ran a "Google Advanced News Archive Search" for the search terms "civilian casualties" and "Afghanistan," excluding articles containing the term "Wikileaks." In addition, I limited the search to articles only in English between June 23, 2010 (the day Obama nominated Petraeus to head coalition forces in Afghanistan) and July 25, 2010 (the day before the Wikileaks were published). In that 33 day period Google returned 148 news articles which fit that narrowly defined set of search terms. That's almost four and a half articles per day, in English alone.
And not only was the media as a whole focused on the issue, it appears Petraeus had been himself. On July 22, 2010, three days before the Wikileaks were released, a Wall Street Journal article by Julian E. Barnes states: "according to some senior military officials" Petraeus was "conducting a review of the war" because he was concerned with "flaws" in how the "effort... has been implemented." One such flaw, "the officials said," included running the war "at the expense of...protecting civilians." ... "Petraeus is expected to...retool the strategy...to include a greater focus on...how to make the Afghan people feel safe..."
Of course, the updated Tactical Directive sought to put war policy more fully in harmony with "Petraeus," as insiders apparently call the U.S. military's "Counterinsurgency Field Manual" that Petraeus himself edited, published for us civilians as "Counterinsurgency Handbook" under a 2007 copyright date by Skyhorse, years before the Wikileaks were leaked.
It states repeatedly that killing civilians will fuel an insurgency. For example: "Security force abuses [by coalition and/or host nation forces] and the social upheaval caused by collateral damage from combat can be major escalating factors for insurgencies." ... "An operation that kills five insurgents is counterproductive if collateral damage leads to the recruitment of fifty more insurgents." ... "[Apply] measured levels of force and apply that force precisely so...it accomplishes the mission without causing unnecessary loss of life or suffering."
Taking all this into consideration, I strongly urge Wikipedia to remove the phrase "shortly after the disclosure of the Afghan war logs on Wikileaks" from the article titled "David Petraeus." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsherring ( talk • contribs) 22:34, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Under the bold header "2000s" the following passage needs editing:
"On April 23, 2008, Secretary of Defense Gates announced that President Bush was nominating General Petraeus to command U.S. Central Command (USCENTCOM), headquartered in Tampa, Florida. The nomination required and received Senate confirmation.[42] He was confirmed by the Senate on June 30, 2010,[4] and took over command from temporary commander Lieutenant-General Sir Nick Parker on July 4, 2010.[5]" [bold emphasis added]
This passage makes it seems as if "Sir Nic Parker" was "temporary comander" of USCENTCOM, and that it took from April2008 to June 2010 for Gen. Petraeus to be confirmed as commander of CENTCOM.Clarification doesn't come until later in the article. I suggest the following edit:
"On April 23, 2008, Secretary of Defense Gates announced that President Bush was nominating General Petraeus to command U.S. Central Command (USCENTCOM), headquartered in Tampa, Florida. The nomination required and received Senate confirmation.[42] [In June of 2010 President Obama nominated him to replace General Stanley A. McChrystal as the Commander of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan. Gen. Petraeus] was confirmed by the Senate on June 30, 2010,[4] and took over command from temporary commander Lieutenant-General Sir Nick Parker on July 4, 2010.[5]"[bold text is proposed edit]
TonyAdragna ( talk) 03:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello,
can anyone add the Golden Cross of Merit of the Arma dei Carabinieri to the "Foreign military decorations" section?
This is the badge:
http://daubau.it/enciclopedia/File:MeritoCC1.png
Sources:
http://www.grr.rai.it/dl/grr/notizie/ContentItem-8a398165-29fc-45fc-8897-299253331f2c.html http://www.difesa.it/Il_Ministro/Eventi/Pagine/PetraeusRiceveCroceOro.aspx http://www.carabinieri.it/Internet/Cittadino/Informazioni/Eventi/2011/Giugno/20110609_Petraeus_Premiazione.htm
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.54.61.120 ( talk) 13:03, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
The end of the lede says he "intends to retire from the U.S. Army on August 31" but the begin says he is "a retired United States Army four-star general"? Which one is true?-- 115.74.79.65 ( talk) 01:59, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
First graf of "additional honors" section has some fantastic NPOV issues... I am reluctant to tackle them (with my gvt IP address), but they should be tackled. 132.3.29.68 ( talk) 17:15, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
The current article reads "On May 7, 2010, Petraeus announced that Times Square bombing suspect, Faisal Shahzad, is a "lone wolf" terrorist who did not work with others.[142] On May 10, 2010, Attorney General Eric Holder said that the evidence shows the Pakistani Taliban directed this plot.[143]". In Bob Woodward's "Obama's Wars" (Simon & Schuster 2010, pp 361-2), Woodward says "Petraeus had meant that he had not operated in the US with any assistance" - not that he had not been instructed and trained abroad, and that P's endeavour to clarify this issue was turned down by Denis McDonough: "McDonough had said to do nothing" (361 (chapter 31)).
88.91.84.136 ( talk) 22:40, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not registered with Wikipedia but I found a typo when perusing this article on Petraeus. It's under the "Retirement From Army" section: Petaeus retired from the U.S. Army on 31 August 2011. Petraeus' name is spelled wrong. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.122.200.39) ( talk • contribs) 17:50, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
http://www.army.mod.uk/training_education/training/17435.aspx
Phd8511 ( talk) 12:29, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
I can not change this due to the editing lock. In the info box on awards it is listed that 101st Airborne Division Insignia would be worn as his combat service identification badge. This is false. That particular item is a Distinctive Unit Insignia. It is worn on the right chest above the pocket or unit awards. The patch with the eagle above that is his combat service identification badge. That is the patch for the 101st ABN(Air Assault). That would be worn on the right hand pocket of the dress blues or on the right shoulder of the dress greens to identify combat service with that unit. 76.177.47.225 ( talk) 23:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
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This article is a very solid B-Class article. There is lots more to do. I am failing this at the current time. This is a free WP:PR for someone who really wants to make this a WP:GA.
A vote of 94-0 in the senate cannot be unanimous as the opinion of 6 senators is unknown. Is some members abstain from voting and some do not, that means the group is not of a whole opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.84.55 ( talk) 06:55, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
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184.78.81.245 ( talk) 14:32, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia MOS for biographies states that " Academic and professional titles (such as "Doctor" or "Professor") should not be used before (or after) the name in the initial sentence or in other uses of the person's name. Verifiable facts about how the person attained such titles should be included in the article text instead." " Professional titles" includes "General". Furthermore according to the NYT, Petraeus has dropped the title "General" in favor of "Mr." I therefore propose to delete it from the lede as a title. As an example, see Dwight D. Eisenhower. User:HopsonRoad 13:40, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
MSNBC is breaking that Petraeus has submitted his resignation as CIA chief due to an extra-marital affair. Should hit the web in a few minutes. - Dravecky ( talk) 19:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
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Dconst ( talk) 20:51, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
There's no need to have the word 'Former' in the infobox now that the resignation date is shown. Leon Panetta's infobox doesn't have the word 'Former' in it either. -- 89.27.36.41 ( talk) 01:37, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Although I am deeply sad to see the career destruction of the bright, forward-thinking, assiduous general, I think what's more important is to talk about the truth of some of his stories. He has reportedly told people that after his pelvis-breaking airborne jump injury, he performed 50 push-ups to prove to the doctor that he's fine.
The Washington Post's article today tells the details that weren't told by Petraeus:
I think the story in the 1990s section can be edited a little bit to complement this story, as he wasn't really lying but didn't tell details of the story.
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Is the line " Petraeus stated "Clearly, she (Broadwell) connived her way into my pants to destroy the good name of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency.” something Petraeus actually said? Or simply vandalism to this site? At a minimum it needs a citation (if accurate).
96.248.16.54 ( talk) 05:01, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
The purported quote that "Clearly, she (Broadwell) connived her way into my pants to destroy the good name of the Central Intelligence Agency" is a false quote lifted from a satire article found here: http://www.chronicle.su/news/paula-broadwell-all-in/ (Note the author is "Colonel Muammar Al-Gaddafi", etc. etc.) and should be removed immediately from General Petraeus' bio. Somebody with edit privileges should remove the quote this ASAP given the attention the article is receiving regarding this situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asi7777 ( talk • contribs) 05:51, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, most sources are not officially reporting that she was the woman involved, only that she is being investigated. I think this should be removed until there is a clear consensus. Otherwise it could be construed as a WP:BLP violation. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 06:15, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Why has all mention of the Move On ad known as " General Betray Us Controversy" been censored from the article? Especially when an entire article is devoted to the subject? 12.144.158.9 ( talk) 01:14, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Does anybody with actual military experience ever write this stuff on here?!?! He is not a "former" military officer. He IS a military officer... period. Until the day he dies. Unless he actively resigns his commission. Last I checked, Petraeus resigned from his post at CIA but he did NOT resign his commission . If you have never served in the United States Armed Forces, do us all a favor and do not post or comment on military matters on Wikipedia, because whoever wrote that obviously had no effing idea what he's talking about.
HINT: to be a "subject matter expert" you really should have some experience in the particular subject. Being really good at "Call of Duty" on your XBox does not count. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.241.154.190 ( talk) 16:23, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
well they said fired - "resigned" is a white lie.
i don't beleive it since when are military peoeple fired for sex if they were none would be working. oh for extra-marital? well that lewd and lecivious. if you know what that means it means he has more right to sue his employer for even mentioning it than right to be fired for it.
at any rate !! what a cock and bull story i don't beleive anything they say with their quadruple pay !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.81.201 ( talk) 10:16, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Anyone know if he practices any religion or if he was raised in one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.98.161 ( talk) 20:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Patreus resigned just before his testimony in Congress was due about the Bengazi embassy attacks. Sen. Feinstein wants to know why congress was not informed about his risky affair. Newsmax also says the resignation was delayed, and the info about the investigation from the FBI so that Obama would not be embarrassed before election day. Open for edit so that others may exchange contributions about these new developments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.209.141.3 ( talk) 06:25, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Here is a possible source on how the French reacted:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 16:07, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Does anybody know why DNI Clapper is called Petraeus' "nominal" superior in the section on the affair? According to law, the CIA director reports to the DNI. Does a source say the DNI is a nominal superior? Bob — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.169.89 ( talk) 04:01, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
The Eckerd College entry seems to be false. He was a commencement speaker for the 2010 graduating class, he was not awarded any honorary degrees. Eckerd College is undergraduate only so I'm not sure it can even grant honorary doctorates. 216.146.190.121 ( talk) 20:12, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
The article's source is talking of an M16 round. The author of "Increasing Small Arms Lethality in Afghanistan: Taking Back the Infantry Half-Kilometer", Major Thomas Ehrhart writes on page 33: "One notable incident occurred in 1991, when then Lieutenant Colonel David H. Petraeus was shot in the chest by an M855 round from an M249 squad automatic weapon." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.146.252.235 ( talk) 16:32, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
References
Thoughts? Where should this go? What more or less should be covered? -- Elvey ( talk) 21:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
The article contains ZERO on the simple fact that Petraeus was training to be a career soldier, but sat in the safety of West Point for 4 years as the biggest war of his lifetime was fought by draftees such as yours truly. How can this extremely important bit of context be utterly absent from the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.20.187 ( talk) 22:52, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Counter to what many may think or believe, those comments were refuted, etc.
This whole section is very slanted in Patraeus's favor. Plus, what has the tiny image of his plane on the ground in Prague have to do with anything? This entire article needs to be cleansed of bias and irrelevance. -- Michael K Smith Talk 14:49, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Also, this passage from 'Criticism after 2012 Scandal':
The citation for Petraeus's Bronze Star w/"V" device also notes his "leadership under fire", and the award of the Combat Action Badge reflects the same. However, no specific incidents of Petraeus's receiving fire are cited and the single incident described journalistically does not meet generally accepted definitions of "combat valor"
While I personally agree with this passage, I believe it is a very serious claim which should be backed up by a source. Myopia123 ( talk) 14:44, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
The "cite" template creates an authornames field, which is good for random citations where you have interspersed authors. It is not so good in this instance where you have one (primary) author named Petraeus. Other bib styles like Harvard notation use a long dash for repeated bib entries. In this case, for this subject, it is awkward repeatedly to note the author name, because it is understood that Petraeus is the author of 50+ works.
Does anyone know how to turn off the "author" field for the cite template?
66.185.213.219 ( talk) 21:00, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
"Petraeus has repeatedly stated that he has no plans to run for elected political office." My reasons are these:
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I don't have the knowledge to actually answer this, but it seems that he would not have LASTLY taken company command in 1988 and yet had a PhD, a West Point Honors graduation, an aide-de-camp citation, a military assistanship to a 4-star general, and become an assistant executive officer...all before commanding a single company. and then become eventually a 4-star general himself. 98.228.57.116 ( talk) 22:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)whay912
Stupid question, but is it notable enough that he flipped the coin for the Superbowl? If so, would it go in the section about CENTCOM? There's nothing in that section except that he took over there. Atlantabravz ( talk) 03:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
I've archived the user talk from this page. It was originally 227KB in size. - JE ( Let's talk) ( My contribs) 06:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
When names are unusual I would like to see the name spelled out phonetically. Sounding this name out I would say it Pe tray e us . . . is this correct? snodinn ( talk) 18:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Can a user with editorial powers take out the US CENTCOM Badge from his list of badges? Such a decoration does not exist. See AR 600-8-22 Awards and Decorations if further clarification is needed. I'm not 100% on it, but I THINK that badge is intended to represent his SSI-FWS (Shoulder sleeve insignia-former wartime service) (aka, combat patch) which is worn on the breast pocket of the new blue Class A's (which he is NOT wearing BTW)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.192.0.4 ( talk) 22:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Can someone change the current structure of Petraeus's Badges to the structure adopted in Carwright's article. I would love to do it myself but i am not familiar with the topic. -- 192.8.222.82 ( talk) 05:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
French Legion of Honor is a military decoration too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.151.203.236 ( talk) 22:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
More importantly, does anyone know why Petraeus has a bronze star for valor when he's only been under enemy fire once, and apparently took cover? hardly above and beyond the call of duty. Did he single-handedly subdue a requisition form or something? - RayBarker ( talk) 19:13, 9 January 2010 (UTC) Ray, acting like a stupid little angry bitter child idiot is against Wikilaw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.155.39 ( talk) 00:12, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
That was a couple of years ago now so I'd like to review this semiprotection to see if it's still required. As well as welcoming opinions from regular editors, I've contacted the protecting admin, Jreferee ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), although he seems to have informally retired from Wikipedia in 2007.
-- TS 01:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
The article currently has Petraeus in the category Category:Republicans (United States). Is it a verifiable fact that he has, or has had, membership in the Republican Party? It was my understanding that senior military figures are not to involve themselves politically; I know this prohibits making endorsements though I don't know whether it prohibits their publishing their personal political affiliation.
I'm asking because of all the talk, including in United States presidential election, 2012, of Petraeus being the Republican presidential nominee. -- Saforrest ( talk) 05:23, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Test 1
Test 2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.82.51.36 ( talk) 03:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
The article reads like a ' Who's Who' published by a military PR agency. I don't know much about Petraeus, but I didn't get to know much more either by getting to this article. The article appears to be a piece of unrestrained adoration, a long list rattling off all his awards, decoration and virtues. It appears one of his admirors or PR assistants has copied the section Additional recognition of note and put it into the intro section too. These are quotes from the article (in small style as to not overwhealm the humble reader):
There are also some random quotes from magazines, put in a context as if they were some kind of award:
I see he has a lot of coloured metal pieces on his clothes, but is there really nothing else to tell about this man? With so many awards for being a great intellectual, he must have uttered some thoughts, analyses and ideas. If he has been mentioned as a possible POTUS candidate, where are his political opinions? Maybe the article could render some of these thoughts. As now, the only thoughts mentioned in the article are those of a military strategist and soldier. An encyclopedic article should mention who he is, what is his background, what are his work and contributions, and how is he perceived (including praise and critique). Awards and prizes should be mentioned, but are of little substance in themselves. -- Sasper ( talk) 01:06, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone with military experience besides me find it odd that he is taking on additional duties and/or a demotion at this point in his career? Lowellt ( talk) 18:45, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Involvement in Afghanistan
On June 23, 2010, Petraeus was announced to succeed General Stanley A. McChrystal as the Commander of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan. The change of command was prompted by McChrystal's comments about the administration during an interview with Rolling Stone magazine
The clarification should read
Involvement in Afghanistan On June 23, 2010, Petraeus was announced to succeed General Stanley A. McChrystal as the Commander of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan. The change of command was prompted by McChrystal's comments about the administration during an interview with Rolling Stone magazine. Petraeus was McChrystal's command superior so his new position is a demotion. Suggestions for Petraeus to retain the Central Command were rejected.
Source: http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/06/defense_petraeus062310w/
White House: Petraeus will shed CENTCOM post
By John T. Bennett - Staff writer Wednesday Jun 23, 2010 17:20:00 EDT
Army Gen. David Petraeus will give up his post as Central Command chief to take over for ousted Afghanistan commander Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the White House said June 23. That’s essentially a demotion for Petraeus, who as CENTCOM commander oversaw McChrystal.
“He’ll give up CENTCOM,” White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joebiteme ( talk • contribs) 22:16, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Why is there no reference to Time Magazine's controversial cover? If the right had done it to someone suspected of being leftist you can be sure it would be on Wikileftia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.155.39 ( talk) 00:09, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
{{editsemiprotected}} Please add the following book to the Further Reading section of this page: Robinson, Linda (2008). Tell Me How This Ends: General David Petraeus and the Search for a Way Out of Iraq. PublicAffairs. ISBN 978-1586487669.
JLeifer1 ( talk) 12:59, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
There should be some discussion of the fact that Petraeus was safe in West Point, while training for a military career, at the very height of the Vietnam War, the biggest war of his career. Millions of draftees, such as myself, who did not want military careers got the sort of firsthand experience in Vietnam which the kids in West Point did not get.
But the above is not a political statement at all. It is an issue which is at the very heart of what a service academy is and should be. It is also an issue which goes to the core questions of the modern military career path. Are leaders made in places such as West Point or are they forged on battlefields?
I was reading that Petraeus is on a reduced Calorie diet and only has one meal a day?! Is this true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.159.111.98 ( talk) 10:56, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Thankyou! That's the man I was thinking of... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.159.111.98 ( talk) 07:29, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
The Daily Telegraph says he's "second most influential American conservative", which means that either:
GregorB ( talk) 22:11, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
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==Additional recognition of note==
Petraeus has garnered numerous accolades in recent years. In 2010, he was named number 12 of 50 people who mattered in 2010 by the New Statesmen magazine, [1] was named a Top Global Thinker of 2010 by Foreign Policy mazine, received the American Enterprise Institute’s Irving Kristol Award, the Citadel Business School’s Leader of Principle Award, the AUSA Massachusetts Bay Area Chapter’s Person of the Year Award, HELP USA’s Award for Veterans, Princeton University’s James Madison Medal, the Lotos Club’s Award of Distinction and Medal of Merit, the Pilgrims of the United States’ Medallion for Service to the Nation, the Intrepid Sea, Air, and Space Museum's 2010 Intrepid Freedom Award, the Veterans of Foreign Wars Dwight D. Eisenhower Award, the American Political Science Association's Hubert H. Humphrey Award, and the USO Distinguished Service Award. Kimberlybrubeck ( talk) 16:04, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Have already updated this section in the article Sboylan ( talk) 20:31, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
RE: the suggestion that Wikileaks influenced Petraeus's August 10, 2010 Tactical Directive for prevention of civilian casualties:
In the "David Petraeus" article, the second paragraph under the heading "Commander of US and ISAF forces in Afghanistan" starts with this statement: "On August 1, 2010, shortly after the disclosure of the Afghan war logs on Wikileaks, Petraeus issued his updated Tactical Directive for the prevention of civilian casualties..." This suggests a cause-and-effect link between the Wikileaks disclosures and Petraeus's Tactical Directive.
Let's consider that question carefully. The Wikileaks war logs, according to a Wikipedia article called "Afghan war documents leak," were released on 25 July 2010. Was this release of primary influence in Petraeus's decision to tweak Afghan war policy on civilian casualties?
Just to confirm my own memory of how much the issue of civilian casualties was discussed in the media that summer, I ran a "Google Advanced News Archive Search" for the search terms "civilian casualties" and "Afghanistan," excluding articles containing the term "Wikileaks." In addition, I limited the search to articles only in English between June 23, 2010 (the day Obama nominated Petraeus to head coalition forces in Afghanistan) and July 25, 2010 (the day before the Wikileaks were published). In that 33 day period Google returned 148 news articles which fit that narrowly defined set of search terms. That's almost four and a half articles per day, in English alone.
And not only was the media as a whole focused on the issue, it appears Petraeus had been himself. On July 22, 2010, three days before the Wikileaks were released, a Wall Street Journal article by Julian E. Barnes states: "according to some senior military officials" Petraeus was "conducting a review of the war" because he was concerned with "flaws" in how the "effort... has been implemented." One such flaw, "the officials said," included running the war "at the expense of...protecting civilians." ... "Petraeus is expected to...retool the strategy...to include a greater focus on...how to make the Afghan people feel safe..."
Of course, the updated Tactical Directive sought to put war policy more fully in harmony with "Petraeus," as insiders apparently call the U.S. military's "Counterinsurgency Field Manual" that Petraeus himself edited, published for us civilians as "Counterinsurgency Handbook" under a 2007 copyright date by Skyhorse, years before the Wikileaks were leaked.
It states repeatedly that killing civilians will fuel an insurgency. For example: "Security force abuses [by coalition and/or host nation forces] and the social upheaval caused by collateral damage from combat can be major escalating factors for insurgencies." ... "An operation that kills five insurgents is counterproductive if collateral damage leads to the recruitment of fifty more insurgents." ... "[Apply] measured levels of force and apply that force precisely so...it accomplishes the mission without causing unnecessary loss of life or suffering."
Taking all this into consideration, I strongly urge Wikipedia to remove the phrase "shortly after the disclosure of the Afghan war logs on Wikileaks" from the article titled "David Petraeus." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsherring ( talk • contribs) 22:34, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Under the bold header "2000s" the following passage needs editing:
"On April 23, 2008, Secretary of Defense Gates announced that President Bush was nominating General Petraeus to command U.S. Central Command (USCENTCOM), headquartered in Tampa, Florida. The nomination required and received Senate confirmation.[42] He was confirmed by the Senate on June 30, 2010,[4] and took over command from temporary commander Lieutenant-General Sir Nick Parker on July 4, 2010.[5]" [bold emphasis added]
This passage makes it seems as if "Sir Nic Parker" was "temporary comander" of USCENTCOM, and that it took from April2008 to June 2010 for Gen. Petraeus to be confirmed as commander of CENTCOM.Clarification doesn't come until later in the article. I suggest the following edit:
"On April 23, 2008, Secretary of Defense Gates announced that President Bush was nominating General Petraeus to command U.S. Central Command (USCENTCOM), headquartered in Tampa, Florida. The nomination required and received Senate confirmation.[42] [In June of 2010 President Obama nominated him to replace General Stanley A. McChrystal as the Commander of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan. Gen. Petraeus] was confirmed by the Senate on June 30, 2010,[4] and took over command from temporary commander Lieutenant-General Sir Nick Parker on July 4, 2010.[5]"[bold text is proposed edit]
TonyAdragna ( talk) 03:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello,
can anyone add the Golden Cross of Merit of the Arma dei Carabinieri to the "Foreign military decorations" section?
This is the badge:
http://daubau.it/enciclopedia/File:MeritoCC1.png
Sources:
http://www.grr.rai.it/dl/grr/notizie/ContentItem-8a398165-29fc-45fc-8897-299253331f2c.html http://www.difesa.it/Il_Ministro/Eventi/Pagine/PetraeusRiceveCroceOro.aspx http://www.carabinieri.it/Internet/Cittadino/Informazioni/Eventi/2011/Giugno/20110609_Petraeus_Premiazione.htm
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.54.61.120 ( talk) 13:03, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
The end of the lede says he "intends to retire from the U.S. Army on August 31" but the begin says he is "a retired United States Army four-star general"? Which one is true?-- 115.74.79.65 ( talk) 01:59, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
First graf of "additional honors" section has some fantastic NPOV issues... I am reluctant to tackle them (with my gvt IP address), but they should be tackled. 132.3.29.68 ( talk) 17:15, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
The current article reads "On May 7, 2010, Petraeus announced that Times Square bombing suspect, Faisal Shahzad, is a "lone wolf" terrorist who did not work with others.[142] On May 10, 2010, Attorney General Eric Holder said that the evidence shows the Pakistani Taliban directed this plot.[143]". In Bob Woodward's "Obama's Wars" (Simon & Schuster 2010, pp 361-2), Woodward says "Petraeus had meant that he had not operated in the US with any assistance" - not that he had not been instructed and trained abroad, and that P's endeavour to clarify this issue was turned down by Denis McDonough: "McDonough had said to do nothing" (361 (chapter 31)).
88.91.84.136 ( talk) 22:40, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not registered with Wikipedia but I found a typo when perusing this article on Petraeus. It's under the "Retirement From Army" section: Petaeus retired from the U.S. Army on 31 August 2011. Petraeus' name is spelled wrong. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.122.200.39) ( talk • contribs) 17:50, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
http://www.army.mod.uk/training_education/training/17435.aspx
Phd8511 ( talk) 12:29, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
I can not change this due to the editing lock. In the info box on awards it is listed that 101st Airborne Division Insignia would be worn as his combat service identification badge. This is false. That particular item is a Distinctive Unit Insignia. It is worn on the right chest above the pocket or unit awards. The patch with the eagle above that is his combat service identification badge. That is the patch for the 101st ABN(Air Assault). That would be worn on the right hand pocket of the dress blues or on the right shoulder of the dress greens to identify combat service with that unit. 76.177.47.225 ( talk) 23:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
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This article is a very solid B-Class article. There is lots more to do. I am failing this at the current time. This is a free WP:PR for someone who really wants to make this a WP:GA.
A vote of 94-0 in the senate cannot be unanimous as the opinion of 6 senators is unknown. Is some members abstain from voting and some do not, that means the group is not of a whole opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.65.84.55 ( talk) 06:55, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
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184.78.81.245 ( talk) 14:32, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia MOS for biographies states that " Academic and professional titles (such as "Doctor" or "Professor") should not be used before (or after) the name in the initial sentence or in other uses of the person's name. Verifiable facts about how the person attained such titles should be included in the article text instead." " Professional titles" includes "General". Furthermore according to the NYT, Petraeus has dropped the title "General" in favor of "Mr." I therefore propose to delete it from the lede as a title. As an example, see Dwight D. Eisenhower. User:HopsonRoad 13:40, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
MSNBC is breaking that Petraeus has submitted his resignation as CIA chief due to an extra-marital affair. Should hit the web in a few minutes. - Dravecky ( talk) 19:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
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Dconst ( talk) 20:51, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
There's no need to have the word 'Former' in the infobox now that the resignation date is shown. Leon Panetta's infobox doesn't have the word 'Former' in it either. -- 89.27.36.41 ( talk) 01:37, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Although I am deeply sad to see the career destruction of the bright, forward-thinking, assiduous general, I think what's more important is to talk about the truth of some of his stories. He has reportedly told people that after his pelvis-breaking airborne jump injury, he performed 50 push-ups to prove to the doctor that he's fine.
The Washington Post's article today tells the details that weren't told by Petraeus:
I think the story in the 1990s section can be edited a little bit to complement this story, as he wasn't really lying but didn't tell details of the story.
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Is the line " Petraeus stated "Clearly, she (Broadwell) connived her way into my pants to destroy the good name of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency.” something Petraeus actually said? Or simply vandalism to this site? At a minimum it needs a citation (if accurate).
96.248.16.54 ( talk) 05:01, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
The purported quote that "Clearly, she (Broadwell) connived her way into my pants to destroy the good name of the Central Intelligence Agency" is a false quote lifted from a satire article found here: http://www.chronicle.su/news/paula-broadwell-all-in/ (Note the author is "Colonel Muammar Al-Gaddafi", etc. etc.) and should be removed immediately from General Petraeus' bio. Somebody with edit privileges should remove the quote this ASAP given the attention the article is receiving regarding this situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asi7777 ( talk • contribs) 05:51, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, most sources are not officially reporting that she was the woman involved, only that she is being investigated. I think this should be removed until there is a clear consensus. Otherwise it could be construed as a WP:BLP violation. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 06:15, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Why has all mention of the Move On ad known as " General Betray Us Controversy" been censored from the article? Especially when an entire article is devoted to the subject? 12.144.158.9 ( talk) 01:14, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Does anybody with actual military experience ever write this stuff on here?!?! He is not a "former" military officer. He IS a military officer... period. Until the day he dies. Unless he actively resigns his commission. Last I checked, Petraeus resigned from his post at CIA but he did NOT resign his commission . If you have never served in the United States Armed Forces, do us all a favor and do not post or comment on military matters on Wikipedia, because whoever wrote that obviously had no effing idea what he's talking about.
HINT: to be a "subject matter expert" you really should have some experience in the particular subject. Being really good at "Call of Duty" on your XBox does not count. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.241.154.190 ( talk) 16:23, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
well they said fired - "resigned" is a white lie.
i don't beleive it since when are military peoeple fired for sex if they were none would be working. oh for extra-marital? well that lewd and lecivious. if you know what that means it means he has more right to sue his employer for even mentioning it than right to be fired for it.
at any rate !! what a cock and bull story i don't beleive anything they say with their quadruple pay !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.81.201 ( talk) 10:16, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Anyone know if he practices any religion or if he was raised in one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.98.161 ( talk) 20:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Patreus resigned just before his testimony in Congress was due about the Bengazi embassy attacks. Sen. Feinstein wants to know why congress was not informed about his risky affair. Newsmax also says the resignation was delayed, and the info about the investigation from the FBI so that Obama would not be embarrassed before election day. Open for edit so that others may exchange contributions about these new developments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.209.141.3 ( talk) 06:25, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Here is a possible source on how the French reacted:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 16:07, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Does anybody know why DNI Clapper is called Petraeus' "nominal" superior in the section on the affair? According to law, the CIA director reports to the DNI. Does a source say the DNI is a nominal superior? Bob — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.169.89 ( talk) 04:01, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
The Eckerd College entry seems to be false. He was a commencement speaker for the 2010 graduating class, he was not awarded any honorary degrees. Eckerd College is undergraduate only so I'm not sure it can even grant honorary doctorates. 216.146.190.121 ( talk) 20:12, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
The article's source is talking of an M16 round. The author of "Increasing Small Arms Lethality in Afghanistan: Taking Back the Infantry Half-Kilometer", Major Thomas Ehrhart writes on page 33: "One notable incident occurred in 1991, when then Lieutenant Colonel David H. Petraeus was shot in the chest by an M855 round from an M249 squad automatic weapon." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.146.252.235 ( talk) 16:32, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
References
Thoughts? Where should this go? What more or less should be covered? -- Elvey ( talk) 21:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
The article contains ZERO on the simple fact that Petraeus was training to be a career soldier, but sat in the safety of West Point for 4 years as the biggest war of his lifetime was fought by draftees such as yours truly. How can this extremely important bit of context be utterly absent from the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.20.187 ( talk) 22:52, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Counter to what many may think or believe, those comments were refuted, etc.
This whole section is very slanted in Patraeus's favor. Plus, what has the tiny image of his plane on the ground in Prague have to do with anything? This entire article needs to be cleansed of bias and irrelevance. -- Michael K Smith Talk 14:49, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Also, this passage from 'Criticism after 2012 Scandal':
The citation for Petraeus's Bronze Star w/"V" device also notes his "leadership under fire", and the award of the Combat Action Badge reflects the same. However, no specific incidents of Petraeus's receiving fire are cited and the single incident described journalistically does not meet generally accepted definitions of "combat valor"
While I personally agree with this passage, I believe it is a very serious claim which should be backed up by a source. Myopia123 ( talk) 14:44, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
The "cite" template creates an authornames field, which is good for random citations where you have interspersed authors. It is not so good in this instance where you have one (primary) author named Petraeus. Other bib styles like Harvard notation use a long dash for repeated bib entries. In this case, for this subject, it is awkward repeatedly to note the author name, because it is understood that Petraeus is the author of 50+ works.
Does anyone know how to turn off the "author" field for the cite template?
66.185.213.219 ( talk) 21:00, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
"Petraeus has repeatedly stated that he has no plans to run for elected political office." My reasons are these:
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